Re[3]: How to clear history lists in Address and Subject fields?

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Carren,

ACM Go to the menu item Options/Preferences, then go to the 'system'
ACM tab and disable the 'autocomplete' option there.

 That will also turn off autocomplete for the address field too though.
 It would be nice to be able to disable one without the other. I would
 prefer to keep autocomplete ON for addresses, but OFF for subject.
 Personally, I see no point whatsoever in having autocompleted address
 fields. How often do you write emails with exactly the same subject
 line? JMHO!

You are not the only one who wants that and it has been suggested
(many times) before. I don't know if we will ever see it though.

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Re: TB Rebooted My Computer

2002-10-02 Thread Chris Montgomery

Howdy Lars,

Wednesday, October 2, 2002, 1:39:16 AM, Lars Geiger wrote:

LG I don't really think that TB was responsible for that reboot. From my
LG own experience I can tell that about the only thing which can bring an
LG NT-based system down like that are bad drivers. Any normal application
LG just doesn't have the rights to mess with memory areas other than its
LG own. If something goes wrong, Windows (at least anything based on NT)
LG can simply kill that application, free its memory and continue as if
LG nothing happened. (That's the simple version of a more complex system of
LG protected memory areas and the whole system of how an OS manages
LG applications and memory access.)

You could be right, but I'm still a bit suspicious. My system suddenly
rebooted itself twice before, a couple of weeks ago. Both times I was
working in TB, although I can't remember what I was doing at the time.
It's possible, I guess, that some other program I was using before TB
might have corrupted something in memory and the right keystrokes or
mouse click in TB caused something to go kaput. Anyway, it's weird and
just thought to mention it.

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Re[2]: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Marck,

MAU Like you, I don't understand why they are not moved. That is
MAU what I find odd. A bug perhaps? A _useful_ bug?

 No, an intended feature. It has always been so and designed to be
 so, that when the source and destination folders of a filter are the
 same then a message is not moved.

But why the same filter behaves differently if I do a Re-Filter
Messages than if I execute it with with a shortcut?

In my specific case, my incoming Ignore filter (almost the same that
your Watch one) is set for Inbox-Inbox. It works normally for
incoming messages and it is my Tbudl filter the one that moves
messages to  TBUDL folder. Now, if I Re-Filter my TBUDL folder the
messages that match the Ignore rules *are* moved to Inbox. However, if
I execute my Ignore filter with the keyboard shortcut on one or more
messages in TBUDL folder, the messages *are not* moved to Inbox.

Are you saying this is WAD?

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Re: TB Rebooted My Computer

2002-10-02 Thread Nick Gordon

Hi Batpersons,

On or about, Wednesday, October 2, 2002, 1:56:39 AM, we have reason to believe that 
Chris Montgomery wrote:

CM I just typed a short message to my father and attached two Excel (.xls)
CM files to it. When I clicked on the Send the letter icon, my computer
CM rebooted. After it restarted, I sent a test message to myself with the
CM two attached files and then successfully sent the message with files to
CM my father.

CM Anyone else seen behavior like that? It was weird, like pressing the
CM reset button on the front of my computer.


I've seen something like it, but not with TB. It was a while ago, and
IIRC it was some kind of dial-up problem. Is it possible that the
problem arises when TB connects (however you do that in your case) to
the network to send the message. That might indicate a problem in the
network/modem/usb/serial drivers.

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Re[3]: How to clear history lists in Address and Subject fields?

2002-10-02 Thread Carren Stuart

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CS Personally, I see no point whatsoever in having autocompleted
CS address fields. How often do you write emails with exactly the
CS same subject line? JMHO!

Sorry! Major typo here  should read autocompleted SUBJECT
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Re: Memory lapse .... moving filters

2002-10-02 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Carren,

@2-Oct-2002, 14:27 +1200 (03:27 UK time) Carren Stuart [CS] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

CS Sorry ... I know this has been covered before but I can't
CS remember the answer!

I don't remember one exactly like this.

CS I have moved a set of folders from one account to another. I
CS thought the filters corresponding to that set of folders would
CS automatically move to the new account with all filters altered
CS accordingly, but they don't seem to have done that.

Filters only change automatically when folders are moved *within*
an account, not to a completely different account.

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Re: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Miguel,

@2-Oct-2002, 09:10 +0200 (08:10 UK time) Miguel A. Urech [MAU] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

MAU ... if I Re-Filter my TBUDL folder the messages that match the
MAU Ignore rules *are* moved to Inbox. However, if I execute my
MAU Ignore filter with the keyboard shortcut on one or more
MAU messages in TBUDL folder, the messages *are not* moved to
MAU Inbox.

