Re: complaint: thebat portability

2002-02-04 Thread Gerard de Vries

 
ON Sunday, February 03, 2002, 11:13:02 AM, you wrote:

Jernej It's pretty simple to port The Bat: start RegEdit, go to
Jernej HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT and export the complete folder The
Jernej Bat!. Backup your complete The Bat installation (all folders,
Jernej including all Bat's files - thebat.exe, tbmapi.dll...), reformat the
Jernej hard drive, restore The Bat. If you didn't put it in the same path it
Jernej used before, fix the paths in the REG file, otherwise just import it
Jernej back to registry. Now run The Bat. Everything is just as it was before
Jernej the backup.

Jernej,

 This reminds me of a car mechanic who I saw 30 years ago. He could not
 find the electrical problem that was in the car. so he pulled out all
 the electric wires and rewired the complete car. Easy and quick he
 explained.

 Today the first thing the mechanic does when my car comes in is plug
 it into the computer and with its newest brother you hand the car
 keys to the reception who use the error log stored in the car-key to
 make a workplace order. The car almost tells the mechanic what to do!

 The point, we should try to make TB! not a tool for experts but for
 all users out there. That means easy to configure and intuitive to
 use. That sort of kills the register editing option, sorry.

 BTW extra points for naming my car brand :-)
 
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Re: complaint: thebat portability

2002-02-04 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Gerard!

On Monday, February 4, 2002 at 9:32:29 AM you wrote:

  BTW extra points for naming my car brand :-)
 
Sounds like one of the newer German or Swedish cars. Hmm, the key
element tells me it's electronically started. Renault has a card. BMW,
Audi and Volvo I can't remember. Mercedes Benz uses a funny shaped
electronic key. A clumsy design, much bigger than a normal key, with a
big chip built into it.

For the moment I would say you own a Mercy (E) ...



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Re: delete msg from server - BUG?

2002-02-04 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Andy!

On Monday, February 4, 2002 at 4:31:22 AM you wrote:

 Is the current Betaversion stable enough to try it?

As long as you don't use the RTFV on a Win9x machine: Yes.

Caveat: This was posted after a few days with beta34, 35 just runs for
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Re[2]: complaint: thebat portability

2002-02-04 Thread Jint Nijman

Gerard wrote:

 BTW extra points for naming my car brand :-)

Most probably a Renault Laguna.

Jint Nijman


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Re: Replacing buttons

2002-02-04 Thread Eddie Castelli

Dear John, 

 --- John Phillips / Montag, 04.02.2002, 11:03:15
Replacing buttons


 Just put glyphs.bmp to your installation folder (typically
 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\)

 I did that - restarted Bat!, and the old icons appeared, but in
 black  white. Did I do something wrong ( apart from running
 Windows, ha ha.)

I think they are in BW


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Re[2]: Replacing buttons

2002-02-04 Thread John Phillips



Hello Eddie
You wrote  On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, at 11:41:41 [GMT +0100] (21:41 Australian Eastern 
Time,Monday):

 I think they are in BW


I want my old ones back! (pouting mode)

How do I do this?

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Re[2]: Replacing buttons

2002-02-04 Thread Dave Conroy

I used some different buttons which came out in colour ... there is a
BW set so maybe you used them by mistake.

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Monday, February 04, 2002, 10:41:41 AM, Eddie wrote:

Eddie Castelli Dear John, 

Eddie Castelli  --- John Phillips / Montag, 04.02.2002, 11:03:15
Eddie Castelli Replacing buttons


 Just put glyphs.bmp to your installation folder (typically
 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\)

 I did that - restarted Bat!, and the old icons appeared, but in
 black  white. Did I do something wrong ( apart from running
 Windows, ha ha.)


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Re[3]: Replacing buttons

2002-02-04 Thread John Phillips



Hello Dave
You wrote  On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, at 11:00:54 [GMT +] (22:00 Australian Eastern 
Time,Monday):

 I used some different buttons which came out in colour ... there is a
 BW set so maybe you used them by mistake.


I could only find one link.  Could you e-mail me the ones you have if not too
much a problem?

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Address book

2002-02-04 Thread Headless

If I navigate to an address from the address book with the keyboard
and hit enter, the address name edit box pops up, how do I select an
address with the keyboard?

Also, I can't get rid of 2 folders in the address book Trusted root
CA and Intermediate CA? (they are re-inserted after a restart)

Most peculiar: I had to go back to Batty's main window to find out how
to bring up the address book, the message compose window doesn't have
a button or a menu entry to bring the address book up.


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Re: Replacing buttons

2002-02-04 Thread Eddie Castelli

Dear John, 

 --- John Phillips / Montag, 04.02.2002, 12:01:12
Replacing buttons


 I want my old ones back! (pouting mode)

 How do I do this?

