Re[3]: (No Subject)
On 18 November 1999 at 08:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: R Can somebody give me the correct macro (and an example) for using R an external cookie-file? I thought it existed, but never found the R macro... in a previous mail, it got mentioned so it's existence has R been confirmed :-) %COOKIE="d:\pathspec\cookiefile.txt" R Thanks already :-) You're welcome. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.37 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Hi all, Watcher wrote: I have a few questions, first here is my template for new messages for the "thebat" list: ___ Template begin _ %SIGNCOMPLETE %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" %Cursor - -- Watcher aka Bill DeVos |[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aack.net/ | http://www.aack.net/watcher - - %COOKIE - - __ Template End ___ This template has 2 problems, one is that the cursor is in the to field instead of at the %Cursor position, is there a way to resolve this? This is 'normal' for TB!. I guess they are assuming that since you're creating a new message that you'll need to first sort out who the message is being sent to. I do agree, however, that if you invoke a new message from the address book or have an address to be used in the templates, then there is no need to force the cursor to the To: field all the time. Second is that the message starts out with a bunch of blank lines at the top. How do I get rid of them? This is happening because the first two lines in your template should be at the bottom and %Cursor should be at the top. My second item is that I would like to be able to hit a single keystroke (preferably either down or right arrow or something else without a modifier) that will always take me to the next message. The Ctrl-] keystroke comes close but when the folder is all read it generates an error sound instead of jumping to the next folder (any folder would be better than the error sound). The Bat! will not move you from folder to folder. Perhaps they should support this as an option. I like this in Agent where it will move to another newsgroup containing messages when you are finished with one. I also have one suggestion, I would like to be able to quickly and easily add a cookie to my list of random quotes (cookie list). As it is I have to select several menu items, then scroll down to the bottom of the list, then hit enter, then paste the cookie. Is there a better way? I have two suggestions. Why add the cookie to the bottom of the list. It's easier to add it to the top. Place the cursor at the first message, hit enter and insert the new cookie in the line above. :) You may find it easier also to use an external cookie file and then use your favorite text editor to manage the cookies. Just remember that each cookie is separated by a 'return'. Ok one more question, I have setup PGP to save my password for 2 hours yet TB continues to ask me for my password for each message. Have I misconfigured or is this a limitation enforced by TheBat? I don't use PGP so can't help you there. :) All suggestions welcome, all flames redirected to /dev/null. You may check there for mine. -- Regards, -=Ali=- Runtime Error 6D at 417A:32CF: Incompetent User. ** Using The Bat! v1.37 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Hi all, Thomas Fernandez wrote: This template has 2 problems, one is that the cursor is in the to field instead of at the %Cursor position, J This is normal for new messages... Funny, what is the %Cursor command for, then? When you 'tab' your way down from the To: field to the message editor the cursor will end up where you placed the %Cursor macro in the template, which for Watcher, is 4+ lines down and also indented by a couple characters. This is why he's wondering why his message has so many lines before the start of it. -- Regards, -=Ali=- Peace through superior firepower. ** Using The Bat! v1.37 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Hi all, Jast wrote: Funny, what is the %Cursor command for, then? Well, if you tab in the message, you get put to that place of course. It is just expected that you enter the address first thing. If you create a new message from the address book, the cursor is *still* placed in the 'To:' field initially. H. -- Regards, -=Ali=- One picture is worth 128K words. ** Using The Bat! v1.37 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %Cursor
Hi all, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I motion to change that. I don't need a cursor command if I have to hit TAB three or four times, or use the mouse anyway. The cursor should go were the %Cursor command says it should start. Does anybody second the motion, so we can put it on the (mysterious, as never seen or published) wish-list? I agree, but only if you create the new message from the address book or if you include an address in the new message template. Otherwise it really should start with the cursor in the To: field where you may initially insert the address of the recipient/s. -- Regards, -=Ali=- An alcoholic is someone you don't like who drinks as much as you. ** Using The Bat! v1.37 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: (No Subject)
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Marck, MP %COOKIE="d:\pathspec\cookiefile.txt" Is it possible that this macro can't handle long filenames? -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If in doubt, make it sound convincing. .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ Visit the official site of Enigma at http://www.enigma3.com (it's really worth it!) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
On Thursday, November 18, 1999, 3:25:58 AM, Jast wrote: This template has 2 problems, one is that the cursor is in the to field instead of at the %Cursor position, This is normal for new messages... Problem is it's also normal when creating a message by clicking on an e-mail address. Why leave the cursor in a field that's already been filled in? -- Cheers Ian G. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %Cursor
