Colours
Hi TBUDL, I complained earlier about the colours; however, eityher I am getting used to them or this version has better colours than the beta ones. Anyway, even thoug I'd still prefer stronger colours (matter of taste, I guess), they are no strain on the eyes any more. -- Best regards, Thomas Message created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: ! and CJK
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Friday, October 15, 1999, 1:50:18 AM you told us: [ ... ] SH If you have MS Office 2000, you can give a try. I will update the SH character set with Korean Character set if time permit, and see SH what happend then. TF Let us all now, that would be important for this part part of the TF world. I found now, we can't use any Japanese, Chinese, Korean etc character set that came from IE (especially for sending) as far as The Bat! can't create HTML messages. For view, no problem, due The Bat! can view HTML. The fonts that came with IE is MS IME (Input Method Editor), relate to Language setting in "Regional Setting". Look the help file on IME : ---copy of IME help --- Sending/Reading Mail in Chinese (Simplified) with Microsoft Outlook Express and Outlook98 Reading Mail Select the message you want to read. On the View menu, point to Language, and then click the character set you want to use. In the dialog box that appears, click Yes. All messages whose header files contain the character set you want to replace will appear in the language you have chosen. When you reply to the message, it is sent in the same character set as the original. If you change the character set setting in your reply, the original does not appear properly unless you send the message in HTML and the receiving program can read HTML. Sending Mail Messages must be "tagged" correctly with the appropriate character set so the receiving e-mail applications know how to display the text. -Open or create the message you want to send. -Click Format menu, and point to Language. -Click Chinese (Simplified). Outlook Mail Message Format The mail message format must be in HTML to use the Global IME. Please find the Tools menu, select Options, then the Mail Format tab. Change your Message Format from Microsoft Outlook Rich Text to HTML. Alternatively, when the mail message format is set to Plain Text you can change individual messages by going to the Format menu on your message and selecting Rich Text (HTML). Note: This is not an option when the mail message format is set to Microsoft Outlook Rich Text or Microsoft Word. --- end of copy --- I saw one of my customer who use OL98 or OE for sending Russian Character at English Windows, at first she change the language (from English) to Russian, then he can write and view Russian Character set. For Japanese, I saw that he can view and send Japanese Character if he use Japanese Windows version. KR 2. Worse yet, if I compose and send a message using The Bat and KR Korean Partner, the message header identifies the charset as KR ISO-8851-1! (It should be sent as ISO-2022-KR.) I am afraid that KR this will make it unreadable to recipients. SH What's character set you prefer ? TF A changeable one. Actually, TB ignores the XLAT tables and TF "encoding" option when it comes to double-byte langauges. XLAT tables could be the other alternative for composing Asian Character Set. KR Has anyone at all found a way around these problems? Thomas, I KR noticed you are running Chinese Windows. Do you have similar KR problems? SH Thomas, SH How about you after using 1.36Beta/12 ? TF Now using the released version; no change. How if you change "the language" to chinese before composing ? -- - syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 I am using The Bat! 1.36 registered at Windows NT Workstation 4.0 built 1381, Service Pack 5 Created : Friday, October 15, 1999, 15:01:03 (GMT + 07:00) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hi TBUsers, The version number is hardcoded into the plugin (batpgp65.dll). Ah...So it's just a typo? CG No. They obviously assumed that most people are using the CG international version of PGP... Mmmh. So since I removed any batpgp*.dll besides batpgp65.ll (I'm using PGP6.5.1) why does it display 6.0.2i in my message - if it is hardcoded in the dll, it should display the "assumed version" in the dll and not some reg junk from previous installations (see msgs earlier)? -- With best regards, Claudius Regn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Colours
Hi Thomas, you wrote: TF I complained earlier about the colours; however, eityher I am TF getting used to them or this version has better colours than the TF beta ones. I also think red wasn't bad. Did you try without hi-color icons? TF Anyway, even thoug I'd still prefer stronger colours (matter of taste, TF I guess), they are no strain on the eyes any more. If it could be customizable... -- Frédéric DINH MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Postmaster FFV, hébergement des sites With TB! 1.36 flying through Windows 95 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Tips Language, 1.36 release
Hello Keith, Thursday, October 14, 1999, 9:26:33 PM, you wrote: I see Netspeak has not been included in your impressive language studies. HTH = Hope this helps. :) Talking about Netspeak: is there an (offical?) list of abbreviations used on the web? ( where can I find it? :-) ) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat 1.35 on Windows 98 build 4.10 Oh sure! But what's the speed of dark? **==** If you believe in Light it's because of Obscurity If you believe in Joy it's because of Sadeness If you believe in God then you have to believe in the Devil * Father X, Exorcist, Church of Notre Dame - Paris * **==** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: Tips Language, 1.36 release
Hello Giamma Keith, Thanxxx -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat 1.35 on Windows 98 build 4.10 The name is Baud... James Baud. **==** If you believe in Light it's because of Obscurity If you believe in Joy it's because of Sadeness If you believe in God then you have to believe in the Devil * Father X, Exorcist, Church of Notre Dame - Paris * **==** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
