Re[2]: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Krzysztof, Sunday, January 24, 2010, 9:27:06, you wrote: Yes, they are in thier place and have proper size. Just from TB! these folders are visible as empty (0 messages). Do you have fresh information in the thebat_Exceptions.log file? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
On 2010-01-24 (09:00), you wrote:
Do you have fresh information in the thebat_Exceptions.log file?
yes, I do:
http://born66.net/exlog.txt
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudłacik
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Re[2]: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Krzysztof, Saturday, January 23, 2010, 14:30:38, you wrote: This version lost all my plugins - AV avast and antispam - when I try to add antispam I got AV and TB! crashes. I think the problem is related to a faulty plugin. If a plugin gives an exception while loading, The Bat! removes all the plugins. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
4.2.23 MSI - again
Hello Tbbeta, I have updated thebat.exe to remove excessive exception logging and updated the MSI files again under same names. If you have installed an earlier 4-2-23 MSI file already, please uninstall it, otherwise you will gen an errror that another version of the product is already installed. www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-2-23.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-2-23.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2-23.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-2-23.msi -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Feli, Saturday, January 23, 2010, 13:24:18, you wrote: So I cannot confirm your observation for XP SP3. Perhaps it is W7 related? Windows Vista and later makes file virtualization for Program Files, that's why we've changed the default location where The Bat! keeps mail. In earlier versions of The Bat!, it kept the MAIL directory in Program Files\The Bat!, but now it keeps it in the %APPDATA% folder by default. It's better to avoid using virtulization (by not keeping the data in the Program Files) There are some articles where the users are experiencing difficulties with the virtualization: http://www.west-wind.com/Weblog/posts/5584.aspx http://www.cloudsofheaven.org/2008/01/vista_file_virtualization.html And here is a common case described in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927387 : Scenario 2: You cannot find the file or the folder that you just created When you use an application for which virtualization is enabled, you create data files in virtualizable locations of the file system. When you use another application or Windows Explorer to access these newly created files, you cannot find them. For example, if you save a file in a photo editing application in the %programfiles%, %systemroot%, %systemdrive%, or %programdata% folders, you cannot locate this file. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
On 2010-01-24 (09:41), you wrote:
I think the problem is related to a faulty plugin. If a plugin gives an
exception while loading, The Bat! removes all the plugins.
What it means? Should we wait for new version of Avast plugin?
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudłacik
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Re[2]: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Krzysztof, Sunday, January 24, 2010, 11:22:15, you wrote: I think the problem is related to a faulty plugin. If a plugin gives an exception while loading, The Bat! removes all the plugins. What it means? Should we wait for new version of Avast plugin? I don't know. Could you please add plugins one by one. After adding each plugin, exit The Bat! and run it again. So you will be able to find a troublesome plugin. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello all, Sunday, January 24, 2010, Krzysztof Kudlacik wrote: On 2010-01-24 (09:41), you wrote: I think the problem is related to a faulty plugin. If a plugin gives an exception while loading, The Bat! removes all the plugins. What it means? Should we wait for new version of Avast plugin? did You installed Avast 5.0 already? I saw some user reports about problems with Outlook plugin too, seems like problems with 64bit OS... -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.23 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.2.7 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23.1
Up and running with this .exe version 4.2.23.1 alpha on my old notebook MS WinXP Home SP3. No problems with common folders, but I can not move in a folder that is in root. -- M. Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Maxim, I think the problem is related to a faulty plugin. If a plugin gives an exception while loading, The Bat! removes all the plugins. What it means? Should we wait for new version of Avast plugin? I don't know. Could you please add plugins one by one. After adding each plugin, exit The Bat! and run it again. So you will be able to find a troublesome plugin. You know that this is not the proper way to code a program, right? The correct way would be to show information messages for the user. The ... plugin is faulty, I remove all the plugins. Please fix the... plugin and... Not just removing the plugins. Whatever TB does, the user should be informed about it. And not in a .log file. But using information windows. Please realize at last that the users are users, not pc gurus. -- Vili The Bat 4.1.11.13 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI - again
Hello Maxim, Sunday, January 24, 2010, 3:52:00 AM, you wrote: I have updated thebat.exe to remove excessive exception logging and updated the MSI files again under same names. If you have installed an earlier 4-2-23 MSI file already, please uninstall it, otherwise you will gen an errror that another version of the product is already installed. I followed this procedure and it work. I know have the current version of 4.2.23 MSI installed and running. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI - again
Hello Maxim, On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:52:00 +0200GMT Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM I have updated thebat.exe to remove excessive exception logging MM and updated the MSI files again under same names. If you have MM installed an earlier 4-2-23 MSI file already, please uninstall it, MM otherwise you will gen an errror that another version of the product is already installed. I followed the instruction and have it up running no problems so far -- Regards, Feli:de-bb: The Bat! 4.2.23 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 3 Warum fragen Hellseher nach Deinem Namen? Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Kertész, Sunday, January 24, 2010, 1:13:36 PM, you wrote: KV The correct way would be to show information messages for the user. -8---8- KV And not in a .log file. But using KV information windows. I would love that! So I am guided to a web page that says Unknown problem, or gives a multitude of possible causes, mostly not even closely related, and looks like the instruction leaflet of medicines in which the producing company, not mainly caring about instructing the user, tries to avoid any kind of liability they might incur. For short: the way Microsoft and most major software suppliers work... I have lost hours on those! Most of the time it is impossible to solve the problem with that kind of information and one finally gets helped by Googling for other users' solutions. Or do you really think a software developer should waste his time in cataloging every possible cause of anything that could cause the malfunctioning of his software, even the ones that are extern to that product? I suppose that is not exactly what you have in mind, do you? But then again, how should it be done? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.21.1 Alpha MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 4:21:45) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
On 2010-01-24 (11:27), you wrote:
did You installed Avast 5.0 already?
