Re[3]: Config: Registry - File
jueves, 24 feb 2005 at 23:20, it seems you wrote:
If you will notice that The Bat! will loose simplicity to install it, just
let me know!
Windows programs prepared to run in multi-user environment should not
need to write in other folders different than DocumentSettings/User
because a simple user could not have the needed rights to write into
Program Files folder.
Another tip: Why you not allow to save into the backup file TB!
creates the registry keys it uses now?
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Re[2]: Config: Registry - File
viernes, 25 feb 2005 at 04:06, it seems you wrote:
2. samewise, each user should be able to configure TB! as if this user
were to be the single TB! user. This means that configuration data, be
it in the Registry or in an initialisation file, should also be stored
under the current user area (either HK_CurrentUser, or under 'My
Documents', for example). This means, for example, that one user can
use BayesIt! while another user, on the same box, can use Bayes
Filter.
I'm with you. But Ritlabs it's saying they don't want to use de
DocumentSettings folder.
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Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 10:05:13 PM, you wrote: MM I think that the path to the working directory should be the MM only value kept in the Registry. What do you think about it? Or: 1. If exists The Bat!\MAIL directory (old way, preferable for users which use TB from multiple machines) use this folder as working folder. 2. If not exists search for working folder in registry. Or you can swap 1 and 2 :-) -- Best regards, Prezes mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! v3.0.2.10, Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1 -- Smiechu warte... http://link.interia.pl/f185a Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Config: Registry - File
Hello Tbbeta, Currently, The Bat! keeps the following configuration data in the registry: - Window sizes, position, column widths - Directory names last used to save an attachment, import messages, etc. - Currently selected items, i.e. folder, message, etc. - Miscellaneous editor settings like AutoIndent, AutoWrap, Show ReplyTo, editor font, editor colours for selected text, quoted text, etc, - Various global preferences like Inform about birthdays, Use menu navigator, RAS settings like username and password, font of folders tree, etc. There is an imperative to store configuration data in a disk file rather than in the registry. However, there is no rationale to keep window sizes, position and column widths in files, it seems to me that Registry is the best place for this information. What kind of configuration data should we keep in registry and what should we put into a file? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Dear Maxim, @24-Feb-2005, 18:20 +0200 (24-Feb 16:20 UK time) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MM Currently, The Bat! keeps the following configuration data in the registry: MM - Window sizes, position, column widths MM - Directory names last used to save an attachment, import messages, etc. MM - Currently selected items, i.e. folder, message, etc. ... snip MM What kind of configuration data should we keep in registry MM and what should we put into a file? Here's how I see it ... Data pertinent only to the local system - window size / position data and disk folder usage are certainly right for registry storage. But data that pertains to a user's preferences should be more portable. Current selection data and switch settings are very much user dependant rather than environment based. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgp2zkd5PhiU9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello Maxim, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 9:20:52 AM, you wrote: M What kind of configuration data should we keep in registry and what M should we put into a file? Wow.. good question. I know you're selling voyager as a mobile product, but I'd really like to be able to take my TB installation with me on any format (CD, DVD, pendrive, removable hard drive etc), so what should be in an .ini file are the pieces necessary for me to be able to run TB directly from one of those mediums if I want to (i.e. packet writing to the CD or whatnot). It'd also be helpful where I might want to install the latest beta alongside my other version (I know you can do that now with a switch to use a specific registry key). One problem I ran into here was when I wanted to move my TB installation from a laptop on a domain to a laptop not on a domain I really, really had to work to get it up and running. I used to love the fact that I could just copy the files over and the registry key and it would just work once I ran the registry import on the key. Now with the profile stuff it makes it a bit more difficult. If I just had an .ini file I could just copy the TB directory and be totally done with it. The registry is fine for single point installations, but if you want to take your software with you, then it's a real bummer. Thanks. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Sometimes silence is not golden, it's yellow. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Config: Registry - File