The Bat! - suggestions
Hi, New feature request: PLEASE, PLEASE, make it an option as to whether the Message Management option to "Download header only if message size is greater than" deletes the message on the server or not. I would like to be notified that there is a large message on the server so that I can download it when I have time, but the way it is right now, (at least the way it appears to work) the message gets deleted from the server all together. Thanks, Kevin Boylan Using The Bat! 1.36 Under Windows NT4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 3 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hi! Claudius Regn [EMAIL PROTECTED] about "PGP Check Signature does not work": CG No. They obviously assumed that most people are using the CG international version of PGP... Mmmh. So since I removed any batpgp*.dll besides batpgp65.ll (I'm using PGP6.5.1) why does it display 6.0.2i in my message - if it is hardcoded in the dll, it should display the "assumed version" in the dll and not some reg junk from previous installations (see msgs earlier)? Look into the registry at the following key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Network Associates\PGP I've found "Version"="freeware, version 6.5.1" here - and there isn't any other reference to a PGP version in "my" registry. When I encrypt/sign a message using PGP directly: "Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.1 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com" Also, if I change the registry string above, this identifier isn't changed at all... When I encrypt/sign a message using the plugin: "Version: PGP 6.5i" Obviously, TB uses its own identifier, and PGP *doesn't* use a string from the registry. Ever tried to uninstall and reinstall PGP completely? -- Christian GassmannPGP keys: RSA 0x6975E6D3 - DH/DSS 0x83BD18C5 Internet Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN: 12893571 Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hi! Kevin Boylan [EMAIL PROTECTED] about "The Bat! - suggestions": PLEASE, PLEASE, make it an option as to whether the Message Management option to "Download header only if message size is greater than" deletes the message on the server or not. I would like to be notified that there is a large message on the server so that I can download it when I have time, but the way it is right now, (at least the way it appears to work) the message gets deleted from the server all together. Yes, I definitely support this request. And another one: Is there a hotkey to jump to the next unread message (in another folder, if necessary)? -- Christian GassmannPGP keys: RSA 0x6975E6D3 - DH/DSS 0x83BD18C5 Internet Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN: 12893571 Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: ! and CJK
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Thursday, October 14, 1999, 12:41:05 PM, Thomas wrote: On Friday, October 08, 1999, 2:02:52 AM, Keith Russell wrote: KR A few months ago, when I was first trying out The Bat, I posted a KR message asking if anyone else was using The Bat with Asian languages KR or double-byte character sets (DBCS). As I recall, there were no KR resonses. I didn't see that then. Okay, you're forgiven 8-). KR Problems with The Bat's handling of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean KR (along with a couple of other problems mentioned in another thread) are KR keeping me from purchasing it. Specifically, with Korean (under KR English Windows): KR 1. I can read Korean messages if I have a third-party program such KR as TwinBridge Korean Partner running (I think this is essential for KR Windows 9x, as opposed to NT). However, I cannot find any way to KR change the font. It seems to be using a bit-map font which does not KR look good with large characters. I can read Chinese messages with The Bat! the way it is. It runs under C-Win, and the conversion is automatic. Yes, I have to run Korean Partner because I am running English Windows 98. Chinese Windows should accomplish the same thing. Windows NT (and hopefully, 2000) should work fine by themselves. Someone explained later in this thread about the 256 ASCII character set, and as a result, I have problems with non-chinese chracters above CHAR(127). A European character and the one immediately following are displayed as one chinese character. Right, because anything over 127 is being mapped to Chinese. Haven't found a way yet to toggle BIG5 off. Hmmm KR 2. Worse yet, if I compose and send a message using The Bat and KR Korean Partner, the message header identifies the charset as KR ISO-8851-1! (It should be sent as ISO-2022-KR.) I am afraid that KR this will make it unreadable to recipients. I don't acutally read or write Chinese. I will check this tomorrow in the office, having my secretary type something. Thanks. It will be VERY interesting to see what character set shows up in the header if s/he sends a Chinese message. In fact, have her send a copy to me. I'll start up NJWin and see what I get. KR Has anyone at all found a way around these problems? Thomas, I KR noticed you are running Chinese Windows. Do you have similar KR problems? Yup... and sorry for the late reply, I was off in HKG and BKK on biz. Sounds like fun 8-). Two-byte languages are still a prob, which I started discussing with Ritlabs some tow months ago and will develop some ideas as soon as I get around to it. (Currently I'm busy rewriting my old programmes into a Y2K safe version... about time) Better hurry! KR Unfortunately, this is one area where Becky really excels Never tried it. Netscape Mail and Eudora have no problems, And Outlook/Express, I think. but I was told that's because they use all kinds of fonts, while TB uses only monospaced ones. That's something that hadn't occurred to me. Interesting. Thanks a lot for the reply. I hope the Bat! programmers are following this discussion. Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: ! and CJK