Wednesday, November 17, 1999, 10:11:31 PM, Thomas wrote: Does anybody second the motion, so we can put it on the (mysterious, as never seen or published) wish-list? No. Because it works as expected. Quite frankly, I just shook my head and sighed when I saw your initial message because, well, it was idiotic. Of course a new message is going to have you enter the header information first. MUAs have been doing this since there *have* been MUAs. To change that behavior for your personal whims would be to break expected behavior for the benefit minuscule minority of one... you. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Thursday, November 18, 1999, 1:55:20 AM, Ali wrote: If you create a new message from the address book, the cursor is *still* placed in the 'To:' field initially. H. Of course. That is to remain consistent with the behavior otherwise. Even if it is filled out people operate on memory and will tab down regardless. Also they might want to add in CC, BCC addresses, change the subject, and so on. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: account default column settings
I'm sure I'll feel stupid about this, but is there a way to change the account default column settings. I've looked around but all I can find is where to change the column settings for an individual folder. *grin* You're going to love this... I only discovered it by accident: right click on the column headings :-) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: account default column settings
Hi all, Nancy wrote: I'm sure I'll feel stupid about this, but is there a way to change the account default column settings. I've looked around but all I can find is where to change the column settings for an individual folder. Please don't feel stupid to ask anything. That's what the list is for. Right click the title bar of any of the columns and the 'columns setup' applet will appear. Make your desired changes as to which columns you want to be displayed and in what order. Right click the folder which was opened and in the properties check the "use the account default column settings" option. This will be your new default column setting. Any other folder which has this option checked in it's properties will have it's columns changed to your new default layout and if you wish to change any others, go into the properties and make the change as well. Hope that helps. -- Regards, -=Ali=- CChheecckk yyoouurr dduupplleexx sswwiittcchh.. ** Using The Bat! v1.37 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Hi all, Steve Lamb wrote: I promised that I wouldn't reply but I couldn't resist. : snip Then think, Ali, don't just jump on the bandwagon for a ride and disengage your brain. Tell me, are *all* of the addresses you've ever used in the addressbook? You've never added one by hand after using the addressbook? You've never added one by hand from the address book after using it? Well, assuming that I haven't finished addressing when creating a message with the address book seems quite the more unlikely assumption to make. You *do* realize that the application makes an assumption for your reason which is that the user just might not be finished entering addresses even though the message was created from the address book. Which should be better supported? The more likely scenario or the less likely. This is the fundamental issue that has me wondering why all the lettered keys have been wasted for this quick search feature. How often does anyone use the quick search feature and why should all the lettered keys be sacrificed for it. Now we have to be using CTRL+] to go to the next message instead of N and CTRL+F5 or CTRL+Enter to reply to a message instead of R etc. Why place the cursor at the To: field when the likelihood of wishing to add more addresses is small as in the case sited above where the message is created using the address book? These arguments are produced by thinking Steve. Arguments provoke thought and hopefully produce change for the better. Bullying people by saying their suggestions are idiotic is really .. H unbecoming for want of a better word. :-| Why put it there? Because the program has no way to determine if you're completely finished with entering addresses or if you're just done adding addresses from the addressbook/macros. The logical place for the cursor after that point is in the headers section. You may as well say to me that it's inappropriate for the cursor to end up where it is when you reply to message (note that the cursor is not placed initially in the To: field when you create a reply) because I just may wish to add another recipient or that I just might wish to change the subject. Don't you change subjects when replying at times? Changing the subject to [OT] is a popular practice on TBUDL. :) I don't know why you insist on placing this logic and consistency in human interaction. It's the variability in user interaction, expectations and intuition which make user interfaces differ and vary so much and which has everyone never truly satisfied with an interface unless they are able to *completely* customize it. Furthermore, just because you've entered addresses doesn't mean that the other functions near those fields are completed. Subject, reply-to and other headers can be manipulated with TB! and the accepted, logical and right time to do that is right after addressing is done. Well place the cursor in the next empty field. :) Why in the to field where 5 addresses may already be entered? Oh, you just might have others to enter. That's really a rough one to chew. Guess what Agent does. It places the cursor in the next empty field. Grand. I find the usability features of Agent to be so well thought out, it's truly remarkable. :) It is not consistency to one's detriment, it is logical consistency where an otherwise annoying assumption by the machine would be made. Whatever.. -- Regards, -=Ali=- PC! Politically Correct (or) Pure Crap! ** Using The Bat! v1.37 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Thursday, November 18, 1999, 9:03:43 AM, Ali wrote: Well, assuming that I haven't finished addressing when creating a message with the address book seems quite the more unlikely assumption to make. No, it isn't an assumption. In creating a message there are several steps. In every other case the UI places you into the header section of the creation process before the body of the message with one exception, replies. Personally, I think it should there as well. This is consistency with the UI, logical consistency. To break that because you *assume* the user is done with that is the assumption. Why place the cursor at the To: field when the likelihood of wishing to add more addresses is small as in the case sited above where the message is created using the address book? And your statistics on this to support breaking of acceptable behavior is... what, again? Oh, you don't have any. I forgot. These arguments are produced by thinking Steve. Arguments provoke thought and hopefully