Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Zeflash, On Mon, 3 May 2004 14:38:33 +0200 GMT (03/05/2004, 19:38 +0700 GMT), Zeflash wrote: Z OK. I didn't know my mail would trigger such a general debate about Z the position of TheBat in the mail industry :) We're a philosophical bunch when there are no betas to dissect. ;-) Z I'll recenter the subject to the problem at hand: the memory leak. Z Is this forum monitored by the developers at RitLabs? is this going to Z be taken in account for future releases? Some of the developers read this list. However, to get an issue fixed it usually helps better to add bugnotes to a bugreport. Z I take from some replies that the issue fixing process isn't something Z very reliable. Although a leak as someone pointed out is something Z that *shouldn't* be in a released product. It's just wrong. I agree with you here. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I know you think you understood what I said, but what you heard was not what I meant. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.10.01 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Thomas, Chemists convened on Monday, May 3, 2004 at 20:21 GMT +0700 to watch Thomas Fernandez synthesize: We're a philosophical bunch when there are no betas to dissect. ;-) ^^ I think you can omit this part and it would still be true. ;-) snip Z Although a leak as someone pointed out is something Z that *shouldn't* be in a released product. It's just wrong. I agree with you here. Perhaps I missed it, but I don't recall anyone noticing the issue while they were still in the beta cycle... Of course now that the bug has been revealed, hopefully the issue will be resolved quickly. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Ethan, Sunday, May 2, 2004, 7:42:55 AM, Ethan J. Mings wrote: EJM My proposal, make it work well on the IMAP front and then the market EJM will look at the product in a much better way. Are there any market statistics which indicate the importance of IMAP either presently or with regard to projected future interest? What I've seen on this list is a lot of personal opinions including some of my own. Although I may somewhat agree with your position which do seem to mirror Allie's on the future demand of IMAP, I have seen NO market statistics. If there are any market statistics to back up these opinions I would think RIT would listen. You know the old saying don't you? Money talks. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Ethan, Sunday, May 2, 2004, 2:42:55 PM, you wrote: EJM However, as IT specialists in client EJM settings continue to tell me They're the last ones you should listen to, let alone to believe! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 2.10.03 MyMacros 1.10 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 6:7:48) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Greg, On Sun, 2 May 2004 08:32:57 -0500 GMT (02/05/2004, 20:32 +0700 GMT), Greg Strong wrote: GS Are there any market statistics which indicate the importance of IMAP GS either presently or with regard to projected future interest? Not that I know of. But in my limited world of email contacts IMAP is showing its face more and more often. My guess is that the trend will continue, so even if we assume the market is very small at the moment, that might change in the future. But then, what is a small market? TB is a small player in the global POP3 clients market, and if it can gain a significant market share in the small market, this may boost their sales. I was amazed to learn from Jerry that hospitals (with 1000 computers) use IMAP. And that IT specialists in the industry look for the best, not the cheapest usable solution. (Well, I kind of guessed that when it comes to OP software, but my phantasy hadn't stretched to the email clients.) GS What I've seen on this list is a lot of personal opinions including some GS of my own. Although I may somewhat agree with your position which do GS seem to mirror Allie's on the future demand of IMAP, I have seen NO GS market statistics. If there are any market statistics to back up these GS opinions I would think RIT would listen. I must admit that I don't always follow Ritlabs's marketing strategies. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Don't wear your glasses on a blind date. You'll look better, and he will too. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.10.01 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: memory leaks in thebat! ??
I must admit that I don't always follow Ritlabs's marketing strategies. Amen. I would suggest a much stronger focus on making the product work in a business environment. The key is make the product work in large settings where IT departments are looking for applications that work extremely well and allow users good flexibility to get the job done. This is the opportunity that The Bat offers. Focus on the decision makers an stop fiddling with mini options. Money talks, money flows when results are achieved. Jerry -- Best regards, Ethan J. Mings E-mail Client:The Bat!(2.10.03) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: memory leaks in thebat! ??