Het was op donderdag 24 februari 2005 om 17:26 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Config: Registry - File' : Hallo Marck, MM What kind of configuration data should we keep in registry MM and what should we put into a file? MDP Here's how I see it ... MDP Data pertinent only to the local system - window size / position data MDP and disk folder usage are certainly right for registry storage. But MDP data that pertains to a user's preferences should be more portable. MDP Current selection data and switch settings are very much user MDP dependant rather than environment based. I feel that ALL userpreferences without exception, including folders created by the user, should be put into an ini-file. That would really save me a lot of work in the future. -- regards, Cees A pessimist is never disappointed. __ The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpEexI6UkTdD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
On Thursday, February 24, 2005, 17:26, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MM What kind of configuration data should we keep in registry and what MM should we put into a file? Here's how I see it ... Data pertinent only to the local system - window size / position data and disk folder usage are certainly right for registry storage. But data that pertains to a user's preferences should be more portable. Current selection data and switch settings are very much user dependant rather than environment based. I agree, but would like to add connection settings and servers to the list of data related to the local system. When going away, I usually copy my whole TB! directory to my laptop. I have intentionally set up my systems quite similar to ensure this is possible (same folder structure etc) and I must say this already works quite nice. There is a few annoyances though, one of them being that I every time have to change my SMTP server. I do not use the same server when travelling as I do at home, but the SMTP server setting seem to be stored somewhere in the files I copy. The only files I make sure are *not* copied are: \MAIL\Account.~flb \MAIL\Account.flb \MAIL\account name\Account.~flb \MAIL\account name\Account.flb \MAIL\except.log \MAIL\account name\Account.log The latter two are excluded by obvious reasons. The former four I don't remember why I exclude, but maybe it gives you some hints of which settings I don't want synchronized between my computers? Hope this helps. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Config: Registry - File
Hello Cees, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 18:53:07, you wrote: including folders created by the user, should be put into an ini-file. The user's folders aren't in the Registry. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello Maxim, On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:20:52 +0200 GMT (24/02/2005, 23:20 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM What kind of configuration data should we keep in registry MM and what should we put into a file? For portability, I always prefer .ini of .cfg files. I even prefer them to be ASCII files, so I can tweak them to my liking manually, if I am so inclined. I don't know whether that causes problems for shareware though, as it would probably make pirating easier. You (the developers) have to pay for your bowl of rice a day, too. So I think it's a business decision rather than a technical one. CMIIW. -- Cheers, Thomas. Du kannst dir auch eine Frikadelle ans Knie nageln und so lange drehen, bis UKW kommt. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
On Thursday, February 24, 2005, 18:03, Marcus Ohlström wrote: The only files I make sure are *not* copied are: \MAIL\Account.~flb \MAIL\Account.flb \MAIL\account name\Account.~flb \MAIL\account name\Account.flb \MAIL\except.log \MAIL\account name\Account.log The latter two are excluded by obvious reasons. The former four I don't remember why I exclude, but maybe it gives you some hints of which settings I don't want synchronized between my computers? Oh, forgot to mention. Excluding these files also makes folder settings made on one computer not replicated to the other. For example, I would like purge settings replicated, they are not. Again, I don't remember why I excluded the files mentioned, but I do remember I had good reasons. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello all, Thursday, February 24, 2005, Maxim Masiutin wrote: Currently, The Bat! keeps the following configuration data in the registry: - Window sizes, position, column widths - Directory names last used to save an attachment, import messages, etc. - Currently selected items, i.e. folder, message, etc. - Miscellaneous editor settings like AutoIndent, AutoWrap, Show ReplyTo, editor font, editor colours for selected text, quoted text, etc, - Various global preferences like Inform about birthdays, Use menu navigator, RAS settings like username and password, font of folders tree, etc. There is an imperative to store configuration data in a disk file rather than in the registry. However, there is no rationale to keep window sizes, position and column widths in files, it seems to me that Registry is the best place for this information. What kind of configuration data should we keep in registry and what should we put into a file? Max, why is needed to use more places for storing configuration data, why is a problem to use INI files only? Look to Opera, I love it for this, whole configuration is stored in INI's. Or Pocomail, AFAIK it stores everything in files too. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