MAU Are you saying this is WAD?

No. I think that there are anomalies in the re-filter logic. I too
have often cursed the dumping of vast swathes of messages to the
inbox during a re-filter.

I try to avoid a re-filter unless absolutely necessary. If I'm
trying to make a specific filter do a specific job, I rend to add it
as a temporary filter at the top of the list before re-filtering.

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Re: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Thomas F.

Hello Miguel,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:10:32 +0200 GMT (02/10/02, 14:10 +0700 GMT),
Miguel A. Urech wrote:

MAU Now, if I Re-Filter my TBUDL folder the messages that match the
MAU Ignore rules *are* moved to Inbox. However, if I execute my
MAU Ignore filter with the keyboard shortcut on one or more messages
MAU in TBUDL folder, the messages *are not* moved to Inbox.

MAU Are you saying this is WAD?

I don't know what is WAD, but I'd say it is inconsistent at least.

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Re: Memory lapse .... moving filters

2002-10-02 Thread Thomas F.

Hello Marck,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:19:00 +0100 GMT (02/10/02, 17:19 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

CS I have moved a set of folders from one account to another. I
CS thought the filters corresponding to that set of folders would
CS automatically move to the new account with all filters altered
CS accordingly, but they don't seem to have done that.

MDP Filters only change automatically when folders are moved *within*
MDP an account, not to a completely different account.

Wait a minute, I think I got this wrong the first time. So Carren is
moving (dragging) the folders within TB into another account.

The filters are being updated automatically over here. You know how
often I switch accounts for this list for example, and I always just
drag the TBUDL folder to the new account. I unsub from the old account
after the messages arrive via the new account, so I have them twice in
the same TBUDL folder for a while - and I did not change anything in
the TBUDL filter of the old account and the messages matching the old
account's TBUDL filter are sorted into the TBUDL which is now located
in the new account.

So, the filters are indeed updated even if you move the folders across
accounts.

Why it doesn't work on Carren's machine (nor yours?), I don't know.

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Re: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread James Senick

Hello Marck,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, at 02:15:28 [GMT +0100] (which was 9:15:28
PM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

JS IOW, if you leave it alone, TB never moves the message at all.
JS But if you actively configure it to move the message to the
JS inbox, then it actually does?

 Manually invoked filters that check against rules will move a
 message from a folder to the Inbox. So that's one circumstance under
 which a No move filter does move. So, yes, exceptions can be
 induced.

Actually, I meant _manually re-configured_ but I think you may
have answered the question anyway.  More importantly though,
I've found that this oddity / feature is kind of a bonus when
considering my original intent which was basically to be made
more aware of threads I'm interested in.  I have a safe copy
with the same formatting intended sent to the proper folder and
a hey look at me copy in the Inbox.  Clutter?  Not at all
since I now know I can delete the ones in the Inbox at will and
refer to the entire thread in the proper folder when necessary.
 Granted, I could set a highlight, flag, and copy filter instead
to achieve the same.  But it's a nice little discovery just the
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Re: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Allie C Martin

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MAU In my specific case, my incoming Ignore filter (almost the same
MAU that your Watch one) is set for Inbox-Inbox. It works normally
MAU for incoming messages and it is my Tbudl filter the one that
MAU moves messages to TBUDL folder. Now, if I Re-Filter my TBUDL
MAU folder the messages that match the Ignore rules *are* moved to
MAU Inbox. However, if I execute my Ignore filter with the keyboard
MAU shortcut on one or more messages in TBUDL folder, the messages
MAU *are not* moved to Inbox.

This is possible if you don't have the option 'check the selected
message against this rule' enabled for the hotkey. If you have the
option enabled then the message is checked for a string match and
moved to the destination folder. With the option disabled the first
two pages of filter setup is basically ignored so no string matching
is carried out, nor is the message moved. Only the filter actions
are carried out.

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Re: Problem Synching with Palm

2002-10-02 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Sudip,

My MUA believes 'The_Bat!' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, October 2, 2002 at 12:04:44 AM.

SP How's the AB conduit project coming on?

Kind of stalled at the moment, real life issues got in the way...
However, I think most of the foundation work is done!

SP Any plans on adding mail functionality to the conduit?