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Thursday, October 14, 1999, 12:50:18 PM, Thomas wrote: Hallo Syafril, On Friday, October 08, 1999, 1:14:28 PM, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: [snip] SH In the first time I run 1.36Beta/12, I found that I got new font : SH Andele Mono, MS Hei (Chinese GB_2312), MingLiu (Chinese_BIG5), MS SH Mincho (Japanese) and MS Song (Chinese_GB2312). GB2312 is used on the mainland, Big5 here in Taiwan. Right. So what's Andele? I run C-Win98, and it's the Chinese version (meaning all the Windows stuff is written in Chinese, and I have to work a lot from memory). The bilingual version Chin/Engl is instable. I didn't even know there was a Chinese/English version. If Win2000 supports Chinese characters, I will consider upgrading, I need it in the office. I'm hopeful that it will. In beta testing Agent 1.6, we found that NT displays CJK on its own, while 95/98 requires third-party CJK software to be running concurrently. This is because NT fully supports Unicode. I haven't looked into 2000, but am hopeful that it does the same. Does anyone know? I also readwrite Thai, so that would be really an advantage :-) So you read and write Thai, but not Chinese? I'm envious. I never got very far with the Thai writing system; it's so inconsistent it might as well be logographic, like Chinese ;-). Any problems with Win2000 that I should be aware off? (Reply off-list OK). Please copy me in, as well. I'm anxious to know, too. SH If you have MS Office 2000, you can give a try. SH I will update the character set with Korean Character set if time SH permit, and see what happend then. Let us all now, that would be important for this part part of the world. Absolutely. KR 2. Worse yet, if I compose and send a message using The Bat and KR Korean Partner, the message header identifies the charset as KR ISO-8851-1! (It should be sent as ISO-2022-KR.) I am afraid that KR this will make it unreadable to recipients. SH What's character set you prefer ? A changeable one. Yes, "changeable" is right. It should be determined by the encoding used to create the message. I would like to be able to compose and send Korean in at least two different encodings, maybe more. Actually, TB ignores the XLAT tables and "encoding" option when it comes to double-byte langauges. Yes, that's what I've found, too. [snip] Thanks again! Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Broken Thread (Was: Re: Internal picture viewer)
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Thursday, October 14, 1999, 8:58:29 PM, Syafril wrote: KR OTOH, Stan's 'Re[2]' and MaXxX's 'Re[2]' both start new threads in KR Agent. I think The Bat! is the only email client that handles these. KR Are there others? Yupe, latest Becky does. Really? I missed that. Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, There are some features I would like to see in your program: A function to browse through the messages on the server while online; useful for reading mail while accessing an account remotely and want to leave the messages on the server to get the mail from another computer and being able to delete big files by selection. Probably best implented as a seperate folder independent from Inbox. Regards, Anne Kaeser -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ! and CJK
Hallo Keith, On Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:41:33 PM, Keith Russell wrote: I don't acutally read or write Chinese. I will check this tomorrow in the office, having my secretary type something. KR Thanks. It will be VERY interesting to see what character set shows up KR in the header if s/he sends a Chinese message. In fact, have her send KR a copy to me. I'll start up NJWin and see what I get. Gee, I forgot that. Will do tomorrow. However, I remember in one message it said: charset=big5 and in a Thai language message, it said: charset=X-UNKNOWN but I think that depends on the mailer. KR Thanks a lot for the reply. I hope the Bat! programmers are following KR this discussion. They are aware of this problem. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Friday, October 15, 1999, 6:11:25 AM, Anne wrote: A function to browse through the messages on the server while online; useful for reading mail while accessing an account remotely and want to leave the messages on the server to get the mail from another computer and being able to delete big files by selection. This is IMAP at the full extent and the mail dispatcher currently. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ! and CJK
Hallo Syafril, On Friday, October 15, 1999, 4:49:25 PM, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: [...] Thanks for the help on how to use Outlook.. actually I use a programme called "The Bat!" ;-) SH What's character set you prefer ? TF A changeable one. Actually, TB ignores the XLAT tables and TF "encoding" option when it comes to double-byte langauges. SH XLAT tables could be the other alternative for composing Asian SH Character Set. The thing is, I have no problem with the Chinese characters. The problem is that regardless of which table I activate in TB!, high ASCII values will always be interpreted as chin.char. So I cannot compose (or even read) European characters. Even if I right-click in a message with umlaute, choose Translation/Central European, a chin.char will be displayed. KR Has anyone at all found a way around these problems? Thomas, I KR noticed you are running Chinese Windows. Do you have similar KR problems? SH Thomas, SH How about you after using 1.36Beta/12 ? TF Now using the released version; no change. SH How if you change "the language" to chinese before composing ? It is *always* Chinese, and I'd like to toggle it off. In the Editor Window, Options/Message Encoding/Central European is overridden by the C-Win default Big5 encoding. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ! and CJK
