damaged file

2002-10-04 Thread aber

Hi all,

  I can't see my mails in inbox folder and file MESSAGES.TBB is 1GB
  big. I think it's damaged.
  Is there any way to fix it or recover mails from it?

 
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Re: damaged file

2002-10-04 Thread Eddie Castelli

Dear aber,

 --- aber / Freitag, 04.10.2002, 12:34:56
damaged file


 I can't see my mails in inbox folder and file MESSAGES.TBB is 1GB
 big. I think it's damaged.

 Is there any way to fix it or recover mails from it?

Try to 'compress' first this folder and see what happen. You find the
command in the Main-Menu under Folder|Compress.


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Re: Mass delete HTML attachments?

2002-10-04 Thread Adam Bradley

Thursday, October 3, 2002, 9:53:48 PM, you wrote:
 I have no use for the HTML portion of the message and would like to automate
 their deletion.  Is there any way to do this for my 2000+ old messages?

I'm not sure if this would work, but it's what occurs to me.
If you have told TB to store attachments in a separate directory, then
I think all the HTML files would be in there. Deleting them would be
very easy if you want to get rid of all of them. For just the ebay
ones you could search for all files containing a certain text string
and delelte all of those.
If you want to automate deletion of the html files as they come in,
you could create a filter for your ebay emails and tell the filter to
execute a batch file each time. It would be simple to have a 'delete
all html files' batch command, I'm not sure about deleting all recent
ones but maybe it could be done with a clever command line utility.
Given Thomas' response, maybe I've missed something and this won't
work. Unfortunately I've got my attachments stored in message bodies
so can't really try it out. Good luck :)

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Storing attachments

2002-10-04 Thread Doug Weller

Seeing the discussion about deleting HTML attachments, what are the pros and cons of 
keeping attachments in a separate directory?

Since I want to use Mailbag, I presume I should keep them separate.  But even after 
checking the appopriate radio box, presumably the attachments on stored email will 
stay within the messages?

Thanks.

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Re: Mass delete HTML attachments?

2002-10-04 Thread Thomas F.

Hello Adam,

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:21:00 +0100 GMT (04/10/02, 18:21 +0700 GMT),
Adam Bradley wrote:

 I have no use for the HTML portion of the message and would like to automate
 their deletion.  Is there any way to do this for my 2000+ old messages?

AB I'm not sure if this would work, but it's what occurs to me.
AB If you have told TB to store attachments in a separate directory, then
AB I think all the HTML files would be in there. Deleting them would be
AB very easy if you want to get rid of all of them.

Yes, but you can do that only on the account level. In my main account
I receive regular HTML mails from AOL'ers (otherwise friends of mine).
But I also receive other attachments, which I definitely want to keep
in the message body.

There is a filter with which I can extract the attachments from the
habitual HTML-senders to a seperate directory, but the attachments
will only be copied to that destination. If the attachments would be
actually extracted, that would be the solution.

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Re: Storing attachments

2002-10-04 Thread Joseph N.

   On Friday, October 04, 2002, Doug Weller wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Since I want to use Mailbag, I presume I should keep them separate.
 But even after checking the appopriate radio box, presumably the
 attachments on stored email will stay within the messages?

Doug,

I use MBA and always keep my attachments stored within the message.

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Re: Storing attachments

2002-10-04 Thread Doug Weller

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:06:29 -0500
 Joseph N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday, October 04, 2002, Doug Weller wrote in
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Since I want to use Mailbag, I presume I should keep them separate.
  But even after checking the appopriate radio box, presumably the
  attachments on stored email will stay within the messages?
 
 Doug,
 
 I use MBA and always keep my attachments stored within the message.
 

And presumably you can still view them. Thanks.

So what happens I wonder if I don't store them within the message and use MBA?

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Re: Features galore

2002-10-04 Thread Gerard


ON Thursday, October 3, 2002, 11:58:05 PM, you wrote:
JBG 1.  Indexed  searching.  All folders should be indexed. Headers, body,
JBG the works. At least a possibility to do so. A setting somewhere. Makes
JBG searching  200Mb  worth  of  text mails (without attachments) somewhat
JBG faster :)


Hi Jakob,

   I think you mean something else but you do know you can right-click
   on the top of de email subject window and add  remove columns. You
   can then sort ascending and descending on each column.

   An other option is to filter on emails addresses or subject by
   clicking on a mail with the Alt button pressed.

   I am quite impressed all these possibilities.

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Re[2]: Features galore -

2002-10-04 Thread alists

Hello Joseph,

Thursday, October 3, 2002, 6:52:38 PM, you wrote:

JNOn Thursday, October 03, 2002, Jakob Breivik Grimstveit wrote in
JN [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

JN JBG Two things I would love to see in The Bat!:
JN JBG 1.  Indexed  searching.
JN JBG 2.  When  indexing  is  in place it shouldn't be too hard to include a
JN JBG virtual  folder  option.

