[SOT] Babylon and TB (WAS: Re: A draft folder)
Hello Mark, Nobody told you about Babylon then? Does it work for you with TB? I downloaded the trial version but, when I click on (or select) a word in TB's message pane or editor, Babylon gets garbage. Works fine with Word, IE, etc. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello Vili, Wednesday, March 5, 2008, 9:01:57 PM, you wrote: V E.g. Google it What do you mean by that? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.0.14.9 with MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 2:31:43) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Dear David_E, @4-Mar-2008, 17:56 David Elliott [DE] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip Create a new folder. Name it Draft. Okay - don't do that. Call it Deferred outbox instead and let it hold the messages you have finished and don't want to send yet. Let the outbox hold drafts as parked. You now have *exactly* what you asked for. And look - no testing, no development, no bloat, no extra system folder that only a few want or think they need. ... snip DE A sensible suggestion please. It remains sensible and will achieve the separation you want with no need for a new / permanent system folder that has to be created for all, even those of us that really don't want it or see the point of having it. DE 1) Extra and unnecessary effort to do this. Once, in creating the folder. Using it is the same as if it were a system folder. DE 2) To edit it I need to move it back to the Outbox. Yes - but turn it around to only hold completed mails and it's job done. How would you propose sending a mail from a Draft folder? It's still a matter of moving, or clicking or right clicking or opening and sending or well, doing *something*. So, no user overhead there. DE 3) Extra and unnecessary effort to undo this. As opposed to the complete inability to undo it if it were a permanent system folder?? Sensible arguments, please! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.9 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpAw6A9ZT0oS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello Paul, I have trained new computer and/or computer program users for 20 years. The Parked in Outbox concept is not intuitive and I cannot recall a single user figuring this out on their own. Don't waste your time. As I have said, it is a completely lost battle. In Spain we say that: There is no worse deaf than that who doesn't want to listen :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Dear Paul, @5-Mar-2008, 07:14 -0500 (05-Mar 12:14 here) Paul Van Noord [PVN] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip PVN years. The Parked in Outbox concept is not intuitive and I cannot PVN recall a single user figuring this out on their own. I don't actually buy that. Fact: you are editing a message. You have 4 disposition buttons at the top (and menu options). Hover help tells you Save as draft on the 3rd button. Every single user can figure that much out. It is a totally minor reach to discover the saved draft message in the outbox. The default column configuration shows the parked flag. What's to figure out? Fact: hit F1 while editing a message - even a novice user knows how to get help. There it is, plain English (or whatever is the language used in the translation being run), in the help: ,--/ From TB help \-- Save message as draft 1. Go to Message 2. Select Save message as draft Note: Your message will be put in the Outbox, flagged as draft preventing The Bat! from sending it `--\ End /-- While I accept that conceptually a user may not come up with the Parked in Outbox blindly, I do not accept that it is not obvious when you need to use it. I don't have a problem with the request for the feature. I have a real problem with the weak arguments and flawed logic used to support the request. PVN Some struggle with it constantly. I monitor these lists and the forums - I get full email feeds as an admin. This is not even an FAQ let alone a constant gripe. If you want to argue a point, facts help. I accept that you may have a different source of user enquiry and I'm only talking about the official TB support channels. PVN As with you I appreciate TB's way but as a trainer of new users I PVN assure you a Drafts folder is far more intuitive. Only if you came from software that had one and, as a new user, you are looking for the feature without actually trying to use it. PVN The argument that it is redundant is invalid as there are many of PVN those in TB and most software. If it were valid why are there PVN formatting buttons in the editor? We already have the menus and PVN hot keys! Here, you are talking about 2 routes to the same functionality - standard throughout just about every windows application - menu functions replicated in handy toolbars. That argument has no connection to the request for a separate drafts folder. It's a whole different scale of work involved. Most IDEs have a very simple mechanism for tying menu functions to toolbars. The kind of redundancy I'm talking about means having to write reams of new code to support something that adds nothing new. It may happen - I don't know. I know that, as a programmer I wouldn't like to do it. For all I know, it may even require a complete re-write of the outbox functionality. Like I say - you, and others, may want the feature and I don't actually object to the request. I just object that nobody seems to be able to make a sensible argument in favour of it without using flawed logic and exaggeration. That's not a challenge, btw. I've said all I'm going to say on this topic. Over to the wishlist and the whim of the RITs. ;-) -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.9 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpAXe10TVpPd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