No, at this point it is just AB.  Mostly because the native MAPI mail
sync seems to work. g

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Re: TB Rebooted My Computer

2002-10-02 Thread Allie C Martin

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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Chris Montgomery [CM] wrote:'

CM You could be right, but I'm still a bit suspicious. My system
CM suddenly rebooted itself twice before, a couple of weeks ago.
CM Both times I was working in TB, although I can't remember what I
CM was doing at the time.

I concur with Lars that this isn't a TB! problem and that it's a
faulty driver. NT/2k/XP will not be brought down TB! malfunctions.
If TB! crashes, it will crash all alone.

My XP system here was miserable when I just got it. It would blue
screen *regularly*. It was distressing. It would do so, usually
while browsing the internet. However, the bluescreen writings did
mention a display driver dll. It turns out that I needed to update
my motherboard BIOS and display drivers to fix the problem. Since
fixing it ... not a single blue screen.

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Re: How to clear history lists in Address and Subject fields?

2002-10-02 Thread Allie C Martin

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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Carren Stuart [CS] wrote:'

CS That will also turn off autocomplete for the address field too
CS though. It would be nice to be able to disable one without the
CS other. I would prefer to keep autocomplete ON for addresses,
CS but OFF for subject.

I agree that it would be nice to have one enabled but not the other,
though it really doesn't bother me either way.

CS Personally, I see no point whatsoever in having autocompleted
CS address fields.

Ok, your view taken. However, this may not be shared by others. I've
personally used the option. :)

CS How often do you write emails with exactly the same subject
CS line?

Rarely. It's also not often that I'm typing a subject and the
auto-complete kicks in. On the odd occasion it does, I just continue
type my subject and if a auto-complete string is still there, I just
hit delete and move to the next field. Rather painless.

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Re[2]: Macro about address book: it works, but...

2002-10-02 Thread Andrea Sartorati

Dear friends,
I post my reply to Peter's answer... Do you have some good ideas?

Hi Peter,
tnaks a lot for your kindness in answering me.

PM If it works as a quick template, you can use it as such by typing
PM  %QINCLUDE=QT's handle

I tried, but it doesn't work. It's very strange... If I choose a contact
from address book and then use the quick template the macro changes the
LAST NAME, FIRST NAME in FIRST NAME (as I want), but If I use it as
account's new message template it does nothing.

Any idea?

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Re[2]: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Thomas,

 I don't know what is WAD,

Working As Designed :-)

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kludges header

2002-10-02 Thread Joost de Kraker

Hi

I need to add a X-message-flag: to the
header of my messages. Anyone any
experience with add stuff to the header?

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Re[2]: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Allie,

 With the option disabled the first two pages of filter setup is
 basically ignored so no string matching is carried out, nor is the
 message moved. Only the filter actions are carried out.

Oh darn! That's dangerous then!

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Re[2]: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Marck,

MAU Are you saying this is WAD?

 No. I think that there are anomalies in the re-filter logic. I too
 have often cursed the dumping of vast swathes of messages to the
 inbox during a re-filter.

It's no big problem anyway. If messages are moved to Inbox when doing
a re-filter, all it takes to get them back to the proper folder is a
re-filter of the Inbox itself.

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Re[2]: How to clear history lists in Address and Subject fields?

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Allie,

CS Personally, I see no point whatsoever in having autocompleted
CS address fields.

 Ok, your view taken. However, this may not be shared by others. I've
 personally used the option. :)

I'd bet that very few times, like me. I could certainly live without
Subject auto-complete. Address auto-complete is heavily used though.

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Re: kludges header

2002-10-02 Thread Sudip Pokhrel

Hi Joost,

On Wednesday, October 02, 2002 15:10 your local time, (Wednesday,
18:55 my local time), you [JDK] wrote:

JdK I need to add a X-message-flag: to the header of my messages.
JdK Anyone any experience with add stuff to the header?

Not experienced or aware of underlying issues, but you should be able
to add/remove/modify headers using X-ray (www.xrayapp.com)

I guess the other way would be to export a message, edit the headers
with a text editor and import it back in.

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Re: Macro about address book: it works, but...

2002-10-02 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Andrea,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:10:28 +0200GMT (2-10-02, 14:10 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

PM If it works as a quick template, you can use it as such by typing
PM  %QINCLUDE=QT's handle
AS I tried, but it doesn't work. It's very strange...

