Re: Deleting from Server _after_ downloading and reading

2002-06-20 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Thursday, June 20, 2002, Jim wrote...

 Could someone give me some pointers on how to _selectively_ delete
 messages from the server after I have popped them at work (leaving a
 copy on the server), read them, and decided I don't want to download
 them again on my home system?

Account - Dispatch Mail on Server - All Mail (Make sure you have an
account selected, and not a common folder)

You can then select which emails you want to keep/remove on the
server, simplly by selecting, and pressing delete (to remove), or
putting a tick in the delete box.

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Re: Deleting from Server _after_ downloading and reading

2002-06-20 Thread Thomas F

Hello Jim,

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:00:36 -0700 GMT (20/06/02, 23:00 +0700 GMT),
Jim wrote:

J   Could someone give me some pointers on how to _selectively_ delete
J   messages from the server after I have popped them at work (leaving a
J   copy on the server), read them, and decided I don't want to download
J   them again on my home system?

Sounds like a case for the Mail Dispatcher:
Account / Despatch Mail on Server / All messages. Mark the ones you
don't want to download again, and then hit the colourful circle.

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Re: Message Editor

2002-06-20 Thread Damian Gerow

Spake Marck D Pearlstone on 6/20/2002, at 16:56:48 +0100:
 Hi Damian,

 Quick Templates are your friend. Give them love and homage! g

:)  I am a *HUGE* fan of the Quick Templates.  I'm already abusing them.

 Put your signatures (no cut mark - you know, dash-dash-space-enter)
 into quick templates, one for each, pre-formatted as required and
 containing the macro %ISSIGNATURE. Give them a simple handle, e.g.
 TECH, GPGS. In your main templates you can use (e.g.)
 %QINCLUDE=TECH. There's a bonus here. You can change sigs on the
 fly. In the middle of a message. Type TECHCtrl-Space and *shazamm*,
 everything below the cut mark vanishes and is replaced by your TECH
 sig without even ruffling the cursor position.

Odd that you should say that -- I've got a TECH signature already set up.  I
/had/ %QINCLUDE=TECH before, but didn't want it on all outbound messages.
The ctrlspace bit is, in poor english, f*ing amazing.  That saves my
problem, period.

 You know - you did it! ;-)

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Re[2]: Under account/properties/options the ** periodically checking each * does not work

2002-06-20 Thread vj135doppa

Hello Dave Gorman,

Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:54 AM


DG Wednesday, June 19, 2002, 8:04:15 PM, vj135doppa wrote:

v i have checked the box that periodically checks mail after a
v certain interval.(accounts/properties/options))I have set it
v to 15 mins.But it's not checking at that time.

DG Is it successfully performing the initial check?

DG Are you using ZoneAlarm?

Yes it is successfully performing the initial ck on startup.
yes. i am using zonealarm pro 3

do pl reply back






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Re[2]: Deleting from Server _after_ downloading and reading

2002-06-20 Thread Jim

On, 6/20/2002, Thomas said:

 Hello Jim,

 On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:00:36 -0700 GMT (20/06/02, 23:00 +0700 GMT),
 Jim wrote:

J   Could someone give me some pointers on how to _selectively_ delete
J   messages from the server after I have popped them at work (leaving a
J   copy on the server), read them, and decided I don't want to download
J   them again on my home system?

 Sounds like a case for the Mail Dispatcher:
 Account / Despatch Mail on Server / All messages. Mark the ones you
 don't want to download again, and then hit the colourful circle.

  So there is no way to do this _without_ the Dispatch Mail feature? I
  have used Dispatch Mail before, and it is a clunky interface. Here's
  a scenario that might help illustrate my interest in a feature like
  this:

  Let's say that today I get 300 messages total throughout the day
  from various mailing lists, etc. As is the case with far too many
  mailing lists, the signal to noise ratio is pretty lousy, but I
  remain subscribed to many of them for the real gems that come
  through fairly regularly.

  So I want to pop the messages, and thread them in TB, and then
  delete the lame threads while keeping the good ones. So I may see
  80-100 threads and only want to keep 15-20 of them (or about 300
  emails, and want to keep 45-70 of them).

  Viewing the mail in TB and then opening the Dispatch Mail window is
  not especially efficient IMO. I was just wondering if TB had a
  better way of doing it than that.  :)

  Thanks, all, for the quick responses.

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Re: Deleting from Server _after_ downloading and reading

2002-06-20 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Jim,

On Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 6:24:38 PM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

J   So I want to pop the messages, and thread them in TB, and then
J   delete the lame threads while keeping the good ones.

You could try activating

'Account' / 'Properties' / 'Mail management' / 'Delete message from server
when it is removed from Trash'

This will delete mail from server when you've deleted them from Trash
locally and fetch your e-mail next time.
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Re: Advanced filtering by age

2002-06-20 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Thursday, June 20, 2002, Nick Danger wrote...

 Is this from the created on or received on field?  It seems to act
 like it's a received on field.  If so, is there anyone besides myself
 who would find the ability to use this on the created date field
 handy?