PVN years. The Parked in Outbox concept is not intuitive and I cannot PVN recall a single user figuring this out on their own. I don't actually buy that. Fact: you are editing a message. You have 4 disposition buttons at the top (and menu options). Hover help tells you Save as draft on the 3rd button. Every single user can figure that much out I buy that. It may have been a good solution when people had a couple of mail accounts but these days some people have dozens. If someone uses drafts extensively they are scattered over several inboxes. The way most people use email, it just makes sense to consolidate them into one place. We already have the new feature that allows us to change what account is used to send and email from within the editor. If you change the account, where will it save the draft? ... or re-save it? -- Rick Republican tax breaks for large corporations: Remember them the next time you see a CEO with hundreds of million$ in their golden parachute All that money came from somewhere. v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello Rick, The way most people use email, it just makes sense to consolidate them into one place. For example as shown in attachment? :) - Single draft folder for any number of accounts. - No risk of accidentally sending any unfinished messages. - No need to park messages (even as draft) - Once finished, messages will be queued/sent on appropriate account. - Works a treat. - ® Patent pending, © MAU :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 attachment: Unique DRAFT folder.png Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello MAU, - Single draft folder for any number of accounts. - No risk of accidentally sending any unfinished messages. - No need to park messages (even as draft) - Once finished, messages will be queued/sent on appropriate account. - Works a treat. And I forgot to say that any new message, reply or forward on any account is automatically a DRAFT until you decide you are really done. And if you use the 'Auto-save' editor option, the message(s) will be saved in the DRAFT folder. This is the attachment I should have sent before, the previous one is wrong. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 attachment: Unique DRAFT2.png Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello Rick, The way most people use email, it just makes sense to consolidate them into one place. For example as shown in attachment? :) - Single draft folder for any number of accounts. - No risk of accidentally sending any unfinished messages. - No need to park messages (even as draft) - Once finished, messages will be queued/sent on appropriate account. - Works a treat. - ® Patent pending, © MAU :) Good points. It reflects the changing ways that people use email. -- Rick If one candidate’s trying to scare you, and the other one’s trying to get you to think; if one candidate’s appealing to your fears, and the other one’s appealing to your hopes; you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope. - Bill Clinton, 2004 v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Don't waste your time. As I have said, it is a completely lost battle. In Spain we say that: There is no worse deaf than that who doesn't want to listen :) And I understand from a psychiatrist friend who lived in pre-Castro Cuba, there is a Cuban saying, The tongue is the enemy of the neck! MAU has recently seen the light and has rejoined the revolution :)) -- Rick Republican Priorities: ME first, party second, country - last v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello Bob, And I understand from a psychiatrist friend who lived in pre-Castro Cuba, How old is your friend, about 200? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello Rick, MAU has recently seen the light and has rejoined the revolution :) No, you're wrong. Because I already HAVE a working DRAFT folder :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello Rick, MAU has recently seen the light and has rejoined the revolution :) No, you're wrong. Because I already HAVE a working DRAFT folder :) Please see my reply to Mr Goos :)) -- Rick If one candidate’s trying to scare you, and the other one’s trying to get you to think; if one candidate’s appealing to your fears, and the other one’s appealing to your hopes; you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope. - Bill Clinton, 2004 v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello Vili, Wednesday, March 5, 2008, 7:21:55 PM, you wrote: V As it is not available in TB, I V wrote a simple software for myself that sends the word on the V clipboard to Google or an online dictionary using system wide V shortcuts. Nobody told you about Babylon then? :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.0.14.9 with MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 11:54:27) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Rick, On 05-03-2008 17:28, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I buy that. It may have been a good solution when people had a couple of mail accounts but these days some people have dozens. If someone uses drafts extensively they are scattered over several inboxes. The way most people use email, it just makes sense to consolidate them into one place. Please don't. I might be in favour of a drafts folder since many other programs have them - but I want drafts to go into account separate folders and not some central. You can use a virtual folder for this if you want. The other thing is impossible for IMAP. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 4.0.14 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 12 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 1 POP3 MyGate, 300K+ msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Dear David_E, @4-Mar-2008, 03:54 David Elliott [DE] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: DE I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. DE Views ? Create a new folder. Name it Draft. Now drag any parked draft / unfinished message from the outbox to the Draft folder. Enjoy! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.9 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpAku6bIJRvD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello David, I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello David, I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 :) You will find me adding my 2 penny worth on 11 Dec 2005 at 12:36 Then you will know it is a completely lost battle :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello David, I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 :) You will find me adding my 2 penny worth on 11 Dec 2005 at 12:36 Then you will know it is a completely lost battle :) But your supporters are growing! -- Rick The American Republican Party: Supporting Big Business - serfdom for the people v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Dear David_E, Create a new folder. Name it Draft. Now drag any parked draft / unfinished message from the outbox to the Draft folder. Enjoy! :)):)):)):)):)):)):)) -- Rick If one candidate’s trying to scare you, and the other one’s trying to get you to think; if one candidate’s appealing to your fears, and the other one’s appealing to your hopes; you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope. - Bill Clinton, 2004 v4.0.14.