Hallo Keith, On Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:53:08 PM, Keith Russell wrote: On Friday, October 08, 1999, 1:14:28 PM, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: KR [snip] SH In the first time I run 1.36Beta/12, I found that I got new font : SH Andele Mono, MS Hei (Chinese GB_2312), MingLiu (Chinese_BIG5), MS SH Mincho (Japanese) and MS Song (Chinese_GB2312). GB2312 is used on the mainland, Big5 here in Taiwan. KR Right. So what's Andele? It's a font, whereas the others mentioned are encoding systems. I run C-Win98, and it's the Chinese version (meaning all the Windows stuff is written in Chinese, and I have to work a lot from memory). The bilingual version Chin/Engl is instable. KR I didn't even know there was a Chinese/English version. I've never seen it, because everybody told me not to buy it. But I know that there is also a Japanese/English Win98, because I know someone who has the biggest troubles with it. I also readwrite Thai, so that would be really an advantage :-) KR So you read and write Thai, but not Chinese? I'm envious. I never KR got very far with the Thai writing system; it's so inconsistent it KR might as well be logographic, like Chinese ;-). Unlike Chinese, it has actual letters (44 consonants and 12 vowels; and some tone markers and other stuff), so you can read and pronounce a word if you don't know it. It's pretty consistent; which one of the five T's or two N's or so you have to use in which word depends on the origin of the word ... but this is far OT. ;-) Oh, and no surprise: Thai characters display as Chinese characters under C-Win98, like Russian charcters, too. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Colours
Hallo DINH, On Friday, October 15, 1999, 7:05:23 PM, DINH Frederic wrote: TF I complained earlier about the colours; however, eityher I am TF getting used to them or this version has better colours than the TF beta ones. DF I also think red wasn't bad. Did you try without hi-color icons? They can be toggled? How? -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Repost: Dispatch Mail on Server
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Thursday, October 14, 1999, 3:39:17 PM, Ian wrote: On Thursday, October 14, 1999, 8:26:45 PM, Keith wrote: Thanks. So...It appears that even though I have Leave Mail on Server enabled, if I've downloaded a message once, Dispatch will no longer show it? Not in my experience, but you have to select the option to show all mails rather just new ones. Yes. I think what happened was that I clicked on the icon on the Configuration toolbar, assuming it would show me all messages, and it just gave me the new ones. So this raises the question of how I delete messages left on the server. Show all messages and then select the ones to be deleted. Yes, I had figured this one out, as well. It's a nuisance to have to check them manually, though. I still REALLY like Becky's "Clean up server" menu option, which deletes all mail that has been downloaded automatically. Thanks for the reply. Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Repost: Dispatch Mail on Server
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Thursday, October 14, 1999, 9:20:34 PM, Syafril wrote: [snip] KR So this raises the question of how I delete messages left on the KR server. Have you enable "Keep message on server for xx days" or "delete message on server when it is remove from trash" ? If yes, TB will remove "match" message in next session connect. No. I prefer not to use the first because I am downloading at both home and work (and like to save important messages on my PC at both places), and don't want to take a chance of losing messages before I retrieve them at both locations. I especially don't want the second, because I like to clear the trash when I exit TB, and this would make messages unavailable for download at the other site. BTW. It would be nice if TB have "wipe message on Server command", which delete all message on Server without downloading first (this is usefull if we leave message on Server for certain account) and for IMAP account, "synchronize command" will help too. I wouldn't currently have a need for this, but I can see where others might. I especially like Agent's option: "Leave messages on server until retrieved at both my sites". This means that once I've downloaded a message at both home and work, it is AUTOMATICALLY deleted from the server; no Dispatch required. BTW, how closely does TB Development monitor this list? Do I need to make a suggestion like this formally, or will they pick it up here? Thanks, Syafril. Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, October 15, 1999, 2:04:21 AM, Christian wrote: Hi! Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] about "PGP Check Signature does not work": The version number is hardcoded into the plugin (batpgp65.dll). Ah...So it's just a typo? No. They obviously assumed that most people are using the international version of PGP... Well, I guess that might actually be a reasonable assumption, considering the origin and major market for TB. I'm curious...Does anyone happen to know the demographics of the TB population? Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Site with links
On Thursday, October 14, 1999 Leif Gregory wrote: However, you can see what I do have at the old site by going to: http://www.0rdernet.com/thebat/index.htm It seems to be no longer working. -- Christopher J. Trybowski http://wil.linux.krakow.pl/~trybik [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 4350719 / IRC: trybik / tel.: +48 (12) 648 24 17 --- PGP keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key PGP keys' IDs: 0xB92EEE69 (RSA); 0x9382700B (DH/DSS) --- Using The Bat! 1.36 [reg] under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: PGP Check Signature does not work
At Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:15:12 PM, \\'alter has typed a mail: \\' Russia or Poland? Whatever made you think it was Poland -- Po co mi musk jak mam dres? |\ /| /\ \~~~/ \~~~/ \~~~/ WWW: http://maxxx.ii.com.pl | \/ | / \ E-M: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || /\ /___\ /___\ /___\ ICQ: 3146019 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Origination of TB (was: Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work)