On Thursday, February 24, 2005, 11:53:07 AM, Cees wrote: C I feel that ALL userpreferences without exception, including C folders created by the user, should be put into an ini-file. That C would really save me a lot of work in the future. I have to agree with this. I'd much rather have the information stored in an .INI file than the registry. It makes backing up and restoring a much simpler process. -- Mike Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Config: Registry - File
Hello Marek, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 19:06:16, you wrote: Look to Opera, I love it for this, whole configuration is stored in INI's. If you store screen coordinates in an INI file and move it to a computer with a display of different resolution, you will see a big mess! -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Dear Maxim, @24-Feb-2005, 19:36 +0200 (24-Feb 17:36 UK time) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marek: Look to Opera, I love it for this, whole configuration is stored in INI's. MM If you store screen coordinates in an INI file and move it to MM a computer with a display of different resolution, you will see a MM big mess! Agreed! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgp8nHWUvrqdI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello Marcus Ohlström everyone else, on 24-Feb-2005 at 18:03 you (Marcus Ohlström) wrote: There is a few annoyances though, one of them being that I every time have to change my SMTP server. I do not use the same server when travelling as I do at home, but the SMTP server setting seem to be stored somewhere in the files I copy. You could solve that with xrayapp I think. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Law of Life's Highway: If everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 6:06:16 PM, you wrote: MM Max, why is needed to use more places for storing configuration data, MM why is a problem to use INI files only? Look to Opera, I love it for MM this, whole configuration is stored in INI's. Or Pocomail, AFAIK it MM stores everything in files too. Yes, I also support this! I use The Bat! in 2 computers in my home and if I do any change on one computer I must do it in second (export registry branch, then delete registry branch in second computer, then import exported branch). Please allow to not use registry at all :-) -- Best regards, Prezes mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! v3.0.2.10, Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1 -- Smiechu warte... http://link.interia.pl/f185a Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello Prezes, A reminder of what Prezes on TBBETA typed on: 24 February 2005 at 19:14:57 GMT +0100 P Please allow to not use registry at al I'll agree with that. I like the idea of being able to run totally from a USB stick or SD card like PocoPE. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
jueves, 24 feb 2005 at 17:20, it seems you wrote:
What kind of configuration data should we keep in registry and what
should we put into a file?
I suppose the file will be placed in Documents Settings/User folder.
Because now the registry HKEY_CURRENT_USER makes the possibility to
have different configurations for different users.
In this case I think all should be placed in files, excepting
window/position/column sizes because it should be a problem if the
resolution changes.
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Re: Config: Registry - File
On Thursday, February 24, 2005, 19:10, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: There is a few annoyances though, one of them being that I every time have to change my SMTP server. I do not use the same server when travelling as I do at home, but the SMTP server setting seem to be stored somewhere in the files I copy. You could solve that with xrayapp I think. Yes, but that was not my point, my point was SMTP server should be regarded as a system locale setting. Thanks anyway. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
On Thursday, February 24, 2005, 18:36:16, Maxim Masiutin wrote: If you store screen coordinates in an INI file and move it to a computer with a display of different resolution, you will see a big mess! Always do a sanity check on all settings, whether they're stored in an INI file, registry or some other custom format. If the coordinates point outside of the screen, ignore them, and use default (or adjust them to current screen). -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790.] You should have seen it when *I* got it. -- Bureaucratic Cop-Out #1 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 8:01:09 PM, you wrote: TB I'll agree with that. I like the idea of being able to run totally from a TB USB stick or SD card like PocoPE. So, maybe you will create new preferences tab with two columns: registry and INI file. And user will be able to move items between these two columns, so user will decide where store all things :-) This will be the best way, but at least allow user to store all informations in INI file :-) -- Best regards, Prezes mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! v3.0.2.10, Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1 NAJLEPSZA NA SWIECIE... Sprawdz http://link.interia.pl/f185e Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Config: Registry - File