JN Jakob,

JN Perhaps the issue is really whether TB! should embrace a
JN development priority that the program should function as a
JN good archive database. I'm not convinced yet that it should,
JN but I'd like to hear what others think.

if the architecture for the user interface was database driven
then the user could choose whichever view of the data they want
via filtering and/or selecting sorting. (As I am not
technical as to TB!'s back end, perhaps a Database is used, if I
am wrong in my assumption, please advise!)

it seems like mail applications could significantly benefit from
creative use of the front end and provide the best of both
worlds. In addition, indexed searching would be a logical
extension of that.

having yet another application to manage archived email is NOT
what i'm looking for. All the Purists that think this is for
mail and nothing else seem to have a narrow view of the
utilization of email in the corporate world and the requirement
to keep track of minutia in all the Hundreds of emails received by
employees daily. Regardless of what some people think, email is a
logical part of a PIM. I see that this program will evolve that
way anyhow.

just my .02

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Messages not opening

2002-10-04 Thread Susan Willig

Hello, everyone...

I'm new to The Bat and am doing my best to decipher all the information in
the messages posted to the list. Slowly I was beginning to get up to speed
at least on the basics.. that is, until a problem arose.

When I try to open an individual message from the Inbox, instead of the
message opening, the entire folder opens a second time... regardless of
which folder I open. A second Inbox opens and it says View Folder Inbox
across the top. The only way to read a message is via the small preview pane
at the bottom. This seems to happen regardless of whether I double-click on
a line (message) in the Inbox or whether I right-click on one and select
open. Same thing happens.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks.

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Re: Messages not opening

2002-10-04 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Friday, October 04, 2002, Susan Willig wrote...

 Hello, everyone...

 I'm new to The Bat and am doing my best to decipher all the
 information in the messages posted to the list. Slowly I was
 beginning to get up to speed at least on the basics.. that is, until
 a problem arose.

 When I try to open an individual message from the Inbox, instead of
 the message opening, the entire folder opens a second time...

Try opening that same message again, and going to View - Message List
(make sure the tick goes away). This should display only the message
you want.

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Print selection.

2002-10-04 Thread Chris Weaven

Hi all,

Is it me, or is it not possible to Print 'selection' within TB!

Thanks,

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Re: Messages not opening

2002-10-04 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Susan,

4-Oct-2002, 11:53 -0400 (16:53 UK time) Susan Willig said:

 When I try to open an individual message from the Inbox, instead
 of the message opening, the entire folder opens a second time...

There is no message viewer as such. There is only the folder view.
The thing to do is to size the message list (using the horizontal
pane divider) to the point where the size of the preview pane is
optimal. Either that or use the View | Message list menu option to
turn off the message list in that folder view.

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Re: Print selection.

2002-10-04 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Chris,

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:56:33 -0700GMT (4-10-02, 17:56 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

CW Is it me, or is it not possible to Print 'selection' within
CW TB!

AFAIK It's not possible.


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Re: Messages not opening + viewing headers

2002-10-04 Thread Susan Willig

Hi, Jonathan

 Try opening that same message again, and going to View - Message List
(make sure the tick goes away). This should display only the message you
want.
--
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That did the trick! Now the messages are opening individually again... THANK
YOU!

While I'm posting anyway, is there a way to have TB show the headers when
the message opens? I found the option to click on Special and then View
Source separately, but can I configure it to show headers automatically?

Thanks again, Jonathan. Thanks to you, too, Marck.

Best wishes,

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Re: Print selection.

2002-10-04 Thread Chris Weaven

Hi Roelof,

On Friday, October 4, 2002 18:14 your local time, which was 09:14 my
local time, Roelof Otten [RO] wrote;

CW Is it me, or is it not possible to Print 'selection' within TB!

RO AFAIK It's not possible.

I assume this has already been requested in V2?

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Re: Messages not opening + viewing headers

2002-10-04 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Friday, October 04, 2002, Susan Willig wrote...

 While I'm posting anyway, is there a way to have TB show the headers
 when the message opens? I found the option to click on Special and
 then View Source separately, but can I configure it to show
 headers automatically?

Depends which headers you really want to see. If it is only during the
viewing of the message, you can go to (in the main TheBat window) View
- - RFC822 headers, this will give the full headers of the emails. If
there is only a certain header you want, like the mailer, (in the main
TheBat window again) View - Message Header and tick the ones you want
to show.