produce change for the better. Bullying people by saying their suggestions are idiotic is really .. H unbecoming for want of a better word. :-| Then what better word would you have in mind. If an idea to change acceptable and logical behavior for unacceptable and illogical behavior is idiotic, I'm going to call it what it is, idiotic. You may as well say to me that it's inappropriate for the cursor to end up where it is when you reply to message (note that the cursor is not placed initially in the To: field when you create a reply) because I just may wish to add another recipient or that I just might wish to change the subject. Don't you change subjects when replying at times? Changing the subject to [OT] is a popular practice on TBUDL. :) You'll note I did cite that above. Yes, it is what I'd consider an inconsistency, just not one that I've had time to address what with all the other more pressing problems TB! has. I don't know why you insist on placing this logic and consistency in human interaction. Oh, heaven forbid I want a logical interface and a consistent design so I can make assumptions on the behavior of the machine to increase my productivity! Perish the thought! Let chaos and anarchy reign!!! All hail Ali!!! It's the variability in user interaction, expectations and intuition which make user interfaces differ and vary so much and which has everyone never truly satisfied with an interface unless they are able to *completely* customize it. No interface is completely customizable unless it is programmed by the individual. Even then it isn't completely customizable. Well place the cursor in the next empty field. :) Why in the to field where 5 addresses may already be entered? Oh, you just might have others to enter. That's really a rough one to chew. Then chew harder and deal with it. Guess what Agent does. It places the cursor in the next empty field. Grand. I find the usability features of Agent to be so well thought out, it's truly remarkable. :) Then tell me why you're here? It is not consistency to one's detriment, it is logical consistency where an otherwise annoying assumption by the machine would be made. Whatever.. Back at'cha, babe. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Hi all, Steve Lamb wrote: No, it isn't an assumption. In creating a message there are several steps. In every other case the UI places you into the header section of the creation process before the body of the message with one exception, replies. Personally, I think it should there as well. This is consistency with the UI, logical consistency. Well a couple thoughts on this. The fact that the cursor should be placed as you say it should may be logical but as I said before, user interaction isn't always based on simple logic. That's it, your logic is simple. If one goes a step further with you, you shout foul. hahahah. People tend to be different, that's all. I feel that it's presumptuous to place the cursor in the To: field after creating a message with the address book. I can't remember ever having to reenter an address after this. I hope that the readership realizes that I'm arguing on the basis of principle here. I've gone beyond the particular point which started the debate. Do you remember when there was an appeal for and a long thread which looked at providing an error message when an attempt is made to send a message without a subject. Why is that. Why do most mailers provide this error message. Why does TB! give an error message every 30 seconds when composing a message without an address in the To: field? Simple : Not everyone has this allegedly logical stepwise approach. I tend to prefer this stepwise approach and this is why I have no need for no subject error messages or reminders to enter an address, but this is besides the point. To break that because you *assume* the user is done with that is the assumption. IMHO, I believe we are arguing two assumptions and which is the better one to make but there is no point in pressing it. Why place the cursor at the To: field when the likelihood of wishing to add more addresses is small as in the case sited above where the message is created using the address book? And your statistics on this to support breaking of acceptable behavior is... what, again? Oh, you don't have any. I forgot. Do you have statistics to prove *your* point. It was you who introduced proving. :) These arguments are produced by thinking Steve. Arguments provoke thought and hopefully produce change for the better. Bullying people by saying their suggestions are idiotic is really .. H unbecoming for want of a better word. :-| Then what better word would you have in mind. If an idea to change acceptable and logical behavior for unacceptable and illogical behavior is idiotic, I'm going to call it what it is, idiotic. You don't get the point do you? I didn't really expect it. It was you who wrote it anyway. sigh You may as well say to me that it's inappropriate for the cursor to end up where it is when you reply to message (note that the cursor is not placed initially in the To: field when you create a reply) because I just may wish to add another recipient or that I just might wish to change the subject. Don't you change subjects when replying at times? Changing the subject to [OT] is a popular practice on TBUDL. :) You'll note I did cite that above. Yes, it is what I'd consider an inconsistency, just not one that I've had time to address what with all the other more pressing problems TB! has. Good. I hope you don't reach this issue. :)) I don't know why you insist on placing this logic and consistency in human interaction. Oh, heaven forbid I want a logical interface and a consistent design so I can make assumptions on the behavior of the machine to increase my productivity! Perish the thought! Let chaos and anarchy reign!!! All hail Ali!!! It would have taken only you to infer this from my statement. Just great. It's the variability in user interaction, expectations and intuition which make user interfaces differ and vary so much and which has everyone never truly satisfied with an interface unless they are able to *completely* customize it. No interface is completely customizable unless it is programmed by the individual. Even then it isn't completely customizable. You didn't get my point. Well place the cursor in the next empty field. :) Why in the to field where 5 addresses may already be entered? Oh, you just might have others to enter. That's really a rough one to chew. Then chew harder and deal with it. ROTFL! Guess what Agent does. It places the cursor in the next empty field. Grand. I find the usability features of Agent to be so well thought out, it's truly remarkable. :) Then tell me why you're here? I hope that's a rhetorical question but if it's not, my answer would be this Steve: As you said: 'Then think, Steve, don't just disengage your brain' and ask that. TB! gives me a better mixture of functionality and usability. This doesn't mean that it's better than Agent in every respect or Agent is better than TB in every respect. -- Regards,