Just delete the .bmp file and restart TB!


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Re: Replacing buttons

2002-02-04 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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 I think they are in BW

 I want my old ones back! (pouting mode)

 How do I do this?

Delete glyphs.bmp (or rename it to bwglyphs.bmp).

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Re[4]: Replacing buttons

2002-02-04 Thread Dave Conroy

Hi John,

Some alternative sets are here:

ftp://ftp.gin.cz/pub/mswindows/the_bat/glyphs/
http://www.dreamer.de/projekte/thebat/

These were posted a few days ago by Jernej Simoncic.

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Re: Address book

2002-02-04 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello Headless,

On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:18:43 +GMT (4-2-2002, 10:18 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

H If I navigate to an address from the address book with the keyboard
H and hit enter, the address name edit box pops up, how do I select an
H address with the keyboard?

 ALtEnter

H Also, I can't get rid of 2 folders in the address book Trusted root
H CA and Intermediate CA? (they are re-inserted after a restart)

 Here too.

H Most peculiar: I had to go back to Batty's main window to find out how
H to bring up the address book, the message compose window doesn't have
H a button or a menu entry to bring the address book up.

 On the right of the To: bar (if it's selected) you find an icon with
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Re: Address book

2002-02-04 Thread Alastair Scott

On 04 February 2002 at 9:18 am Headless wrote:

 If I navigate to an address from the address book with the keyboard
 and hit enter, the address name edit box pops up, how do I select an
 address with the keyboard?

Hit Alt-Enter.

 Also, I can't get rid of 2 folders in the address book Trusted root
 CA and Intermediate CA? (they are re-inserted after a restart)

(The following is a very terse description of a complex issue!)

This (regeneration) is done because, if these address books were
missing, S/MIME encryption and signing of messages would be barely worth
the effort.

In a nutshell, every message signed or encrypted with S/MIME requires at
least two other cryptographic signatures to be present on the
recipient's machine; these are hard-wired into the address books you
mention. If these address books weren't there the recipient would have
to import the other signatures themselves (by a process too complex to
describe here); at the moment, this only occasionally happens because
the hard-wired signatures cover about 95 per cent of cases.

 Most peculiar: I had to go back to Batty's main window to find out how
 to bring up the address book, the message compose window doesn't have
 a button or a menu entry to bring the address book up.

You can either press the small 'file card' button (at the extreme
right-hand end of the To: CC: or BCC: fields when the cursor is in it)
or, more easily, hit F8.

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Re[3]: complaint: thebat portability

2002-02-04 Thread Dave Conroy

Hi Jernej,

OK ... are you saying that when I backup my mail folders then if I
need to ever do a full re-install of The Bat! then simply re-importing
the backup will not be enough to get me up and running? What exactly
is stored in the Reg that would be important to me? I basically need
all my mail and my signature/s ... can't think of anything else.
 
With best wishes,

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Monday, February 04, 2002, 12:01:26 PM, Jernej wrote:

Jernej Simoni It's not perfect, but it's much easier to use than manually exporting
Jernej Simoni the registry...


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Re: Address book

2002-02-04 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Roelof!

On Monday, February 4, 2002 at 1:02:27 PM you wrote:

H Also, I can't get rid of 2 folders in the address book Trusted root
H CA and Intermediate CA? (they are re-inserted after a restart)

  Here too.

Hmmm, I've deleted them months ago - I think it was under 1.53. Since
the files for them are still in my working directory I was a bit
baffled to see that I cannot get them *back*. I just tried that.

If someone can help you to delete those AB's, can someone tell me how
to get them back?*

  On the right of the To: bar (if it's selected) you find an icon with
  an A.

Or use F8.


*BTW, other AB's I deleted (e.g. Verisign) came back with no problem.



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Re[2]: complaint: thebat portability

2002-02-04 Thread ::Andrew::

Hello Alastair,

Sunday, February 03, 2002, 4:36:06 PM, you wrote:

AS It appears to be one of those mind mapping things, except that the
AS nodes of the map can be made up of any (possibly Web-based)
AS information, not just words you type in yourself. I must say the Web
AS site would be greatly helped by screen shots; although the authors are
AS in information management they're not handling it very well
AS themselves!

AS (As my mind is incapable of being mapped by anything in the normal
AS four dimensions, I keep well away from such packages ;)

This was built with a mindmapping tool http://at.omic.co.uk/powertools.htm

Zoot is very different it's a personal information processor.

I'll point you at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZootForum/files/ for
the first chapter in a draft tutorial (with screen shots) which is
being developed by a couple of us users on the zoot list. (it's about
the 6th item down). YOu should pick up the basic concepts pretty
quickly.

The Zoot developer has written a special Bat! email import routine as
well.

There isn't much documentation so the zoot group on yahoo is the best
place to ask questions. but let me say this, there are now two
programmes I just couldn't be with out (that launch on startup) zoot
and TB!