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Re: Messages not opening + viewing headers

2002-10-04 Thread Susan Willig

 Depends which headers you really want to see. If it is only during the
viewing of the message, you can go to (in the main TheBat window) View - -
RFC822 headers, this will give the full headers of the emails. If there is
only a certain header you want, like the mailer, (in the main TheBat window
again) View - Message Header and tick the ones you want to show.

That did it!!! Thank you so much, Jonathan!

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Re: Features galore

2002-10-04 Thread Thomas F.

Hello Gerard,

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:10:14 +0200 GMT (04/10/02, 21:10 +0700 GMT),
Gerard wrote:

G I think you mean something else but you do know you can right-click
G on the top of de email subject window and add  remove columns. You
G can then sort ascending and descending on each column.

This is a very powerful feature, albeit it works only within a folder.

G An other option is to filter on emails addresses or subject by
G clicking on a mail with the Alt button pressed.

You can also run a search across folders and even accounts. What would
be useful is a way to save the result.

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Re: Features galore -

2002-10-04 Thread Thomas F.

Hello Laura,

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:30:55 -0700 GMT (04/10/02, 21:30 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

JN Perhaps the issue is really whether TB! should embrace a
JN development priority that the program should function as a
JN good archive database. I'm not convinced yet that it should,
JN but I'd like to hear what others think.

awc if the architecture for the user interface was database driven
awc then the user could choose whichever view of the data they want
awc via filtering and/or selecting sorting. (As I am not
awc technical as to TB!'s back end, perhaps a Database is used, if I
awc am wrong in my assumption, please advise!)

The *.tbb files are databases, which are indexed. The corresponding
index files are the *.tbi files.

I for one don't see a problem in an email program also being able to
take care of mail archives. I think this would be an enhancement.
However, I don't know whether TB's databases can handle several
indices.

awc it seems like mail applications could significantly benefit from
awc creative use of the front end and provide the best of both
awc worlds. In addition, indexed searching would be a logical
awc extension of that.

I agree. I hear the IMAP people and other parties yell that there are
more important things. Well OK. I don't use IMAP, and so everybody has
his own priorities. ;-)

awc having yet another application to manage archived email is NOT
awc what i'm looking for. All the Purists that think this is for
awc mail and nothing else

You could counter than an email archive is for email. What do we do
with email after we receive it? 1: read it. 2: (maybe) reply to it. 3:
keep it. Most of the life time of an email is in number 3, unless
deleted, in which case the question of archive handling is irrelevant.

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Re: Print selection.

2002-10-04 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Chris,

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:11:39 -0700GMT (4-10-02, 18:11 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

CW Is it me, or is it not possible to Print 'selection' within TB!
RO AFAIK It's not possible.
CW I assume this has already been requested in V2?

I don't know. I've never felt the need to print a selection.

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Re: Print selection.

2002-10-04 Thread Thomas F.

Hello Chris,

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:11:39 -0700 GMT (04/10/02, 23:11 +0700 GMT),
Chris Weaven wrote:

CW Is it me, or is it not possible to Print 'selection' within TB!

RO AFAIK It's not possible.

CW I assume this has already been requested in V2?

Without having looked in the BatBoard, I don't remember this has been
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Re: Print selection.

2002-10-04 Thread jwayne

CW Is it me, or is it not possible to Print 'selection' within TB!

RO AFAIK It's not possible.

CW I assume this has already been requested in V2?

I requested this almost two years ago as I find it incredibly annoying to have
to print a selection by first pasting that selection from TB into my editor!

Got a response from the developers that it's not possible, but did not get any
indication that they even cared to fix it (and I'll be presumptuous to suggest
that it's probably a trivial modification.) In the meantime we've gotten new
features of dubious value - like the MenuNavigator - but no fix for a number of
problems like this one. Hmmm, beginning to sound a bit like Microsoft!

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Re: Features galore

2002-10-04 Thread Gerard


ON Friday, October 4, 2002, 6:46:06 PM, you wrote:

TF Hello Gerard,

TF On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:10:14 +0200 GMT (04/10/02, 21:10 +0700 GMT),
TF Gerard wrote:

G I think you mean something else but you do know you can right-click
G on the top of de email subject window and add  remove columns. You
G can then sort ascending and descending on each column.

TF This is a very powerful feature, albeit it works only within a folder.

True, but my folder represent a useful subset of my mail. I do not give
all my contacts there own folder as some do :(

G An other option is to filter on emails addresses or subject by
G clicking on a mail with the Alt button pressed.

TF You can also run a search across folders and even accounts. What would
TF be useful is a way to save the result.

Yes that would be useful just as search within the results, which would
be possible if you could save the results I guess.

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How do I filter for this?