Hello Netvicious, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 21:14:10, you wrote: I suppose the file will be placed in Documents Settings/User folder. Because now the registry HKEY_CURRENT_USER makes the possibility to have different configurations for different users. We will store the files in the MAIL Directory, which is currently by default in the Documents Settings/User folder. Currently, The Bat! keeps its files in two directories: 1. The read-only program files in the Program Files folder 2. The files that it modifies in the MAIL Directory We don't like to make one additional directory besides the MAIL directory, we don't like to have three different directories. But if there is rationale for this third directory, please let us know. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 8:28:27 PM, you wrote: MM We don't like to make one additional directory besides the MM MAIL directory, we don't like to have three different MM directories. Yes, agreed! MM But if there is rationale for this third directory, please let us know. No, this will be a nonsense :-) -- Best regards, Prezes mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! v3.0.2.10, Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1 -- Smiechu warte... http://link.interia.pl/f185a Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello Maxim, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 4:20:52 PM, you wrote: What kind of configuration data should we keep in registry and what should we put into a file? As others have already indicated, there is software out there that does not store any data in the registry. Virtual Access (mail and news client) does exactly this and copes with multiple accounts etc. I am not technically literate when it comes to programming but don't really see the need to store configuration data in the registry, especially in a program like The Bat! where the users in this forum like to 'transport' their installations. Using ini files would make life considerably easier in that respect. It would also make beta testing easier using ini files as you could run co-existing betas, just by running the exe for the beta which would load up configuration data from its own directory. Just my thoughts ;-) -- Tony Brookes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tonybro.com Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello Max, on Thursday, 24. February 2005, at 21:28:27 [GMT +0200] you wrote regarding Config: Registry - File: We don't like to make one additional directory besides the MAIL directory, we don't like to have three different directories. good choice. But if there is rationale for this third directory, please let us know. don't think so, that there is a reason. -- Ciao Thomas Using: TheBat! 3.0.2.10 System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP:Key-ID: 0x70D9F03B Visit: TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de pgpZJSpJvP3hE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hallo Maxim, On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:28:27 +0200GMT (24-2-2005, 20:28 +0100, where I live), you wrote: I suppose the file will be placed in Documents Settings/User folder. Because now the registry HKEY_CURRENT_USER makes the possibility to have different configurations for different users. MM We will store the files in the MAIL Directory, which is MM currently by default in the Documents Settings/User folder. What about those unfortunate fools who (like me) don't have the mail directory in the documents settings/user folder, because they want to share the mail between different profiles/users or because they don't have such a directory (Win98 stuff etc) or because they'd like to have their mail on removable media or a network drive. When you place the config file in the mail directory they'll have TB asking where to find the message base on every start. MM Currently, The Bat! keeps its files in two directories: MM 1. The read-only program files in the Program Files folder That would be the logical place to store it. TB can always find its program directory, so it wouldn't be too hard to find the config file. -- Groetjes, Roelof If the water is clean, you see the bottom, if dirty, you see yourself. The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Config: Registry - File
jueves, 24 feb 2005 at 20:28, it seems you wrote:
Currently, The Bat! keeps its files in two directories:
1. The read-only program files in the Program Files folder
2. The files that it modifies in the MAIL Directory
We don't like to make one additional directory besides the MAIL
directory, we don't like to have three different directories.
Well in this case, TB! should create or mark the ini files with the
Windows username it's using the program. If you don't separate this
the different users of the program will have the same configurations
But if there is rationale for this third directory, please let us know.
The old ini files where deprecated with the registry because
with the old ini files each program had one only configuration. Later
in Win2000 M$ added the DocumentsSettings folder.
I only said one think. Now with the registry each user could have it's
config. If TB! uses ini files if TB! don't marks or uses different ini
files for each user all the users of the computer will have the same
configuration, and if one user changes something the others users will
get also the same changes.
BsPlayer (www.bsplayer.org) uses xml files marked with the username.
Example: BSPlayer.User1.xml and BSPlayer.User2.xml. You could create
folders on mail folder or where you like for the user ini files.