You mentioned that it works for address book templates. Create a new
address book group, define group templates for it with Marck's macro
in it.
Now add all entries in your AB to that group. Should work, works here.
Still beats me why the macro doesn't work in account and folder
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Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread David Tod Sigafoos

Is there any way to share filters between accounts?

There are several filters which I want in all accounts but do I really
have to create these in each account?

Where are the filters saved?  what 'dos' file



  

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Re: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello David,

 Is there any way to share filters between accounts?

No.

 There are several filters which I want in all accounts but do I really
 have to create these in each account?

No, create them in one. Then copy (Ctrl+C) the filter, open the
Sorting Office for the other account(s) and paste (Ctrl+V) it. You may
have to adjust the Source and Destination folder names if they are
not exactly the same.

Not a perfect solution but certainly much better than having to
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Re[2]: Memory lapse .... moving filters

2002-10-02 Thread Carren Stuart

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On Wednesday, 2 October 2002 at 10:42 p.m. Thomas wrote: 


TF Wait a minute, I think I got this wrong the first time. So Carren
TF is moving (dragging) the folders within TB into another account.


Yes, that is what I am doing!


TF The filters are being updated automatically over here. You know
TF how often I switch accounts for this list for example, and I
TF always just drag the TBUDL folder to the new account. I unsub from
TF the old account after the messages arrive via the new account, so
TF I have them twice in the same TBUDL folder for a while - and I did
TF not change anything in the TBUDL filter of the old account and the
TF messages matching the old account's TBUDL filter are sorted into
TF the TBUDL which is now located in the new account.
TF So, the filters are indeed updated even if you move the folders
TF across accounts.

TF Why it doesn't work on Carren's machine (nor yours?), I don't know.

Here's what happened. When I moved the folders to another (but not a
NEW account) and then checked the original filters for the account
they had come from, the filters *had* altered BUT not entirely
correctly. In the destination folder entry, TB! had automatically
redirected the mail to the new account Inbox BUT that filter was
only ever going to work for any stray changing of account mail (the
few messages that would arrive to the old address before the
unsubscription was activated), because the source folder remained as
inbox for that account.

That filter was *not* duplicated/recreated or whatever in the new
account, so therefore any messages coming to the new address would not
have been filtered. I had to set my filters up again manually for the
new account. So, from what I can see, all TB! does in that situation
is make an adjustment to cover any interim mail still arriving in the
old account. It does not do *anything* within the new account.

At least thats how it worked for me! :-)

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Re: Memory lapse .... moving filters

2002-10-02 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, October 02, 2002, Carren Stuart wrote...

 Here's what happened. When I moved the folders to another (but not a
 NEW account) and then checked the original filters for the account
 they had come from, the filters *had* altered BUT not entirely
 correctly. In the destination folder entry, TB! had automatically
 redirected the mail to the new account Inbox BUT that filter was
 only ever going to work for any stray changing of account mail (the
 few messages that would arrive to the old address before the
 unsubscription was activated), because the source folder remained as
 inbox for that account.

So the source folder was staying the same and the destination was
altering?  This is what is supposed to happen, TB doesn't really know
that you aren't just moving folders about.  If you want to move the
filters too, go into the filter dialog, select the one you want to
copy over, and press CTRL C... then go into the other account's filter
dialog, and press CTRL V.  Now you have the same filter in both
accounts.  Is that the effect you're trying to achieve?

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Re: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Allie C Martin

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Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'

 With the option disabled the first two pages of filter setup is
 basically ignored so no string matching is carried out, nor is
 the message moved. Only the filter actions are carried out.

MAU Oh darn! That's dangerous then!

Well, no. Not if you understand how it works and then let it do what
you need.

Take for instance, the filters that I recently created to make
editing a received message easy, even though you're exporting the
message and then re-importing it.

The first of the two filters needs to work on *any* message you wish
it to. You therefore don't require a string match. You also don't
wish the message to be moved to another folder, so you don't need
the move to folder functionality. You can therefore disable the
hotkey option to check the message against the filter rule.

In contrast to this, I have a filter here that will generate a
report that is sent to SpamCop. I also wish the message to be moved
to my spam folder, if it's not already there. In this case, I wish
the message to be moved when I run the filter using the hotkey. I
therefore enabled the option to check the message against the filter
rule.

I am therefore happy that the option exists since you can use it to
prevent or promote movement of messages upon filtering as you need.

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Re: How to clear history lists in Address and Subject fields?

2002-10-02 Thread Allie C Martin

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MAU I'd bet that very few times, like me. I could certainly live
MAU without Subject auto-complete. Address auto-complete is heavily
MAU used though.