2002-10-04 Thread Doug Weller

I want to set up a filter to trap anything with [] anywhere in the
subject line, either on its own or preceded or followed by any
characters. I have looked, obviously not hard enough, and not found
out how to do this.  I'm trying to build a spam filter and this looks
like an essential ingredient.

Thanks.

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History Lists

2002-10-04 Thread Michael Thompson

Hello Ladies and Gents,

  Does any one know if it is possible to remove items in the TO: List
  drop down list?

  I have multiple items in there that are duplicated. How can I remove
  them??
  

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Re: History Lists

2002-10-04 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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@4-Oct-2002, 19:36 Michael Thompson [M] in
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M   Does any one know if it is possible to remove items in the TO:
M   List drop down list?

Yes. Start a new message then pull down the history list with the
drop-down control at the RHS of the TO: line. Now use the cursor
keys to move down through the list. When you reach an entry you want
to delete, press Del.

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Why Bat! is a better Email Client Than Outlook

2002-10-04 Thread Anthony Xin Chen


Hi All,

While doing my research, I stumbled on the following survey on email
user behavior. A interesting read, and make me realize why Bat! is
better and Outlook sucks.

http://research.microsoft.com/research/coet/Email/TRs/01-88.pdf


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Re: How do I filter for this?

2002-10-04 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Doug,

@4-Oct-2002, 19:30 Doug Weller [DW] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DW I want to set up a filter to trap anything with [] anywhere in
DW the subject line,

Then use a filter entry of

String: '[]', Location: Subject, Presence: Yes.

TB's filter mechanism already searches for the occurrence within the
specified field. The single quotes are essential since [ and ] are
special characters in filter signal strings.

If you wanted to pick up [abcd] with the filter, then you'd have to
use a regular expression, which is slightly more complicated. Off
the top of my head, the match string looks something like:

\[.*\]

with regular expressions enabled. Again, the within the field
logic works in your favour here.

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Re[2]: History Lists

2002-10-04 Thread Michael Thompson

Hello Ladies and Gents,

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, at 19:56:57 [GMT +0100] (which was 19:56 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:




MDP Yes. Start a new message then pull down the history list with the
MDP drop-down control at the RHS of the TO: line. Now use the cursor
MDP keys to move down through the list. When you reach an entry you want
MDP to delete, press Del.

Simple as that eh? Thanks Marck



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Re: How do I filter for this?

2002-10-04 Thread Doug Weller

Hi,

Friday, October 4, 2002, 8:00:57 PM, Marck wrote:


 Then use a filter entry of

 String: '[]', Location: Subject, Presence: Yes.

 TB's filter mechanism already searches for the occurrence within the
 specified field. The single quotes are essential since [ and ] are
 special characters in filter signal strings.

 If you wanted to pick up [abcd] with the filter, then you'd have to
 use a regular expression, which is slightly more complicated. Off
 the top of my head, the match string looks something like:

 \[.*\]

 with regular expressions enabled. Again, the within the field
 logic works in your favour here.

Thanks, but I seem to be doing something very wrong. I'm using a
filter I found in the archives, with some changes. This time it moved
almost everything from my inbox to my spam folder!

BeginFilter
Name: SpamKiller
Active: 1
Source: \\dweller\Inbox
Target: \\dweller\Inbox\Spam
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 40Urgent
AltSet:1: 30Hi! How are you?
AltSet:1: 30See you later. Thanks
AltSet:2: 3030 days
AltSet:2: 30investment
AltSet:2: 00click
AltSet:3: 20sales
AltSet:3: 30visitors
AltSet:3: 30site
AltSet:4: 00xydomzale.si
AltSet:5: 30This message is not a SPAM
AltSet:6: 00NotSpam
AltSet:7: 20'[]'
AltSet:8: 30$$$
AltSet:9: 00sxyfun.net
AltSet:10: 20
AltSet:11: 30MILLIONARE
AltSet:12: 30URGENT
AltSet:12: 30CONFIDENTIAL
AltSet:13: 30young
AltSet:13: 30girls
AltSet:13: 30fucking
AltSet:14: 50Penis
AltSet:15: 10FinestClients
Actions: faoRegExp
AddGroups: 
DelGroups: 
ForwardTemplate: 
ConfirmTemplate: 
ReplyTemplate: 
FwdAddr: 
RedirectAddr: 
NewAddr: 
NewTemplate: 
ExtCmd: 
ExtFile: 
ExtractDir: 
ColourGroup: default
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: default
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter




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Re: How do I filter for this?

2002-10-04 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Doug,

@4-Oct-2002, 20:45 Doug Weller [DW] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

either:

 String: '[]', Location: Subject, Presence: Yes.

.. or

 \[.*\]

 with regular expressions enabled.