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Re: Address book

2002-02-04 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Dierk,

On Monday, February 4, 2002 at 1:34:14 PM you wrote (at least in
part):

DH Hmmm, I've deleted them months ago - I think it was under 1.53. Since
DH the files for them are still in my working directory I was a bit
DH baffled to see that I cannot get them *back*. I just tried that.

DH If someone can help you to delete those AB's, can someone tell me how
DH to get them back?*

- Open The Bat! Address book.
- make sure View / Certificate Databases is enabled.
- if address books are still not shown:
- Close The Bat!
- Go to your main working dir
  (Options / Preferences / System / Mail Directory)
- There's a file named 'ADDRBOOK.INI' located.
- Open it in a simple text editor.
- search for section '[Profile]'
- search for 'Address Books=xx' with 'xx' any integer value
- there should be 'xx' values named 'Address Book #xx'
- alter 'Address Books=xx' to 'Address Books={eval(xx+2)}'
- add two address book values:
  Address Book #{eval(xx+1)}=IntermCA.ABD
  Address Book #{eval(xx+2)}=RootCA.ABD
- if these entries (IntermCA.ABD  RootCA.ABD) already existed check
  the count for address books in 'Address Books=xx' with current
  'Address Book #xx=' values.
- make sure the 'Address Book #xx' entries are continues increasing
  numbered and the highest number the equal to the one in 'Address
  Books=xx'
- save the .ini file (make make a backup just to be sure?!)
- start The Bat!
- enjoy the revival of your CA-address-books :-)
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Re[2]: complaint: thebat portability

2002-02-04 Thread Jernej Simoni

Hello Gerard,

04. februar 2002, 9:32:29, you wrote:

GdV  The point, we should try to make TB! not a tool for experts but for
GdV  all users out there. That means easy to configure and intuitive to
GdV  use. That sort of kills the register editing option, sorry.

OK, attached are two batch files, which automate the backup process.
You'll need to have RAR.EXE from WinRAR 3.0 somewhere in your path,
but that's all (to get RAR.EXE to the path, copy it to
C:\Windows\Command folder)

- To backup, run BATBACKUP.BAT with Bat's installation folder as
  parameter. So, if you have The Bat installed in C:\Program
  Files\The Bat!\, run this

  BATBACKUP C:\Program Files\The Bat!\

  (note: don't use quotes).

- To restore, copy TheBat_backup.rar, BATRESTORE.BAT and RAR.EXE to
  the root folder of the drive (you can put RAR.EXE somewhere else in
  the path) and run

  BATRESTORE

It's not perfect, but it's much easier to use than manually exporting
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Re: Address book

2002-02-04 Thread Geoff Lane

Monday, February 04, 2002, 9:18:43 AM, Headless wrote:

 Most peculiar: I had to go back to Batty's main window to find out how
 to bring up the address book, the message compose window doesn't have
 a button or a menu entry to bring the address book up.
---

At the right of the To: field are three buttons. The first has a down
arrow and opens a list of most recently used addresses. The second has
a right arrow and opens the address book entry for the current
address. If you have more than one address in the To: field, that
button opens all the entries.

The third button opens an abridged version of the address book called
the Pick email addresses dialog box. Here, you can navigate to the
required address book and group, and choose the required entries.

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Re: Address book

2002-02-04 Thread Jernej Simoni

Hello Headless,

04. februar 2002, 10:18:43, you wrote:

H Most peculiar: I had to go back to Batty's main window to find out how
H to bring up the address book, the message compose window doesn't have
H a button or a menu entry to bring the address book up.

Sure it has - select the To:, CC:, or BCC: field, there are two or
three buttons at the right side of the input field. The last one calls
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Re: Address book

2002-02-04 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Peter!

On Monday, February 4, 2002 at 3:05:01 PM you wrote:

 - make sure View / Certificate Databases is enabled.

D'uh!

So that's my Homer Simpson for this week. Thanks, Peter!

BTW, (as you see below) I still haven't converted to 98SE.


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Re: Address book

2002-02-04 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello Headless,

H If I navigate to an address from the address book with the keyboard
H and hit enter, the address name edit box pops up, how do I select an
H address with the keyboard?

RO  ALtEnter
This edits the properties of the AB entry

 CtrlEnter gives you a new message. Was a bit hasty and afterwards
 I realised I wasn't sure what you wanted. ;-)

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Re[4]: complaint: thebat portability

2002-02-04 Thread Jernej Simoni

Hello Dave,

04. februar 2002, 13:14:12, you wrote:

DC OK ... are you saying that when I backup my mail folders then if I
DC need to ever do a full re-install of The Bat! then simply re-importing
DC the backup will not be enough to get me up and running? What exactly
DC is stored in the Reg that would be important to me? I basically need
DC all my mail and my signature/s ... can't think of anything else.
 