I'd find it *very* useful if we could filter on created date instead
of received on date... A lot of the spam I get through is dated either
way in the future (2026 is one), or way back in the past (1983 for
example).  Would be a good start on that ;)

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Re: Deleting from Server _after_ downloading and reading

2002-06-20 Thread Thomas F

Hello Jim,

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:24:38 -0700 GMT (20/06/02, 23:24 +0700 GMT),
Jim wrote:

J   So there is no way to do this _without_ the Dispatch Mail feature? I
J   have used Dispatch Mail before, and it is a clunky interface.

Allow me to disagree. I used to telnet into my account and delete
messages with pine (which is located on the unix server of my ISP),
but when I discovered the Mail Dispatcher, telnet went back to the
dark regions of my PC.

J Here's a scenario that might help illustrate my interest in a
J feature like this:

[...]
Ah. The idea is good. Let me compare it a bit to a newsreader with
which you would download only the threads you are interested in. I
don't know whether this would be possible with a mail client, so let's
hear what the experts say.

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Re: Advanced filtering by age

2002-06-20 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Nick,

On Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 6:34:04 PM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

ND is there anyone besides myself who would find the ability to use this
ND on the created date field handy?

There is ... in fact, there is ... :-/ Does it help to find it handy? :-(
Seems not, since aeons it's received ... the last criteria I do use for
anything as it's even not when the mail was delivered to final MTA but when
I did fetch it ... doesn't help really much if 200 mails have the same time
stamp :-(
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templates again

2002-06-20 Thread Deborah W

Hi all,

I've just created a very simple quick template. Works fine.

However - the folder I was in when I created it now doesn't quote any
text at all when I reply, whether I just hit the reply button, or
whether I highlight text  press F4. Big blank email.

It's only happening in this folder; it's fine in all the other folders
in the same account, but it's happening to every email in this folder.
So it's not the account template at fault. It's not a folder template
either; I checked that too. All the emails are from an email list, so
I looked at the name of the email list in my AB. The checkbox for use
a specific template wasn't checked, so shouldn't it have been using
the regular account template I'd set up for that account?

I checked the box  wrote a new template in the window,  it now
works, but I'm trying to work out what went wrong so I can avoid it
happening again. Anyone know?

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Re: Advanced filtering by age

2002-06-20 Thread Thomas F

Hello Nick,

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:34:04 -0500 GMT (20/06/02, 23:34 +0700 GMT),
Nick Danger wrote:

ND A question about the advanced filtering: Message is older than/message
ND is newer than option.

ND Is this from the created on or received on field?  It seems to act
ND like it's a received on field.  If so, is there anyone besides myself
ND who would find the ability to use this on the created date field
ND handy?

If so (and I haven't checked it), I second your suggestion.

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Re: Deleting from Server _after_ downloading and reading

2002-06-20 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Thursday, June 20, 2002, Thomas F wrote...

 Allow me to disagree. I used to telnet into my account and delete
 messages with pine (which is located on the unix server of my ISP),
 but when I discovered the Mail Dispatcher, telnet went back to the
 dark regions of my PC.

Your ISP still allows telnet?  Damn... they're living in the dark
ages, and just begging to be hacked.

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Re[2]: prev/next messages

2002-06-20 Thread Adam

Hello Marck,

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 12:28:41 PM, you wrote:

MDP Ctrl-Up/Down will do that. Also Ctrl-]/[ will navigate you through
MDP unread messages.

Ctrl-] usually does not work for me.

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Re: Why won`t the Bat get rid of old mail

2002-06-20 Thread Adam

Hello Marcus,

Tuesday, June 18, 2002, 10:51:13 AM, you wrote:

 I have the mailing list folders set to not have more than 150 mails in
 them (Using the folders properties window). Befor this I tried the get
 it to delete mails after 10 days. neither of these settings seem to do
 anything.

MO Did you tic Remove old messages and Compress the folder in the On
MO exit-section just below the settings you refer to?

I ticked those off, and messages are still remaining in the folder.

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Re: Connection Centre remains open after fetching multiple accounts

2002-06-20 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Philipp,

on Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:16:38 +0200GMT (same here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PW I'm new to The Bat!, and I must say it's really a fantastic
PW e-mail-client.

Welcome! You'll discover many other features over time. :o)

The Bat! is really marvelous, despite...

PW ... one little problem: The Connection Centre sometimes
PW remains open when checking my e-mail accounts.

Happens here too from time to time (not very often). Abort usually
suffices. So, it's a move to the better, as in some former versions the
only way to close the CC was ctrl + alt + del ... ;o)

PW Now is this some bug or can I change some account settings?

Still a bug, I'm afraid. If there were any settings to change, I'd like to
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Re: Deleting from Server _after_ downloading and reading

2002-06-20 Thread Thomas F

Hello Jonathan,

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:46:59 -0500 GMT (20/06/02, 23:46 +0700 GMT),
Jonathan Angliss wrote:

JA Your ISP still allows telnet?  Damn... they're living in the dark
JA ages, and just begging to be hacked.