But not this !!! :--

 String: '[]', Location: Subject, Presence: Yes.
 with regular expressions enabled.

 ... snip

 MainSet: 40Urgent
 AltSet:1: 30Hi! How are you?
 ... snip
 AltSet:13: 30girls
 ... snip ... that you really should have done before posting
   because of list rules banning profanity although I
   accept that in this instance it was an oversight
 AltSet:15: 10FinestClients
 Actions: faoRegExp

There it is. You see, with Regular Expressions enabled, [] has a
different meaning - a null character set, which might mean a match
on everything.

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Re: How do I filter for this?

2002-10-04 Thread Doug Weller

Hi,

Friday, October 4, 2002, 9:21:18 PM, you wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Hi Doug,

 @4-Oct-2002, 20:45 Doug Weller [DW] in
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 either:

 String: '[]', Location: Subject, Presence: Yes.

 .. or

 \[.*\]

 with regular expressions enabled.

 But not this !!! :--

 String: '[]', Location: Subject, Presence: Yes.
 with regular expressions enabled.

  ... snip

 MainSet: 40Urgent
 AltSet:1: 30Hi! How are you?
  ... snip
 AltSet:13: 30girls
  ... snip ... that you really should have done before posting
because of list rules banning profanity although I
accept that in this instance it was an oversight

Ouch, sorry. Although I did copy it with all that from a post in the
archives!

 AltSet:15: 10FinestClients
 Actions: faoRegExp

 There it is. You see, with Regular Expressions enabled, [] has a
 different meaning - a null character set, which might mean a match
 on everything.

Thanks.

 Ah, I see now.  I've disabled Regular Expressions. The new, much
 shorter version is below. It is still picking up posts which don't
 seem to me to match any of the below and moving them:

BeginFilter
Name: SpamKiller
Active: 1
Source: \\dweller\Inbox
Target: \\dweller\Inbox\Spam
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 40Urgent
AltSet:1: 30This message is not a SPAM
AltSet:2: 00NotSpam
AltSet:3: 20'[]'
AltSet:4: 20$$$
AltSet:5: 20
AltSet:6: 30MILLIONARE
AltSet:7: 50Penis
Actions: 
AddGroups: 
DelGroups: 
ForwardTemplate: 
ConfirmTemplate: 
ReplyTemplate: 
FwdAddr: 
RedirectAddr: 
NewAddr: 
NewTemplate: 
ExtCmd: 
ExtFile: 
ExtractDir: 
ColourGroup: default
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: default
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter



 
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glyphs

2002-10-04 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Bat Folk.

  Where does TB! store its glyph.bmp? Or is
  it not called that?

  I'm trying to find it because I'd like to
  try a replacement.

  Thank you.

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Re:How do I filter for this?

2002-10-04 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Doug,

At 2:30 PM on Friday, October 04, 2002 you
[DW] wrote the following about 'How do I
filter for this?':

DW I want to set up a filter to trap
DW anything with [] anywhere in the subject
DW line, either on its own or preceded or
DW followed by any characters. I have
DW looked, obviously not hard enough, and
DW not found out how to do this. I'm trying
DW to build a spam filter and this looks
DW like an essential ingredient.

  I don't think so. Every group  Yahoo!
  groups, for example, has the list name
  contained by [].

  Using the filter you propose, they would
  all be considered spam.

  There are lots of other simple ways to
  filter for spam. For example, any email
  *not* addressed to you could easily be
  filtered out as spam.

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problem with repeated copies of parked messages

2002-10-04 Thread alists

Hello Buds!

I've been going through my email and see a problem i'm not sure
what is causing it.. those that are parked have sometimes 50, 60,
100 copies of the same parked message in the folder!!

any idea what causes this? I use parks a lot because i'm a quick
deleter!! :)

I'm wondering if there is a bug with this.. it's not one
message... it's dozens of different messages that are repeated.

Thanks for your assistance..


  

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Re[3]: Features galore -

2002-10-04 Thread Joseph N.

   On Friday, October 04, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

awc Regardless of what some people think, email is a logical part of
awc a PIM

Laura,

I couldn't agree more!  Unfortunately, that also ups the ante,
because:

  1. Contacts and schedules need to be linked, arguably email also,
  and

  2. The user that needs those functions linked probably also needs
  some assurance that the program will be around for awhile and will
  work well with other programs.

There are only a handful of programs that provide high level PIM
functionality, tie in email, and have a likelihood of longevity.  It's
quite a commitment, and I'm not sure that TB! could pull it off.

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Re: How do I filter for this?

