PGP/GnuPG in 1.60

2002-03-25 Thread Peter Meyns

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Hi friends,

the plugin for PGP 6.5.8 works well here. With GnuPG however, there are
some problems. TB! lets me sign messages with GPG, but it refuses to
encrypt or decrypt, the error msg telling me that the key was not found
(although it is in my keyring). I can encrypt to myself, though.
GPGShell de- or encrypts without problems.

Anything on my side that I can do?

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Re: PGP/GnuPG in 1.60

2002-03-25 Thread Joseph N.

My experience is that one is better off using GnuPG through the
GPGshell tray program than with The Bat's plug-in.  Reliability is
better and the options are greater.  I found some of TB's menu options
didn't produce with GnuPG, including poor key management.  The tray
options do not produce exta work, just extra control.

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 Peter Meyns wrote on Monday, March 25, 2002:

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 Hi friends,

 the plugin for PGP 6.5.8 works well here. With GnuPG however, there are
 some problems. TB! lets me sign messages with GPG, but it refuses to
 encrypt or decrypt, the error msg telling me that the key was not found
 (although it is in my keyring). I can encrypt to myself, though.
 GPGShell de- or encrypts without problems.

 Anything on my side that I can do?


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Re: PGP/GnuPG in 1.60

2002-03-25 Thread Peter Meyns

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On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:21:41 -0600GMT (which was 25.03.02, 20:21 +0100GMT
where I live), Joseph N. wrote this about PGP/GnuPG in 1.60:

JN My experience is that one is better off using GnuPG through the
JN GPGshell tray program than with The Bat's plug-in.  Reliability is
JN better and the options are greater.  I found some of TB's menu options
JN didn't produce with GnuPG, including poor key management.  The tray
JN options do not produce exta work, just extra control.

Thank you Joseph,

if I consider this, you are perfectly right. I don't need any plugins
when the tool itself works properly... :o))

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Re: PGP/GnuPG in 1.60

2002-03-25 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Peter Meyns,

On Monday, March 25 2002 at 11:09 AM PDT, you wrote:

 the plugin for PGP 6.5.8 works well here. With GnuPG however, there are
 some problems. TB! lets me sign messages with GPG, but it refuses to
 encrypt or decrypt, the error msg telling me that the key was not found
 (although it is in my keyring). I can encrypt to myself, though.

TB did have a problem with something called 'Smart Matching' where it
would look in your Key Rings for a User ID with the 'exact' matching UID
of the Recipient... or something along those lines, and in most cases
would provide the Key with the 'first' matching UID it came across,
regardless whether or not this was the Key you wanted to use.

However, you mention that you can encrypt and decrypt messages to yourself
without a problem, so this may not be the case. Perhaps TB looks up the
'exact' matching UID of 'any' Public Keys you are encrypting to and
compares it with the UID of the Recipient, and if it doesn't find an exact
match, will report that the Key cannot be found?


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Courtenay, B.C. Canada


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Re: PGP/GnuPG in 1.60

2002-03-25 Thread Allie C Martin

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@ 20:09:02 +0100 [ Mon, 25 Mar 2002], Peter Meyns [PM] contributed this
to our collective wisdom:
...
PM the plugin for PGP 6.5.8 works well here. With GnuPG however, there
PM are some problems. TB! lets me sign messages with GPG, but it
PM refuses to encrypt or decrypt, the error msg telling me that the key
PM was not found (although it is in my keyring). I can encrypt to
PM myself, though. GPGShell de- or encrypts without problems.

PM Anything on my side that I can do?

TB!'s plug-in has smart-matching hard coded into how it works. What this
means is that for signing, it will only do so if it finds on your
keyring, a key with an associated UID that perfectly matches the From:
address in the message headers. When I say perfect match, I mean name
and e-mail address *together*.

For instance, if your keys UID is 'Jasper Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]',
TB!'s plugin will not sign if you fill in your messages 'from:' address
as 'Jasper [EMAIL PROTECTED]'. You have to add the latter identity
as another UID. This is why I have a list of UID's on my main key:

Allie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The advantage of this system applies when you have multiple keys. With
this smartmatching system, the plug-in will autosign with the appropriate
key instead of a default key as in PGP. I have an alternate key for this
list with the UID 'allie_M [EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Signing of messages to
this list is template driven and the correct key to sign with is always
appropriately chosen.


The encryption/decryption of messages follows a similar system. An UID
match must occur before the encryption decryption process is done.
Otherwise you'll receive an error message. A typical example is that
you're replying to a message from someone who's public key doesn't
include their reply to name/address combo as a UID.

I don't see any advantages of including smart-matching in
encryption/decryption operations. Let the user select the relevant keys.
If it's the correct key then the person at the other end will be able to
decrypt it. If you choose the wrong key to decrypt with, then the
message will not decrypt. Simple. I don't know what's with the smart
matching and I tend to just use GPG Shell for this. However, I find the
plugin very nice for signing and signature checking once you are aware
of how it works and add your identities, which you should anyway.

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Re: PGP/GnuPG in 1.60

2002-03-25 Thread Allie C Martin

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@ 13:21:41 -0600 [ Mon, 25 Mar 2002], Joseph N. [JN] thoughtfully wrote
the following:
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JN My experience is that one is better off using GnuPG through the
JN GPGshell tray program than with The Bat's plug-in.  Reliability is
JN better and the options are greater.

The possibilities are greater if you use both together, taking advantage
of each of their strengths. In this way, I actually much prefer using
GPG to PGP at present. My only problem is the key auto-retrieval problem
that GPG has when run on NT-based systems.

JN I found some of TB's menu options didn't produce with GnuPG,

Yes. The plugin isn't that developed to include these components and I
suspect this is so because the existence of GPG Shell is known. :-)

JN including poor key management.

You can't manage keys via the TB! plugin. You have to use the GPG CLI.

JN The tray options do not produce exta work, just extra control.

Well, mostly yes. However, if you're in the habit of signing a lot of
messages in a predictable fashion, nothing beats setting this up to be
automated and forgetting about it, especially if you use multiple keys.
GPG Shell doesn't offer this automation, but TB!'s plugin does. :-)

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