Yes and no (it is not this account, BTW). When I telnet into my
account on port 23, pine will automatically launch. Once you quit
pine, the connection will be terminated. I keep asking them for shell
access (which I had in the beginning, using ksh), but they refuse,
quoting security reasons.

I would really like to have my shell access back. Isn't there a way
under unix they can restrict me to my home directory? (Is this OT?)

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Re: Deleting from Server _after_ downloading and reading

2002-06-20 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Thursday, June 20, 2002, Thomas F wrote...

 Yes and no (it is not this account, BTW). When I telnet into my
 account on port 23, pine will automatically launch. Once you quit
 pine, the connection will be terminated. I keep asking them for shell
 access (which I had in the beginning, using ksh), but they refuse,
 quoting security reasons.

Ahhh... technically they have given you shell access, they just
modified a file on the server that runs as soon as you login (on bash,
it's .bash_login or something like that), which spawns pine to open.
As for how they kick you off again when you quit, I'm not sure.

 I would really like to have my shell access back. Isn't there a way
 under unix they can restrict me to my home directory? (Is this OT?)

Yes, they can... it's a pain trying to do it for telnet/ssh as most
shell's no longer support the /:/ in the passwd file.  And OT it is ;)

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Re: Deleting from Server _after_ downloading and reading

2002-06-20 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Thursday, June 20, 2002, Jonathan Angliss wrote...

 Ahhh... technically they have given you shell access, they just
 modified a file on the server that runs as soon as you login (on bash,
 it's .bash_login or something like that), which spawns pine to open.
 As for how they kick you off again when you quit, I'm not sure.

Should have also said telnet is *still* a bad way of doing it... it's
easy to listen in on plain text :P  They should at least use SSH.

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Re: Under account/properties/options the ** periodically checking each * does not work

2002-06-20 Thread Dave Gorman

Thursday, June 20, 2002, 11:12:02 AM, vj135doppa wrote:

 Yes it is successfully performing the initial ck on startup.

So we know that TB is successfully talking to your server

 yes. i am using zonealarm pro 3

That's probably what your problem is. I've been using the free
version of ZA in conjunction with TB (on Win2K and WinXP) without
ever having any problems at all. However, I apparently am in the
minority. Many people have reported problems with TB that were
eliminated by the complete removal of ZoneAlarm (apparently it's
a pain to remove and you have to get instructions from
ZoneAlarm's site).

Other software firewalls apparently do not cause problems with
TB -- although I don't know of any others that I myself would
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Re: TB bombs when doing a send/check all

2002-06-20 Thread Matthias Appel

Blarp [B] wrote:

B Unfortunately it blows away fast and completely so the access
B violation message doesn't stay on screen long enough to read.

Well, today I've got these 3 AVs while checking all 4 accounts
with mail in everyone of them. Filters were applied on messages of 3
accounts:

AV at address 778821E1 in module 'ntdll.dll'. Read of address 001C.
AV at address 778821E1 in module 'ntdll.dll'. Read of address 63697284.
AV at address 778821E1 in module 'ntdll.dll'. Read of address 343A394D.


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ABD files corrupted

2002-06-20 Thread Rickos

Hello,

My problem is about reading adressbook files (format of tb v1.49)
When i open these files, adress books is added in tree view(left frame
with a good labels) but its contains nothing :( (same result with
v1.60q); i suspect a problem with a migration between 1.49 - 1.60, and
now tb 1.49 don't read its too.

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Re[2]: Under account/properties/options the ** periodically checking each * does not work

2002-06-20 Thread vj135doppa

Hello Dave Gorman,

Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:00 PM


DG Thursday, June 20, 2002, 11:12:02 AM, vj135doppa wrote:

 Yes it is successfully performing the initial ck on startup.

DG So we know that TB is successfully talking to your server

 yes. i am using zonealarm pro 3

DG That's probably what your problem is. I've been using the free
DG version of ZA in conjunction with TB (on Win2K and WinXP) without
DG ever having any problems at all. However, I apparently am in the
DG minority. Many people have reported problems with TB that were
DG eliminated by the complete removal of ZoneAlarm (apparently it's
DG a pain to remove and you have to get instructions from
DG ZoneAlarm's site).

DG Other software firewalls apparently do not cause problems with
DG TB -- although I don't know of any others that I myself would
DG use...

 I have done the following:

 1)UN-INSTALLED Zonealarm pro 3
 2)UN-INSTALLED Norton Anti-virus
 3)UN-INSTALLED yahoo pops

 Did CTRL + DELETE = confirmed that no other application is
 running.Now i start web2pop it still says another application is
 using port 110.Although it says that there is an icon of web2pop in
 the system tray so i right click it and change the port # to port
 8110 as mentioned in their website FAQ.Now it say another app is
 using port 8110.

 There is nothing else running but it says port so and so is still
 being used by another application.

 any ideas?





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Re: web2pop (was Re: Under account/properties/options the ** periodically checking each * does not work...)

2002-06-20 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Thursday, June 20, 2002, vj135doppa wrote...