2002-10-04 Thread Doug Weller

Hi,

Friday, October 4, 2002, 10:18:44 PM, you wrote:

 Doug,

 At 2:30 PM on Friday, October 04, 2002 you
 [DW] wrote the following about 'How do I
 filter for this?':

DW I want to set up a filter to trap
DW anything with [] anywhere in the subject
DW line, either on its own or preceded or
DW followed by any characters. I have
DW looked, obviously not hard enough, and
DW not found out how to do this. I'm trying
DW to build a spam filter and this looks
DW like an essential ingredient.

   I don't think so. Every group @ Yahoo!
   groups, for example, has the list name
   contained by [].

   Using the filter you propose, they would
   all be considered spam.

Thanks, but I mean [] with nothing between the [ and the ].

   There are lots of other simple ways to
   filter for spam. For example, any email
   *not* addressed to you could easily be
   filtered out as spam.

 Do you mean with my name not in the To: field?

 Doug


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Re: problem with repeated copies of parked messages

2002-10-04 Thread Doug Weller

Hi Laura,

Friday, October 4, 2002, 10:21:41 PM, you wrote:


 I've been going through my email and see a problem i'm not sure
 what is causing it.. those that are parked have sometimes 50, 60,
 100 copies of the same parked message in the folder!!

I've found this, I'm assuming it's a bug in one of my filters.

Doug


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Sent messages not saved

2002-10-04 Thread Terry Frazier

,

I've been using TheBat! for years, and rarely have any problem.
But I just got a new (used) laptop and I installed 1.60q (which
I used since its release on the old laptop.)

For some reason my sent messages aren't being saved to the Sent
Mail folder. This laptop is an identical model to my old one,
running the same OS -- W2KSP3.

Any ideas?


Cordially,
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Re: glyphs

2002-10-04 Thread Marek Mikus

Hello all,
Friday, October 4, 2002, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

   Where does TB! store its glyph.bmp? Or is
   it not called that?

   I'm trying to find it because I'd like to
   try a replacement.

You can download it from this location (26kB):
ftp://ftp.gin.cz/pub/mswindows/the_bat/glyphs/tbglyphs_ritlabs_160.zip

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Re: Sent messages not saved

2002-10-04 Thread Britt Malka

Dear Terry,


Friday, October 4, 2002 at 12:20:02 AM you wrote:


TF But I just got a new (used) laptop and I installed 1.60q (which
TF I used since its release on the old laptop.)

TF Any ideas?

Yes, try first to update to version 1.61. There has been a lot of bugs
in version 1.60.

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Re: Sent messages not saved

2002-10-04 Thread ETM

Hello Britt

On Friday, October 4, 2002, you wrote

 Yes, try first to update to version 1.61. There has been a lot of bugs
 in version 1.60.

I'm using 1.60c and have been very happy with it.  Are there bugs
in 1.61 that might unnerve the average home (nonbusiness) user?
It is performing admirably and I would be very upset if an
upgrade brought me unwelcome negative surprises.

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Re[2]: Sent messages not saved

2002-10-04 Thread Britt Malka

Dear ETM,


Saturday, October 5, 2002 at 12:54:48 AM you wrote:


E I'm using 1.60c and have been very happy with it.

If you are happy, don't change :-)

E Are there bugs in 1.61 that might unnerve the average home
E (nonbusiness) user?

I haven't really observed any bugs, and I use The Bat! a lot - the
whole day and half the night - as I am a business user and self
employed.

But programs can react differently from computer to computer and from
operating system to operating system.


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Re:glyphs

2002-10-04 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Marek.

At 6:33 PM on Friday, October 04, 2002 you
[MM] wrote the following about 'glyphs':


   Where does TB! store its glyph.bmp? Or is
   it not called that?

   I'm trying to find it because I'd like to
   try a replacement.

MM You can download it from this location (26kB):
MM ftp://ftp.gin.cz/pub/mswindows/the_bat/glyphs/tbglyphs_ritlabs_160.zip

  Thanks for the link. I guess I wasn't
  clear. I can't figure out how to replace
  the default TB! icon bmp with a new one. I
  don't know where TB! files its normal
  icons  whether I can just substitute one
  for the other. TIA

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Re: Sent messages not saved

2002-10-04 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Terry,
On Friday, October 4, 2002 at 18:20:02 [GMT -0400], you wrote:

TF For some reason my sent messages aren't being saved to the Sent Mail
TF folder. This laptop is an identical model to my old one, running the
TF same OS -- W2KSP3.

TF Any ideas?

Are any of your mailbox files write protected? This often occurs when
transferring them with a CDR or over a network connection.

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Re:How do I filter for this?

2002-10-04 Thread Jan Rifkinson

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 at 23:16 GMT +0100 (6:16
PM, 10/4/2002 where I live), Doug Weller
[DW] wrote to Jan Rifkinson [jr] @
[EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to How do
I filter for this?:

   There are lots of other simple ways to
   filter for spam. For example, any email
   *not* addressed to you could easily be
   filtered out as spam.

