Re: Macro %...LNAME cuts Last Name from address book
Gwen, > Hello tbbeta, > On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, at 10:13:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 16:13 where I > live) Gleason wrote: >> I confess my ignorance of what is acceptable in Germany. The point being >> that humans can look at >> von Zweig and know that von is part of the last name. Computers >> don't know that. Out of 7 billion >> people now with us, how many will have middle name von? or van? >> How can a computer tell the difference? >> What about Spaniards with 5 or 6 names any of which could possibly >> be van or von or de? Not that those names >> would have the same significance as von to a German. > If i enter "von Zwerg" in the field Last name it **is** the Lastname > to be used. > I mean, the address book is a database, no a guessing instrument for a > program which think users are dumb. > The computer does not have to guess what i could mean! > And trust me there is no computer rule (Regex) or mail RFC which > defines what a last name is made of. > I think the splitting to last word of data "Last name" in addressbook > is a bug. Or a bas feature. > All my templates trust on %XXLMName is the data from "Last Name" field > of adresses. > Currently the macro %XXLName is unusable in mail templates to some of > my customers. :( True, if the name is entered in your address book, TB does have a way to know. It is worth mentioning that such lookups are unreliable though. A difference of one letter in spelling or an extra space, etc can cause the lookup to fail, computers being endlessly dumb and insisting on doing exactly what we tell them. A human would know better. -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macro %...LNAME cuts Last Name from address book
Hello tbbeta, On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, at 10:13:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 16:13 where I live) Gleason wrote: > I confess my ignorance of what is acceptable in Germany. The point being > that humans can look at > von Zweig and know that von is part of the last name. Computers > don't know that. Out of 7 billion > people now with us, how many will have middle name von? or van? > How can a computer tell the difference? > What about Spaniards with 5 or 6 names any of which could possibly > be van or von or de? Not that those names > would have the same significance as von to a German. If i enter "von Zwerg" in the field Last name it **is** the Lastname to be used. I mean, the address book is a database, no a guessing instrument for a program which think users are dumb. The computer does not have to guess what i could mean! And trust me there is no computer rule (Regex) or mail RFC which defines what a last name is made of. I think the splitting to last word of data "Last name" in addressbook is a bug. Or a bas feature. All my templates trust on %XXLMName is the data from "Last Name" field of adresses. Currently the macro %XXLName is unusable in mail templates to some of my customers. :( -- Regards Gwen Using The Bat! Version 8.5.4 (32-bit) on Windows 10.0 (Build 17134 ) pgpNjgUueTDNr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macro %...LNAME cuts Last Name from address book
Gwen, > Hello tbbeta, > On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, at 09:05:57 [GMT -0400] (which was 15:05 where I > live) Gleason wrote: >>> The Last Name should be inserted completely as the 'von' belongs to the >>> 'Zwerg', that means the person is 'Mr. von Zwerg' and not 'Mr. Zwerg'. >> This would be a tough one, I bet. Germans aren't the only ones with two part >> last names. So what is the difference between a middle name and a last name >> prefix? >> It probably wouldn't be acceptable to hyphenate a German last name. Maybe >> run them together: >> vonZwerg? > The von is **not** a middle name, it is part the lastname. > Such construction like anglocentric countries does not exist in Germany. > No, run together in one word is not acceptable. I hope you was joking. I confess my ignorance of what is acceptable in Germany. The point being that humans can look at von Zweig and know that von is part of the last name. Computers don't know that. Out of 7 billion people now with us, how many will have middle name von? or van? How can a computer tell the difference? What about Spaniards with 5 or 6 names any of which could possibly be van or von or de? Not that those names would have the same significance as von to a German. -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macro %...LNAME cuts Last Name from address book