The point I'm making is that I could live without it as well but I
can also live with it since it's not difficult to do so. Others may
wish to use it. The ideal thing would be to make it optional, but
getting around it is, IMO so trivial, that I'd more go for directing
the developers attention to other more important things.

All my opinion of course. Don't get too annoyed either, since my
opinion counts as much as yours does with the developers. :))

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Re[2]: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread David Tod Sigafoos

Hello Miguel,

Thanks for the reply on copying filters ..

Do you know where the Filters are stored?



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Re: Memory lapse .... moving filters

2002-10-02 Thread Thomas F.

Hello Carren,

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:57:43 +1200 GMT (03/10/02, 01:57 +0700 GMT),
Carren Stuart wrote:

CS That filter was *not* duplicated/recreated or whatever in the new
CS account, so therefore any messages coming to the new address would
CS not have been filtered. I had to set my filters up again manually
CS for the new account.

That is correct. Jonathan already explained how to copy the filter to
the new account.

CS So, from what I can see, all TB! does in that situation is make an
CS adjustment to cover any interim mail still arriving in the old
CS account. It does not do *anything* within the new account.

Correct again. ;-)

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Re: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread Thomas F.

Hello David,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:58:32 -0700 GMT (03/10/02, 02:58 +0700 GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS Do you know where the Filters are stored?

In the files account.srx in your mail directories.

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'Known' Filter and adding address book

2002-10-02 Thread Doug Weller

I can't see how to add an address book to this. Nothing in the help file, couldn't 
find anything in the archives useful.
I'm on version 1.61 at the moment, haven't used any betas for a while.

Thanks.

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Re:'Known' Filter and adding address book

2002-10-02 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Doug.

At 4:32 PM on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 you
[DW] wrote the following about ''Known'
Filter and adding address book':

DW I can't see how to add an address book to this. Nothing in the
DW help file, couldn't find anything in the archives useful.
DW I'm on version 1.61 at the moment, haven't used any betas for a
DW while.

  How about opening the Address Book.
  Click on File
  Click on New Address Book

  Does that help?

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Re[2]: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread David Tod Sigafoos

Hello Thomas,

DTS Do you know where the Filters are stored?

TF In the files account.srx in your mail directories.

Thanks .. I had though I looked there sigh

Guess i will have to write an app to maintain these a little easier


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Re: 'Known' Filter and adding address book

2002-10-02 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Doug,

On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:32:18 +0100GMT (2-10-02, 22:32 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

DW I can't see how to add an address book to this.

You can't add address books to the known filter. It only uses the
default AB.
I can remember discussions on this list why somebody might want to
use multiple AB's. But most (if not all) advantages could be reached
by using multiple groups in an AB.
So why not place all of your contacts into one AB?


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Cannot *send* - error msg: Could not store the message

2002-10-02 Thread Alan Parker

TBUDL,

  I  have  several accounts set up in the BAT. This morning everything
  was  working fine on all accounts. They all are using my single SMTP
  server  through  my ISP. Each account pulls mail from different POP3
  accounts.

  Currently,  all  other accounts are sending and receiving mail fine,
  but  one  account  cannot  send.  I get the error message Could not
  store the message on a pop-up alert.

  I  have  searched  through  the  help  manuals and attempted to find
  something  on  the BAT site. I have renamed my MESSAGES.TBI files in
  each  folder  to OLD_MESSAGES.TBI with the BAT down. When I bring it
  back up, a new file is created, but the problem persists.

  I  have  validated  that all parameters in the properties window are
  the  same as the other eleven accounts in the BAT. Any help would be
  appreciated *tremendously*!
  
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Re: 'Known' Filter and adding address book

2002-10-02 Thread Doug Weller

Hi Roelof,

Wednesday, October 2, 2002, 9:58:29 PM, you wrote:

 Hallo Doug,

 On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:32:18 +0100GMT (2-10-02, 22:32 +0200GMT, where
 I live), you wrote:

DW I can't see how to add an address book to this.

 You can't add address books to the known filter. It only uses the
 default AB.
 I can remember discussions on this list why somebody might want to
 use multiple AB's. But most (if not all) advantages could be reached
 by using multiple groups in an AB.
 So why not place all of your contacts into one AB?

They are all in one address book. The known filter has a big blank
window with the heading 'Address books to check against.' I assume
since there is nothing there, that explains why it doesn't seem to be
checking anything.

