Re: Out of memory trying to attach 9 megabyte ZIP file
Dear Ali, you wrote on Thursday, October 28, 1999, 00:59:59: [snip] And every person on the list who has any inkling of the standards just gnashed their teeth greatly. You are aware that a 9Mb attachment will most likely not be accepted by any point along the way? So it's perhaps deliberate sabotage? :)) :-) Well, then why it doesn't tell me "Buddy, this attachment will most likely not be accepted by any point along the way [OK] [Cancel]"? ;-) instead? Joking aside, I think this is a bug and it looks to me like there is memory not properly being released or there is some other kind of memory leak. Doesn't leave me with much trust in the general stability of the program. Ralf. -- BackMagic: Disaster Recovery Cloning für Windows 9x http://www.backmagic.de -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Out of memory trying to attach 9 megabyte ZIP file
Dear Steve, you wrote on Thursday, October 28, 1999, 00:22:25: And every person on the list who has any inkling of the standards just gnashed their teeth greatly. You are aware that a 9Mb attachment will most likely not be accepted by any point along the way? I've done it before. Well, a 5 megs attachment went along it's way just fine. Why should some points reject a large message? Is there a general rule or a RFC or something like that that restricts the maximum size of a message? Ralf. -- BackMagic: Disaster Recovery Cloning für Windows 9x http://www.backmagic.de -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: multiple EMail addresses / address book / favourite
Claudius, On Wednesday, October 27, 1999, at 22:59 you wrote: CR I'd like to store multiple email addresses but I don't want them CR to show up in "CC:" (using the favourites menu) - I just need to CR store them _somewhere_ for special occasions. CR Claudius Regn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I store extra e-mail addresses etc. on the "Other" tab of the contact entry in the "Memo" block. A bad day: "Transfer completed (5720468 bytes, 56651 errors, 1 CPS)" Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBT List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium 266 with 64MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: PGP and auto decrypt - was Re: New proposed ideas / features for The Bat
Hi tracer, Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 11:50:46 AM, you wrote: t what unlock password.. t Use cabmanager and it unlocks without even asking for one t Its an executable cab file, right click and you see if cabmanager is t installed all the files, just drag them to a directory, no password t required (g) Oh yes, just tried it with RAR, still not worth the bother though, I could not get it to do a fetch all accounts so gave up. Thanks for the tip anyway. -- Best regards, Mark -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?
Thursday, October 28, 1999 Hello Paula, Thursday, Thursday, October 28, 1999, you wrote: (snip) Paula A democratic nation that ignores the fact that the majority of its Paula citizens are not voting at all will be in trouble eventually; a business Paula even more so. If the vocal minority is representative of the market, Paula fine. If they are not ... well ... I've been computing for alot of years Paula and could give you a long list of truly great programs that are no Paula longer around, despite a core of avid, if not fanatical, fans, because Paula that market wasn't enough to feed the programmers, who do have to eat Paula like the the rest of us. Agreed, but most users donot know one end of a pc from the other end and they use what you preinstall... If the bat could be installed with lets say 6 month running before asking for registration then after 6 months of use, almost all those users will fork out the money instead of wanting to learn a new program, moving all their files etc. That $35 is cheaper then relearning a new program. As they are competing with free internet mail/outlook, one has to get people to use it and that means marketing, not really added capabilities. I do have to say that I wish more people were tolerant of "unpopular wishes"... If you think it might be a better way, then ask! You might catch some flack, but hey, life goes on. Paula No criticism of the list was intended. It's a nice list. Computers are not going away, they will continue to become a more and more integral part of our daily lives. Computers