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Hello Peter, On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:41:11 +0200 GMT (29/Apr/09, 23:41 +0700 GMT), Peter Meyns wrote in mid:1556876605.20090429184...@nosuchdomain.com: PM How about proper S/MIME support? Please let me know what is wrong with TB!'s S/MIME support. I will need to use it in the near future by wish of one of my customers. I have never used it and if I start testing now, I don't want to get frustrated by some bugs when I think I'm doing something wrong. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
On Friday, May 1, 2009, 7:58:38 PM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: You were right that we've chosen inappropriate phrases, may be in beta .19 it will get better. when I try to choose a specific date and time, and tick the time and use the arrows to scroll it only allows me to scroll one hour, or minute. If I highlight the minute and hit the arrow it will move one digit, then cease being highlighted. I have to highlight again, to move one more minute. Confirmed -- Rick Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning. - Kirk v4.1.11.19 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Mittwoch, 29. April 2009 at 11:25, Volker Ahrendt wrote: A few more thoughts brought me to this real flexible solution (see attachment). +1 Good Work! Did you think about moving to Chisinau? ;-) -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg Schnellvorlage tbver konnte nicht gefunden werden Schnellvorlage winversion konnte nicht gefunden werden Schnellvorlage pcinfo konnte nicht gefunden werden Schnellvorlage popinfo konnte nicht gefunden werden Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Samstag, 2. Mai 2009 at 02:57, Maxim Masiutin wrote: You were right, while remaking the dialog we've lost some links that turn off some checkboxes when the user clicks the other... It should have been impossible to check them all. You can try .19 to figure out that it is all right. Confirmed working now. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.19 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.2 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-05-02 · 03:06 h (CET)] Moin, Maxim! The postponed sending dialog is the graphical editor for the small textual argument of the %POSTPONE macro, e.g. “+2h” means “add two hours” or “8:12” means send on 8:12 today if it’s before 8:12, otherwise send tomorrow on that time, etc. Did I understand correctly that in your dialog, if I don’t’ want to specify the date, I should select “Send in 0 days” radiobutton? And if I don’t want to specify the time, i.e. just want the all the new messages to be sent in 2 days, I have to specify “current time plus 0 hours 0 minutes”? In iterative steps this matter gets clear! ;-) So here is the next draft: As immediate sending is the default, the dialog initially should look like attachment [1]. The dialog for a postponed message should look like attachment [2]. Is there still any confusion left? Cheers! VA P.S.: @NetVicious: The radiobuttons are now one below the other. :-) - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.19 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »You live and learn. At any rate, you live.« Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) ·-· | Attachment(s)/Anlage(n) | ·-·--· | [1] Postponed_Sending_Dialog_Draft_03_Immediate.gif | [2] Postponed_Sending_Dialog_Draft_03.gif ··attachment: Postponed_Sending_Dialog_Draft_03_Immediate.gifattachment: Postponed_Sending_Dialog_Draft_03.gif Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Jens Franik« · 2009-05-02 · 18:11 h (CET)] Moin, Jens! +1 Good Work! Did you think about moving to Chisinau? ;-) Ummm, I have to think about it, but I am afraid that my Moldovan and Russian are definitively not good enough. ;-) Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.19 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be.« Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Sonntag, 3. Mai 2009 at 01:12, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Is there still any confusion left? No, i love it! -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.19 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.2 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Mse, Sunday, April 26, 2009, 13:38:12, you wrote: 1. Another typo is in Temlate macro. The p is missing. Thank you, we have just fixed it, but the last beta came out before this. 2. What exactly is the macro for a message delay? The user interface here says '%DELAY=...' in QT it is '%POSTPONE=...'. It should be consistent. Yes, thank you. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Netvicious, Sunday, April 26, 2009, 0:17:45, you wrote: But when we are defining a custom delay for a message I think the more button should not be applied here. I suggest you to place the text with the real date-time of the sending without pressing any button, because it's a good way to test the info we set on the dialog. On the custom delay I think the template and the calendar selection doesn't applies. I agree with your suggestions. We should think how to implement it better. Also, when the user selects %POSTPONE macro from the macros menu when editing a template, an editor should also appear, the same way as a file dialog opens when the user wishes to include a file. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Volker, Monday, April 27, 2009, 0:00:35, you wrote: The arrows of the Time box do not work (see attachment), but you can type a different time in the corresponding field. This is a behaviour of a standard windows calendar control. Do you know other software when it works not the same as in The Bat!? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Jens, Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 14:49:07, you wrote: And i still do not understand why to compare to a date? Maybe, the wording was too perplexing Now we have rephrased it and it is now easier to understand without sacrifice in functionality. For me it would be enough if the Dialog tells me This Message, according to your choices in this Dialog, then will be sent at: _Weekday_ _DATE_ _TIME_ In .19, it's the way you want, I hope. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jens, Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 15:06:53, you wrote: That is enough (until i understand why to have more than that): http://www.de2all.de/thebat/screen78.png You were right, while remaking the dialog we've lost some links that turn off some checkboxes when the user clicks the other... It should have been impossible to check them all. You can try .19 to figure out that it is all right. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Roger, Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 15:13:48, you wrote: OK, you are perhaps correct about there not being any other way to test, but I'm still not sure exactly what is meant by an 'arbitrary' date and time, as distinct from a required time that is set in the 'postponed' programme. You were right that we've chosen inappropriate phrases, may be in beta .19 it will get better. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Volker, Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 12:25:10, you wrote: A few more thoughts brought me to this real flexible solution (see attachment). Thank you for some nice thoughts! The postponed sending dialog is the graphical editor for the small textual argument of the %POSTPONE macro, e.g. “+2h” means “add two hours” or “8:12” means send on 8:12 today if it’s before 8:12, otherwise send tomorrow on that time, etc. Did I understand correctly that in your dialog, if I don’t’ want to specify the date, I should select “Send in 0 days” radiobutton? And if I don’t want to specify the time, i.e. just want the all the new messages to be sent in 2 days, I have to specify “current time plus 0 hours 0 minutes”? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Volker, Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 18:42:22, you wrote: Did you see my latest draft for the dialog? Yes, this dialog have made a valuable contribution to further design of the dialog that you may see in the .19 beta. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Volker, Monday, April 27, 2009, 0:00:35, you wrote: The arrows of the Time box do not work (see attachment), but you can type a different time in the corresponding field. This is a behaviour of a standard windows calendar control. Do you know other software when it works not the same as in The Bat!? I could name many. I was just using Quicken which uses similar controls for dates. Once you have highlighted one column (say) the month you can spin through the numbers until you get the one you want -- Rick Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest. - Alexandre Dumas v4.1.11.19 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Volker, Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 18:50:01, you wrote: And that has nearly nothing to do with the [More]-Button. So please think about my dialog draft. :-) We will probably remove the more button when it is not needed and/or replace it with another control, like in the attached image. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ attachment: more-less-button.png Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
On Friday, May 1, 2009, 7:58:38 PM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: You were right that we've chosen inappropriate phrases, may be in beta .19 it will get better. when I try to choose a specific date and time, and tick the time and use the arrows to scroll it only allows me to scroll one hour, or minute. If I highlight the minute and hit the arrow it will move one digit, then cease being highlighted. I have to highlight again, to move one more minute. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.11.19 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Volker Ahrendt« · 2009-04-29 · 01:05 h (CET)] The problem is in this case the user will have to click the GUI for each for the message sent, like in Outlook. We want to give an option to to configure the postponed sending autmatically for every message, so the user will simply press send button on the toolbar (or the corresponding keystroke) and the message will be immediately closed and scheduled for delivery. Your suggestion makes this impossible. Okay, now here are my reworked ideas. And of course the first one is meant seriously. ;-) A few more thoughts brought me to this real flexible solution (see attachment). Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy«attachment: Postponed_Sending_Dialog_Draft_02.gif Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Volker, Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:52:32 PM, you wrote: Okay, leave the info, that the postponed message will be sent on … But the test section – even for messages that are automatically created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates – is IMHO of no real need. That's why we have implemented the More button. Those who do not need it, won't click More button and won't be confused. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-29 · 15:59 h (CET)] Moin, Maxim! But the test section – even for messages that are automatically created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates – is IMHO of no real need. That's why we have implemented the More button. Those who do not need it, won't click More button and won't be confused. Did you see my latest draft for the dialog? = mid:566587429.20090429112...@ahrendt.net Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be.« Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Volker Ahrendt« · 2009-04-29 · 17:42 h (CET)] [Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-29 · 15:59 h (CET)] But the test section – even for messages that are automatically created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates – is IMHO of no real need. That's why we have implemented the More button. Those who do not need it, won't click More button and won't be confused. One addition: The confusion is caused by this: = mid:1663363721.20090428112...@ahrendt.net And that has nearly nothing to do with the [More]-Button. So please think about my dialog draft. :-) Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »You live and learn. At any rate, you live.« Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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I can't believe so much time is being devoted to the Postponed Sending dialogue subject. Is there not more important issues?.. Steve.H Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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[Reply to: »Steve Harris« · 2009-04-29 · 17:56 h (CET)] I can't believe so much time is being devoted to the Postponed Sending dialogue subject. Is there not more important issues?.. IMAP? Drafts folder? Number of attachments? … Um, no! Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »Last Chance to See« Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Steve, on Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:56:20 +0100GMT (29.04.2009, 17:56 +0200GMT here), you wrote: SH I can't believe so much time is being devoted to the Postponed Sending SH dialogue subject. Is there not more important issues?.. I agree with you here completely. How about proper S/MIME support? -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v4.1.11.18 :beta: on WinXP, SP3, 5, 1, build 2600 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, several news groups via MyGate OTFE disabled AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 1024 MB RAM Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
miércoles, 29 abr 2009 at 11:25, it seems you wrote: A few more thoughts brought me to this real flexible solution (see attachment). Your draft02 gets my vote. But I think radiobuttons should not be on the left of the other. They should be below the previous one. -- /\/ Using The Bat! 4.1.11.18 Professional / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Moderator of Spanish TBUDL Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Mau, Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:03:40, you wrote: Hold for... ( ) Hours ( ) Minutes ( ) Seconds ... and then send. Your idea to use the tail ...and then send is excellent! But it gives another complication. The user can combine hold over (2) days and use specific time 8:00 for, example, which means that the message will be send in 8:00 in two days after today. Also, the user can combine hold over 2 hours and use specific date 10/10/2009. In this case, the message will be sent on that specific date, but the time will be taken from current time plus two hours, i.e. if it is now 9:21, the message will be sent on 11:21 10/10/2009. The initial version of the dialog that have used add days/add hours/add minutes wast technically more correct. Maybe we should use hold over anyway, not hold for in the begining of the phrase? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Mau, Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:03:40, you wrote: So, my suggestion would be to make the title be 'Postponed/Scheduled Sending'. This is a nice idea. At least The Bat! uses it's scheduler and creates events to send the messages. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 10:54 h (CET)] Moin, Maxim! Hold for... ( ) Hours ( ) Minutes ( ) Seconds ... and then send. Your idea to use the tail ...and then send is excellent! +1 But it gives another complication. The user can combine hold over (2) days and use specific time 8:00 for, example, which means that the message will be send in 8:00 in two days after today. This may be a nice try, but please keep it simple: Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user. Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: Send message April 30, 8:00 h. – Where is the problem? So maybe radio buttons for Hold over|for and Specific Date/Time would be a good choice. I just can repeat it: Please keep it simple and do not confuse the user! Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be.« Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Volker, Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:20:14, you wrote: Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user. No, the idea is to combine both of the options. Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: Send message April 30, 8:00 h. – Where is the problem? The problem is in this case the user will have to click the GUI for each for the message sent, like in Outlook. We want to give an option to to configure the postponed sending autmatically for every message, so the user will simply press send button on the toolbar (or the corresponding keystroke) and the message will be immediately closed and scheduled for delivery. Your suggestion makes this impossible. The Bat! is a mail program for people who write bigger amount of messages than the people that are using other e-mail programs or webmail. Also, The Bat! is a program for the users that need lots of features missing in other programs. So we have to provide very powerful and complicated features, even thought sometimes such power and complicity is hard to understand from the first glance. But this investment in time to play with these options and to understand them pays out for thouse who seriously need it. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Maxim, Hold for... ( ) Hours ( ) Minutes ( ) Seconds ... and then send. Your idea to use the tail ...and then send is excellent! Thank you :( But it gives another complication. The user can combine hold over (2) days and use specific time 8:00 for, example, which means that the message will be send in 8:00 in two days after today. Also, the user can combine hold over 2 hours and use specific date 10/10/2009. In this case, the message will be sent on that specific date, but the time will be taken from current time plus two hours, i.e. if it is now 9:21, the message will be sent on 11:21 10/10/2009. The initial version of the dialog that have used add days/add hours/add minutes wast technically more correct. I would not allow the combination of the two options. In my opinion it can make things a bit confusing and it doesn't really add any flexibility. The two options should be mutually exclusive. You EITHER hold for x hrs OR pick an specific date/time. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Maxim, So, my suggestion would be to make the title be 'Postponed/Scheduled Sending'. This is a nice idea. At least The Bat! uses it's scheduler and creates events to send the messages. Well, with this one, it is 3 beers in total that you owe me ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Volker, But it gives another complication. The user can combine hold over (2) days and use specific time 8:00 for, example, which means that the message will be send in 8:00 in two days after today. This may be a nice try, but please keep it simple: Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user. Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: Send message April 30, 8:00 h. – Where is the problem? So maybe radio buttons for Hold over|for and Specific Date/Time would be a good choice. I just can repeat it: Please keep it simple and do not confuse the user! Fully agree, I have just told Maxim the same in a different message. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Volker, Monday, April 27, 2009, 23:36:02, you wrote: I would suggest to remove most of the More part at the bottom of the dialog. = See attachments. Why do you suggest to remove it? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Roger, Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:40:48, you wrote: It is not clear to me just what is the need for Test against an arbitrary date and time in the future. This can be useful, for example, for messages that are automatically created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates. If a filter or mass mailing will create a message tomorrow on particular time, you should know how the %POSTPONE macro will affect it and what will be the real date and time of sending. How else do you think can you know it? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 11:31 h (CET)] Moin, Maxim! I would suggest to remove most of the More part at the bottom of the dialog. = See attachments. Why do you suggest to remove it? Okay, leave the info, that the postponed message will be sent on … But the test section – even for messages that are automatically created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates – is IMHO of no real need. But maybe I just forgot to take something important into account, so I do not get it. ;-) Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Dienstag, 28. April 2009 at 11:20, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Either you want to send a message in x days/hours/minutes or at a specific time. But please do not mix it up and confuse the user. Instead of the mentioned above, one can say: Send message April 30, 8:00 h. – Where is the problem? +1 So maybe radio buttons for Hold over|for and Specific Date/Time would be a good choice. +1 -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.18 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 11.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Dienstag, 28. April 2009 at 11:31, Maxim Masiutin wrote: I would suggest to remove most of the More part at the bottom of the dialog. = See attachments. That is enough (until i understand why to have more than that): http://www.de2all.de/thebat/screen78.png -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.18 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 11.