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello Steve, Your message from Thursday, November 18, 1999, 17:22 : "(No Subject)" SL Thursday, November 18, 1999, 7:56:24 AM, Ali wrote: Steve, please don't call peoples suggestions idiotic especially when it's not necessary. SL It was. An understanding of basic UI at the level of around an AOL user SL would be all that is required to deduce why the cursor is in the header field. People like Steve Lamb make it so hard for beginners to stay in this list. It is the arrogance of the skilled. As a beginner you just don't dare to bring a "silly" problem. And this is not useful for the further spreading of this good client. Didn't it happen so often in history of the mind, that "idiotic" ideas opened new horizons. Best regards Bernhard Kaiser (newbie) Using The Bat! 1.36 Under WINDOWS 95 Version 4.0 Build 1212 C -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Thursday, November 18, 1999, 1:20:55 PM, Bernhard wrote: People like Steve Lamb make it so hard for beginners to stay in this list. Beginners shouldn't really be making suggestions. Furthermore everyone is a beginner exactly once. I don't like things that are geared for beginners at the exclusion of those who aren't because of that. It is the arrogance of the skilled. As a beginner you just don't dare to bring a "silly" problem. And this is not useful for the further spreading of this good client. Didn't it happen so often in history of the mind, that "idiotic" ideas opened new horizons. Yes, they did. Normally, though, such ideas aren't ones that are rehashed and argued over every time a new person comes into the forum. For example... HTML mail - Just don't do it. Quoting - Do it properly (interleaved, not all at once) EMail attachments - Large attachments should be placed somewhere where the person can retrieve it and the URL to said place send through mail. Email wasn't meant for file transfers. Don't do it. These things, among others, are what makes it hard for the experienced users to stay on this, and other, lists. They are topics that keep coming up ever 3-6 weeks with the new people. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Not in USA PGP sources
Hello all fellow TBUDL members, I need a PGP source that's not in the USA, since I'm not there myself and the silly export technology law there exists. There must be plenty of European (for instance) sources I'd appreciated being pointed to one, given that most TBUDL members are also not in the US and some do use PGP. Thanks in advance Douglas Hinds mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Hi all, Steve Lamb wrote: No, it is the point. People should learn to use the program, not the program to babysit the user. So you consider it babysitting. H. Oh boy. :) Do you have statistics to prove *your* point. It was you who introduced proving. :) Uhm, you're the one on the side that wants to change things. The burden of proof is at your feet, not mine. What's this chicken and egg crap about? A point was brought up which you thought was ridiculous enough to be rude and call it idiotic. Prove why you say this instead of rationalize it like how I rationalize mine, then expecting me to do more than you do to make your point. You don't get the point do you? I didn't really expect it. It was you who wrote it anyway. sigh Oh, I get the point. You don't get mine. I don't pussyfoot around. In all our conversations I have stated that repeatedly and I don't apologize for it. I really dislike all the political, buttkissing BS when it comes to getting things done. If something is idiotic I call it that. That is not the same as calling the person an idiot. Everyone makes idiotic moves all the time. I've been known to beat myself up over my idiotic mistakes for years after the fact in certain situations. From this paragraph, I can say Steve, that IMHO, you are simply being rude and that's your fundamental problem. This discussion list doesn't need any of it. It's downright disruptive and intimidates those who don't know you for who you are. What makes it worse is your lack of insight into it because you find being polite political BS. That's crap and you know it. You just can't be bothered and we are perhaps not worth the effort of a little of your politeness. I am saying all this so that others will know that we don't subscribe to this sort of behavior. But to spend so much time and effort to say the same thing in a "polite" and "non-threatening" manner is just wasted time and effort. Get a thicker skin or get out of the way. Why be threatening in the first place? I hope I do for if I ever got to the level where such small UI issues were the only matters of contention it would mean the world would have the most powerful and robust MUA around which, instead of worrying about small UI issues first it would have IMAP done and out the door, automatic LDAP updates, be lean, mean and well documented. But, hey, you want to debate where %cursor goes instead of insist on getting real work done, fine by me. That sounds rude again Steve. I am not shaken by it in the least but I need to indicate your rudeness. I don't wish to go on with this and I guess it will relieve others. I, however, needed to make these points public since the previous exchanges have been public. [deletia] -- Regards, -=Ali=- Unix: When you can't afford the very best. ** Using The Bat! v1.37 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Not in USA PGP sources
On Thursday, November 18, 1999, 22:38, Douglas Hinds wrote: I need a PGP source that's not in the USA, since I'm not there myself and the silly export technology law there exists. There must be plenty of European (for instance) sources I'd appreciated being pointed to one, given that most TBUDL members are also not in the US and some do use PGP. Hello Douglas, go to that site: http://www.pgpi.org/ And use the download wizard to get the international version. -- Best regards, Jürgen -- Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 PGP-key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGPkeybody=Send%20PGPkey%20of%20Frisch Key ID: 0x371AFB16 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Not in USA PGP sources