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Dear David_E, @4-Mar-2008, 17:56 David Elliott [DE] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip DE I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. DE Views ? Create a new folder. Name it Draft. ... snip DE A sensible suggestion please. It was one. DE 1) Extra and unnecessary effort to do this. DE 2) To edit it I need to move it back to the Outbox. DE 3) Extra and unnecessary effort to undo this. ... snip The fact remains it is a minority request for which there is already sufficient functionality implemented in the software. The Parked in outbox method works superbly and the majority do NOT want to see TB bloated with redundant features to please the minority. The fact remains, parking remains the method used in *this* client for keeping drafts and postponed sends alike. A better (more palatable?) suggestion would be for you to define a colour group to differentiate the two and assign drafts a different colour to one or the other to make them stand out in the outbox. I suggest that last one is actually a far better solution than a drafts folder anyway. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.9 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpilZy0kmtiS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Greetings, I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 :) You will find me adding my 2 penny worth on 11 Dec 2005 at 12:36 Then you will know it is a completely lost battle :) Well said. That discussion has been around for years.g A parked message in the outbox is transparent to sending of queued mail. I'm not sure exactly why, but the concept of a draft folder falls on deaf ears at RIT Labs. Old habits are hard to break. I have *never* had a parked message get sent until I was ready (or goofed and ctrl-enter'ed the message accidentally). -- Neal Using TheBat! v4.0.14.5 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 AntispamSniper 2.7.1.7 OTFE enabled Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
On Tuesday, March 4, 2008, 3:05:23 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: The fact remains it is a minority request for which there is already sufficient functionality implemented in the software. The Parked in outbox method works superbly and the majority do NOT want to see TB bloated with redundant features to please the minority. That is what they said about an HTML viewer, an HTML editor, etc. Of course some of the reason that a minority of users are IMAP users is because of foot dragging. Certainly the minority need the bloat related to dealing with PGP. There may be good reasons/excuses, but this isn't one of them. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.14.9 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Dear Dwight, @4-Mar-2008, 18:57 -0600 (05-Mar 00:57 here) Dwight A Corrin [DC] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip The Parked in outbox method works superbly ... ... snip DC That is what they said about an HTML viewer, an HTML editor, etc. That existing HTML support worked well? Erm ... no that's not what was said. But it *is* what I'm saying about the handling of drafts in TB. ... snip DC Certainly the minority need the bloat related to dealing with PGP. PGP bloat would only have been bloat had it been added later. It was part of the *original* TB design and implementation - pre version 1. If you are going to take the route of calling innate functionality bloat then your argument becomes fundamentally flawed. DC There may be good reasons/excuses, but this isn't one of them. Like with like is the best way to compare. You've managed to not do that by only focusing on the last sentence of my post (which maybe I shouldn't even have bothered to say) and not the meaning. I think that the above quote from my post - the meat of what I was actually saying - *is* very far from what was said about HTML support. Yes the no bloat here is always a poor excuse when a feature is entirely lacking or the way of getting the functionality is convoluted. But my point was not about minority requests but about requests for functionality that already exists and works well. I accept that you (and others) like the idea of having a separate drafts folder. A folder you can edit messages in and they would never be sent. I personally don't think this idea offers any *new* functionality. I like keeping my drafts in the outbox, neatly parked, all in one place. Colour coding works well for differentiation if needed. if Stef or Max want to add a folder in which you could edit messages without them being sent ... up to them really. shrug What *could* be useful, and would make my initial suggestion of a roll your own drafts folder workable (I accept that it won't actually work as stands) would be making the Parked flag sticky across folders, so that messages can be moved in and out of the outbox without losing their parked status. That could help. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.9 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpBqMKQjMYSd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hey Marck and the group, snip What *could* be useful, and would make my initial suggestion of a roll your own drafts folder workable (I accept that it won't actually work as stands) would be making the Parked flag sticky across folders, so that messages can be moved in and out of the outbox without losing their parked status. That could help. I believe Thunderbird offers the option during setup to use one set of local folders as a catch-all for all accounts, or stay with a folder group for each account. It's not *our* precedent, but one all the same. I guess we all have out little pet peeves with TB - mine being a single SMTP for all accounts (in addition to the standard behavior let's not go OT on this). -- Neal Using TheBat! v4.0.14.5 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 AntispamSniper 2.7.1.7 OTFE enabled Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hi David, Monday, March 3, 