On Sun, 2 May 2004 10:29:21 -0400, Ethan J. Mings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit that I don't always follow Ritlabs's marketing strategies. Amen. right. as far as i see, there is no strategy. I would suggest a much stronger focus on making the product work in a business environment. The key is make the product work in large settings where IT departments are looking for applications that work extremely well and allow users good flexibility to get the job done. This is the opportunity that The Bat offers. Focus on the decision makers an stop fiddling with mini options. Money talks, money flows when results are achieved. how i see things, ritlabs is a small company, with 49$ for a businness license they presumably live very well from the sales they make right now. no problem with this - but no perspective for the product too. i used the bat for years, and although i always had an eye what's going on at the market i never found a reason to switch. but right now with the scandalous events arround v2 (the full support of IMAP story) i actively evaluating alternatives. (..for my own use. i let some of my business clients evaluate it but, although they grasped the bat is very powerful, they never climbed the learning curve - ergonomics never played a part in the bat's decisions :( ) as i see it, with the event of gmail we will have big changes in the way the normal user sees email. as a company, you could be prepared for this - but you don't have to if you made enough money until the wave hits the market. a pity, but that's my outlook for the bat on this grey sunday.. PAT -- Evaluating M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Clive! On Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 4:51:48 PM you wrote: I'm afraid that's over simplistic, Dierk. Always the semantition (argh), I am: My statement may have been too close as I only referred to one problem mentioned, the only one I am actually aware of, that is. But it sure wasn't simplistic, which, BTW, is a term describing your - perfectly understandable - notion that TB's IMAP implementation doesn't work while other clients' do. From what I've read here, TB's implementation is far from satisfying, let alone complete or perfect, but it does work ... sort of. I don't remember how many people mentioned the same trouble Allie has (no connection, or something very similar), but his to me is the closest to unworkable. So, take his case in this case as an illustration. The only thing I try to counter is the use of anecdotal evidence for broad and principal arguments. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.10.03 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Any fool can make a rule - and every fool can mind it. (Henry David Thoreau) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Patrick! On Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 5:06:06 PM you wrote: a pity, but that's my outlook for the bat on this grey sunday.. That's a nice pun. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.10.03 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request If it don't kill you, it just makes you stronger. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
On Sun, 2 May 2004 17:25:32 +0200, Dierk Haasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Patrick! On Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 5:06:06 PM you wrote: a pity, but that's my outlook for the bat on this grey sunday.. That's a nice pun. huh.. :)) totaly unintended.. but anyway, sorry for singing such melodramatic arias ;) -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Patrick, Since you guys are all so keen on providing us with your opinions: Sunday, May 2, 2004, 5:06:06 PM, you wrote: PE as i see it, with the event of gmail we will have big changes in the way ^^ Are we talking about the same thing? The beginning of the end for Google? PE a pity, but that's my outlook for the bat on this grey sunday.. Sun has been shining all day, over here :-) PE Evaluating M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: I would have liked very much to be able to use Opera (the Browser) for professional purposes. Alas, it's simply not possible. I'm not going to give M2 a second chance either. But then again, I don't need IMAP. To me IMAP is a dead born child, an excuse for raising prices and a nightmare for privacy. But if you like it, use it! The only way to find out if it's a VHS or a Betamax story... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 2.10.03 MyMacros 1.10 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 7:45:35) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Patrick! On Sunday, May 2, 2004 at 5:35:39 PM you wrote: but anyway, sorry for singing such melodramatic arias ;) When we are at it: From the Opera beta group it transpires that M2 is the culprit of most crashes and woes; the browser part is very stable and rarely encounters bigger trouble. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.10.03 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Only the strong survive. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Jonathan, Excuse my ignorance but, what's a MAPI account? It's for using with Exchange's native handling of accounts... like Outlook :) Therefor my ignorance, I have never ever used Exchange or Outlook :) Thanks. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.01 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
On Tuesday, April 27, 2004, Zeflash wrote... Z I take I'm the only one experiencing this problem then? I'm going Z to try on my laptop to see if does it too. As soon as I check an account periodically, memory usage starts to grow each time a check happens. I can't believe I'm the only one having this problem. When checking only 3 accounts each 30 seconds, it only takes 24 hours to have TheBat! using 250 MB. What kind of accounts? POP3? Or IMAP? Or MAPI? They are 3 very different implementations, and might give people a true hint as to where things might be going wrong. I don't see a change in memory usage... TB sits happily at about 20-25MB all day, I use 3 IMAP accounts, no POP3, and no MAPI. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Using The Bat! v2.10.01 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 How come wrong numbers are never busy??? pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Jonathan, What kind of accounts? POP3? Or IMAP? Or MAPI? They are 3 very different implementations,... Excuse my ignorance but, what's a MAPI account? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.01 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
Hello Zeflash, As soon as I check an account periodically, memory usage starts to grow each time a check happens. I can't believe I'm the only one having this problem. You may be right but I'll have to check more thoroughly tomorrow to really confirm. When checking only 3 accounts each 30 seconds, it only takes 24 hours to have TheBat! using 250 MB. Don't you think that every 30 seconds is a bit too much? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.01 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: memory leaks in thebat! ??
On Wednesday, April 28, 2004, MAU wrote... What kind of accounts? POP3? Or IMAP? Or MAPI? They are 3 very different implementations,... Excuse my ignorance but, what's a MAPI account? It's for using with Exchange's native handling of accounts... like Outlook :) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Using The Bat! v2.10.01 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 C code. C code run. Run, code, run ... PLEASE! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