DW Do you mean with my name not in the To:
DW field?

  Yes and/or your email address as an
  alternate.

  As an aside, I don't recall seeing too many
  spam msgs with '[]] with nothing in them --
  for whatever that's worth to you.

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Re: How do I filter for this?

2002-10-04 Thread Scott McNay


Hi Doug!

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
on Friday, October 4, 2002, 3:59:38 PM, you wrote:

DW AltSet:7: 50Pen...

Another reason to edit, which is just as important, is that many spam
filters check for such words (sound familiar?) and filter out such
messages. Thus, a number of the members of this list almost certainly
never got the two or so messages which contained that list of words,
because their ISPs (or in some cases their governments) protected them
from those messages.

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Re: Sent messages not saved

2002-10-04 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Terry,

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:20:02 -0400GMT (4-10-02, 0:20 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

TF For some reason my sent messages aren't being saved to the Sent
TF Mail folder.

Do you get an error message when TB fails to safe a sent message or
does it operate like nothing's amiss.
When you're not getting an error message it could be a filter that you
installed by accident that deletes sent messages or saves them to
another folder. Check in your sorting office whether you've got an
'Outgoing mail' filter running that's triggered by all outgoing messages
in stead of the selection you've intended.
Whether you're getting an error message or not, it could be a corrupt
messages.tbi file in the directory corresponding with 'Sent Mail',
close TB (as in shut it down completely), delete the messages.tbi in
'Sent Messages' and start TB. If this was the problem, the messages
were saved after all and you'll see them now.
The second option that could occur whether you're getting an error
message or not, it could be a corrupt messages.tbb file in the
directory corresponding with 'Sent Mail', create a new folder, move
all messages from 'Sent Mail' to that new foldrer, close TB (as in
shut it down completely), move the messages.tbb from 'Sent Messages'
to another place for later inspection and start TB. Now the problem
should be solved the next time you send a message. You could move your
old 'Sent Mail' messages back to 'Sent Mail'.
The last possibility I can think of without apart from any bugs in TB
is that you made the messages.tbi or the messages.tbb read-only, since
you're running Win2000 it's even possible that you're logged on as a
user without file-writing rights in that directory. However I'd
suspect that you'd get an error message in this case. The way to solve
this is to restore writing rights for TB on either the files or the
directory.

In case you've solved the problem by deleting the messages.tbi or
messages.tbb files, it would be wise to run scandisk on your drive.

How often do you compress your messagebase? Do you ever defrag the
drive where TB stores it's messages?

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Re: How do I filter for this?

2002-10-04 Thread Scott McNay


Hi Jan!

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
on Friday, October 4, 2002, 4:18:44 PM, you wrote:

DW I want to set up a filter to trap
DW anything with [] anywhere in the subject
DW line, either on its own or preceded or
DW followed by any characters. I have
DW looked, obviously not hard enough, and
DW not found out how to do this. I'm trying
DW to build a spam filter and this looks
DW like an essential ingredient.

JR   I don't think so. Every group @ Yahoo!
JR   groups, for example, has the list name
JR   contained by [].

JR   Using the filter you propose, they would
JR   all be considered spam.

Putting  list  names  in brackets is standard for the benefit of users
who  don't  have  a competent email program like The Bat! (most people
using  web  mail,  for example). It doesn't seem to be even a proposed
RFC, although the IETF recommends using it for their own lists.

I  don't think I've seen ANY spam that DOES have /[.*/] in the subject
line.

Hmm,  after  searching the 773 spams that I've collected since setting
up The Bat! less than a month ago, I found exactly two spams that have
that, and both are The Bat!-style Re: counters. (Re:[1]).

If you're using it to filter NON-spam, that should do reasonably well.


JR   There are lots of other simple ways to
JR   filter for spam. For example, any email
JR   *not* addressed to you could easily be
JR   filtered out as spam.

Not  addressed  to  you  AND  not whitelisted.  If I send a message to
several people who don't know each other, I use BCC for both, so their
name  wouldn't  show  up,  and their systems will likely filter it, if
they have filters and don't have me whitelisted.

There  are  a  number  of  anti-spam lists where you can get some good
ideas on things to check for.  Most such lists are geared more towards
anti-spam programmers and anti-spam sysadmins, though.

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Re: glyphs

2002-10-04 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Jan,

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 19:05:07 -0400GMT (5-10-02, 1:05 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

JR Thanks for the link. I guess I wasn't clear. I can't figure out
JR how to replace the default TB! icon bmp with a new one.