I've tried creating a new address book Jan, that makes no difference.

Thanks anyway!.

Doug

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Zoot

2002-10-02 Thread Doug Weller

Hi

I'm looking at Zoot and Mailbag Assistant as ways of archiving my
email from past clients and TheBat.  I can get MA to work, but not
Zoot. But Zoot will work with my news clients, so I think I'd prefer
it.

Jan (and anyone else) -- how do you get Zoot to work with TheBat!?
And how do you keep it up to date?

Thanks.

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Re[2]: How to clear history lists in Address and Subject fields?

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Allie,

 The ideal thing would be to make it optional

Of course. That's the way to satisfy a wider range of users.

 All my opinion of course. Don't get too annoyed either, since my
 opinion counts as much as yours does with the developers. :))

I doubt that my opinion counts at all, I never write to developers or
submit anything through the BugTrack thingy. So, unless they take a
peek on this list...

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Re[2]: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Allie,

MAU Oh darn! That's dangerous then!

 Well, no. Not if you understand how it works and then let it do what
 you need.

Well, yes. Precisely because I now understand how it works is why I
think it's dangerous :)

snipped a bit
 I am therefore happy that the option exists since you can use it to
 prevent or promote movement of messages upon filtering as you need.

But that is where I see the danger, if I want to prevent the movement
I take the risk of applying the actions to messages that don't match
the rules.

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Re: How to clear history lists in Address and Subject fields?

2002-10-02 Thread Allie C Martin

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MAU I doubt that my opinion counts at all, I never write to
MAU developers or submit anything through the BugTrack thingy. So,
MAU unless they take a peek on this list...

I think I've written to them once but otherwise I've only written to
the list. I've not submitted a bug report since the start of
bugtraq. Some else always mentions and reports them. :)

Most of the listening by the developers is done on the beta list.
This is where they get comments on bugs, new functionality and the
usual, I see that you've fixed or included this feature. How about
blah, blah If you wish for your voice to be heard and don't
mind trying the betas then I encourage you to subscribe to the beta
list TBBETA. TBUDL tends to have a lot of general support threads
etc. so the developers, AFAIK, don't read it as much, if at all.

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Re[3]: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread Britt Malka

Dear David,


Wednesday, October 2, 2002 at 9:58:32 PM you wrote:


DTS Do you know where the Filters are stored?

My way to find out in which files something is stored, is to make a
change, and then use Explorer or My Computer to see which file is the
newest.



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Re: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Allie C Martin

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MAU But that is where I see the danger, if I want to prevent the
MAU movement I take the risk of applying the actions to messages
MAU that don't match the rules.

You select the messages to apply the action to and then hit the
hotkey. The filter actions are applied to selected messages as the
reply, delete or any other command. I don't see the risk or danger
involved unless you really aren't sure of what the filter is setup
to do. If I'm missing something, would you explain further.

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Re: Zoot

2002-10-02 Thread Joseph N.

   On Wednesday, October 02, 2002, Doug Weller wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

DW I'm looking at Zoot and Mailbag Assistant as ways of archiving my
DW email from past clients and TheBat. 

Doug,

Maybe someone's found a way around this, but, if you send or receive
attachments, then Zoot may not work well for you.  I was unable to
find a way to manage attachments.  In addition, although the developer
of the program spent substantial time trying to help out us TB! users,
the delimiters still do not work well; at least I haven't had much
luck with them.

Zoot is a great program, and I use it for information processing and
storage in some cases.  But I've found Mailbag Assistant to be an
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Re[2]: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Allie,

 You select the messages to apply the action to and then hit the
 hotkey. The filter actions are applied to selected messages as the
 reply, delete or any other command. I don't see the risk or danger
 involved unless you really aren't sure of what the filter is setup
 to do. If I'm missing something, would you explain further.

OK, let's take my Ignore filter. I have a number of subjects and/or
MIDs in the Alternatives. If I make a mistake when selecting messages
they will be Ignored even if they don't match any of the subjects or
MIDs.

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Re[2]: How to clear history lists in Address and Subject fields?

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Allie,

 Most of the listening by the developers is done on the beta list.
 This is where they get comments on bugs, new functionality and the
 usual, I see that you've fixed or included this feature. How about
 blah, blah If you wish for your voice to be heard and don't
 mind trying the betas then I encourage you to subscribe to the beta
 list TBBETA. TBUDL tends to have a lot of general support threads
 etc. so the developers, AFAIK, don't read it as much, if at all.