Those two batch files save you from two things:
- creating a dummy account after installation (you don't even need to
  re-install The Bat, just restore the backup)
- re-entering your registration code

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Re[2]: delete msg from server - BUG?

2002-02-04 Thread Jernej Simonèiè

Hello Andy,

04. februar 2002, 17:28:18, you wrote:

 As long as you don't use the RTFV on a Win9x machine: Yes.
 What ist RTFV, please?

New addition in 1.54: Rich Text Viewer (allows you to use proportional
fonts among other things).

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Re[2]: Address book

2002-02-04 Thread Headless

Monday, February 04, 2002, 12:06, you wrote:

H If I navigate to an address from the address book with the
H keyboard and hit enter, the address name edit box pops up, how do
H I select an address with the keyboard?

CtrlEnter

Whoohee, thanks.

Was a bit hasty and afterwards I realised I wasn't sure what you
wanted. ;-)

Ah bother, better go and delete my reply slapping you across the
fingers then ;-)


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Re[2]: Address book

2002-02-04 Thread Headless

Monday, February 04, 2002, 11:49, you wrote:

H Most peculiar: I had to go back to Batty's main window to find out how
H to bring up the address book, the message compose window doesn't have
H a button or a menu entry to bring the address book up.

 Sure it has - select the To:, CC:, or BCC: field, there are two or
 three buttons at the right side of the input field. The last one calls
 up the address book.

Mea culpa, buttons were obscured from view by my LiteStep wharf :)


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Re: delete msg from server - BUG?

2002-02-04 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Andy!

On Monday, February 4, 2002 at 5:28:18 PM you wrote:

 Hi Dierk,

 As long as you don't use the RTFV on a Win9x machine: Yes.
 What ist RTFV, please?

Rich Text Format Viewer, a/k/a RTV (Rich Text Viewer).

PTV is Plain Text Viewer.

The difference is only seen in 1.54(beta), as there is no RTFV in
versions before that.



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Re[3]: Filters -- alphabetizing folders

2002-02-04 Thread ETM

Peter,

Thank you for this.  It took out one password, but refuses to
budge on the second account.  What am I missing?

Elaine

 Hello ETM,

 On Friday, February 1, 2002 at 11:41:12 PM you wrote (at least in
 part):

E Now, how do I get rid of the password dialogue box?

 Do you have set an 'Access Password' in menu 'Account' / 'Set Access
 Password'?

 What's set in 'Options' / 'Network  Administration...' /
 'Privileges'
 for this account? 'Administrator' or 'User'? And the other
 account(s)?
 Should be all set to Admin and w/o (empty) 'Access Password' and you
 should be fine in accessing w/o popup ...


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threading (or really, unthreading) a folder??

2002-02-04 Thread Peter Bennett



How the h*** do you enable and disable threading in a folder?

I somehow got the folder for a mailing list into threading mode and it
is driving me nuts - I want to turn threading OFF!! but can't find any
command to do so, and the help file doesn't provide any help.


  

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Re: threading (or really, unthreading) a folder??

2002-02-04 Thread Melissa Reese

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On Monday, February 04, 2002, at 5:35:49 PM PST, Peter Bennett wrote:

 How the h*** do you enable and disable threading in a folder?

Hello Peter,

You can go to the View menu on the toolbar, go down to View threads
by, and choose None (or any of several threading choices).

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Re: threading (or really, unthreading) a folder??

2002-02-04 Thread Jonathan Wayne

I like using the Alt-number combos; try Alt-1 through Alt-4, and Alt-0 to turn
off.

Now if only threading was a per-folder option!

(Actually use the Help File for TB Help?? Don't bother, it's a lost cause...)

jon

On Monday, February 04, 2002, 8:35:49 PM, Peter Bennett wrote:



PB How the h*** do you enable and disable threading in a folder?

PB I somehow got the folder for a mailing list into threading mode and it
PB is driving me nuts - I want to turn threading OFF!! but can't find any
PB command to do so, and the help file doesn't provide any help.


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Re: threading (or really, unthreading) a folder??

2002-02-04 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Monday, February 4, 2002, 9:54:49 PM, Jonathan Wayne wrote:

 Now if only threading was a per-folder option!

It is, isn't it, if you don't set a folder to use the defaults?

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Re: threading (or really, unthreading) a folder??

2002-02-04 Thread Melissa Reese

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On Monday, February 04, 2002, at 8:07:21 PM PST, Dwight A Corrin
wrote:

 Now if only threading was a per-folder option!

 It is, isn't it, if you don't set a folder to use the defaults?

Yes - it's one of the things I really appreciate about TB!'s threading
options.  Each folder I want threaded in a particular way remembers
it's individual setting.

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