Hi Douglas, Thursday, November 18, 1999, 9:38:24 PM, you wrote: DH I need a PGP source that's not in the USA, since I'm not there myself http://www.replay.com -- Best regards, Mark Using The Bat! 1.37 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4 10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Thursday, November 18, 1999, 2:08:06 PM, Ali wrote: No, it is the point. People should learn to use the program, not the program to babysit the user. So you consider it babysitting. H. Oh boy. :) Yes, I do. When something breaks the internal logic of the UI just for the whims of a few people then it is babysitting. Uhm, you're the one on the side that wants to change things. The burden of proof is at your feet, not mine. What's this chicken and egg crap about? A point was brought up which you thought was ridiculous enough to be rude and call it idiotic. Prove why you say this instead of rationalize it like how I rationalize mine, then expecting me to do more than you do to make your point. Prove why the change should be made in the first place. That is why I said you are on the side that wants to change things. Proof must be given that a change benefits the majority of the users. That burden of proof is at your feet, not mine. From this paragraph, I can say Steve, that IMHO, you are simply being rude and that's your fundamental problem. This discussion list doesn't need any of it. It's downright disruptive and intimidates those who don't know you for who you are. Operative letters "IMHO" which is "in my humble opinion". In your opinion I'm being rude. In my opinion it is rude to think that one cannot speak one's honest opinions to other adults. That they must, in some fashion, be coddled and protected for the big bad words which, incidentally, in and of themselves, do no harm. I'm not here to treat you like a child, Ali, or presume that you would want such a thing. It is that presumption, that total arrogance that I consider rude. What makes it worse is your lack of insight into it because you find being polite political BS. That's crap and you know it. Hardly. You just can't be bothered and we are perhaps not worth the effort of a little of your politeness. I am saying all this so that others will know that we don't subscribe to this sort of behavior. I am being polite. I'm being polite in that I'm not going out of my way to insult you by talking down to you, insulting your intelligence and character. But to spend so much time and effort to say the same thing in a "polite" and "non-threatening" manner is just wasted time and effort. Get a thicker skin or get out of the way. Why be threatening in the first place? Notice the quotes. That means I *AM* taking the non-threatening manner. Just others are so used to being coddled they don't know the difference between straighttalk and threatening. I hope I do for if I ever got to the level where such small UI issues were the only matters of contention it would mean the world would have the most powerful and robust MUA around which, instead of worrying about small UI issues first it would have IMAP done and out the door, automatic LDAP updates, be lean, mean and well documented. But, hey, you want to debate where %cursor goes instead of insist on getting real work done, fine by me. That sounds rude again Steve. I am not shaken by it in the least but I need to indicate your rudeness. Rude? Maybe you're just not used to hearing the truth without all the BS pleasantries. No, rude would be a lot worse. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello Steve, Thursday, November 18, 1999, 6:41:24 PM, you wrote: SL Thursday, November 18, 1999, 2:08:06 PM, Ali wrote: No, it is the point. People should learn to use the program, not the program to babysit the user. So you consider it babysitting. H. Oh boy. :) SL Yes, I do. When something breaks the internal logic of the UI just for SL the whims of a few people then it is babysitting. Uhm, you're the one on the side that wants to change things. The burden of proof is at your feet, not mine. What's this chicken and egg crap about? A point was brought up which you thought was ridiculous enough to be rude and call it idiotic. Prove why you say this instead of rationalize it like how I rationalize mine, then expecting me to do more than you do to make your point. SL Prove why the change should be made in the first place. That is why I SL said you are on the side that wants to change things. Proof must be given SL that a change benefits the majority of the users. That burden of proof is at SL your feet, not mine. From this paragraph, I can say Steve, that IMHO, you are simply being rude and that's your fundamental problem. This discussion list doesn't need any of it. It's downright disruptive and intimidates those who don't know you for who you are. SL Operative letters "IMHO" which is "in my humble opinion". In your opinion SL I'm being rude. In my opinion it is rude to think that one cannot speak one's SL honest opinions to other adults. That they must, in some fashion, be coddled SL and protected for the big bad words which, incidentally, in and of themselves, SL do no harm. I'm not here to treat you like a child, Ali, or presume that you SL would want such a thing. It is that presumption, that total arrogance that I SL consider rude. What makes it worse is your lack of insight into it because you find being polite political BS. That's crap and you know it. SL Hardly. You just can't be bothered and we are perhaps not worth the effort of a little of your politeness. I am saying all this so that others will know that we don't subscribe to this sort of behavior. SL I am being polite. I'm being polite in that I'm not going out of my way SL to insult you by talking down to you, insulting your intelligence and SL character. But to spend so much time and effort to say the same thing in a "polite" and "non-threatening" manner is just wasted time and effort. Get a thicker skin or get out of the way. Why be threatening in the first place? SL Notice the quotes. That means I *AM* taking the non-threatening manner. SL Just others are so used to being coddled they don't know the difference SL between straighttalk and threatening. I hope I do for if I ever got to the level where such small UI issues were the only matters of contention it would mean the world would have the most powerful