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Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello NetVicious everyone else, on 24-Feb-2005 at 21:31 you (NetVicious) wrote: Well in this case, TB! should create or mark the ini files with the Windows username it's using the program. If you don't separate this the different users of the program will have the same configurations But the MAIL directory defaults to Documents Settings/username (/Application Data) ... there's the username. :-) ...anyone who tweaks the default setting will know what he/she does, I'd say. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) It's funny the way most people love the dead. Once you're dead you're made for life. -- Jimi Hendrix Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else, on 24-Feb-2005 at 21:21 you (Roelof Otten) wrote: MM Currently, The Bat! keeps its files in two directories: MM 1. The read-only program files in the Program Files folder That would be the logical place to store it. TB can always find its program directory, so it wouldn't be too hard to find the config file. In that case it requires the username tagged to the config file name, or inside the config, as NetVicious suggested. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that Benjamin Franklin said it first. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Config: Registry - File
Hello Roelof, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 22:21:28, you wrote: When you place the config file in the mail directory they'll have TB asking where to find the message base on every start. I think that the path to the working directory should be the only value kept in the Registry. What do you think about it? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Config: Registry - File
Hello Roelof, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 22:21:28, you wrote: When you place the config file in the mail directory they'll have TB asking where to find the message base on every start. When The Bat! stores file names in some of the .INI configuration files, like tbplugin.ini, it uses the following 'macros' to make the paths flexible: %WDIR% - the MAIL directory %PROGRAMDIR% - the directory to where thebat.exe has been installed It will support two more macros in the new version: %APPDATA% - CurreUser's application data folder %EXEDRIVE% - the drive on which thebat.exe resides -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hallo Maxim, On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:05:13 +0200GMT (24-2-2005, 22:05 +0100, where I live), you wrote: When you place the config file in the mail directory they'll have TB asking where to find the message base on every start. MM I think that the path to the working directory should be the MM only value kept in the Registry. What do you think about it? I'd prefer a file in the program directory, but I'm not sure whether that directory has write access for users with restricted rights. -- Groetjes, Roelof FIDO: Fading Into Discreet Obsolescence The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgptu4yo4cKsZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Config: Registry - File
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MM Hello Marek, MM Thursday, February 24, 2005, 19:06:16, you wrote: Look to Opera, I love it for this, whole configuration is stored in INI's. MM If you store screen coordinates in an INI file and move it to MM a computer with a display of different resolution, you will see a MM big mess! Just the same if you change the screen resolution in the machine you're running TB!. How do you handle that today? You could store the resolution for the stored screen coordinates, check, at start, the current resolution and determine the percentage delta (changes between resolutions) and reduce the screen coordinates just that much. What do you think? -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias They are slaves who fear to speak for the fallen weak. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Config: Registry - File
Hello Goncalo, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 23:29:34, you wrote: You could store the resolution for the stored screen coordinates, check, at start, the current resolution and determine the percentage delta (changes between resolutions) and reduce the screen coordinates just that much. What do you think? That's a good idea! At least if the new resolution is less than the old, we can ignore the saved coordinates. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Config: Registry - File
jueves, 24 feb 2005 at 22:29, it seems you wrote:
You could store the resolution for the stored screen coordinates,
check, at start, the current resolution and determine the percentage
delta (changes between resolutions) and reduce the screen coordinates
just that much. What do you think?
Sounds good!
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Re: Re[4]: Config: Registry - File
Quoting Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Goncalo, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 23:29:34, you wrote: ---snipped--- ...determine the percentage delta (changes between resolutions) and reduce the screen coordinates just that much. What do you think? That's a good idea! At least if the new resolution is less than the old, we can ignore the saved coordinates. or store the short list of possible resolutions in an array and update the variable (saved screen size) based on startup values. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello Marek, On Thursday, February 24, 2005 you wrote: Max, why is needed to use more places for storing configuration data, why is a problem to use INI files only? Look to Opera, I love it for this, whole configuration is stored in INI's. This is more or less the source of serious pain to install it on multiuser environments. With TB right now it's very simple, just import a previously-prepared .reg file. With Opera, you not only have to prepare the configuration, but also copy it to various places, name the config file in a specified manner and then wait longer while all the .ini files are transferred from the networked profile. FYI transferring many smaller files takes much much more time, than one bigger file. I can see that while recent documents, cookies, favorites and temporary internet files grow on my profiles! This is a terrible solution! They should all be stored in registry or in big, database-like files. Using all sorts of files for all sorts of small parts of configuration is an approach that makes everything more complicated and slower. Gosh, how life would be simpler, if Opera just stored it's settings in registry! It could even work on some of the configs I've seen. But is't not worth (in an economical POW) to work will all sorts of inis, cfgs, txts, xmls and other config files that all the authors in their ingenuity tend to develop instead of just using a built in, fast and working system of storing configuration. Regards, -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Config: Registry - File