2008, 8:54:46 PM, you wrote: Hello All, I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. Views ? It is something I have been asking for since ver 1.3. Personally view. I want a draft folder because to me there is a difference between 1) A message in the outbox that is complete but you do not want to send yet and 2) A message the you have not finished editing but can not complete. I have need for both but they both get parked in the outbox and I can not tell the difference with out 'flagging' it in some way. I agree with you. I don't wish to accidentally send a half-finished draft from the outbox. I have seen different ways of implementing this. Pegasus mail has a separate view for the outbox (identified as queued mail). Pegasus also has a separate view for saved messages. I am not a programmer, however, and so have no idea how difficult it is to implement a difference for the user between an outbox (queued mail) and saved mail (drafts). The old Eudora (version 7.01, not the new Thunderbird version) stores both queued mail (composed and completed messages sent when Eudora is in offline mode) and saved drafts in the outbox. The queued mail shows in the outbox with a Q and the saved mails show as a green circle. There is a command for sending queued mail, but the saved drafts remain in the outbox until one changes the status of a queued message to sendable. Then when the command is given to send all queued mail, all that is in queue is sent (but not saved drafts, until any given one is changed in status to sendable). Bob Riley. Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
On Monday, March 3, 2008, 9:54:46 PM, David Elliott wrote: I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. Views ? agree. stand by my comments from last time this was futilely urged. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.14.9 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hallo David, On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:54:46 +GMT (4-3-2008, 4:54 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DE I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. For myself I see no use whatsoever for a draft folder. -- Groetjes, Roelof Fatal System Error: (A)bort (R)etry (G)et OS/2 http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.14.9 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpWyqF9ITLib.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Guten Tag David Elliott, am Dienstag, 4. März 2008 um 04:54 schrieben Sie: I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. Views ? I don't mind having a draft folder, i see the usability for it in some situations, right now, i don't need it urgently. But from recent experiences i see i will need it in future, some day. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.0.14.9 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Hello Roger, M I am quite sure that Stephan decided years ago that he will never M implement a Drafts folder. Quite sure :) If that really is the case, then my suggestion is that all messages that are put in the Outbox by TB should be 'Marked as Unread'; then a 'Drafts' virtual folder attached to the Outbox will become Bolded' whenever it contains a message. In other words the Outbox will then be the same as any other folder. What do you think? I've tried many different 'workarounds', including a separate DRAFT account (so there would be no risk of drafts being sent), and I just don't see or understand why there can't be a DRAFT folder separate and independent of Outbox. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.71 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.70.10 'Qigong' | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A draft folder
On Saturday, February 18, 2006, 8:53:14 AM, Paul Van Noord wrote: RP Making all Outbox messages marked as Unread may have RP implications as far as behaviour during actual despatch is RP concerned but if that is the case it should be possible to RP programme to allow for it. A Drafts folder is the only solution that is obvious and does not require an explanation. Because of this fact the solution seems obvious to me. wholeheartedly concur. Please support the wish for a 'DRAFT' folder at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.70.10 Qigong (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.70.10 'Qigong' | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A draft folder
Hi Dwight A Corrin, Saturday, February 18, 2006 you let us know -possibly edited- : A Drafts folder is the only solution that is obvious and does not require an explanation. Because of this fact the solution seems obvious to me. We are getting more and more :) -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.71 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.70.10 'Qigong' | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A draft folder
Hello Dwight! On Saturday, February 18, 2006, 9:35 AM, you wrote: Please support the wish for a 'DRAFT' folder at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 No use. It's Stefan's decision and he seems to be against it from a philosophical and not merely a marketing point of view. See MAU's comment, mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I put a long supporting note to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 on December 18, 2005. But discussion of the need for a Drafts folder at that time on TBBETA made it clear that there is a slim-to-none chance of Stefan's changing his mind. See this to MAU: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] One of Stefan's comments on how the virtual folder solves the need for a separate Drafts folder. (You'll recall that he was making the same points to you and to me at about that time, Dwight; I really think there is not much hope that he will see the need and change his mind). I would like to have it, but I have learned to get along okay without it, and I am tired of putting my energy into trying to get it. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.71 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.70.10 'Qigong' | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A draft folder