I'm subscribed to TBBETA and TBTech, aside of TBUDL. But I can't do
any beta testing although I would like to. Don't have much time and
my e-mail client is a very important tool for my work. That's also why
I am still on v1.60c, the most stable version before they started to
release a new one every 30 minutes or so ;-)

Developers should certainly listen to beta testers for bug
corrections, but they should listen to normal users for features
enhancements. In Spain we say: There is no worse deaf than that who
doesn't want to listen.

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Re: Zoot

2002-10-02 Thread Doug Weller

Hi,

Wednesday, October 2, 2002, 10:58:59 PM, JN wrote:


 Zoot is a great program, and I use it for information processing and
 storage in some cases.  But I've found Mailbag Assistant to be an
 outstanding way to archive and locate email.

 It looks pretty good, and I like NoteTab.  I haven't figured out how
 to update it yet, and although someone here once said it worked with
 Agent I can't figure out how (and I'm not sure if that was just
 Agent email or Agent news).  I think I shall go with it rather than
 Zoot unless someone can convince me differently.  At least I could
 get Mailbag up and running quickly.

 Thanks.

 Doug

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Re: 'Known' Filter and adding address book

2002-10-02 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Doug,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:25:07 +0100GMT (2-10-02, 23:25 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

DW I can't see how to add an address book to this.
 You can't add address books to the known filter. It only uses the
 default AB.

DW They are all in one address book. The known filter has a big blank
DW window with the heading 'Address books to check against.'

Then there's something gone awry in your setup. Over here it shows my
address book with all groups inside it.

Oops! Just found out it works like a breeze to add new address book to
the known filter. I was checking the known filter and I opened the
address book, I created a new address book with a new group in it and
went back to the sorting office and behold, the new book was
mentioned in the filter.
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Re: Cannot *send* - error msg: Could not store the message

2002-10-02 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Alan,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:58:21 -0500GMT (2-10-02, 22:58 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

AP Currently, all other accounts are sending and receiving mail fine,
AP but one account cannot send. I get the error message Could not
AP store the message on a pop-up alert.

If it's the storing problem that prevents that account from sending.
That might mean that the outbox for that account is corrupt. (How
often do compress your folders?)
Close TB and delete the messages.tbi and messages.tbb files in the
directory corresponding with your problem account.
Start TB again and try to send a message.


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Re: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Allie C Martin

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Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'

MAU OK, let's take my Ignore filter. I have a number of subjects
MAU and/or MIDs in the Alternatives. If I make a mistake when
MAU selecting messages they will be Ignored even if they don't
MAU match any of the subjects or MIDs.

Say you wish to delete some messages. What happens if you make a
mistake and select the wrong messages to delete? They will be
deleted. You'll have to restore them from the trash folder. In the
same way, if you've inadvertently marked messages as ignored, then
select those messages and then change back the colour group to what
it was before.

The string matching can be done if you are:

a) filtering incoming messages. In this instance the hotkey options
are ignored and the string match is carried out.

b) reapplying the filter using the re-apply filters option. String
matching is done.

It's only when you use the hotkey that a string match isn't carried
out with the option, 'check selected messages against this rule',
enabled.

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Re[2]: Cannot *send* - error msg: Could not store the message

2002-10-02 Thread Alan Parker

Roelof,

   Bingo!  I had deleted the messages.tbi, but not the .tbb.  As it
   turns out, it was the SENT folder that was the problem.

   To your reference to How often do compress your folders?, I have
   it set to empty trash and compress on exit each time... maybe three
   or four times each day.  I maintain the size and number of entries
   in all those folders to a minimum, keeping a rolling seven days in
   each account.  Older messages are archived and stored to another
   backup/archive server.

   Thanks for the quick response and a great product for over three
   years.  First problem I've had with any version.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2002, 5:54:36 PM, you wrote:

RO Hallo Alan,

RO On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:58:21 -0500GMT (2-10-02, 22:58 +0200GMT, where I
RO live), you wrote:

AP Currently, all other accounts are sending and receiving mail fine,
AP but one account cannot send. I get the error message Could not
AP store the message on a pop-up alert.

RO If it's the storing problem that prevents that account from sending.
RO That might mean that the outbox for that account is corrupt. (How
RO often do compress your folders?)
RO Close TB and delete the messages.tbi and messages.tbb files in the
RO directory corresponding with your problem account.
RO Start TB again and try to send a message.



