Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-24 Thread Jernej Simončič 
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 21:59:21, Marck Pearlstone wrote:

> The situation is that the processes are already under close scrutiny (using 
> System Explorer and procexp) and the sole TB process is hanging on startup 
> with no other TB processes in the system. ProcExp has shown none of the TB 
> process threads actually hung (as far as I can tell - I may be looking at the 
> wrong thing).

When The Bat hangs, does it use any CPU? In the Threads list, do any thready 
use CPU?

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-24 Thread Marck Pearlstone 

On 24/05/2023 20:50, Stuart Cuddy wrote:

Hello Marck,
Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 2:22:08 PM, you wrote:


Weird. If you download Process Explorer > 
, run it and The Bat, > double-click 
thebat.exe in Process Explorer and check the Threads tab > – it should show you where it 
hung.

It's not showing a hung thread, but the UI is drawn empty and frozen as shown 
in this screen shot.

If you run Ctrl-Alt-Delete is there still a process running. If so The Bat will 
not restart.


The situation is that the processes are already under close scrutiny 
(using System Explorer and procexp) and the sole TB process is hanging 
on startup with no other TB processes in the system. ProcExp has shown 
none of the TB process threads actually hung (as far as I can tell - I 
may be looking at the wrong thing).


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-24 Thread Stuart Cuddy 
Hello Marck,
Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 2:22:08 PM, you wrote:

>> Weird. If you download Process Explorer > 
>> , run it and The Bat, > 
>> double-click thebat.exe in Process Explorer and check the Threads tab > – it 
>> should show you where it hung. 
> It's not showing a hung thread, but the UI is drawn empty and frozen as shown 
> in this screen shot.

If you run Ctrl-Alt-Delete is there still a process running. If so The Bat will 
not restart.


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-24 Thread Marck Pearlstone 


On 24/05/2023 19:28, Jernej Simončič wrote:
Weird. If you download Process Explorer 
, run it and The Bat, 
double-click thebat.exe in Process Explorer and check the Threads tab 
– it should show you where it hung. 


It's not showing a hung thread, but the UI is drawn empty and frozen as 
shown in this screen shot.


Screenshot of hung TB


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-24 Thread Jernej Simončič 
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 20:22:36, Marck Pearlstone wrote:

> Sadly, prayers unanswered and stability not maintained. I just found TB 
> completely unresponsive in the tooltray, terminated, re-ran and I'm back to 
> locked out.

Weird. If you download Process Explorer 
, run it and The Bat, double-click 
thebat.exe in Process Explorer and check the Threads tab – it should show you 
where it hung.

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-24 Thread Marck Pearlstone 

On 23/05/2023 12:55, Jernej Simončič wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 12:38:49, Marck Pearlstone wrote:


Then I ran 10.3.3.16 and here I am again. I've taken the opportunity to toggle 
the option and will now pray for stability.

I hope it helps. 


Sadly, prayers unanswered and stability not maintained. I just found TB 
completely unresponsive in the tooltray, terminated, re-ran and I'm back 
to locked out.


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-24 Thread Marck Pearlstone 


On 23/05/2023 12:55, Jernej Simončič wrote:
Then I ran 10.3.3.16 and here I am again. I've taken the opportunity 
to toggle the option and will now pray for stability.

I hope it helps. 


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-23 Thread Георгий , Белрус 
>> Hello George, 
>>> AFAIR, running CEF in single kills showing attached documents inside TB! Am 
>>> I wrong? 

>> Not exactly, it affects PDF viewer (documents are still being rendered in 
>> the latest version, but functionality is reduced) and Web browser in RSS 
>> feeds (pages could be rendered incorrectly due to missing plugins that 
>> require multi-process mode).
>> Stefan Tanurkov

Thanks, I do use internal PDF viewer and have decades of PDF's inside letters 
in one day. Sorry, can't test 3-3-3-16 again because of that and revert to 
3-3-3 where it works fine. Wait new releases without that bug. 
  
And wait calendar fixes (see my previous letters about that). 
   

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-23 Thread Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA 



Hello George, 

AFAIR, running CEF in single kills showing attached documents inside TB! Am I wrong? 


Not exactly, it affects PDF viewer (documents are still being rendered in the latest version, but functionality is reduced) and Web browser in RSS feeds (pages could be rendered incorrectly due to missing plugins that require multi-process mode).


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-23 Thread Marck Pearlstone 

On 23 May 2023 at 15:02 Георгий, Белрус wrote and made these points

>>> Setting the single process option (and restarting TB) should work around 
>>> that.

GS> AFAIR, running CEF in single kills showing attached documents inside TB! Am 
I wrong? 

The switch says that it "could be unstable on some systems. No PDF viewer", but 
I can still select PDF and DocX tabs and view that attached document. So 
perhaps it's only on unstable systems that the PDF viewer fails.

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-23 Thread Георгий , Белрус 
Howdy!

> Вы писали 23 мая 2023 г., 15:44:45:
>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 13:57:11, Marck Pearlstone wrote:

  Preferences → General → Run CEF browser in single process 

>>> I have exactly the same issue with LibreOffice here.

>> Setting the single process option (and restarting TB) should work around 
>> that.

AFAIR, running CEF in single kills showing attached documents inside TB! Am I 
wrong? 


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-23 Thread Jernej Simončič 
On Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 13:57:11, Marck Pearlstone wrote:

> I have exactly the same issue with LibreOffice here.

Setting the single process option (and restarting TB) should work around that.