aren't intuitive, and like the great majority of other skills in the world, they must be learned and practiced. Paula Not to digress too much, but I work with a man who recently purchased a Paula PC for his home. He knows very little about PCs.He first bought a HP, Paula when he struggled with setting it up because HP did not provide an easy, Paula setup guide and he couldn't get his printer to work with it, he packed Paula it up, returned it to the store and got an Compaq instead (e!) which Paula is real good at thinking like people who know nothing about PCs. He's Paula delighted with it; his wife is delighted with it; his daughter is Paula delighted with it. This represents the future of computing. Well, did he ask advice?? Does he have any decent local shops?? Why does he end up setting it up himself? I thought setting up an HP and similar systems means sticking a cd in and letting it run... You get a system full with unwanted software but it is easy... In general buying these brand name systems LOOKS nice but it can give you a big headache when it comes to repairs / service. I have seen Compacs. Look nice but when you check whats inside the box I guess you pay at least 20% extra for those looks. Add a lousy Bios (compaqs is famous) and its one of the machines we seriously considered NOT wanting for service. You can add Acers, Leo and IBM to that list. And Siemens as a machine with their name which died was a twin of an Acer... Same case, bios, the lot. Any time you have a problem, you have not just windows problems but Bios/driver problems. Anyway, he shouldnt have had to setup the machine himself. You cannot blame the factory for lazy sales people (unless its cash and carry and then he got as ignorant computer buyer exactly what de deserved). Service is much more important then the box/name if you donot know the basics of what you are buying. The fact that they swapped it indicates to me they donot know what they are selling either... Future of computing? I doubt it, I havent seen anyone here who buys a second Compaq if the first breaks down... HP printers are easy to setup, but again the shop should have done it. We always set them up. Not just to help the customer, but to make sure it works so that when they mess it up we KNOW it was working when it left. Paula Computers will become a more and more integral part of our lives, but Paula they will look and behave nothing like these primitive, difficult to Paula use, unreliable, frustrating tools we use now - and it won't be that Paula long - but in the meantime, there are livings, even fortunes, still to be Paula made. Buy a MAC. seriously, we sell those as well, and sofar all the buyers come, get the system; they install the software and we never see them back unless for addons. Compare that with pc's and the difference is very obvious. This is the only argument I can't refute. In a business aspect, it would most likely behoove RIT Labs to cater to the larger and less savvy market. I love TB, but wouldn't hesitate to look elsewhere if it became bloatware. Paula If RIT Labs thought they had a chance of putting TB on even a small part Paula of corporate desktops, do you think there would be any contest? I doubt they even considered it, as to do that you have to get people to use it and thats by spreading it via all those magazine/shareware sources, preinstalls etc. As long as to the
Re: PGP question
Thursday, October 28, 1999 Hello Michael, Thursday, Thursday, October 28, 1999, you wrote: Michael Hello TBUDL, Michael Sorry for such a basic question... I'm a PGP novice. How do I send Michael someone my key? Attach it. Just make sure you send him the public key and not the secret one (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Out of memory trying to attach 9 megabyte ZIP file
Hi Ralf, Thursday, October 28, 1999, 12:15:07 AM, you wrote: Is anybody able to replicate this? (I already sent a bug report) Ack here too! PII 64 MB of RAM. 7 MB exe file. Ray For my PGP key click below: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_pgp_key -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Welcome, it`s just a test, pls ignore this... /Adam + [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.temp.n/a.pl ICQ#: n/a \ | "Chiquita" | IRC: G_ADam @#zielonka #klub #radiostacja | \ Gobiowski + PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SEND%20PGP / -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?
Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 7:30:11 PM, Thomas wrote: Why? Even if this was meant to offend computers (which it wasn't), why do you take it personally? Because it is an attack on those who don't find computers in that manner. SL difficult to use, I disagree - they are, for the general public. At least "too" difficult. The "general public" finds the concept of breathing too hard. What's your point? SL unreliable I believe this depends on the software - hardware is pretty reliable these days, in my personal experience. That depends on the OS, mostly. Windows is unreliable. Mac is unreliable. Yet these are the systems that were "designed" for the very clueless nits that Paula is talking about. I do see a correlation there. SL or frustrating. sigh I wish you were always right on this one. ;-) Why do you find your computers frustrating. What I find frustrating are the people who do not understand several of my points on why certain things work. Has nothing to do with the computers. So far the computers that I have worked on (the many, MANY computers I have worked on) have all done what I expected of them. It is rare that I find one that does not perform as expected. This is the point were I entirely disagree with you. Expectations that might look "unreasonable" to you today, may be the standard tomorrow. No, what looks unreasonable to me today is, well, unreasonable today. Tomorrow is another day. People have unreasonable expectations *today* for what computers can do *today*. People expect computers to sing, dance, play the fiddle, fart in the wind, do their taxes, and play a mean game of checkers all without them doing a thing. No, ain't gonna happen. Computers are one of the most complex, if not the most complex machine in use by the general population. It is complex because it is designed, from the onset, to be general. We have a machine that can kill you 20 ways to tuesday in a game, help you file your taxes, interface with other computers continents away like it was nothing, etc, etc, etc. In short it performed thousands of barely related tasks. Name another machine that can do that in general use. Now, people are expecting to use this very complex machine with *NO* training at all! People can't even hammer in a nail without some training. The hammer and nail both serve one function. One is designed to drive into material and the other is designed to place a large amount of force on a small area. Yet people need training for that. People need training to drive a car, to cook, to shower, to shave, to vacuum, to do everything in their lives, all of which, by comparison, use tools which are magnitudes less complex than the computer and they expect to be able to use the computer with no training at all. *THAT* is the unreasonable expectation. at Bank A today?") as an example. Keyboards are one of these things nobody wants to use in the future. Love that prediction. You know, there are a slew of people who don't want to use the mouse for many operations you would claim they would not want to use the keyboard for. I'm sorry, I'd rather type out many commands than say them because I can type them faster. rm -rf /foo/* | less "Arr Emm space dash arr eff space slash foo slash star space pipe less" "Computer, recursively and forcably delete all files in the root level directory foo, display the resulting information in the pager less" Oh, yeah, that is much easier. Yeah. *eyeroll* The average user does not need to be beyond complete idiots. Without going too much into detail, I take programming a VCR as an example. Good example. Programming a VCR has gotten easier and easier yet people still find it difficult. It does not matter how easy they make it, people need training and they don't want to put in the time and effort to learn. is that many people whose focus on life is somewhere else than computers, may not be too stupid to use them but simply not inrterested in the complicated way they work now. My focus is computers. Yet I still have taken training to do the many other things that I do in my daily life. Others can do the same for computers. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Out of memory trying to attach 9 megabyte ZIP file
Thursday, October 28, 1999 Hello Ralf, Thursday, Thursday, October 28, 1999, you wrote: Ralf Dear Ali, Ralf you wrote on Thursday, October 28, 1999, 00:59:59: Ralf [snip] And every person on the list who has any inkling of the standards just gnashed their teeth greatly. You are aware that a 9Mb attachment will most likely not be accepted by any point along the way? So it's perhaps deliberate sabotage? :)) Ralf :-) Ralf Well, then why it doesn't tell me "Buddy, this attachment will Ralf most likely not be accepted by any point along the way [OK] [Cancel]"? Ralf ;-) instead? Some servers will say that if you use them... Normally the maximum is set to 2 mb. At least thats what I do so you would get it direct back as refused as outgoing mail... Ralf Joking aside, I think this is a bug and it looks to me like there is Ralf memory not properly being released or there is some other kind of memory Ralf leak. Doesn't leave me with much trust in the general stability of the Ralf program. Memory leaks... well, I think it has them, but not sure if its on its own or in cooperation with other software. You may have mised the discussion last week which was about a similar problem but with 15 mb BMP's being send... Its not just you, if the sending does through it can cause problems on the other side and if it bounces you get that same sized email back to your mail box... Ralf Ralf. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY
Swedish (or other) characters...