  Did CTRL + DELETE = confirmed that no other application is
  running.Now i start web2pop it still says another application is
  using port 110.Although it says that there is an icon of web2pop in
  the system tray so i right click it and change the port # to port
  8110 as mentioned in their website FAQ.Now it say another app is
  using port 8110.

  There is nothing else running but it says port so and so is still
  being used by another application.

  any ideas?

Sounds to me like something has crashed, and Windows is reporting the
port is locked... have you tried a nice fresh reboot?

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Re: My 2 cents

2002-06-20 Thread Paul Wilson

Thursday, 6/20/02, 12:02 PM

Hi Marck,
On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, at 20:14:10 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:14 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'My 2 cents'

 I'm still wondering what Paul said. Should I alter my settings?

 Thinking about it I don't like it. I'd prefer Paul to write plain
 text. :-)

 So would Paul!!!

I think the growling must have been the hamster that powers this
thing. When I whacked it I must have knocked him off his wheel.
In revenge, he changed my settings to base 64.  :)

 Your communication is greatly appreciated,
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Re: web2pop (was Re: Under account/properties/options the ** periodically checking each * does not work...)

2002-06-20 Thread Mrten

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 On Thursday, June 20, 2002, vj135doppa wrote...

  There is nothing else running but it says port so and so is still
  being used by another application.

 Sounds to me like something has crashed, and Windows is reporting the
 port is locked... have you tried a nice fresh reboot?

install kerio firewall (www.kerio.com); besides being a very nice firewall
it will also tell you which programs keep which ports open.

Mrten.

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Re: Under account/properties/options the ** periodically checking each * does not work

2002-06-20 Thread Gerard


ON Thursday, June 20, 2002, 1:32:14 PM, you wrote:


RO I'm missing the %quotes, that's a rather important macro for replies,
RO IMNSHO.


Hi Roelof,

I said it was basic ;-)
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Re: Initials in timeline?

2002-06-20 Thread Matthias Appel

Januk Aggarwal [JA] wrote:

JA There is a mistake in that regular expression.  Put this one where you
JA want the [JA]:

JA [%SETPATTREGEXP=(.*)\s*\|%-
JA %REGEXPMATCH=%QUOTESTYLE='I'%QUOTES='|']%-

Ehm. My bad and thanks to Januk. Now this regex is not only working
but well formed :-))


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SMTP Transport configuration

2002-06-20 Thread Damian Gerow

And a couple more questions on the Transport configuration, SMTP section.

I can't seem to get TLS to work properly with my mail server.  I can see
that it transmits the certificate, but then dies very shortly afterwards.
It's a self-signed cert -- do I need to import it into TB!?  Here's a
snippet from the maillog:

Jun 20 15:44:44 smtp sm-mta[69322]: NOQUEUE: connect from pyroxene.sentex.ca 
[199.212.134.18]
Jun 20 15:44:44 smtp sm-mta[69322]: AUTH: available mech=LOGIN PLAIN ANONYMOUS 
DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5, allowed mech=PLAIN LOGIN DIGEST-MD5
Jun 20 15:44:44 smtp sm-mta[69322]: g5KJii7T069322: Milter (milter-amavis): init 
success to negotiate
Jun 20 15:44:44 smtp sm-mta[69322]: g5KJii7T069322: Milter: connect to filters
Jun 20 15:44:44 smtp sm-mta[69322]: g5KJii7T069322: milter=milter-amavis, 
action=connect, continue
Jun 20 15:44:44 smtp sm-mta[69322]: STARTTLS=server, error: accept failed=0, 
SSL_error=1, timedout=0
Jun 20 15:44:44 smtp sm-mta[69322]: STARTTLS=server: 69322:error:140943F2:SSL 
routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert unexpected 
message:/usr/src/secure/lib/libssl/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/../ssl/s3_pkt.c:964:SSL
 alert number 10
Jun 20 15:44:44 smtp sm-mta[69322]: g5KJii7T069322: pyroxene.sentex.ca 
[199.212.134.18] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA

Any ideas?

-

And secondly, SMTP AUTH seems to be broken?  Using standard authentication,
I log in fine via AUTH LOGIN.  If I require MD5 login authentication (radio
button option), I don't try anything at all:

220 smtp SMTP Sendmail 8.12.2/8.12.2;.Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:46:22 -0400 (EDT)
  The SMTP server welcomes me.
EHLO plebeian
  I introduce myself.
250-smtp Hello pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18], pleased to meet you
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-PIPELINING
250-8BITMIME
250-SIZE
250-DSN
250-ETRN
250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN DIGEST-MD5
250-STARTTLS
250-DELIVERBY
250.HELP
  The mail server welcomes me, and says it can do AUTH PLAIN, AUTH LOGIN,
   and AUTH DIGEST-MD5 -- the latter is what I want.
MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  And I don't even try a login

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Re: TB bombs when doing a send/check all

2002-06-20 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Thursday, June 20, 2002, Matthias Appel wrote...