Hi there! On 15 Oct 99, at 12:44, Morgan Collins wrote about "Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work": I'm curious...Does anyone happen to know the demographics of the TB population? I'm a USA user, I just found TB and find it an excellent e-mail client. I assumed it was developed outside the US, but I've been unable to locate where it was produced. www.ritlabs.com What is the origin of TB then? Moldova. This is one of the ex-USSR countries, between Ukraine and Romania. Now you should be able to locate it on your geographical map:-)) SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: Beauty may be only skin deep, but ugliness goes right to the core. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hello MaXxX, Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:20:08 PM, you wrote: M At Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:15:12 PM, \\'alter has typed a mail: \\' Russia or Poland? M Whatever made you think it was Poland The last names of the developers and the many responces coming from Poland. -- Best regards, \\'altermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hi there! On 15 Oct 99, at 21:15, \\'alter wrote about "Re[3]: PGP Check Signature does not": MC What is the origin of TB then? What made you think it was Russia? SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[6]: PGP Check Signature does not work
At Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:32:15 PM, \\'alter has typed the gibberish below: \\' Russia or Poland? M Whatever made you think it was Poland a The last names of the developers and the many responces coming from a Poland. Wrong. I'm from Poland myself, and let me teach you one thing about Russian and Polish last names: 1. Polish names NEVER have a "v" (vee) in them. 2. Russian names are easy to read for you! If you read a Russian name, let's say, Sheishenko, it sounds fine. Try to read a Polish name! Krzysztof Szczyglowski, or Mariusz Mistrzewicz for example! That's because the Russian people use an alphabet completely different from the 26-letter ASCII and to write their names in ASCII they have to convert them to the proper English-style phonetics. Poland uses ASCII, only extended with 9 special letters. That's why Polish names are written as they are in Poland, which makes them easy to read by Poles and a horror to read for foreigners (you see, Polish pronounciation is WAY different from English). 3. Polish names NEVER end with "-kov". That's a Russian (or post-russian, anyway) feature ONLY. Sure, sure, there ARE exceptions, but that's a general rule. Most Polish names end with "-ski" or "-cki". Hope that clears things up a little :P -- Zankoku na tenshi no Yoni, shonen yo Shinma ni nare..! :P~ |\ /| /\ \~~~/ \~~~/ \~~~/ WWW: http://maxxx.ii.com.pl | \/ | / \ E-M: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || /\ /___\ /___\ /___\ ICQ: 3146019 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Friday, October 15, 1999, 12:48:24 PM, MaXxX wrote: 1. Polish names NEVER have a "v" (vee) in them. 2. Russian names are easy to read for you! If you read a Russian name, [snippage] 3. Polish names NEVER end with "-kov". That's a Russian (or [snippage] Hope that clears things up a little :P So, what you're saying is that the creator of Babylon 5, J. Michael Straczynski, is most likely of some Polish decent... right? :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hi there! On 15 Oct 99, at 21:48, MaXxX wrote about "Re[6]: PGP Check Signature does not": Wrong. I'm from Poland myself, and let me teach you one thing about Russian and Polish last names: Pretty interesting an explanation:-))) Only. 1. Polish names NEVER have a "v" (vee) in them. 2. Russian names are easy to read for you! If you read a Russian name, let's say, Sheishenko, it sounds fine. Try to read a Polish name! this would be most probably Ukrainian:-))) Krzysztof Szczyglowski, or Mariusz Mistrzewicz for example! That's because the Russian people use an alphabet completely different from the 26-letter ASCII and to write their names in ASCII they have to convert them to the proper English-style phonetics. Uhum, my middle name is "Vyatcheslavovitch". Can anybody pronounce?:-))) Poland uses ASCII, only extended with 9 special letters. That's why Polish names are written as they are in Poland, which makes them easy to read by Poles and a horror to read for foreigners (you see, Polish pronounciation is WAY different from English). 3. Polish names NEVER end with "-kov". That's a Russian (or post-russian, anyway) feature ONLY. Sure, sure, there ARE exceptions, but that's a general rule. Most Polish names end with "-ski" or "-cki". SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: A - American Association Against Acronym Abuse --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Friday, October 15, 1999, 2:32:49 PM, Alexander wrote: Uhum, my middle name is "Vyatcheslavovitch". Can anybody pronounce?:-))) Well, if I were to take a stab at it, with a spoon... V-yaht-cheh-slah-voe-vitch That should give you a fair phonetic approximation of how I'd say it. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hello Steve, Friday, October 15, 1999, 3:30:25 PM, you wrote: SL So, what you're saying is that the creator of Babylon 5, SL J. Michael Straczynski, is most likely of some Polish decent... SL right? :) Actually he's of Byelorussian descent... Best regards, Borismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ! and CJK