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 11:31 h (CET)] Moin, Maxim! I would suggest to remove most of the More part at the bottom of the dialog. = See attachments. Why do you suggest to remove it? Okay, leave the info, that the postponed message will be sent on … But the test section – even for messages that are automatically created by sorting office filters or by mass mailing quick templates – is IMHO of no real need. But maybe I just forgot to take something important into account, so I do not get it. ;-) Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jens, Monday, April 27, 2009, 22:52:00, you wrote: Yes, exept of the lower part with the compare against date.. How do you suggest to improve it? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-28 · 11:40 h (CET)] Moin, Maxim! The problem is in this case the user will have to click the GUI for each for the message sent, like in Outlook. We want to give an option to to configure the postponed sending autmatically for every message, so the user will simply press send button on the toolbar (or the corresponding keystroke) and the message will be immediately closed and scheduled for delivery. Your suggestion makes this impossible. Okay, now here are my reworked ideas. And of course the first one is meant seriously. ;-) See attachments. Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Infinity itself looks flat and uninteresting. Looking up into the night sky is looking into infinity – distance is incomprehensible and therefore meaningless.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« ·-· | Attachment(s)/Anlage(n) | ·-·--· | · Postponed_Sending_Dialog.gif | · Postponed_Sending_Dialog_Easteregg.gif ··attachment: Postponed_Sending_Dialog.gifattachment: Postponed_Sending_Dialog_Easteregg.gif Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Sonntag, 26. April 2009 at 11:06, Maxim Masiutin wrote: Do you think that the new Postponed Sending dialogue is easier to understand Yes, exept of the lower part with the compare against date.. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.18 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 11.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
[Reply to: »Jens Franik« · 2009-04-27 · 21:52 h (CET)] Moin, Jens! Sonntag, 26. April 2009 at 11:06, Maxim Masiutin wrote: Do you think that the new Postponed Sending dialogue is easier to understand Yes, exept of the lower part with the compare against date.. I would suggest to remove most of the More part at the bottom of the dialog. = See attachments. Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Infinity itself looks flat and uninteresting. Looking up into the night sky is looking into infinity – distance is incomprehensible and therefore meaningless.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« ·-· | Attachment(s)/Anlage(n) | ·-·--· | · Postponed_Sending_Current.gif | · Postponed_Sending_Proposal.gif ··attachment: Postponed_Sending_Current.gifattachment: Postponed_Sending_Proposal.gif Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2009-04-26 · 11:06 h (CET)] Moin, Maxim! Do you think that the new Postponed Sending dialogue is easier to understand or even harder to understand? There were some TBBETA subscribers that have found the old one very perplexing. We need your feedback. The arrows of the Time box do not work (see attachment), but you can type a different time in the corresponding field. Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.18 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.« – Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001)attachment: Postponed_Sending_Bug.gif Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Tbbeta, Do you think that the new Postponed Sending dialogue is easier to understand or even harder to understand? There were some TBBETA subscribers that have found the old one very perplexing. We need your feedback. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Ritlabs SRL http://www.ritlabs.com/ Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi, For me the Postponed Sending Dialogue menu in 118 make perfect sense although I can't say I'd ever use it myself ;-) Are the attachment icons on the fix list? Regards Steve Harris MM Hello Tbbeta, MM MM Do you think that the new Postponed Sending dialogue is easier MM to understand or even harder to understand? There were some TBBETA MM subscribers that have found the old one very perplexing. We need your feedback. Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Max, Do you think that the new Postponed Sending dialogue is easier to understand or even harder to understand? There were some TBBETA subscribers that have found the old one very perplexing. We need your feedback. I had to look in my dictionary what 'Postponed' ment. :-) With f.i. 'Delayed' that hadn't been nessesary. When adding a new delay item, above the description there's only the letter 'm'. I suppose, that will be changed in 'Description'. Further it seems clear enough. But please don't mix it with drafts; draft messages should kept on hold in an own Drafts folder, without any date or time. A draft message isn't ready for sending, one can work on it another time. Imagine, you can finish it, when you've cleared first some question and are waiting for someone's answer or untill you've has time to visit a library, or ... your keyboard gave up and you need to buy first a new keyboard. :-) Making a delay for sending a message can have other good reasons. -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 4.1.11.18 under Vista Ultimate 32 bit Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Gunivortus, Hi Max, When adding a new delay item, above the description there's only the letter 'm'. I suppose, that will be changed in 'Description'. 