and robust MUA around which, instead of worrying about small UI issues first it would have IMAP done and out the door, automatic LDAP updates, be lean, mean and well documented. But, hey, you want to debate where %cursor goes instead of insist on getting real work done, fine by me. That sounds rude again Steve. I am not shaken by it in the least but I need to indicate your rudeness. SL Rude? Maybe you're just not used to hearing the truth without all the BS SL pleasantries. No, rude would be a lot worse. Hey guys why don't you two take this private via phone or direct e-mail, I'am getting tired seeing two guys whine over something that should have been over long ago, and I'am sure I'am not alone. -- Best regards, Pasqualemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Sunday, November 21, 1999, 3:56:22 PM, Alexander wrote: Then what makes *you personally* stay on it? The lists like this are for the people who want to know more about the program (mostly beginners) and for those who wanna help them. You don't seem to be either. So what? Someone needs to keep the peace. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Beginners shouldn't really be making suggestions. Furthermore everyone is a beginner exactly once. I don't like things that are geared for beginners at the exclusion of those who aren't because of that. I was waiting for this. So now you get your way around here only due to seniority. Cute. You know, most people get over the "I know more than everybody else" stage sometime in their teens. Yes, they did. Normally, though, such ideas aren't ones that are rehashed and argued over every time a new person comes into the forum. For example... You've been on enough mailing lists to know what to expect. These things, among others, are what makes it hard for the experienced users to stay on this, and other, lists. They are topics that keep coming up ever 3-6 weeks with the new people. So I just hope it gets harder. Time for a Steve Lamb kill filter. Bye, Kevin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Thursday, November 18, 1999, 4:20:25 PM, Kevin wrote: I was waiting for this. So now you get your way around here only due to seniority. Cute. No, experience. There is a difference. You know, most people get over the "I know more than everybody else" stage sometime in their teens. You know, most people learn when to not make suggestions since they clearly know not what they talk about sometimes around the same timeframe. What's your point? You've been on enough mailing lists to know what to expect. Exactly. I'm also sick of seeing it. Agian, what's your point? So I just hope it gets harder. Time for a Steve Lamb kill filter. Love you too. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
DEAD HORSE (was Re[2]: (No Subject))
On 21 November 1999 at 21:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: AVK Hi there! Hi Alex - nice to see you back on the list proper! :-) AVK On 18 Nov 99, at 22:20, Bernhard Kaiser wrote AVK about "Re[2]: (No Subject)": People like Steve Lamb make it so hard for beginners to stay in this list. This is the main point of the objections to the style of Steve Lamb's postings. As a matter of fact, although I misunderstood his writing style myself when he first appeared on the list, I have since found myself in complete agreement with what he has to say at most (if not all) times. That doesn't detract from the point that the bandwidth on the list goes through the roof whenever anyone wants to pick a fight with him. Sometimes it gets to be a very interesting read, but that doesn't stop it being off-putting for the newbie who just wants to know how the cookie files work or how to customize a template. Just as they pluck up courage to ask, they see another newbie getting *apparently* flamed for having the temerity to make a suggestion. Note the stress on the word *apparently*. After extensive study :-9, I can see that Steve is only standing for what is technologically correct. It doesn't change the impression received. Steve - any chance of a lowering of tone when dealing with newbies? Anyone wanting to take exception to Steve - any chance of *always* taking it off-list? AVK Okay, M$ *has* opened new horizons, hasn't it? They are AVK implementing all the idiotic ideas they find on their way, IMHO:- AVK ) Like the results? Exactly Steve's point .. and it is *so* true ... but, oh my, sigh the bandwidth ... and there are some that think M$ actually get it right - even to the point of recommending their products! AVK Second. I don't think Steve has chosen the right tone for his AVK recent postings to the list. It's just *my own* opinion, the AVK official one is up to the moderators. The official one is ... (off the top of my head) ... take it off list *as soon* as you find yourself 2 replies into an impassioned debate. I'm sure that Leif and Wolfgang would agree with me about that. It really does scare off the newcomers - the ones who *really* need the help this list has to offer. I have daily sight of the sign-in / out logs and many newcomers leave on the same day. I must do the stats on it sometime and see how much more quickly they leave when there is a heated debate like this one going down. :-) AVK Fourth. Let's finally stop this discussion, I (and _hopefully_ AVK many others) have lots of other things to do other then reading AVK your flames, half of which I hardly understand. Either write in AVK "literal" English so that everyone could understand, or AVK communicate with each other. As I see it, this very list is AVK pretty multinational:-)) DEAD HORSE PRONOUNCED! Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.37 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
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Re: DEAD HORSE (was Re[2]: (No Subject))
