About Tags (II)
Hello all, I have been 'playing' a little more with Tags and, aside of what I already wrote in thread 'About Tags' starting with mid:1275517963.20120423111...@gmail.com, this is what I think about Tags. I'll try to be brief. Pros: - The *only* advantage of Tags over Colour Groups I see is the fact that *multiple tags* can be assigned to a message, while you can only assign *one* colour group. Cons (at least in current implementation: - There is no way of creating or defining Tags (i.e. a list of tags) without assigning them to a message (the current selected message) when first created (Added). It should be possible to create Tags similarly to Colour Groups, View Modes, etc., without the need of using or assigning them at 'creation time'. - As it has been reported by others and myself, many times defined Tags do not appear on the RMB or Messages/Tags menu. - It looks like selecting the option '(none)' in above mentioned menu, does nothing. - There is no way of deleting Tags from the existing list. You can remove them from a message (or messages) but not *delete* them from the existing list. In a message of the thread mentioned above I said I had found a way of deleting them. It works, but it has some 'buts' and 'ifs'. There is a file named 'TagStat.TXT' in MAIL directory that lists all Tags that have been defined or created. Each tag shows some long numbers that I assume somehow refer to the message(s) that have that tag assigned. If you exit TB and open that file with a text editor, you may delete a Tag (line) or all of them. Or, if you want to delete all tags, you may just delete the file. BUT, that deleting method only works IF: a) The tag(s) you are deleting is(are) not currently assigned to any message. b) The tag(s) you are deleting is(are) not currently being used in the filter of any VF. I have not tried with filters in S.O., but I expect the same. If a) or b) are not true for any tags, TB will make them appear again in TagStat.TXT file, even re-creating it if it had been deleted. I don't know if there are any plans for further development of this Tags feature but, for me, and sorry to say so, the current implementation is neither useful nor usable. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About Tags (II)
Hello MAU, - The *only* advantage of Tags over Colour Groups I see is the fact that *multiple tags* can be assigned to a message, while you can only assign *one* colour group. BTW, I forgot to mention that, years ago, I implemented something similar, of course for my own use, by entering some keywords in Memo Field. Of course, I had to remember the keywords (just a few) and type them every every time I wanted to 'assign' them to a message. This allowed me to see 'tagged' messages using VFs. And of course, the only way to unassign them was by opening the Memo field and deleting. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About 'Tags'
Hello Rick, OK, I have found a way of actually *deleting* tags. But it is a 'dirty trick' that I will not make public for the moment. I created a tag and it does not show in the tag list. I even restarted the Bat. It doesn't show from either the main nor the right click menu. There are certainly some issues with tag creation, selection, RMB menu, etc. One of these days I'll try to get some time and try to pinpoint what's happening and, if possible, why. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About 'Tags'
Hello MAU, 1.- It seems to me that 'Tags' are just the same than 'Colour Groups'. What is the big difference if any? 2.- For this playing I have created three Flags, but I can't find any way of deleting them. What am I missing? Doesn't anyone have any answer to these two questions? TIA. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About 'Tags'
Hello all, Monday, April 23, 2012, MAU wrote: 1.- It seems to me that 'Tags' are just the same than 'Colour Groups'. What is the big difference if any? You can have multiple tags assigned to one message and they are displayed in one column, colour group can be assigned one only and it changes text/background of row in messages pane 2.- For this playing I have created three Flags, but I can't find any way of deleting them. What am I missing? Message | Tags | More Tags, select that tag and hit Remove. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.1.2 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.3.1.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About 'Tags'
Hello Marek, 1.- It seems to me that 'Tags' are just the same than 'Colour Groups'. What is the big difference if any? You can have multiple tags assigned to one message and they are displayed in one column, colour group can be assigned one only and it changes text/background of row in messages pane Ah! I see. The difference then is possibility of *multiple* tags vs. only one colour group. Thank you. But I see another difference. Colour groups can also be displayed in a column (the name of the group) and you can Alt+click on a name (for a quick filter) to display only messages in that groups. However, unless I'm doing something wrong, Alt+click on a Tag doesn't seem to do anything. 2.- For this playing I have created three Flags, but I can't find any way of deleting them. What am I missing? Message | Tags | More Tags, select that tag and hit Remove. That removes the Tag from the selected message if it was assigned, but it does not *delete* the Tag itself. It remains as an 'Available tag'. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About 'Tags'
Hello MAU, That removes the Tag from the selected message if it was assigned, but it does not *delete* the Tag itself. It remains as an 'Available tag'. OK, I have found a way of actually *deleting* tags. But it is a 'dirty trick' that I will not make public for the moment. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About 'Tags'
Hello MAU, That removes the Tag from the selected message if it was assigned, but it does not *delete* the Tag itself. It remains as an 'Available tag'. OK, I have found a way of actually *deleting* tags. But it is a 'dirty trick' that I will not make public for the moment. I created a tag and it does not show in the tag list. I even restarted the Bat. It doesn't show from either the main nor the right click menu. -- Rick (The world is) a hallucinogenic, ever-shifting kaleidoscope made of awe and light and manufactured time. There is no battle. There is no good versus evil. There is only the flux and the pulse of existence, creation, expansion and contraction in an endless dance, signifying nothing, inventing everything. Mark Morford v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About 'Tags'
Hello Marek, 1.- It seems to me that 'Tags' are just the same than 'Colour Groups'. What is the big difference if any? You can have multiple tags assigned to one message and they are displayed in one column, colour group can be assigned one only and it changes text/background of row in messages pane My memory is getting worse and worse everyday but I just remembered that six years ago I suggested (asked for) something like in this list. I was able to find it in the archives. It is a thread with Subject: Have you ever missed the possibility of assigning more than 1 Colour Group? It is dated Sun, 22 Oct 2006 and, if you cared to take a look, it's here: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg81970.html So, we're getting there ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
About 'Tags'
Hello all, In some of my recent posts I have explained that I didn't participate in beta testing of v5 at all, and just lurked this list but not with much attention. So, now that I have started using v5.1 I have found a number of new features with respect to v4.2.44.2 that I was using until now. One of these new features is 'Tags'. I have been 'playing' with them and have a couple of questions: 1.- It seems to me that 'Tags' are just the same than 'Colour Groups'. What is the big difference if any? 2.- For this playing I have created three Flags, but I can't find any way of deleting them. What am I missing? TIA. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.0.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About 'Tags'
Hello MAU, ... I have created three Flags Tags, I meant to say Tags. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.0.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
