Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
Hi RS, Hi Maxim, I don't know the full reply to your question, but the common folders in the default location should be removed, it's a bug that they are not removed. Do you know if it's a Folder (not Common Folder) should it to be removed as well? You distinguish Folder and Common Folder in TB!. I assume that both types should be removed and it shouldn't matter which type it is, right? Rechecked with uninstalling of 5.0.20.1. Database was created with 4.2.22 and imported to 5.0.20.1 - might be irrelevant but I don't know. Mentioned below CF and F were created in 5.0.20.1 and some e-mails were copied into them. Testing for default location: a) Stand Alone CF1, b) CF2 with F1 created inside, c) F2 moved out of CF1 d) CF3 with moved in CF4 and F3 //* (CF - Common Folder (ALT+INS), F - Folder (INS)) Directories 'a' and 'c' were removed while uninstalling. So, CF stand Alone and F moved out to a main tree were removed. Directories 'b' and 'd' were not removed. From above it's visible that CF were left intact if there was F inside. It's likely that TB! checks first if within subfolders structure is even one F ; and if there is any it's not removing data. It means that any CF folder set up by a customer will never be deleted. Looks like if there is a CF and F mix they are not removed at all. If somebody is really sorting e-mails info folders that part will always be left behind. If it's based on VF only, VF info is removed. However my IMAP account is a mystery for me (below). -- Apart of above, following items from my TBK file were left intact after uninstall (Keep Data box unchecked). - Full Common Folders Structure, //* Started with CF and F created inside, - IMAP account data (assume it's a full on - 42MB file) - imgfiles directory, two zero size files (FilesDB.info and *.info_) - Folder of my POP3 account: Protocol.ini ; Account.M_D ; Account.M_R ; Account.RND - files: smimernd.bin ; AddrHistory.CDB ; GROUPS.cfg ; downloadrules.dat ; POP_AP_PL.log ; thebatexceptions.log ; ex_log.txt -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Monday, August 1, 2011 (13:50 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.22.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
Hi Maxim, Data Folder: D:\TB4\DB\ Program was removed. Most of data was left in data folder. This is intentional, we are reluctant do delete data from non-standard locations since this data may be shared with other programs. We had bad experienced before when The Bat! have deleted more data then needed. So if in question, we would better delete less data than more. OK, in some cases might be logical to not remove more than minimum :) If the user have configured The Bat! to use a custom folder, then the user knows the exact location of this folder and can delete it entirely. Yep, you right - I knew where it was so I was able to check if it's still there :) To be honest, after reading Rit's description in uninstaller (the one how to remove data as well) ; and the one shown while uninstalling I expected it to be removed :) However, it's not clear (at least wasn't for me) so IMO user should be warned (ex: while setting customized location or while removing - the best would be both) that data won't be removed if he changes the location from a standard one to it's own location :) -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Sunday, July 31, 2011 (02:16 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.22.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
On Sunday, July 31, 2011, 5:57:14 AM, RS (FEDARA) wrote: However, it's not clear (at least wasn't for me) so IMO user should be warned (ex: while setting customized location or while removing - the best would be both) that data won't be removed if he changes the location from a standard one to it's own location :) I think one reason one might choose a location other than the default would be to protect it from removal by removal of the software. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.22.2 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.22.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
Hi Dwight, On Sunday, July 31, 2011, 5:57:14 AM, RS (FEDARA) wrote: However, it's not clear (at least wasn't for me) so IMO user should be warned (ex: while setting customized location or while removing - the best would be both) that data won't be removed if he changes the location from a standard one to it's own location :) I think one reason one might choose a location other than the default would be to protect it from removal by removal of the software. Or not to have it on C partition as it installed by default :) Anyway, IMO user should be given info while changing default folder (and preferably while uninstalling and un-checking 'Keep data..' that folder is not to be removed. After reading information provided for uninstalling and while uninstalling I wasn't given any clue that it's to be left on HDD. Anyway, is there any reason why C partition is used why creating backup? Both program and DB are set to a different partition. -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Monday, August 1, 2011 (01:30 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.22.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