Saturday, October 16, 1999 Hello Keith, Friday, Friday, October 15, 1999, you wrote: Keith Russell Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. Keith Russell On Thursday, October 14, 1999, 8:03:20 PM, tracer wrote: what about using office 2000 with the special addin disks? Supposedly there is japanese so probably Chinese/Korean also exists. I havent seen any of these in the Final condition but they were widely floating around in the far east in the beta stage... Keith Russell Aha! I just pulled out a copy of Beta-2 (which I haven't actually Keith Russell installed and tested). CD 5 and CD 6 are labeled "The Microsoft Office Keith Russell Language Pack: featuring multilingual user interface and proofing Keith Russell tool support for seven languages: German, Arabic, Japanese, Korean, Keith Russell Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese.") Sofar I have only seen a final of German, Hebrew and Arabic on the SAME cd... MS seems to be splitting them up in a way that they are unlikely to have more then one language of interest at the same time The only problem I found was that one needed the USA windows to run them as running English ofice 2000 on other European languages could cause corruption... Keith Russell Okay, not a problem for me, since I'm running English Windows. Might Keith Russell be for others, though. Most of the mixed language versions like Thai are unstable and I havent seen any critical updates for ages so presumably those should be targets of hacking attachs(g) and in my experience language mixing here in the far East is a problem (and a large amount of our business in sorting it out again...) Keith Russell Fascinating. So what is your business? Please reply in private if Keith Russell you'd like; I'm very interested. We sell / build / service PC's in South Thailand and most of our customers are the local foreigners who kind of dislike the idea to have Thais inside their systems... Plus that I myself am involved in the USA in a system security company and am at present setting up a second service center in the area where I live... Essentially I plan the technical side but recently due to an inevitable motorbike accident I was for 3 months out of action... Anyway many owners insist in mixing German/English/Thai/japanese or whatever even after we warn them and then we end up charging and cleaning it up again. Till the next mistake Thai has a small utility from a local university which works fine, stay away from Thai master, its better looking but also a master in system corruption. So if you need Thai, very likely a font could be found for theBAT..I havent tried it. (And anyway, I cannot read or write it but I can install chinese/japanese or whatever windows). We have as problem here anyway that hardly anyone wants to pay for software so while I wouldnt mind selling theBAT, with all the free software around its , well, difficult! One main reason I like software like theBAT is that if windows corrupts, and that happens a lot, it doesnt impact my mail/news or whatever. Ok, I have to dig up my serial etc to reregister it again and select the accounts but the number of people I see loosing all their mail/addressbooks in Outlook or what about the free MS 98 downloads (english) for foreign languages which also let you change the menus to for instance japanese.. Only problem besides that I wouldnt know how to use it was that on removing I found my internet to have gone back to English but standard explorer stayed in japanese... Keith Russell I have downloaded all the Korean support. The result was that Internet Keith Russell Explorer and Outlook/Express now work great--but no effect on The Bat, Keith Russell which, as Thomas mentioned, does not appear to pay any attention to Keith Russell the DBCS fonts. correct... But Thai has diferent fonts. Keith Russell Thanks--especially for the Office 2000 suggestion. I'll check it out. Should work, MS says somewhere it is using unicode, no idea if correct or if it changed... Keith Russell Keith Russell Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Backup The Bat! Mail
Saturday, October 16, 1999 Hello Christopher, Saturday, Saturday, October 16, 1999, you wrote: Christopher J. Trybowski On Sunday, October 10, 1999 Andrew K. Lovetski wrote: Backup the whole The bat directory with _all_ it's subfolders, Christopher J. Trybowski The mail folder is enough, no need to backup the program files. _and_ the registry portion HKCU\Software\RIT Christopher J. Trybowski HKCU\Software\RIT\TheBat! Christopher J. Trybowski -- we don't have more Win apps from RIT yet, but this can change... (Use export feature of RegEdit) Christopher J. Trybowski It's useful, but not necessary -- if you, for any reason don't have Christopher J. Trybowski registry information, don't panic -- your mail is still safe (as well Christopher J. Trybowski as accounts configuration, address-book, filters and so on), -- you'll Christopher J. Trybowski just have to do more things to have it back. Be careful -- the Christopher J. Trybowski exported registry contains information about your registration of TB! Christopher J. Trybowski Don't let it be copied by someone, who hasn't paid for TB. When restoring from backup, copy all the folders back exactly to the place where they used to be, then import the .REG file Christopher J. Trybowski If you use registry export you have to use the same place indeed. But Christopher J. Trybowski if you want to move your mail folder, you can either alter the Christopher J. Trybowski exported registry file to have new paths, or just not use registry Christopher J. Trybowski export and just re-configure TheBat!'s properties after reinstall Christopher J. Trybowski (note: TheBat!'s properties, NOT mail-base properties which aren't Christopher J. Trybowski stored in registry). An old wish is, to have Bat's properties also Christopher J. Trybowski pulled out of reg. that I normally try to do per program which is a headache to put back in. ICQ is a prime example, old odd modems and other odd hardware is a lot easier to maintain if you have the registry parts when clean reinstalled... By the way notice above text from Christopher: this time I left it as it was: but WHY hasnt it got the single in front. Its a nuisance that where there are long prefixed names as sender that this happens. Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Bug Report about Attachements