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Re: How to clear history lists in Address and Subject fields?

2002-10-02 Thread Allie C Martin

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MAU Developers should certainly listen to beta testers for bug
MAU corrections, but they should listen to normal users for
MAU features enhancements.

And this they do through bugtraq which has an area for suggestion
submissions. They also do this through TBBETA.

MAU In Spain we say: There is no worse deaf than that who doesn't
MAU want to listen.

They do listen but they can't listen everywhere since they need time
to develop. If they're listening somewhere, the signal to noise
ratio has to be very good. Of course, noise is in the ears of the
beholder and what he/she is listening for. :))

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Re:Zoot

2002-10-02 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Doug.

At 5:28 PM on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 you
[DW] wrote the following about 'Zoot':

DW Jan (and anyone else) -- how do you get
DW Zoot to work with TheBat!? And how do you
DW keep it up to date?

  I have yet to get TB! to work as it should
  with Zoot. Several people have figured out
  workarounds which I think are posted on the
  Zoot site. Take a look in the files
  sections. I have an old memory but I think
  they are there. If not I'll look in my own
  notes. I've talked Tom Davis about this a
  couple of times w/o much luck so far but MA
  is magic IMO.

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Re: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Thomas F.

Hello Allie,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:42:10 -0500 GMT (03/10/02, 04:42 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM You select the messages to apply the action to and then hit the
ACM hotkey. The filter actions are applied to selected messages as the
ACM reply, delete or any other command. I don't see the risk or danger
ACM involved unless you really aren't sure of what the filter is setup
ACM to do. If I'm missing something, would you explain further.

I think the point Miguel is trying to make here is that filters behave
differently depending on how they are triggered. That is inconsistent
to the degree of being dangerous. I see absolutely no sense in it, and
I would think that the word bug is not completely unrelated.

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Re: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread Thomas F.

Hello David,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:41:45 -0700 GMT (03/10/02, 03:41 +0700 GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS Do you know where the Filters are stored?

TF In the files account.srx in your mail directories.

DTS Thanks .. I had though I looked there sigh

DTS Guess i will have to write an app to maintain these a little easier

I would be insterested in knowing what you intend to do. If you think
the filtering system is not very easy, it is a good time forofficial
suggestion, because the developers are completely revamping the
filtering system for v2. There are no news about what will be changed
though, but I hope a few of my suggestions will find their way into
it. ;-)

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Re[2]: Macro about address book: it works, but...

2002-10-02 Thread Andrea Sartorati

RO Hallo Andrea,

Hi Roelof,
thanks a lot for your kindness.

RO You mentioned that it works for address book templates. Create a new
RO address book group, define group templates for it with Marck's macro
RO in it.
RO Now add all entries in your AB to that group. Should work, works here.
RO Still beats me why the macro doesn't work in account and folder
RO templates.

I already thought to do so.

But I manage several accounts with the Bat and, if I do as you say,
how can I keep different signatures for each account?

Do you have understood why the macro doesn't work as a general
account's template?

Cheers,
Andrea


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Re: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Allie C Martin

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TF I think the point Miguel is trying to make here is that filters
TF behave differently depending on how they are triggered. That is
TF inconsistent to the degree of being dangerous. I see absolutely
TF no sense in it, and I would think that the word bug is not
TF completely unrelated.

I see no bugginess here and see perfect sense is what is being
achieved through the various options.


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Re[2]: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Thomas,

 ...because the developers are completely revamping the
 filtering system for v2. There are no news about what will be changed
 though, ...

Let's pray! ;-)

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Re[2]: Watch Threads

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Allie,

 Say you wish to delete some messages. What happens if you make a
 mistake and select the wrong messages to delete? They will be
 deleted.

OK, let's put it this way then. I select N messages, but I don't want
to Ignore the N messages, just those that match the filter rule(s).

 The string matching can be done if you are:
 
 a) filtering incoming messages. In this instance the hotkey options
 are ignored and the string match is carried out.

That works fine.

 b) reapplying the filter using the re-apply filters option. String
 matching is done.

That works fine, but messages are moved to Inbox.

 It's only when you use the hotkey that a string match isn't carried
 out with the option, 'check selected messages against this rule',
 enabled.

If the option *is* checked, the string match is carried out and the messages
matching the rule(s) are Ignored (in my case) and moved to Inbox.

If the option *is not* checked, string match *is not* done, *all*
selected messages are Ignored and *none* is moved to Inbox.

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