Hello tbbeta, On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, at 09:58:31 [GMT -0400] (which was 15:58 where I live) Gleason wrote: >> The Last Name should be inserted completely as the 'von' belongs to the >> 'Zwerg', that means the person is 'Mr. von Zwerg' and not 'Mr. Zwerg'. > And then what to do about van De Graff? Yes, same problem with macro. -- Regards Gwen Using The Bat! Version 8.5.4 (32-bit) on Windows 10.0 (Build 17134 ) pgpGn8eZoCFly.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macro %...LNAME cuts Last Name from address book
Hello tbbeta, On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, at 09:05:57 [GMT -0400] (which was 15:05 where I live) Gleason wrote: >> The Last Name should be inserted completely as the 'von' belongs to the >> 'Zwerg', that means the person is 'Mr. von Zwerg' and not 'Mr. Zwerg'. > This would be a tough one, I bet. Germans aren't the only ones with two part > last names. So what is the difference between a middle name and a last name > prefix? > It probably wouldn't be acceptable to hyphenate a German last name. Maybe run > them together: > vonZwerg? The von is **not** a middle name, it is part the lastname. Such construction like anglocentric countries does not exist in Germany. No, run together in one word is not acceptable. I hope you was joking. -- Regards Gwen Using The Bat! Version 8.5.4 (32-bit) on Windows 10.0 (Build 17134 ) pgperAVQHbyo9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macro %...LNAME cuts Last Name from address book
Gwen, > Hello Maxim and beta-list, > i use a address book with names f.ex. > First Name: Anton > Last Name: von Zwerg > E-mail address: a.zw...@er.de > My test template has: > ToFName "%TOFNAME" > ToMName "%TOMNAME" > ToLName "%TOLNAME" > ToName "%TONAME" > This results in: > ToFName "Anton" > ToMName "" > ToLName "Zwerg" > ToName "Anton von Zwerg" > The Last Name should be inserted completely as the 'von' belongs to the > 'Zwerg', that means the person is 'Mr. von Zwerg' and not 'Mr. Zwerg'. And then what to do about van De Graff? > @Maxim > This needs a fix; in Germany the von should not be cut from lastname > because thus may rwesult in incomplete mails! > Bug reported as: > https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1506 > Please check and confirm. -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macro %...LNAME cuts Last Name from address book
Gwen, > Hello Maxim and beta-list, > i use a address book with names f.ex. > First Name: Anton > Last Name: von Zwerg > E-mail address: a.zw...@er.de > My test template has: > ToFName "%TOFNAME" > ToMName "%TOMNAME" > ToLName "%TOLNAME" > ToName "%TONAME" > This results in: > ToFName "Anton" > ToMName "" > ToLName "Zwerg" > ToName "Anton von Zwerg" > The Last Name should be inserted completely as the 'von' belongs to the > 'Zwerg', that means the person is 'Mr. von Zwerg' and not 'Mr. Zwerg'. This would be a tough one, I bet. Germans aren't the only ones with two part last names. So what is the difference between a middle name and a last name prefix? It probably wouldn't be acceptable to hyphenate a German last name. Maybe run them together: vonZwerg? > @Maxim > This needs a fix; in Germany the von should not be cut from lastname > because thus may rwesult in incomplete mails! > Bug reported as: > https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1506 > Please check and confirm. -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager v.8.5.4.1
Hi Maxim, Up and running. No problems so far. John -- "Truth is what remains when all illusions have been stripped away." Suenteus Po Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Macro %...LNAME cuts Last Name from address book
Hello Maxim and beta-list, i use a address book with names f.ex. First Name: Anton Last Name: von Zwerg E-mail address: a.zw...@er.de My test template has: ToFName "%TOFNAME" ToMName "%TOMNAME" ToLName "%TOLNAME" ToName "%TONAME" This results in: ToFName "Anton" ToMName "" ToLName "Zwerg" ToName "Anton von Zwerg" The Last Name should be inserted completely as the 'von' belongs to the 'Zwerg', that means the person is 'Mr. von Zwerg' and not 'Mr. Zwerg'. @Maxim This needs a fix; in Germany the von should not be cut from lastname because thus may rwesult in incomplete mails! Bug reported as: https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1506 Please check and confirm. -- Regards Gwen Using The Bat! Version 8.5.4 (32-bit) on Windows 10.0 (Build 17134 ) Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