No, I use 4.8 Home Edt.
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudłacik
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Re: 4.2.23 MSI
On 2010-01-24 (11:20), you wrote:
What it means? Should we wait for new version of Avast plugin?
I don't know. Could you please add plugins one by one.
I can try, but unfortunately I don't know where Avast keeps DLL/bav file
responsible for mail check in The Bat!
Or maybe Avast in this case works only on listening to ports (25, 110
etc.) ... hm ...
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudłacik
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Re: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello all, Sunday, January 24, 2010, Krzysztof Kudlacik wrote: On 2010-01-24 (11:20), you wrote: What it means? Should we wait for new version of Avast plugin? I don't know. Could you please add plugins one by one. I can try, but unfortunately I don't know where Avast keeps DLL/bav file responsible for mail check in The Bat! Or maybe Avast in this case works only on listening to ports (25, 110 etc.) ... hm ... when I have tested Avast in the past, it was AvBatEx.bav file -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.23 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.2.7 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Kertész, Sunday, January 24, 2010, 14:13:36, you wrote: The correct way would be to show information messages for the user. The ... plugin is faulty, I remove all the plugins. Please fix the... plugin and... Thank you, we will do that. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Maxim, On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:41:35 +0200 GMT (24/Jan/10, 15:41 PM +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: This version lost all my plugins - AV avast and antispam - when I try to add antispam I got AV and TB! crashes. MM I think the problem is related to a faulty plugin. If a plugin MM gives an exception while loading, The Bat! removes all the plugins. Oh. Is this necessary? Would it be possible to just remove (or not load) the plugin that causes the problem? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.21.1 Alpha under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Thomas, Sunday, January 24, 2010, 17:34:52, you wrote: Oh. Is this necessary? Would it be possible to just remove (or not load) the plugin that causes the problem? No, it is hard to precisely determine which of the plugins causes problems. We have tried to just remove that plugin, but sometimes it removes an innocent plugin but not solves the problem. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Maxim, On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:01:10 +0200 GMT (24/Jan/10, 23:01 PM +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: Oh. Is this necessary? Would it be possible to just remove (or not load) the plugin that causes the problem? MM No, it is hard to precisely determine which of the plugins causes MM problems. We have tried to just remove that plugin, but sometimes MM it removes an innocent plugin but not solves the problem. I see. I don't know the details of the code, so I'll take your word for it. Thank you for answering, I was just curious. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.21.1 Alpha under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Thomas, Sunday, January 24, 2010, 18:16:01, you wrote: I see. I don't know the details of the code, so I'll take your word for it. Thank you for answering, I was just curious. Problem is that all plugins are working in a single space with The Bat! If a plugin harms something, the consequences may come later. A solution would be to isolate each plugin in a separate process and use interprocess communication like named pipes to exchange the data. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Mark, KV The correct way would be to show information messages for the user. -8---8- KV And not in a .log file. But using KV information windows. I would love that! So I am guided to a web page that says Unknown problem, or gives a multitude of possible causes, mostly not even closely related, and looks like the instruction leaflet of medicines in which the producing company, not mainly caring about instructing the user, tries to avoid any kind of liability they might incur. For short: the way Microsoft and most major software suppliers work... I have lost hours on those! Most of the time it is impossible to solve the problem with that kind of information and one finally gets helped by Googling for other users' solutions. Or do you really think a software developer should waste his time in cataloging every possible cause of anything that could cause the malfunctioning of his software, even the ones that are extern to that product? If you dont mind, I quote the quoted text in my email: I think the problem is related to a faulty plugin. If a plugin gives an exception while loading, The Bat! removes all the plugins. What it means? Should we wait for new version of Avast plugin? I don't know. Could you please add plugins one by one. After adding each plugin, exit The Bat! and run it again. So you will be able to find a troublesome plugin. So, if a plugin gives an exception, TB removes all the plugins. I think, TB should warn the user about it. Nothing to do with Microsoft. I suppose that is not exactly what you have in mind, do you? But then again, how should it be done? See above. Hope, it is clear now. -- Vili The Bat 4.1.11.13 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Maxim, The correct way would be to show information messages for the user. The ... plugin is faulty, I remove all the plugins. Please fix the... plugin and... Thank you, we will do that. Thanks. Let the user always know in plain English/Russian/whatever, what the problem is. You would not like if your car would give you a printed Exception log that your distributor is broken. -- Vili The Bat 4.1.11.13 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
Hello Kertész, Sunday, January 24, 2010, 7:52:17 PM, you wrote: KV See above. Hope, it is clear now. Yes it is! -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.21.1 Alpha MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 11:1:4) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.23 MSI
On 2010-01-24 (14:21), you wrote:
when I have tested Avast in the past, it was AvBatEx.bav file
no such file on my PC.
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudłacik
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Re: 4.2.23 MSI - again
domingo, 24 ene 2010 at 09:52, it seems you wrote: I have updated thebat.exe to remove excessive exception logging and updated the MSI files again under same names. If you have installed an earlier 4-2-23 MSI file already, please uninstall it, otherwise you will gen an errror that another version of the product is already installed. UR with OTFE Common folders and Virtual Folders seems ok. -- /\/ Using The Bat! 4.2.23 Professional / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.2.7 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Moderator of Spanish TBUDL Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 4.2.23.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