Hi. This might be a question that is a bit off topic, but as far as i've seen you TBUDL-people seems nice and friendly smile. Could someone sort out the problem of using 8-bit characters (like swedish letters å ä ö etc.) in emails. I'm trying different settings in TB, but for some recipients my subjects gets all scrambled up. I've tried quoted-printable and base64 in the settings, but nothing seems to fix the problem. AFAIK this mostly depends on the mailserver and/or recipients mailclient. Anyone out there that might provide some information on this matter? Best regards. /Anders -- Anders Engstroem GIS-centrum Dept. of Physical Geography Lund University, Sweden [[EMAIL PROTECTED]][http://anders.natgeo.lu.se] [tfn: (+46) (0)46 222 03 78] [tfn2: (+46) (0)709 620773] - Your mind is like an umbrella - It doesn't work unless it's opened. /Frank Zappa
I try again - Re: 2nd help message
Renzo wrote: Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.19 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 w98 lite (without Explorer + w95 UI) and would like to report a problem The problem description: importing mail from Netscape 4.6: 3 times ok 4th time application and system crashed now: root6 793 inbox 6 160(86) no message displayed outbox4 sent 193(43) trash 174 drafts0 unsent0 var 0(133) if i try to open inbox: 1_ "Exception ElistError in module THEBAT.EXE at 00012816. List index out of bounds" 2_ "Access violaton of address 00589E28. Read of address " 3_ blue screen "Call VxD not valid from VWIN32(05)+119E for "0002" serv "1"" 4_ system crash Any advice? Regards, renzo
Re: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?
In Reference to "THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?" From Steve Lamb: SL Computers are one of the most complex, if not the most complex machine in SL use by the general population. It is complex because it is designed, from the SL onset, to be general. We have a machine that can kill you 20 ways to tuesday SL in a game, help you file your taxes, interface with other computers continents SL away like it was nothing, etc, etc, etc. In short it performed thousands of SL barely related tasks. Name another machine that can do that in general use. While I understand your point (and agree with most of it) I have to take exception to this portion. Computers don't actually "do" a varied amount of things. All they real do is compute. The software has a myriad of uses. To use your hammer anology, I can uses a hammer to build a house, break a rock, crack an egg (gingerly), straighten a bent whatever, etc. But all it's really doing is hammering. Just as a calculator could help me with taxes, build a bridge, and perform a hostile takeover of microsoft (a calculator and the GNP of 17 countries). Yeah, it's a nitpick, I know what you meant, but I had to toss in my 2 cents anyway. ;-) -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 10,000 incompetent convicts make camp in your jacket. Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998
Printing with TB and Epson660 impossible ?
Hello Mailinglist, I try to print out messages from TB with my Epson 660, but this fails whenever I try it. The Epson replacement of the standard spooler pops up, but no printing jobs are displayed. The spooler is closed after two or three seconds. I can print from all other applications without any problems. Is there any hint how to get TB working with my printer ? Best regards, Florian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Printing with TB and Epson660 impossible ?
Ciao Florian, in data giovedì, 28 ottobre 1999, alle 18:03, hai scritto: FS whenever I try it. The Epson replacement of the standard spooler pops FS up, but no printing jobs are displayed. The spooler is closed after I have a 640, I think the drivers can be very similar for interface (I think are the same...), but here no problem -- Ciao! Gian Matteo icq:3946333 The Bat! 1.36
(No Subject)
Hello Batmen (and women), A few days ago I changed my Email-Address for all my mailing lists. (As long as The Bat is not available for the PalmIII I do not read the mailing list on my palm :) ) So I unsubscribed with my old address and subscribed with my new address. I got an confirmation-message, that I am removed from the mailing-list (for my old address), but from that moment I got all the messages twice (really heavy traffic) I enjoy reading the mailing list, and I can confirm, that the Kill-dupes function works fine, but maybe there is a way, how I can remove myself from the mailing list :) All this happend after the big crash, so don´t blame it on the hardware :) -- Best regards, mapapo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Out of memory trying to attach 9 megabyte ZIP file
Hi Ray Vermey, On Donnerstag, 28. Oktober 1999 at 14:29:27 you wrote: Is anybody able to replicate this? (I already sent a bug report) RV Ack here too! PII 64 MB of RAM. 7 MB exe file. Seems to be a problem of 1.36. I certainly did it before, but now the error is reproducible with a 20 MB file on a 256 MB PIII. Hm. Two minutes later: Funny enough, The Bat! didn't exactly crash, I even wrote the first part of this message after the "Out of memory"-message. But it refused to show me any folder contents after that. Had to restart. Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996