 AV at address 778821E1 in module 'ntdll.dll'. Read of address 001C.
 AV at address 778821E1 in module 'ntdll.dll'. Read of address 63697284.
 AV at address 778821E1 in module 'ntdll.dll'. Read of address 343A394D.

Funny... I was just closing down TB! after burning a CD-ROM with Nero,
and it gave an access violation, but I didn't notice it, was clicking
okay to a whole load of messages, when I tried restarting TB! I got an
Access Violation in exactly the same DLL.

Access violation at address 77F7E22A in module 'ntdll.dll'. Read of
address 0A0D3E8B.

After I rebooted my PC, TB! came up fine without a glitch.

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Using the new macro's in filters?

2002-06-20 Thread Gerrit Kiers

Dear list,

I read in the 'The Bat! new version announcement' that several new macro's are
available. I need something like these (%PROGRAMDIR, %MAILDIR, %ACCOUNTDIR,
%ACCOUNTATTACHDIR) to use them inside filters. I mean I would like to use them
when 'extracting attached file to', 'run external program' and so on, to be able
to limit all account-activity to the %ACCOUNTDIR. (This would facilitate moving my
accounts between different PC's easily).

Seems not possible, right?

Any work-around?

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Re[2]: *Reply* -- to address that's in my AB --SOME TIPS

2002-06-20 Thread Aaron Green

Okay, finally got all this working and thought I'd share a couple of
tips:

1) Since the same macro needs to be used for multiple address book
(AB) groups and multiple accounts, I'm using .txt files for the
macros: one set for address-book-level macros (tb!AbNew.txt,
tb!AbReply.txt, tb!AbFwd.txt), and one set for account-level macros
(tb!new.txt, tb!reply.txt, tb!fwd.txt). You just enter (for ex.) the
following as your macro:

 %INCLUDE=[your directory]\tb!AbNew.txt--for AB macros

or

 %INCLUDE=[your directory]\tb!new.txt  --for account macros

2) It seems that sometimes macro changes aren't seen by TB! until a
restart of TB! (so your macro isn't necessarily broken until you
restart TB! and it still doesn't work!)

3) Most macro-saavy people already know this, but I thought I'd share
how I got the functionality I wanted: getting Nickname from my
address book (when available) to show up in my greeting, even if I'm
replying to an existing message rather than hitting New message to
an existing contact. This means:

if I hit [NEW MSG] for address book entry KAYE GREEN, I get

Dear Mom,

or if I hit [REPLY TO] msg from [EMAIL PROTECTED], I still get

Dear Mom,

  Here's basically how to get the greetings to come out like this.
  (NOTE: I'm attaching the .txt files I came up with, too.)

 For the address book groups that have people with nicknames:
 ---
 
For the new msg, reply to, and forward macros:

%IF:%AbTOHandle=:%AbTOFirstName:%AbTOHandle,


   But what about messages for people not in your address book? For
   example, JOHN SMITH writes you and when you reply you want it to
   say
   
Dear John,

   or, if there's no First Name defined by his message to you,

Dear John Smith,

   (which is his whole name)--then you can just edit to say John or
   Mr. Smith or whatever.

   To get these greetings, you can use code like the following in the
   ACCOUNT-based macros (which will be called ONLY if John Smith's
   email address is NOT in your address book groups where you've
   defined macros as above!).
   
 For the account-based macros:
 -
 
For the new msg and forward macros:

%IF:%TOFirstName=:%TOName:%TOFirstName,

For the reply to macros:

%IF:%OFROMFNAME=:%OFROMNAME:%OFROMFNAME,



These are obviously very simple macros that don't try to take other
special cases into account (for example, the difference between From
and Reply-To addresses) and which assume that if you want to call
someone something special (e.g., Mom or Dr. Smith [vs. John])
that you have put that special name in the Nickname field in the
address book.

Still, thought they'd be helpful for basic functionality and learning.
Hope this helps.

Aaron



Aaron Green, MD
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%IF:%AbTOHandle=:%AbTOFirstName:%AbTOHandle,

%Cursor


Best regards,
%FromFName


Aaron Green, MD
%FromAddr

%IF:%AbTOHandle=:%AbTOFirstName:%AbTOHandle,

%Cursor

Best regards,
%FromFName

*Forwarded message*
[From: %OFromName %OFromAddr]
[Subject: %OSubj]

%Text
*End of original message text*



Aaron Green, MD
%FromAddr

%IF:%AbTOHandle=:%AbTOFirstName:%AbTOHandle,

%Cursor

%Quotes

Best regards,
%FromFName


Aaron Green, MD
%FromAddr


%IF:%TOFirstName=:%TOName:%TOFirstName,

%Cursor

Best regards,
%FromFName

*Forwarded message*
[From: %OFromName %OFromAddr]
[Subject: %OSubj]

%Text
*End of original message text*



Aaron Green, MD
%FromAddr

%IF:%TOFirstName=:%TOName:%TOFirstName,

%Cursor


Best regards,
%FromFName


Aaron Green, MD
%FromAddr

%IF:%OFROMFNAME=:%OFROMNAME:%OFROMFNAME,

%Cursor

%Quotes

Best regards,
%FromFName


Aaron Green, MD
%FromAddr



Re[2]: *Reply* -- to address that's in my AB

2002-06-20 Thread Aaron Green

PS: is there any way to get around defining macros for every group in
the address book? (i.e., is there no way to create a default for
groups or entries that are not in a group in the address book?)