Hello dear The Bat! users, Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.34a under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 and would like to report a bug The bug description: Attachements - it seems - cannot be send out, if the name (i.e. the name of the directory corresponding to the mail account) is longer than xx letters. I tried to do it from a mail account of about 50 letters with spaces. The message came The Bat could not access the attachment file. When I shortened the account-name and the corresponding directory name to three letters it worked fine. Steps to reproduce the bug: Regards, Arne Lindemann -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: ! and CJK
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, October 15, 1999, 5:46:48 PM, tracer wrote: [snip] Keith Russell Aha! I just pulled out a copy of Beta-2 (which I haven't actually Keith Russell installed and tested). CD 5 and CD 6 are labeled "The Microsoft Office Keith Russell Language Pack: featuring multilingual user interface and proofing Keith Russell tool support for seven languages: German, Arabic, Japanese, Korean, Keith Russell Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese.") Sofar I have only seen a final of German, Hebrew and Arabic on the SAME cd... MS seems to be splitting them up in a way that they are unlikely to have more then one language of interest at the same time Interesting...I guess 8-(. The only problem I found was that one needed the USA windows to run them as running English ofice 2000 on other European languages could cause corruption... Keith Russell Okay, not a problem for me, since I'm running English Windows. Might Keith Russell be for others, though. Most of the mixed language versions like Thai are unstable and I havent seen any critical updates for ages so presumably those should be targets of hacking attachs(g) "Mixed language versions" like Thai? I don't understand what you're saying here. and in my experience language mixing here in the far East is a problem (and a large amount of our business in sorting it out again...) Keith Russell Fascinating. So what is your business? Please reply in private if Keith Russell you'd like; I'm very interested. We sell / build / service PC's in South Thailand and most of our customers are the local foreigners who kind of dislike the idea to have Thais inside their systems... Plus that I myself am involved in the USA in a system security company and am at present setting up a second service center in the area where I live... So do you live in Thailand or the U.S.? Essentially I plan the technical side but recently due to an inevitable motorbike accident I was for 3 months out of action... Ouch! If you're in Thailand, it was definitely inevitable--the way they drive Are you okay now? Anyway many owners insist in mixing German/English/Thai/japanese or whatever even after we warn them and then we end up charging and cleaning it up again. Till the next mistake Great for business, eh? Thai has a small utility from a local university which works fine, Small utility that does what? stay away from Thai master, its better looking but also a master in system corruption. So if you need Thai, very likely a font could be found for theBAT..I havent tried it. (And anyway, I cannot read or write it but I can install chinese/japanese or whatever windows). So we have someone with a Spanish surname who lives in Taiwan and doesn't read or write Chinese but does read or write Thai, and another who lives (or works) in Thailand and doesn't read or write Thai This is truly an international community we have here, isn't it? I think it's great! (As well as being very envious) We have as problem here anyway that hardly anyone wants to pay for software so while I wouldnt mind selling theBAT, with all the free software around its , well, difficult! I noticed that in Thailand One main reason I like software like theBAT is that if windows corrupts, and that happens a lot, it doesnt impact my mail/news or whatever. Ok, I have to dig up my serial etc to reregister it again and select the accounts but the number of people I see loosing all their mail/addressbooks in Outlook That's an EXCELLENT point! Also, of course all the viruses are aimed at Microsoft software. or what about the free MS 98 downloads (english) for foreign languages which also let you change the menus to for instance japanese.. Only problem besides that I wouldnt know how to use it was that on removing I found my internet to have gone back to English but standard explorer stayed in japanese... Keith Russell I have downloaded all the Korean support. The result was that Internet Keith Russell Explorer and Outlook/Express now work great--but no effect on The Bat, Keith Russell which, as Thomas mentioned, does not appear to pay any attention to Keith Russell the DBCS fonts. correct... But Thai has diferent fonts. Different from what? Do you mean that they're not DBCS fonts? Or that TB will display Thai using various fonts? Or something else? Keith Russell Thanks--especially for the Office 2000 suggestion. I'll check it out. Should work, MS says somewhere it is using unicode, no idea if correct or if it changed... Using Unicode for Office 2000? Or for Windows 2000? I think Unicode requires OS support Thanks for the reply! Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click
Re: Site with links
Christopher, On Saturday, October 16, 1999, at 3:33 you wrote: However, you can see what I do have at the old site by going to: http://www.0rdernet.com/thebat/index.htm CJT It seems to be no longer working. Oops, my bad. The address is: http://www.0rdernet.com/VBOK/thebat/index.htm A better way to DoubleSpace your disk: DEL C:\WINDOWS\*.* Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBT List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.biogate.com/vbok TBUDL FAQ http://www.biogate.com/TheBat Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium 266 with 64MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
OT: Language and Windows was - Re: ! and CJK
