Re: delete msg in VF = delete msg in source folder - why?
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:55:32 +0200, MAU wrote: Have you ever used the Mail Ticker? Well, all Mail Ticker is, is a VF. Well, not quite. One of the great assets of the Mail Ticker[tm] is the possibility to actually _browse_ through the messages in it (in a separate window called browse ticker messages. Virtual Folders don't have this functionality. Which, I think, is a pity. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
delete msg in VF = delete msg in source folder - why?
Question as in subject. I had an impression that VF are only collections
of symbolic links to messages contained in actual folders. It imlies that
msg deleted in actual folder disapperas from VF, but not opposite -
deleting message from VF does NOT delete msg in actual folder.
Am I right or not? :-I
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudacik
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Re: delete msg in VF = delete msg in source folder - why?
Krzysztof Kudlacik, [KK] wrote: KK According to this logic I have to explode on mine in oreder to KK lern simple truth that walking on mine field is not healthy way of KK life (of die) ;) I think you may be overstating the issue a tad. :) Prior to using VF's you knew that hitting delete would delete the message and send it to the trash or wherever you configure your delete command to do (you know that you can now specify what deleting does, right?) Now, if you know beforehand, as you now do, that deleting a message in a VF deletes the actual message, why do you feel like you're in a mine field? :) - If you reply to a message in a VF, the actual message is flagged as replied. - If you flag a message in a VF, the actual message is flagged. - If you mark a message in a VF as read or unread, the actual message is correspondingly marked as read or unread. - If you forward a message in a VF, the actual message is flagged as forwarded. - If you change a message in a VF's colour group, the actual messages colour group is correspondingly changed. There's a pattern, isn't there? :) So, if you delete a message in a VF, what do you think will happen then?? :) This is why I don't think it's misleading. In fact, if the actual message were not correspondingly deleted as happens with everything else you choose to do with a message in a VF, it would be unusual. A VF gives you the opportunity to handle a message via a different container. What you do to the message from that container actually happens to the message. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.10 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: delete msg in VF = delete msg in source folder - why?
On 2004-04-18 (21:01), you wrote:
Yes. I want to find large messages to delete to save space in my
mailbox.
Why cant you use 'view modes' - they are very good for this. ;]
I therefor use the search folder Large messages and when I
have decided what to delete
If you use 'search' option, then (again) VF seems to be useless.
It's obviously a matter of opinions.
I am aware of this - I only want to have 'safe' option: do not touch
acutal folder. That's all.
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Re: delete msg in VF = delete msg in source folder - why?
On 2004-04-18 (21:27), you wrote:
There's a pattern, isn't there? :)
The is but it does'nt proof what you want. See below ;]
So, if you delete a message in a VF, what do you think will happen
then?? :) This is why I don't think it's misleading.
Not this way. My preferred way of handling VF is: different folder =
different way of working - especially: different context menu. I can
imagine easylliy, that 'delete from VF' is NOT the same, as 'delete from
message base'. This is my point.
For now we have: view modes / common folders / VF / common VF - in this
context VF have less and less differences from acutal folder! In my
opinion, end-user is left with total confusion about the main goal of this
*different* (?) functions. And this is my base fear - TB! becomes less and
less intuitive for end-user, though it is the most powerfull e-mail client
under Win.
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Re: delete msg in VF = delete msg in source folder - why?
Krzysztof Kudlacik, [KK] wrote: KK I can imagine easylliy, that 'delete from VF' is NOT the same, as KK 'delete from message base'. This is my point. I see your point a long time ago. It's just that IMO, it's inconsistent and I disagree with it. :) I doubt we'll convince each other so I agree to disagree with you on this. BTW, inexperienced endusers (newbies) may have preconceived ideas, but they're far more accommodating to changing them. As a result, I don't see the current behaviour as being a problem for newbies. One thing I can say is that newbies appreciate consistency. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.10 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: delete msg in VF = delete msg in source folder - why?
On Sunday, April 18, 2004, at 21:36:44 [UTC+0200] (Sunday, April 18, 2004 21:36 my local time) Krzysztof Kudlacik wrote: Yes. I want to find large messages to delete to save space in my mailbox. Why cant you use 'view modes' - they are very good for this. ;] Unfortunately, View Modes are not capable to display messages from many folders. This feature is assigned only to Virtual Folders, therefore they can search through all accounts and folders tree. I therefor use the search folder Large messages and when I have decided what to delete If you use 'search' option, then (again) VF seems to be useless. Not in such a case. VFs created on the base of searching have bugs (they cannot display of search results if searching is done in message text), but in general, they are quite usable. It's obviously a matter of opinions. I am aware of this - I only want to have 'safe' option: do not touch acutal folder. That's all. Safety is quite different thing, because you can implement safe deleting in account or folder properties. Then messages will not be deleted physically, because they will be moved to chosen folders. In my opinion, removing message from Virtual Folder without deleting it from source folder would be an inconsistency in implementation. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v2.10.01 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: delete msg in VF = delete msg in source folder - why?
Hi Allie, On Sunday, April 18, 2004 at 14:27 GMT -0500, authorities charged Allie Martin for writing: So, if you delete a message in a VF, what do you think will happen then?? :) The only thing I find not obvious is that the message will be deleted according to the deletion settings of the folder where the message really exists. The only time it is sort of confusing is when your search looks through multiple folders, each with different deletion settings. As far as I know, there is no obvious way of browsing virtually deleted messages, is there? -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 2.10.01 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