Thanks



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Re: My 2 cents

2002-06-20 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Marck,

On Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 9:14:10 PM you [MDP] wrote (at least in
part):

MDP No - I had to export the message and feed it through a MIME decoder to
MDP read it myself.

Albeit I've written a small and easy decoder for myself there's a more
easy and obvious way of doing it :-)

Save the message as MBX, MSG or EML, open it in a text editor and
simply insert the header line

Content-Transfer-Encoding: Base64

somewhere in the headers. Import the message back and delete the
'original' ... the re-imported copy is identically in every issue,
even 'Received' date.

Now you can re-read the message even years later w/o exporting and
feeding through Base64-Decoder :-)
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Re: *Reply* -- to address that's in my AB

2002-06-20 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Aaron,

@20 June 2002, 16:31:20 -0400 (21:31 UK time) Aaron Green wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 PS: is there any way to get around defining macros for every group in
 the address book? (i.e., is there no way to create a default for
 groups or entries that are not in a group in the address book?)

Yes - the Account templates!

BTW - nice set of file templates but did you consider using Quick
Templates for the job? They reload without a restart and are more
accessible for editing.

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Re: SMTP Transport configuration

2002-06-20 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Damian,

On Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 10:02:26 PM you [DG] wrote (at least in
part):

DG And a couple more questions on the Transport configuration, SMTP section.

DG I can't seem to get TLS to work properly with my mail server.  I can see
DG that it transmits the certificate, but then dies very shortly afterwards.
DG It's a self-signed cert -- do I need to import it into TB!?

You do need.
You'll have to import it's public key into a newly created entry in
'Root CA'. The latter _is_ important.
Moreover the CN in certificate has to match exactly the server name
you've entered in account settings.

So if the cert is (self) signed for 'mail.me.com' you'll have to use
'mail.me.com' in account!!!

DG And secondly, SMTP AUTH seems to be broken?

cannot confirm.

DG Using standard authentication,

Should work.

DG I log in fine via AUTH LOGIN.  If I require MD5 login authentication (radio
DG button option), I don't try anything at all:

Quite normal.

The Bat! uses 'CRAM-MD5' not 'DIGEST-MD5'. So if you _require_ it to
use 'CRAM-MD5' it cannot authenticate at all as this method ain't
offered by your MTA.

'AUTH PLAIN'  'AUTH LOGIN' should work nevertheless.
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Re: My 2 cents

2002-06-20 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Peter,

@20 June 2002, 22:55:47 +0200 (21:55 UK time) Peter Palmreuther wrote
in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Save the message as MBX, MSG or EML, open it in a text editor and
 simply insert the header line

 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Base64

 Now you can re-read the message even years later w/o exporting and
 feeding through Base64-Decoder :-)

Oh yes! Nice one! g

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Auto-reply by filter no longer working :-(

2002-06-20 Thread Chris Weaven

Hi,

I was using a filter to do an auto reply to any mails received to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] that was recommended by fellow users here because I had
a problem with it filtering between that added and my other address
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

We came up with ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] and to allow regular expressions.

This was working fine but now appears to have stopped! working much to
my distress!? :-(

The only things that have changed is I've added in the filter to sort
The Bat! using the guidelines attached to the 'welcome' mail and I've
added a few quick templates, but that's it.

My guess is it's got something to do with the filter added for any
'tbudl' messages.

Can anyone help please?

Thanks,

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Re: SMTP Transport configuration

2002-06-20 Thread Damian Gerow

Spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 6/20/2002, at 23:05:02 +0200:
 You do need.
 You'll have to import it's public key into a newly created entry in
 'Root CA'. The latter _is_ important.
 Moreover the CN in certificate has to match exactly the server name
 you've entered in account settings.

 So if the cert is (self) signed for 'mail.me.com' you'll have to use
 'mail.me.com' in account!!!

Already done.  I'll try to find out how to import the public key...

DG And secondly, SMTP AUTH seems to be broken?

 cannot confirm.

DG Using standard authentication,

 Should work.

And works exactly as it is supposed to.

DG I log in fine via AUTH LOGIN.  If I require MD5 login authentication (radio
DG button option), I don't try anything at all:

 Quite normal.

 The Bat! uses 'CRAM-MD5' not 'DIGEST-MD5'. So if you _require_ it to
 use 'CRAM-MD5' it cannot authenticate at all as this method ain't
 offered by your MTA.

 'AUTH PLAIN'  'AUTH LOGIN' should work nevertheless.

Ah -- thanks.  I'll recompile the libraries to provide CRAM-MD5.



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Re: SMTP Transport configuration

2002-06-20 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Damian,

On Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 11:20:31 PM you [DG] wrote (at least in
part):

 So if the cert is (self) signed for 'mail.me.com' you'll have to use
 'mail.me.com' in account!!!