Thomas, On Saturday, October 16, 1999, at 0:20 you wrote: TF I've never seen it, because everybody told me not to buy it. But I TF know that there is also a Japanese/English Win98, because I know TF someone who has the biggest troubles with it. Yeah, I'm using the Japanese/English version on my laptop. It's a bit more unstable than English Win98. A E I þ U(I had a vowel movement) Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBT List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.biogate.com/vbok TBUDL FAQ http://www.biogate.com/TheBat Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium 266 with 64MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ! and CJK
Hi Keith, on Saturday, October 16, 1999, 10:13:38 AM, Keith Russell wrote: The only problem I found was that one needed the USA windows to run them as running English ofice 2000 on other European languages could cause corruption... Keith Russell Okay, not a problem for me, since I'm running English Windows. Might Keith Russell be for others, though. Most of the mixed language versions like Thai are unstable and I havent seen any critical updates for ages so presumably those should be targets of hacking attachs(g) KR "Mixed language versions" like Thai? I don't understand what you're KR saying here. Dual-language versions. The Thai Windows is actualy Thai/English. Used it for nine years ;-) and in my experience language mixing here in the far East is a problem (and a large amount of our business in sorting it out again...) Keith Russell Fascinating. So what is your business? Please reply in private if Keith Russell you'd like; I'm very interested. We sell / build / service PC's in South Thailand and most of our customers are the local foreigners who kind of dislike the idea to have Thais inside their systems... Plus that I myself am involved in the USA in a system security company and am at present setting up a second service center in the area where I live... That is *very* interesting - whereabouts in Southern Thailand are you? I am going into some software selling in Thailand, with friends in BKK. Target group Thais, though, not foreigners. I just came back from Phuket and might be there again in two weeks or so. Thai has a small utility from a local university which works fine, KR Small utility that does what? I'd like to know which one you mean. I would also like to know which encoding system you think is more widely used: Chula or KU? I don't have a Thai Windows any more, and when I did, I didn't look what they use. One interesting thing: C-win's chinese character set Big5 overrrides the fonts on all applics, and even Thai fonts display as chinese characters. Exception: Chula Word works excellent. It comes with the Thai drivers and for some reason, they override C-Win. I have to find out how they do that, that's our solution for the CJK problem! stay away from Thai master, its better looking but also a master in system corruption. So if you need Thai, very likely a font could be found for theBAT..I havent tried it. (And anyway, I cannot read or write it but I can install chinese/japanese or whatever windows). I have a number of Thai fonts, and my favourite is Angsual. You can download more from Nectec (if you are with Internet Thailand Co.,Ltd.). KR So we have someone with a Spanish surname who lives in Taiwan and KR doesn't read or write Chinese but does read or write Thai, and another KR who lives (or works) in Thailand and doesn't read or write Thai And an American (Englishman/Australian?) who reads and writes Korean... KR This is truly an international community we have here, isn't it? I KR think it's great! (As well as being very envious) ;-) We have as problem here anyway that hardly anyone wants to pay for software so while I wouldnt mind selling theBAT, with all the free software around its , well, difficult! I sold (!) some of the programmes I wrote in Thailand. :-) Keith Russell I have downloaded all the Korean support. The result was that Internet Keith Russell Explorer and Outlook/Express now work great--but no effect on The Bat, Keith Russell which, as Thomas mentioned, does not appear to pay any attention to Keith Russell the DBCS fonts. correct... But Thai has diferent fonts. KR Different from what? Do you mean that they're not DBCS fonts? Or that KR TB will display Thai using various fonts? Or something else? Thai is not a double-byte language as I explained earlier. But you have a choice of different fonts, as Thais can be very creative. g Keith Russell Thanks--especially for the Office 2000 suggestion. I'll check it out. Should work, MS says somewhere it is using unicode, no idea if correct or if it changed... KR Using Unicode for Office 2000? Or for Windows 2000? I think Unicode KR requires OS support risking to sound stupid What is Unicode? An encoding system, similar to ISO-8859-1 or so? -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Fwd: FW: Âà±H: ¤jô¤j¯f¬r
Hi Keith, here are the headers of a message sent to me in Chinese. The mailer (not mentioned in these headers) is Outlook running under C-Win98. Delivery of this message was via our company LAN, not via the Internet. Note how the name of the encoding system (big5) is in the Subject line. Best regards, Thomas. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ===8==This is a forwarded message= From: Fullname [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fullname [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999, 11:28:47 AM Subject: FW: Âà±H: ¤jô¤j¯f¬r Received: by NT1 id 01BEFC05.C2E0C8E0@NT1; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:28:48 +0800 Message-ID: 113D449CBA29D3118A1200E0180026E4061115@NT1 From: Fullname [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fullname [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: =?big5?B?Rlc6IMLgsUg6IKRqrfSkaq9mrHI=?= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:28:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 ¥D¦®¡G¤jô¤j¯f¬r [...I have snipped the rest of the body, because it will display as garbage in your screen unless you have Big5 encoding] ===8===End of original message text=== -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