Please support the wish for a 'DRAFT' folder at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 MB It's Stefan's decision and he seems to be against it from a MB philosophical and not merely a marketing point of view. Yeah, very pity. It's more or less even nessesary for me. Well, it'll force me and my companions to use another program when we write our manuscripts, which are sent to eachother after a few days of working on it. That needs in our views a separate folder. As it's blocked, I don't see the need to produce more arguments, I don't expect he's open for that. Pity. -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 3.71 under XP Pro, SP2 Current beta is 3.70.10 'Qigong' | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A draft folder
Hello Roger, On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] RP then my suggestion would make a VF for Drafts a more practical RP alternative. Or do as I've already shown and make your own draft messages pending icon for the outbox. That for me was an easier solution and one less able to be affected by the occasional vagaries of the VF system as Beta versions come out. Don't get me wrong, I supported the wish for a Draft folder but, when needs must ;-) -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.71 with SpamPal POP3 account and no Plug-ins | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.70.10 'Qigong' | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A draft folder
Hello Roger, I will leave the matter for now and hope that Ritlabs do something soon about a Drafts folder, though it's not clear whether they intend to comply with the request for one! I am quite sure that Stephan decided years ago that he will never implement a Drafts folder. Quite sure :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.71 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.70.10 'Qigong' | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A draft folder
Hello Roger, On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] RP If that really is the case, then my suggestion is that all messages RP that are put in the Outbox by TB should be 'Marked as Unread'; then a RP 'Drafts' virtual folder attached to the Outbox will become Bolded' RP whenever it contains a message. In other words the Outbox will then RP be the same as any other folder. In my own icon set I have it so that, when I save a message as Draft, the outgoing green icon changes to a nice and very prominent red one so that I know I have a Draft message in the outbox. For me it works just fine but I can well see other points of view as well. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.71 with SpamPal POP3 account and no Plug-ins | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.htmlattachment: draft.JPG Current beta is 3.70.10 'Qigong' | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A draft folder
Hello Roger, Can anyone please tell me the outcome of the recent debate about having a separate 'Drafts' folder. I cannot find anything in the Bugtraq archive https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.70.08 Qigong (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.70.08 quot;Qigongquot; | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Draft folder doesn't refresh when filter applys
Manuel, On 27-04-2005 11:01, you [MB] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MB When I send a message, message is put into Outbox, Outbox is marked MB bold, indicates one message, status at the bottom says sent, but MB draft folder doesn't refresh automatically. Confirmed for local outbox with Exchange IMAP for the last - at least - 10 builds. MB This happens only when an outgoing filter matches. Otherwise the MB message is moved into the sent folder and Outbox refreshes MB automatically. Yes. MB I have a local Outbox, but this also happens in the same way if MB I use server Outbox. Here not - Mailmax with remote outbox. Moved by filter immediately. MB This happens since I use IMAP with TB! and isn't related to this MB beta as far as I know... Exactly. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.9.19 Return Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.0.9.19 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Draft folder doesn't refresh when filter applys
On Wednesday, April 27, 2005 at 4:01:17 AM [GMT -0500], Manuel Breitfeld wrote: When I send a message, message is put into Outbox, Outbox is marked bold, indicates one message, status at the bottom says sent, but draft folder doesn't refresh automatically. Outbox stays bold and indicates this sent message. I have to manually select this folder by typing on it and the message disappears and is filtered correctly. This happens only when an outgoing filter matches. Otherwise the message is moved into the sent folder and Outbox refreshes automatically. Using a Local Outbox here, but not having the problem and I do filter outgoing mail, but to a local folder. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.0.9.18 Return System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Never try to out stare a cat. They've got no eyelids. Current beta is 3.0.9.19 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Draft folder doesn't refresh when filter applys
On Wednesday, April 27, 2005 at 5:18:08 AM [GMT -0500], Allie_M wrote: Using a Local Outbox here, but not having the problem and I do filter outgoing mail, but to a local folder. I just changed to filtering outgoing mail to a server side mailbox. I'm experiencing something similar. Though the outgoing message is filtered, the Outbox continues to be shown as containing a message. Upon selecting the Outbox, it reverts to showing no mail. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.0.9.18 Return System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Every thing in this world is an idea acted on. Current beta is 3.0.9.19 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Draft folder doesn't refresh when filter applys
Hello Allie, just now (on 04/27/2005 at 12:24) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm experiencing something similar. Though the outgoing message is filtered, the Outbox continues to be shown as containing a message. Upon selecting the Outbox, it reverts to showing no mail. Okay, wasn't clear in my posting. This is what I experience, too. The message is filtered, but Outbox updates only when selecting it. -- Bye, Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de The Bat! 3.0.9.19 Return, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 Current beta is 3.0.9.19 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