DG Already done.  I'll try to find out how to import the public key...

Save the public key in a textual file, preferred extended '.pem'.
if you do use the 'internal' S/MIME implementation open the address
book entry for your server, go to 'Certificates' tab and 'Import' one
... the text file you've saved the public key to.

When using 'MS-Crypot API' for S/MIME you'll have to import the
.pem-file in e.g. Internet Explorer settings / Content / Certificates
into 'Trusted Root certification Authorities'

 The Bat! uses 'CRAM-MD5' not 'DIGEST-MD5'. So if you _require_ it to
 use 'CRAM-MD5' it cannot authenticate at all as this method ain't
 offered by your MTA.

 'AUTH PLAIN'  'AUTH LOGIN' should work nevertheless.

DG Ah -- thanks.  I'll recompile the libraries to provide CRAM-MD5.

Do so ... if done you'll not even need to tell The Bat! using
CRAM-MD5, it will do automatically, as it chooses the most secure
authentication method available. So if your server announces CRAM-MD%
capabilities in it's EHLO-greeting The Bat! will automatically choose
it. The 'Require' is only to make sure that if the server drops
CRAM-MD5 capabilities for any reason (e.g. ISP renews the server and
forgets to compile CRAM-MD5 into it) it will not try to send your
password in plain text.

So .. as long as this is _your_ server there's no real need to enable
the 'Require ..' unless you expect somebody might 'hijack' your server
and you'll be sure never giving out the plain text password (which
should be your smallest problem if the server is hacked *GGG*)

HTH Pit.

P.S.: One thing left:

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being in replies it's a good idea to follow the welcome message and
insert a signature delimiter at least below your mail, ideally above
your signature.
A signature delimiter is '-- ' followed by Enter
(dashdashspaceenter), all on one line, at the very beginning
and the only content of that line. The 'space' _is_ important.

If you want to re-read the welcome message it's located here:

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/subtbudl.txt
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Re: Auto-reply by filter no longer working :-(

2002-06-20 Thread Marcus Ohlström


On Thursday, June 20, 2002, 23:22, Chris Weaven wrote:

 The only things that have changed is I've added in the filter to
 sort The Bat! using the guidelines attached to the 'welcome' mail
 and I've added a few quick templates, but that's it.

 My guess is it's got something to do with the filter added for any
 'tbudl' messages.

The filters are interpreted from top to bottom and TB! stops when it
first hits a filter that matches. If you want to keep processing with
other filters, tic Continue processing with other filters on the
Options tab.

Does this information help?

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Edited Shortcut file to find

2002-06-20 Thread Peter Kerekes

Hello TheBat! Mailing List

I made some changes in my directories of Bat to be able to backup all my
data files. Everything appears to be working except I made some keyboard
shortcuts  which  disappeared.  I  presume  I have not moved the file which
contains the shortcuts.

Would appreciate any advise of which file contains them.
  
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Re: Redirect with TB1.60

2002-06-20 Thread Allie C Martin

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CR The only solution I have found is to modify manually each REPLY-TO
CR field putting the original sender... :-(

You likely have a reply-to name and address specified in your account
setup. I'd delete those. They aren't necessary unless they differ from
your from address.

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Re[2]: SPAM filter with The Bat (Mailwasher program)

2002-06-20 Thread Daniel van Rooijen [CopyCats]


Hi Marck,

Your SpamCop filters work great now. I've reported 32 spammers so far
in just two days (should I be glad or sad? :)

I haven't had any responses from ISP's yet. From what I understand,
SpamCop will forward those to me. I was thinking that maybe I should
use the comment field in the reports to inform the spammer that it was
me who turned them in, and that they'd better take me off their
mailing lists or I'll do it again. What do you think? They might
bombard me with hate mail instead :)

In closing: Whenever spamcop.bat is run, it leaves a DOS window on my
screen that has to be closed manually. I just solved this minor
annoyance by putting @echo off as the first line in the template for
Spamcop.bat.

Best,

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Re: Questions

2002-06-20 Thread Allie C Martin

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Damian Gerow [DG] wrote:

DG 1) How do I get TB! to cache my GPG passphrase for, say, five
DG minutes?

Currently, the GnuPG plugin doesn't support caching the passphrase for
variable periods of time. It only caches the passphrase all the time.
That should be more like ... store the passphrase. :-/

The password cache may be cleared by deleting the file
pwdcache.ini. It's in the /The Bat!/Mail directory.

DG It's a pain to type in every time, but I'd like it to be forgotten
DG if it isn't used for a period of time -- preferrably
DG user-specified.

It's kind of cumbersome to be deleting the ini file all the time so
you could use GPG Shell where you can easily clear the password cache.
However, you'd have to sign with GPG Shell.

DG 2) Is it possible to use an external editor?

I guess it is, though there are no supported hooks to make this easy
for you.

DG I haven't looked to hard -- it doesn't seem to be in the Editor
DG prefs -- but the lack of concept of end-of-message is enough to
DG consider using an alternative editor.