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-23 Thread Marck Pearlstone 

On 23 May 2023 at 12:55 Jernej Simončič wrote and made these points

>> Then I ran 10.3.3.16 and here I am again. I've taken the opportunity to 
>> toggle the option and will now pray for stability.

JS> I hope it helps. There is something weird with TB's CEF – unless I have 
that option enabled, certain programs (one of them is LibreOffice, another is a 
dictionary program that was last updated in 2002) freeze when I first run them, 
and I have to kill and restart the program before it'll finish loading. I'm not 
even sure how that happens, the programs do not interact in any way.

I have exactly the same issue with LibreOffice here.

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-23 Thread Jernej Simončič 
On Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 12:38:49, Marck Pearlstone wrote:

> Then I ran 10.3.3.16 and here I am again. I've taken the opportunity to 
> toggle the option and will now pray for stability.

I hope it helps. There is something weird with TB's CEF – unless I have that 
option enabled, certain programs (one of them is LibreOffice, another is a 
dictionary program that was last updated in 2002) freeze when I first run them, 
and I have to kill and restart the program before it'll finish loading. I'm not 
even sure how that happens, the programs do not interact in any way.

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-23 Thread Marck Pearlstone 

On 22 May 2023 at 14:59 Jernej Simončič wrote and made these points

JS> I've been thinking about this for the last several days – can you maybe run 
an older version of The Bat, and change the setting there, then update?

So - I installed 10.1, which didn't run, downloaded and installed the v103 CEF 
binaries, which also didn't help much.

Then I ran 10.3.3.16 and here I am again. I've taken the opportunity to toggle 
the option and will now pray for stability.

I think the installation here crumbled when I attempted to enable links to my 
Google Calendar.

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-22 Thread Jernej Simončič 
On Monday, May 22, 2023, 13:52:46, Marck Pearlstone wrote:

> (sent again because of white font used in reply - Thunderbird - sheesh).

I never even noticed with your previous message :)

I've been thinking about this for the last several days – can you maybe run an 
older version of The Bat, and change the setting there, then update?

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-22 Thread Marck Pearlstone 

On 19/05/2023 10:55, Jernej Simončič wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023, 10:07:12, Marck Pearlstone wrote:


I am completely locked out of TB. Every update that has come since 10.3.3.3 
runs for about 3 days but always grinds to a halt, has to be terminated with 
Taskman and it won't work again. It just hangs trying to draw the main window.

Does toggling Preferences → General → Run CEF browser in single process  make 
any difference?


Since I am locked out of the UI, I can't do this. Perhaps the next beta 
will let me run long enough to set that.


(sent again because of white font used in reply - Thunderbird - sheesh).

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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-19 Thread Marck Pearlstone 

Hi Jernej,

On 19/05/2023 10:55, Jernej Simončič wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023, 10:07:12, Marck Pearlstone wrote:


I am completely locked out of TB. Every update that has come since 10.3.3.3 
runs for about 3 days but always grinds to a halt, has to be terminated with 
Taskman and it won't work again. It just hangs trying to draw the main window.

Does toggling Preferences → General → Run CEF browser in single process  make 
any difference?

Since I am locked out of the UI, I can't do this. Perhaps the next beta 
will let me run long enough to set that.


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Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-19 Thread Jernej Simončič 
On Friday, May 19, 2023, 10:07:12, Marck Pearlstone wrote:

> I am completely locked out of TB. Every update that has come since 10.3.3.3 
> runs for about 3 days but always grinds to a halt, has to be terminated with 
> Taskman and it won't work again. It just hangs trying to draw the main window.

Does toggling Preferences → General → Run CEF browser in single process  make 
any difference?

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Re: Fwd: Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-19 Thread Георгий , Белрус 
Howdy!

> Вы писали 19 мая 2023 г., 11:07:12:

>> On 18/05/2023 09:58, Георгий, Белрус wrote:
>>>     [-] The "Access Violation" and "A component named FolderEditor
>>>     already exists" error messages on opening folder properties have
>>>     been fixed
>>> - I do have installed 3-3-3-16 two days already, it's better than > 
>>> previous. But I still have it access violation error many time in a day

>> I am completely locked out of TB. Every update that has come since 10.3.3.3 
>> runs for about 3 days but always grinds to a halt, has to be terminated with 
>> Taskman and it won't work again. It just hangs trying to draw the main 
>> window.

Today's access vioalation errors drive me nuts. I do again revert my TB! to 
v10-3-3-3

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Re: Fwd: Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-19 Thread Marck Pearlstone 


On 18/05/2023 09:58, Георгий, Белрус wrote:


[-] The "Access Violation" and "A component named FolderEditor
already exists" error messages on opening folder properties have
been fixed


- I do have installed 3-3-3-16 two days already, it's better than 
previous. But I still have it access violation error many time in a day




I am completely locked out of TB. Every update that has come since 
10.3.3.3 runs for about 3 days but always grinds to a halt, has to be 
terminated with Taskman and it won't work again. It just hangs trying to 
draw the main window.


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Re: Fwd: Re: 10.3.3.16 Access Violation

2023-05-18 Thread Георгий , Белрус 
Howdy!

Вы писали 16 мая 2023 г., 18:09:26:


Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 4:30:05 PM, you wrote:

> Hello,
> The Bat! v10.3.3.16 is with further improvements:
> Versions with the auto-update feature:
> 64-bit 
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/thebat_64_10-3-3-16.msi
> [-] The "Access Violation" and "A component named FolderEditor already 
> exists" error messages on opening folder properties have been fixed

- I do have installed 3-3-3-16 two days already, it's better than previous. But 
I still have it access violation error many time in a day


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