Hi all, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: snip People like Steve Lamb make it so hard for beginners to stay in this list. This is the main point of the objections to the style of Steve Lamb's postings. As a matter of fact, although I misunderstood his writing style myself when he first appeared on the list, I have since found myself in complete agreement with what he has to say at most (if not all) times. That doesn't detract from the point that the bandwidth on the list goes through the roof whenever anyone wants to pick a fight with him. Sometimes it gets to be a very interesting read, but that doesn't stop it being off-putting for the newbie who just wants to know how the cookie files work or how to customize a template. Just as they pluck up courage to ask, they see another newbie getting *apparently* flamed for having the temerity to make a suggestion. Note the stress on the word *apparently*. After extensive study :-9, I can see that Steve is only standing for what is technologically correct. You needed extensive study to get pass Steve's front. What of the newcomers?!! I wouldn't have made an issue out of it, if the term 'idiotic' was directed at me, off list, by Steve, since I've grown used to his abrasive style as well. It doesn't change the impression received. Exactly and many unsubscribe before they figure out Steve. :) Steve - any chance of a lowering of tone when dealing with newbies? I second that motion. Anyone wanting to take exception to Steve - any chance of *always* taking it off-list? I can't promise that. If he's unfriendly/impolite to another subscriber, I'll not hesitate to indicate this for the very reasons you mentioned above, i.e., it gives a bad impression. -- Regards, -=Ali=- Press any key to continue or any other key to quit... ** Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/1 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hi Steve, on Friday, November 19, 1999, 12:22:22 AM GMT+0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve, please don't call peoples suggestions idiotic especially when it's not necessary. SL It was. An understanding of basic UI at the level of around an AOL user SL would be all that is required to deduce why the cursor is in the header field. Wow, are you calling me an "AOL user"? (Please help me someone: isn't this an insult?) g The fact that you felt that way just shows up yourself more than the person you indirectly insulted. SL I get it. Attack the person, not the idea. Gee, to think, I had it wrong SL this whole time in attacking the idea, not the person. Thanks for the SL clarification. LOL You are so automated and mechanical in your approach to usability issues that it's unbelievable. I have no wish to have any exchanges with you on the issue. SL I am so automated and mechanical because I'm right. When you get to a SL certain point you come to understand that most, if not all roads, lead to the SL same place. Steve, again: you see this from the POV of someone who lives in the comuter world. You are right from that POV. However, most people don't live there. Especially you as the compu-expert have the possibility to change something for the average user, if you only listen. Just for the benefit of the minds that exhibit more flexibility and amicability to suggestion: SL IE, those who haven't thought it out. Deja-vu? Comnputer Philosophy? (No, Marck, don't worry, I'm not going to start again.) b) If one invokes/creates a new mail message using the address book. [...] far. That's consistency to ones detriment. We are thinking, people here. SL Then think, Ali, don't just jump on the bandwagon for a ride and disengage SL your brain. Steve, hoinestly, I cannot figure how this is "attacking the idea" and not the person. Anyway, I think it is you who is jumping on the bandwaggon (of those who think that users are stupid and cannot even go to the header to fill in additional recipients iof they want to). SL Tell me, are *all* of the addresses you've ever used in the SL addressbook? You've never added one by hand after using the addressbook? SL You've never added one by hand from the address book after using it? Weren't you the one who said in another thread that you don't want the machine to "think for you" and make suggestions? So, when I give the command "go to somehwere in the message body" and the cursor still goes to the header, is it not thinking for me? SL Why put it there? Because the program has no way to determine if you're SL completely finished with entering addresses or if you're just done adding SL addresses from the addressbook/macros. Exactly. That's why the cursor should go to were I tell it to and not double-guess. SL The logical place for the cursor after that point is in the SL headers section. The logical place for the cursor is to be were I tell it to be. (Am I repeating myself?) SL Furthermore, just because you've entered addresses doesn't mean that the SL other functions near those fields are completed. Right. So I want the programme to double-guess instead of just following my command. SL It is not consistency to one's detriment, it is logical consistency where SL an otherwise annoying assumption by the machine would be made. You are advocating assumption, should you not have noticed. -- Ciao, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.37 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hi Steve, on Friday, November 19, 1999, 1:58:33 AM GMT+0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Simple : Not everyone has this allegedly logical stepwise approach. I tend to prefer this stepwise approach and this is why I have no need for no subject error messages or reminders to enter an address, but this is besides the point. SL No, it is the point. People should learn to use the program, not the SL program to babysit the user. This is the point where I disagree! One of a programme's first objectives is to be user-friendly. You don't get the point do you? I didn't really expect it. It was you who wrote it anyway. sigh SL Oh, I get the point. You don't get mine. I don't pussyfoot around. In SL all our conversations I have stated that repeatedly and I don't apologize for SL it. I really dislike all the political, buttkissing BS when it comes to SL getting things done. We noticed that g. The question is, what are the things that we want to get done? Vocabulary like "idiotic" don't help to figure this out. SL But to spend so much time and effort to say the same thing in a "polite" SL and "non-threatening" manner is just wasted time and effort. I doubt that. Because when you use words like "idiotic" it takes seventy-five posting in three threads to get the feeling it creates out of the way. SL Get a thicker skin or get out of the way. Sorry for being human. Did you know that this list is also for people who might not have the self-confidence that you are so blessed with? - I was the one whose idea you called idiotic, and my skin is thick enough. Someone else, well, might have just left the list and TB too. Sometimes it is necessary to be "political" and to keep an amicable atmostphere in a society in order to protect the ones that are not so strong (or not so self-confident, you get the point). SL Since a completely customizable UI is not obtainable the best one can