Hello RS, Sunday, July 31, 2011, 12:34:51 PM, you wrote: Anyway, IMO user should be given info while changing default folder (and preferably while uninstalling and un-checking 'Keep data..' that folder is not to be removed. We are not sure that the information will not be removed. We would like to remove it, but it's hard to know whether somebody else use it or not. Also, sometimes there may be cases when there is not possible to remove data because The Bat! doesn't know what to remove, i.e. a user may create a folder or an account in non-default location and select from the menu Delete with an option to keep account file in place. But if a user have not yet deleted such non-standard account of folder, The Bat! may remove it. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.22.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
Hi Maxim, RS Anyway, IMO user should be given info while changing default RS folder (and preferably while uninstalling and un-checking RS 'Keep data..' that folder is not to be removed. Maxim We are not sure that the information will not be removed. We Maxim would like to remove it, but it's hard to know whether Maxim somebody else use it or not. Also, sometimes there may be Maxim cases when there is not possible to remove data because The Maxim Bat! doesn't know what to remove, i.e. a user may create a Maxim folder or an account in non-default location and select from Maxim the menu Delete with an option to keep account file in Maxim place. But if a user have not yet deleted such non-standard Maxim account of folder, The Bat! may remove it. Let me ask a different question :) Should Common Folders set up in TB! for e-mails sorting be removed while Keep Data is unchecked for following cases: - TB! is installed at default location, - TB! has appointed a different location for Database. If common folders for default installation are to be removed they should be removed as well in case of appointing a different location. Or, am I mistaken in my logic :) -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Monday, August 1, 2011 (10:36 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.22.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
Hello RS, I don't know the full reply to your question, but the common folders in the default location should be removed, it's a bug that they are not removed. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.22.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
Hi Maxim, I don't know the full reply to your question, but the common folders in the default location should be removed, it's a bug that they are not removed. Do you know if it's a Folder (not Common Folder) should it to be removed as well? You distinguish Folder and Common Folder in TB!. I assume that both types should be removed and it shouldn't matter which type it is, right? -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Monday, August 1, 2011 (12:22 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.22.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
Ignore that one for a time being please. That e-mail was not supposed to be sent yet - just my notes while testing on the notebook... I would swear that I pressed F2... :( Trying all of them once more just to make sure I'm not mistaken. Hi, Checked data removal in following cases: - 5.0.20.1 installed with standard settings Program Folder: C:\Program Files (x86)\The Bat!\ Data Folder: %APPDATA%\The Bat! All data were removed properly. - 5.0.20.1 installed over 4.2.22 ; Program Folder: C:\WINAPPS\INTERNET\TB4\ Data Folder: D:\TB4\DB\ Program was removed. Most of data was left in data folder. - 5.0.20.1 clean installation Program Folder: C:\WINAPPS\INTERNET\TB4\ Data Folder: D:\TB4\DB\ Program was removed. Most of data was left in data folder. - 5.0.22.1 Wanted to test it as well as a clean install but probably due to the reason it's ALPHA there is no TB! in uninstall programs after it was clean installed and DB was imported. After I run it over 5.0.20.1 program in uninstall part was marked 5.0.20.1 and anyway uninstall with non standard folder DB failed as well. -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Sunday, July 31, 2011 (01:09 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.22.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
Hello RS, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 12:01:47 PM, you wrote: Data Folder: D:\TB4\DB\ Program was removed. Most of data was left in data folder. This is intentional, we are reluctant do delete data from non-standard locations since this data may be shared with other programs. We had bad experienced before when The Bat! have deleted more data then needed. So if in question, we would better delete less data than more. If the user have configured The Bat! to use a custom folder, then the user knows the exact location of this folder and can delete it entirely. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.22.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
Hello Marek, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 1:31:04 PM, you wrote: and about registry entries, are You able to allow removing them via Instashield? Do you mean that The Bat! uninstall does not remove registry entries? -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.22.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Data removal while uninstalling (Pyrric Victory)
Hello Marek, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 1:31:04 PM, you wrote: If user installs OTFE and needs to change it, uninstall and new install is not possible without manual registry editing :-( If you select to remove all data during the uninstall, the registry entries are also deleted, isn't it? -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 5.0.22.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