Hello Krzysztof, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 00:10:21, you wrote: With TB right now it's very simple, just import a previously-prepared .reg file. If you will notice that The Bat! will loose simplicity to install it, just let me know! -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello Maxim, On Thursday, February 24, 2005 you wrote: Hello Krzysztof, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 00:10:21, you wrote: With TB right now it's very simple, just import a previously-prepared .reg file. If you will notice that The Bat! will loose simplicity to install it, just let me know! Okay Max, I'll say it like this: you probably know how Windows 2k domains work, and how settings are propagated between computers there (I think so, judging from the effort you made to prepare an MSI version of installer, which is useful with active directory). So just have it in mind that many people -- being your target! -- are using it. You're all capable developers, I hope you can make it in a sensible way, like you've many times proved you can. Just don't forget about these types of configurations. ;) When the new version reaches a relatively stable beta-stage, I'll test some more, since now it's quite an abstractive speaking without working on a real case :). Regards, -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.0.2.10 [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hi Prezes! Yes, I also support this! I use The Bat! in 2 computers in my home and if I do any change on one computer I must do it in second (export registry branch, then delete registry branch in second computer, then import exported branch). Please allow to not use registry at all :-) Why do you delete the registry tree first before importing the saved data? In my understanding everything is replaced if you import a whole tree. Or am I wrong? Well, I also do have two installation and do it the same way like you, exept deleting the registry tree on the target machine before importing. Works fine for 2 years now. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.0.2.10 powered by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hi Maxim! If you store screen coordinates in an INI file and move it to a computer with a display of different resolution, you will see a big mess! Well, I do not have severe problems with different resolutions. I'm using TB both on my client (1152x864) and on my laptop (1024x768) and moving the installation all the time by copying the whole directory plus exporting / importing the registry. Works real good. No problems. I have minor problems using TB via XP Remote Deskop. When the resolution is reduced by Remote Desktop the folder listing on the left does sometimes (only sometimes) not end at the bottom of the screen. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.0.2.10 powered by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello Martin, On Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 11:42:57 PM Martin [MS] wrote: Yes, I also support this! I use The Bat! in 2 computers in my home and if I do any change on one computer I must do it in second (export registry branch, then delete registry branch in second computer, then import exported branch). Please allow to not use registry at all :-) MS Why do you delete the registry tree first before importing the saved data? MS In my understanding everything is replaced if you import a whole tree. If you had deleted a key in the source it would not be deleted in destination. As one seldom deletes registry keys in TB!-tree it shouldn't make a different for this purpose, so Prezes simply applied the more general solution to this problem :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Cause you come from out of nowhere... Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello all, I also would prefer having config files located somewhere in the data directories of TB. As I already wrote here in the thread I often move TB from one computer to another computer. Copying just one directory is much easier than always exporting/importing registry trees. By the way: My MAIL directory is located in the TB program directory. I use TB since 1.6x and I think the default back there was the program direcory. And to be honest, I like I that way. I really hate the Documents and Settings directories. In my opinion user data has nothing to do on the system disk or partition. I store everything I can on other drives to avoid data loss. Being a M$ beta tester makes it necessary installing the OS new all the time. I always go mad when I have to save stuff like Favorites and registry settings plus stuff from Documents and Settings. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.0.2.10 powered by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hi Peter! Why do you delete the registry tree first before importing the saved data? In my understanding everything is replaced if you import a whole tree. If you had deleted a key in the source it would not be deleted in destination. As one seldom deletes registry keys in TB!-tree it shouldn't make a different for this purpose, so Prezes simply applied the more general solution to this problem :-) Are you sure about that? I'll have to check that. But sorry about this, it's kinda offtopic here... ;-) Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.0.2.10 powered by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello Martin, On Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 11:59:01 PM Martin [MS] wrote: Why do you delete the registry tree first before importing the saved data? In my understanding everything is replaced if you import a whole tree. If you had deleted a key in the source it would not be deleted in destination. As one seldom deletes registry keys in TB!-tree it shouldn't make a different for this purpose, so Prezes simply applied the more general solution to this problem :-) MS Are you sure about that? Quite sure ... -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) What use is magic if it can't save a unicorn? - Peter S. Beagle Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: Config: Registry - File