do SL is create an UI that has the least number of internal inconsistencies and is SL as logical as possible. Those who like the UI will then be able to SL effectively and efficiently learn the logic and begin to make assumptions SL about areas they are unfamiliar with. This will let them work faster, ask SL less questions, use the program in a more powerful manner and get their work SL done. I agree with that. I have learned that when I tell the cursor to go to point A in the body, it will ignore my command and go to the header, because it assumes I'm an idiot and I may want to add a second recipient. -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.37 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hi Steve, on Friday, November 19, 1999, 5:58:21 AM GMT+0800, Steve Lamb wrote: People like Steve Lamb make it so hard for beginners to stay in this list. SL Beginners shouldn't really be making suggestions. Pu-leaze, Steve. And by the way, with 21 years of computer programming, I don't consider myself a beginner, and I did make that initial suggestion. SL Furthermore everyone is a beginner exactly once. I don't like SL things that are geared for beginners at the exclusion of those who SL aren't because of that. How about things that are geared for skilled people at the exclusion of beginners? Hey, this is list is in-lieu of a proper documentation. So it is for the beginners as well. It is the arrogance of the skilled. As a beginner you just don't dare to bring a "silly" problem. And this is not useful for the further spreading of this good client. Didn't it happen so often in history of the mind, that "idiotic" ideas opened new horizons. SL Yes, they did. Normally, though, such ideas aren't ones that are rehashed SL and argued over every time a new person comes into the forum. For example... [list of absolutely valid points skipped] SL These things, among others, are what makes it hard for the experienced SL users to stay on this, and other, lists. They are topics that keep coming up SL ever 3-6 weeks with the new people. This is a forum for new people as well. -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.37 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
On Thursday, November 18, 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: No, it isn't an assumption. In creating a message there are several steps. In every other case the UI places you into the header section of the creation process before the body of the message with one exception, replies. Personally, I think it should there as well. This is consistency with the UI, logical consistency. You're talking about a case, however, where the user has consciously requested that the cursor be put in a specific position. Why not honor that request? If the user finds that he is often having to go back to the header, then he will delete the command from the template for the small benefit of having the cursor jump over "Hello All" in the message body. I have alot of standard messages that I use where I have all the header information filled in with macros. I just find it annoying to have to tab through the header fields. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.35 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: to all on the son's attachment thread....Thank you
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, November 18, 1999, 9:50:17 AM, Pasquale wrote: Hello TBUDL, Thanks to all, I had the save in separate directory checked ( I think this was default ), so now I have show in line ticked. Two other questions, the Attach folder is hidden in The Bat, but viewable in windows explorer is this by design?, and lastly when I click on a url Bat launches IE5, how do I get it to launch Opera instead? I solved this problem by making Opera my default browser, now any program not told otherwise brings up Opera... as it should. 8^) As to the answer you are looking for, "Change what happens when you doubleclick a url". Could this be another undocumented feature? If not my way works well. - -- Watcher aka Bill DeVos |[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aack.net/ | http://www.aack.net/watcher - - Fate shuffles the cards and we play with them. - - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBODTz2G14vvNVqX4UEQJ1rQCdHYKJf0JducnDs9PqHvW0i1hWX1oAoOdE IEqqYUbtwtpyePGtSwTdzUt+ =ZOPa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: to all on the son's attachment thread....Thank you
Hi all, Watcher wrote: Thanks to all, I had the save in separate directory checked ( I think this was default ), so now I have show in line ticked. Two other questions, the Attach folder is hidden in The Bat, but viewable in windows explorer is this by design?, and lastly when I click on a url Bat launches IE5, how do I get it to launch Opera instead? I solved this problem by making Opera my default browser, now any program not told otherwise brings up Opera... as it should. 8^) As to the answer you are looking for, "Change what happens when you doubleclick a url". Could this be another undocumented feature? If not my way works well. The Bat! will only work with the default browser, so making Opera the default browser is the answer. I don't know if the flexibility where this is concerned will change however. -- Regards, -=Ali=- The worst thing about censorship is [--CENSORED--]! ** Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/1 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Friday, November 19, 1999, Paula Ford wrote about (No Subject): PF You're talking about a case, however, where the user has consciously PF requested that the cursor be put in a specific position. Why not honor PF that request? %cursor macro means that cursor will be placed to this position when focus will be given to message edit area. It does so. User requests that focus when opening a message with already filled "to" and "subj" fields would not be given to "to" field but to message edit area. It has nothing to do with %cursor macro, while is reasonable wish. But I'm afraid it is hardly implementable, while it does work so when you hit reply. Suppose i write a template for message which will always have to addressees, constant one and variable one and a constant beginning of a subject, and still want cursor to be at certain place in the message after I'll finish filling in the variable address and subject. What should I do, if I will have no possibility of using %cursor macro? -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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