Just place it in the TB-directory, TB will use it in stead of the ones
that are hardcoded in the executable. I believe they're loaded at
start-up, so you need to close and restart TB. (IIRC)

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Re:glyphs

2002-10-04 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Roelof.

At 7:27 PM on Friday, October 04, 2002 you
[RO] wrote the following about 'glyphs':

RO Just place it in the TB-directory, TB
RO will use it in stead of the ones that are
RO hardcoded in the executable. I believe
RO they're loaded at start-up, so you need
RO to close and restart TB.

  OK, well I learned two things:

  1. the icons are hard coded 
  2. moving glyphs.bmp into The Bat! folder,
  shutting down  starting up again didn't
  change a thing.

  I'm sure that's because I'm doing something
  wrong but I don't know what that something
  is. Any further help would be appreciated.

  TIA

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Message import error message

2002-10-04 Thread Graham Connolly

Hi,

I'm using TB 1.61.

When I attempt to import my Outlook 2000 address book I get the error
message Not enough storage is available to complete this operation. I have
tried the import using two different drives, each with over 3GB of
space, and I still get the message. When I shut the message window
down, TB has imported about 800 messages until the error came up.

Any help most appreciated.

Cheers

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Re: glyphs

2002-10-04 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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JR ... Any further help would be appreciated.

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/glyphs.html contains a complete
how to guide and has done for a couple of years.

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Re: Message import error message

2002-10-04 Thread alists

Hello Graham,

Friday, October 4, 2002, 5:05:43 PM, you wrote:

GC Hi,

GC I'm using TB 1.61.

GC When I attempt to import my Outlook 2000 address book I get the error
GC message Not enough storage is available to complete this operation. I have

How do you import Outlook Express address book or.. outlook 2k
for that matter? I thought you had to use a tool called DAWN?

thanks!

L



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Re:glyphs

2002-10-04 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Marck.

At 8:07 PM on Friday, October 04, 2002 you
[MDP] wrote the following about 'glyphs':

MDP http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/glyphs.html
MDP contains a complete how to guide and
MDP has done for a couple of years.

  Yes, thank you Marck. I read that article 
  looked thru the archives before I posted.

  The article you mention seems more focused
  on actually editing glyphs which I wasn't
  going to do but I read it anyway.

  And it was a bit skimpy on how to insert
  the file into TB! so I was trying to track
  that down.

  I've saved an altered TB! glyph file to The
  Bat! directory with the name glymph.bmp,
  closed down  re-started TB! w/o luck. So I
  must be missing something.

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Re: glyphs

2002-10-04 Thread Luc

 Good night Jan,
  
It was foretold that on 5-10-2002  21:29:54 GMT-0400 (which was
3:29:54 where I live) Jan Rifkinson spread these wise comments:
  
snipped a bit
JR I've  saved  an  altered TB! glyph file to The Bat! directory with
JR the  name  glymph.bmp, closed down  re-started TB! w/o luck. So I
JR must be missing something.

Try saving it as glyphs.bmp

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Re[2]: glyphs

2002-10-04 Thread Pete Milne



Replying to your message of Friday, October 4, 2002, 7:50:01 PM:

L Try saving it as glyphs.bmp

Mine is glyphs.bmp, so that should be correct.

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Re[2]: Message import error message

2002-10-04 Thread Graham Connolly

GC I'm using TB 1.61.

GC When I attempt to import my Outlook 2000 address book I get the error
GC message Not enough storage is available to complete this operation. I have

awc How do you import Outlook Express address book or.. outlook 2k
awc for that matter? I thought you had to use a tool called DAWN?

awc thanks!

awc L

I just went tools - import messages - mailbox import wizard... but I
get the above error message.

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Re: spamcop problems-more on SPAM/SPAMCOP

2002-10-04 Thread David Pascoe

Hi Thomas,

On Friday, 4 October 2002, at 13:23:54 [GMT +0700] you wrote:

TF On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:58:29 -0400 GMT (04/10/02, 02:58 +0700 GMT),
TF Paul Cartwright wrote:

PC well, I have noticed a LOT more Porn and SPAM in my yahoo account
PC lately, it does seem to have escalated since I joined spamcop, BUT it
PC could just be the fact that my Yahoo account is ancient and I use it on
PC the web for STUFF...

TF I do not confirm that the number of spam has increased since I report
TF to SpamCop. I cannot confirm either that is has decreased though...

You will not notice a reduction in SPAM if you only report it to spamcop.

If you use their fixed priced _filtered_email_ service then you will get a
90%+ reduction in spam. The reporting sends LARTs, and populates the
blocking list, but won't go anyway to reduce the amount of SPAM you get.

BTW SpamCop has made my email useable again, it is an excellent service.

cheers,
davidp.   
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