Re[7]: Autoformat
Hi Marck D. Pearlstone, On Mittwoch, 27. Oktober 1999 at 20:21:16 you wrote: OS I don't care at all, really. Even if I repeat myself: I want a OS function to auto-format the text I type. MDP I was only saying that that is not what is *there*. Accepted it is MDP what you are suggesting. Thanks ;) MDP Be specific. "Badly thought out" is not. If you're a programmer then MDP you, too, should be able to define a bug clearly. Badly thought out is not specific, you're certainly right about that. But every programmer has to deal with the user (and I am a user of The Bat!, not it's programmer) telling her "I don't like the way this function works for this reason and that". She needs to go to her chamber or whatever and think about which parts of the program from the technical point of view (that's the point you can only really have if you know the source, too) could be faulty in whatever way (notice the absence of the word "bug" here) to cause the user's criticism. OS Making a function work in the way it should have from the start OS has nothing to do with enhancing anything. A bug is not only a OS single point you can lay your hand on and say "this is what has to OS be done to fix it", but it's also failure in concept or OS implementation. IMO, that's exactly the point about a-f. MDP I disagree. "Making a function work better" comes more under the MDP "suggestions for improvement" banner. By definition a "bug" is a logic MDP error which has a defined method for reproducing it and a quantifiable MDP effect on what happens. It seems we have a different understanding of what is a logic error with a... and so on. I've several times described exactly in which cases the a-f function doesn't do what it's supposed to do (or what I think it should do, as AFAIK there's no public statement about that). That behaviour is absolutely reproducible (just like your problem with the quotes) and it certainly has a quantifiable effect (for example, taking our time discussing it ;-) MDP The guys at RIT have a policy of only acknowledging the first report MDP on a specific bug and only notifying that single person of its' cure. MDP It is my belief that they do read them all. LOL. I certainly hope so! [description of several bugs cut] MDP .. in due course? Exactly. I don't believe it's the best way to have a priority list made up of the most interesting programming tasks. Inserting lots of new icons is surely very important, although nice. OS Pardon me for ranting. MDP Pardoned. It's been an interesting debate. :-) It is. Anyway, why don't they make The Bat! open source? I'd immediately take over that a-f function ;) Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996
Re[2]: Out of memory trying to attach 9 megabyte ZIP file
Hi Steve Lamb, On Donnerstag, 28. Oktober 1999 at 18:06:55 you wrote: SL Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 11:55:36 PM, Ralf wrote: I've done it before. Well, a 5 megs attachment went along it's way just fine. Why should some points reject a large message? Is there a general rule or a RFC or something like that that restricts the maximum size of a message? SL The RFCs (I thought it was 822, but it is not, I am now looking for the SL exact one) only guarantee up to 64kb. Furthermore large attachments were, and SL still are, considered a denial of service. Many places will limit the size of SL the message. The average that I have herd of is 5Mb where some are as low as SL 2Mb. I've been telling customers about that 64kb limit all the time... after having tried, I must say many mail server admins don't seem to care about that rumor ;) I send around large files, even 15 MB or so, often, without general problems. Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996
Re[2]: Out of memory trying to attach 9 megabyte ZIP file
Friday, October 29, 1999 Hello Ray, Thursday, Thursday, October 28, 1999, you wrote: Ray Hi Ralf, Ray Thursday, October 28, 1999, 12:15:07 AM, you wrote: Is anybody able to replicate this? (I already sent a bug report) Ray Ack here too! PII 64 MB of RAM. 7 MB exe file. Ray Ray Ray For my PGP key click below: Ray mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_pgp_key Try dragging the big attachment.. the 22 mb attachment was in progress of transfer (ie a 30 mb email!!!) but as I guess you donot want the game I cancelled it. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY bigemail.jpg
Re[8]: Autoformat
On 28 October 1999 at 19:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: MDP Pardoned. It's been an interesting debate. :-) OS It is. Anyway, why don't they make The Bat! open source? I'd OS immediately take over that a-f function ;) ROFL - I'll arm-wrestle you for the job! ;-)) Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998