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : DH Quoting Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's a good idea! At least if the new resolution is less than the old, we can ignore the saved coordinates. DH or store the short list of possible resolutions in an array and DH update the variable (saved screen size) based on startup values. I like mine better! :) Kidding. I guess the 'short list' can be quite different from video card to video card. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias The future isn't what it used to be. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Config: Registry - File
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MM Hello Krzysztof, MM Thursday, February 24, 2005, 00:10:21, you wrote: With TB right now it's very simple, just import a previously-prepared .reg file. MM If you will notice that The Bat! will loose simplicity to install MM it, just let me know! Why don't you make it users' choice? INI or Registry, the user will name it! :) Or you could work with both and copy the registry settings to the INI file. Also, you could work with timestamps and use the most updated (INI or REG). The import/export would work at start/close. Probably you'll figure something much better... -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Want permanent birth control? Call 1-900-Bobbitt Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
On Thursday, February 24, 2005, 22:05, Maxim Masiutin wrote: I think that the path to the working directory should be the only value kept in the Registry. What do you think about it? As long as you separate system locale settings from general settings (ie windows sizes, server names etc from folder structure, editor configuration etc) I for one does not care if you store the settings in the registry or in files. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[7]: Config: Registry - File
Hello Goncalo, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 7:11:31 PM, you wrote: In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : DH or store the short list of possible resolutions in an array and DH update the variable (saved screen size) based on startup values. I like mine better! :) Kidding. I guess the 'short list' can be quite different from video card to video card. There is a set of resolution parameters that can be considered a set of defaults: 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 1600x1200 Quite a few video card manufacturers use these, but that's not to say that there isn't some other sizes that could be set by the user. But for talking points, consider the above to be 'built in' where by TB! can test for resultion and apply the last known (saved) or use the next resolution down. What's the worst? The user will get a window occupying less than a whole screen--much like mine is now (I'm running 2560x1200 on a Matrox Dual Head). Maybe yours is better :) Dennis -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Dennis Hays / HaysDesign http://www.haysdesign.com Sent on Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 8:01 PM USA Eastern -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. ICQ: 200045507 / AIM: edennishays yahoo: dennishays / Jabber: dennishays Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Config: Registry - File
Hello NetVicious, Thursday, February 24, 2005, 14:31:21, you wrote: N jueves, 24 feb 2005 at 20:28, it seems you wrote: Currently, The Bat! keeps its files in two directories: 1. The read-only program files in the Program Files folder 2. The files that it modifies in the MAIL Directory We don't like to make one additional directory besides the MAIL directory, we don't like to have three different directories. N Well in this case, TB! should create or mark the ini files with the N Windows username it's using the program. If you don't separate this N the different users of the program will have the same configurations But if there is rationale for this third directory, please let us know. N The old ini files where deprecated with the registry because N with the old ini files each program had one only configuration. Later N in Win2000 M$ added the DocumentsSettings folder. N I only said one think. Now with the registry each user could have it's N config. If TB! uses ini files if TB! don't marks or uses different ini N files for each user all the users of the computer will have the same N configuration, and if one user changes something the others users will N get also the same changes. N BsPlayer (www.bsplayer.org) uses xml files marked with the username. N Example: BSPlayer.User1.xml and BSPlayer.User2.xml. You could create N folders on mail folder or where you like for the user ini files. Some things here: 0. the old .ini files were deprecated because every application put them under the Windows system directory -- which, even at the beginning (and I am talking about Windows 1.x here) was an atrociously bad idea. 1. even if this is getting not to be common anymore, you can have many users sharing a single Windows system. User-specific settings should *by default* be saved under the current user system folder; the user can be given an option to move it elsewhere. The reason here is a simple one -- privacy. 2. samewise, each user should be able to configure TB! as if this user were to be the single TB! user. This means that configuration data, be it in the Registry or in an initialisation file, should also be stored under the current user area (either HK_CurrentUser, or under 'My Documents', for example). This means, for example, that one user can use BayesIt! while another user, on the same box, can use Bayes Filter. 3. Except for system settings, using the Registry just makes life a lot more miserable for those of us that jump systems, or have to rebuild them -- for whatever reason. On the other hand, for corporate users that roam on a Domain, not having the settings under the HK_CurrentUser will, of course, be a major pain. 4. And, on the other hand (that's the third hand for those of you that did not count them) this is probably not a significant issue given that the roaming user will still need to access the mail base (probably on an altogether different computer that the one in use to execute TB!). So... right now, it is difficult to decide which way. I myself would go off the Registry, no questions asked -- I simply hate the beast, and the current abuse of what started as a good idea. My personal vote is for XML-based initialisation files. -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 and on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4, waiting for an UNIX-based TB! Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
