Thread by Subject/Sort by Date Obscures New Messages

2001-12-19 Thread Ron Mura

Version 1.54 beta 15 introduced this change:

[*] Oldest messages are used as thread roots for threading by
subject/from/to

This causes problems when both threading by subject and sorting by
received date (in descending order) are used.  Typically when you have
a folder sorted by date  you want to see new messages at the top,
and that's the way it worked until beta 15.

Now, if there is another message in the folder with the same subject,
the new message gets buried under it.  This can be a particular
inconvenience in folders with large number of messages.  I've to use
View/Display/Only Unread messages just to find some new messages.

Suggestion: If a folder is sorted by received date or created date in
descending order, do not use the oldest message as the thread root,
but rather use the NEWEST message as the root.

Ron


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Re: Thread by Subject/Sort by Date Obscures New Messages

2001-12-19 Thread Allie C Martin

On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:06:12 -0500, Ron Mura [RM] wrote these
comments:
...
RM This causes problems when both threading by subject and sorting by
RM received date (in descending order) are used. Typically when you
RM have a folder sorted by date you want to see new messages at the
RM top, and that's the way it worked until beta 15.

RM Now, if there is another message in the folder with the same
RM subject, the new message gets buried under it. This can be a
RM particular inconvenience in folders with large number of messages.
RM I've to use View/Display/Only Unread messages just to find some
RM new messages.

RM Suggestion: If a folder is sorted by received date or created date
RM in descending order, do not use the oldest message as the thread
RM root, but rather use the NEWEST message as the root.

Hmmm. I see what you mean.

Before this new feature was introduced, I used to sort messages in
descending order of received time and the oldest message would start
the thread with the messages getting newer as I go down. This is my
personal preference and it works for me. Finding new messages doesn't
require digging since I just use the 'go to next unread message'
navigation option (CTRL-]).

I don't believe in imposing style on others and having the oldest
message *always* at the top of the thread, no matter the sorting order
chosen by dates (this is what appears to be the case after testing)
seems like a bad move to me. Are there those who would wish to sort in
*ascending* order of date and yet wish for the oldest message to be at
the top?

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Re: Thread by Subject/Sort by Date Obscures New Messages

2001-12-19 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On 19 Dec 2001, 8:15:19 AM, Allie C Martin wrote:

 Are there those who would wish to sort in *ascending* order of date
 and yet wish for the oldest message to be at the top?

My general practice is to sort by created time, with the newest on
top. But when I toggle to threaded view to put a message in context,
it seems logical to me that the thread be headed by the message which
began it. As a thread grows, there are answers to third generation
messages which are later than answers to 5th generation messages. What
does the sorting do when there are multiple messages with identical
date and time from different branches of the thread of you try to
display from bottom up. Admitted this won't happen often, but since it
can happen the code would have to deal with it.

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