1. Another typo is in Temlate macro. The p is missing. 2. What exactly is the macro for a message delay? The user interface here says '%DELAY=...' in QT it is '%POSTPONE=...'. It should be consistent. -- Best regards, mse Using The Bat! v4.1.11.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Yes the dialogue in last beta build is more usable than old one. Thanks -- Mackley Italy Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
domingo, 26 abr 2009 at 11:06, it seems you wrote: Do you think that the new Postponed Sending dialogue is easier to understand or even harder to understand? There were some TBBETA subscribers that have found the old one very perplexing. We need your feedback. Here it's my opinion. When we are creating/editing delayed profiles I think the dialog it's perfect. But when we are defining a custom delay for a message I think the more button should not be applied here. I suggest you to place the text with the real date-time of the sending without pressing any button, because it's a good way to test the info we set on the dialog. On the custom delay I think the template and the calendar selection doesn't applies. -- /\/ Using The Bat! 4.1.11.18 Professional / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Moderator of Spanish TBUDL Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Maxim, Do you think that the new Postponed Sending dialogue is easier to understand or even harder to understand? There were some TBBETA subscribers that have found the old one very perplexing. We need your feedback. I didn't install the two previous versions, so I can't compare. But I have to assume that current one is easier. Anyway, I'll make a couple of comments that perhaps might be useful. 'Postponed Sending' is correct for the dialog title but, in purity, the term 'postponed' would apply only to the first part of the dialog. That is, 'Send in 2 hrs', or 'Send in 10 minutes', etc. Aside of that, the word 'postponed' may not be understood by some (i.e. Gunivortus had to look it up in the dictionary). So, my suggestion would be to make the title be 'Postponed/Scheduled Sending'. This way, the 'scheduled' part of the title applies to the lower half of the dialog because you are *scheduling* it to go on an specific date and time. Now, for the first part. 'Hold Over' is not clear and is not correct English. It should be either 'Hold for' or 'Send in'. That is, 'Hold for 2 hrs' or 'Send in 2 hrs'. But if you want to make it as clear as possible to the user, I would leave the upper block as follows: -- Hold for... ( ) Hours ( ) Minutes ( ) Seconds ... and then send. -- The second block would be much clearer if the block title was 'Schedule to Send on Specific Date/Time'. And for the third one (after clicking on 'More'), to be correct the text should read: If a message *is* postponed now, ... My 2c. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Postponed Sending dialogue
Hello Miguel, Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:03:40 AM, among other things, you wrote: M 'Postponed Sending' is correct for the dialog title but, in purity, the M term 'postponed' would apply only to the first part of the dialog. That M is, 'Send in 2 hrs', or 'Send in 10 minutes', etc. Aside of that, the M word 'postponed' may not be understood by some (i.e. Gunivortus had to M look it up in the dictionary). So, my suggestion would be to make the M title be 'Postponed/Scheduled Sending'. This way, the 'scheduled' part M of the title applies to the lower half of the dialog because you are M *scheduling* it to go on an specific date and time. I agree with the logic of all of this but suggest that Delayed instead of Postponed *will* be more more likely to be understood by most non native English speakers, who have their TB installed in English! M Now, for the first part. 'Hold Over' is not clear and is not correct M English. Agreed. M It should be either 'Hold for' or 'Send in'. That is, 'Hold for M 2 hrs' or 'Send in 2 hrs'. But if you want to make it as clear as M possible to the user, I would leave the upper block as follows: M -- M Hold for... or Send after M ( ) Hours ( ) Minutes ( ) Seconds M ... and then send. M -- M The second block would be much clearer if the block title was 'Schedule M to Send on Specific Date/Time'. I would be happy with, Send on Date/Time: M And for the third one (after clicking on 'More'), to be correct the text M should read: M If a message *is* postponed now, ... I suggest simply, The message is scheduled to be sent on 27th April 2009 at 06.15 (using the TB example date and time) It is not clear to me just what is the need for Test against an arbitrary date and time in the future. I also do not find the Less button title immediately intuitive and I don't see that it is really needed at all. I only hope this does not confuse the issue even more. :) -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v4.1.11.18 POP3with AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