No. There's nowhere that you can specify using an alternative editor.

DG (See previous post Re: Message Editor.) Or better, is there a way
DG to tell TB! where the end-of-message is?

In what context? In the context of clear-signing messages?

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Re: newsreader

2002-06-20 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Jonathan,

Wednesday, June 19, 2002, 9:07:37 PM, you wrote:

JA Almost the same as Agent (the paid version), with the added bonus
JA of supporting multiple servers ;)

Yes the lack of multiple news servers is an issue which will be fixed
in version 2 according to Forte.  I only connect to 2 news servers, so
I just run multiple instances.  This is NOT a real problem.

I a relative new user of Agent.  I will say I can cover lots of
material with the download of headers, then download messages I want
to read.  From my use I would say it has lots of features which can be
customized.

When I decided to move on from VA which is an email client,
newsreader,  Compuserve Forum OLR, I decided to replace the
functionality with what I thought was the best in the market.  This is
how I ended up with Agent  TB!.  I thought I'd be able to grow with
them.  I'm sure others differ from this opinion, but everyone is
entitled to their own opinion.

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Re: SPAM filter with The Bat (Mailwasher program)

2002-06-20 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Daniel,

@21 June 2002, 02:11:23 +0200 (01:11 UK time) Daniel van Rooijen
[CopyCats] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 In closing: Whenever spamcop.bat is run, it leaves a DOS window on my
 screen that has to be closed manually. I just solved this minor
 annoyance by putting @echo off as the first line in the template for
 Spamcop.bat.

Another method is to look at the Properties of the remaining
(finished) DOS window and check Close window when finished (is that
what it's called?). It will remember that setting for next time.

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Re: 1.60 broke????

2002-06-20 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi rpmathews,
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:56:50 -0600, you wrote:

Just loaded 1.60 and found a bug, everytime I attempt to type in
 the To: field The entire program shuts down!!! I have been able to
 repeat this also...Any Ideas...

http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg40261.html

Try that :)

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OT Seeking someone from Poland

2002-06-20 Thread Dean

Hello,

  Please excuse this OT, but as this is a multi-national list and I'm
  trying to help someone.

  I am looking for anyone familiar with the health care system in Krakow,
  Poland. **Please contact me offline as this is OT**. This is not spam
  whatever, I work in the health care field and am just trying to
  understand a culture and system that is unfamiliar to me.

  Appreciate any response, and again excuse the OT topic, This is a
  difficult situation for some people I am helping from that area.

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Re: Why won`t the Bat get rid of old mail

2002-06-20 Thread Tony A.T. Mendina


Friends,

I've noticed something similar, at least in the past few versions of
The Bat (I'm on 1.60q now). The on exit settings seem to be ignored
for folders in trees which aren't expanded...but if I expand the
folder tree before I exit the program, the folders are purged.

How odd...

Tony

Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] said at 12:09 AM on 6/20/2002:

 Hello Marcus,

 Tuesday, June 18, 2002, 10:51:13 AM, you wrote:

 I have the mailing list folders set to not have more than 150 mails in
 them (Using the folders properties window). Befor this I tried the get
 it to delete mails after 10 days. neither of these settings seem to do
 anything.

MO Did you tic Remove old messages and Compress the folder in the On
MO exit-section just below the settings you refer to?

 I ticked those off, and messages are still remaining in the folder.



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Re: Questions

2002-06-20 Thread Thomas F

Hello Allie,

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:36:04 -0500 GMT (21/06/02, 07:36 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM It's kind of cumbersome to be deleting the ini file all the time so
ACM you could use GPG Shell where you can easily clear the password cache.
ACM However, you'd have to sign with GPG Shell.

Maybe he could also start TB with a batch file that firstly starts TB,
and after completed execution deletes the files. This file, the
passowrd is at least deleted each time TB is closed.

DG 2) Is it possible to use an external editor?

ACM I guess it is, though there are no supported hooks to make this easy
ACM for you.

Currently, the only way to use an external editor would be to compose
the mail using it, and then cp'ing the result into TB's editor.

DG I haven't looked to hard -- it doesn't seem to be in the Editor
DG prefs -- but the lack of concept of end-of-message is enough to
DG consider using an alternative editor.

ACM No. There's nowhere that you can specify using an alternative editor.

This is confirmed by the developers to be a feature of veetwo (a.k.a.
the-version-that-should-not-be-named).

DG (See previous post Re: Message Editor.) Or better, is there a way
DG to tell TB! where the end-of-message is?

ACM In what context? In the context of clear-signing messages?

I believe he means in the context of hitting PgDown. However, by
hitting PgDown, he keeps actively pushing the end-of-message mark
further down, rather than passively detecting it.

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Re: The bat 1.60q suggestion

2002-06-20 Thread Tony A.T. Mendina


Yes, I do this now with some of my accounts--I even use redirect
instead of move, though I can't remember where I read that
suggestion...

Tony

Jan Rifkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said at 9:39 AM on 6/15/2002:
   I believe you can do that now. Just filter all incoming
   mail from all your accounts to the one folder of your
   choice.


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