Re:replies and cutlines
G'day ken, On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, at 22:02:01 [GMT -0500] (13:02 here) you wrote: kg Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Usually a top post (what you are describing) does *not* use quote prefixing and instead quotes the entire original message below the signature in a format like this: kg Hmmm... I disagree slightly. I would say that people who use Outlook kg generally top post in the format you describe because that is the kg default behavior of Outlook. There is a little program that gets around the default top post behaviour of Outlook Express (not sure about outlook). I think it's called Outlook Express Quote Fix or something like that. tongue_in_cheek Now if we spread a virus that 'infects' all pc's running lookout! with quote fix we could get rid of these annoying irrational top posters. /tongue_in_cheek bg -- znark The Bat! 2.00.22 Windows XP - Service Pack 1, Build 2600 POPFile 0.19.1 PGP 6.5.8ckt - Build 08 Proxomitron 4.5 Kerio Personal Firewall 2.1.5 Hotmail Popper 2.0.3 I made it foolproof. They are making better fools! Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: replies and cutlines
12-Okt-2003 09:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kg Hmmm... I disagree slightly. I would say that people who use Outlook kg generally top post in the format you describe because that is the kg default behavior of Outlook. There is a little program that gets around the default top post behaviour of Outlook Express (not sure about outlook). I think it's called Outlook Express Quote Fix or something like that. Yes. But it sometimes doesn't help since Outlook is pre-configured to generate HTML/RTF mails. The quotefix will only work with plain text. Nevertheless, its a start. Here's the links, pass it on! ;-) For Outlook Express: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ For Outlook: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) It's a pity that taxpayers don't read science fiction. They might know about the age they're buying. -- Frederick Pohl Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: replies and cutlines
Vishal, [V] wrote: kg And I have TB Quick templates that can kg switch between top and bottom with a few keystrokes. V I'm interested in this..where could I find these templates? The key to such a template is the use of the %Clear macro which erases the original template output and replaces it with the new one. This is the one that I use for software or other support queries. I top post in these instances since most support departments ask for it in the interest of record keeping. This reproduces the Outlook style of top posting. 8=== %Clear%- %Qinclude=mydate %Cursor -- Regards, Allie Martin ---Original Message From : %FromName %FromAddr To : %ToName Subject: %OSUBJ Date : %ODate Time : %OTIME %TEXT ===8= -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
This blasted Swen Virus!!
Dear TB Users This blasted Swen virus is getting me down. Every day I am getting about 150 Swen emails, some with the attachment, some not. I guess these have been filtered by other systems. On my dial up connection this is a real pain when faced with a session download approaching 6Mb! For the moment I am doing it manually by dispatching the mail off the server but its a bit of a pain and I'd like to automate it. I have tried to make up a filter to delete them off the server before I download them. One side effect of this (apart from the fact that I haven't been able to get it to work yet!) is that I think I'm going to have to disable my Kerio spam killer as that downloads everything to check it out before passing it over to TB. As anyone else suffered from this inconvenience and, more importantly, devised a TB filter that works. I'm worried that a filter that deletes off the server is pretty final and whilst I'm experimenting I may be deleting stuff I actually want. :o) -- Best regards Barry Using TB version 1.62r Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: This blasted Swen Virus!!
Hi Barry, On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, at 12:00:01 [GMT +0100] (which was 13:00 where I live) you wrote: Barry Dear TB Users Barry This blasted Swen virus is getting me down. Barry Every day I am getting about 150 Swen emails, some with the Barry attachment, some not. I guess these have been filtered by other Barry systems. On my dial up connection this is a real pain when faced Barry with a session download approaching 6Mb! Barry For the moment I am doing it manually by dispatching the mail off Barry the server but its a bit of a pain and I'd like to automate it. Barry I have tried to make up a filter to delete them off the server Barry before I download them. One side effect of this (apart from the Barry fact that I haven't been able to get it to work yet!) is that I Barry think I'm going to have to disable my Kerio spam killer as that Barry downloads everything to check it out before passing it over to Barry TB. Barry As anyone else suffered from this inconvenience and, more Barry importantly, devised a TB filter that works. I'm worried that a Barry filter that deletes off the server is pretty final and whilst I'm Barry experimenting I may be deleting stuff I actually want. :o) Maybe you could handle email if it is bigger than 120Kb. See therefore Account-Properties-Mail management. In combination with dispatch mail you can transfer or delete the files. -- Best regards, Gerritmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ReWrap [Reply template] ?
* John Morse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How would I modify the regular expression so that it only removes blank lines from the message that I am quoting. --8---cut here---start-8--- %If:`%_rblFirstTime`==``:`%- %___%_rblFirstTime=No%- %___%_rblText=%Quotes%- `%- %SetPattRegExp=(?ism)\A(.*?)(\n{2,})(.*?)\z%- %RegExpBlindMatch(%_rblText)%- %If:%SubPatt(2):%- %___%_rblText='%SubPatt(1) %__%SubPatt(3)'%- %___%QInclude(quotes_minus_blank_lines):%- %___%_rblText%- --8---cut here---end---8--- This QT's name is »quotes_minus_blank_lines« so you have to replace %Quotes by %QInclude(quotes_minus_blank_lines). If you give it another name don't forget to adjust the %QInclude call in the QT. -- Carsten Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: This blasted Swen Virus!!)
Hi Gerrit, @12-Oct-2003, 13:30 +0200 (12:30 UK time) Gerrit Kruijer [GK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Barry: GK On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, at 12:00:01 [GMT +0100] (which was 13:00 GK where I live) you wrote: Barry Dear TB Users ... snip Barry deleting stuff I actually want. :o) GK Maybe you could handle email if it is bigger than 120Kb. See GK therefore Account-Properties-Mail management. In combination GK with dispatch mail you can transfer or delete the files. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Gerrit. Please trim replies to context. Just leave enough of the original message to give your reply a context rather than quoting the whole message for a short reply. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto Address New Messages
Hello Marck, Wednesday, October 8, 2003, 8:03:53 PM, you wrote: MDP If you really *must* (and you shouldn't unless there's absolutely no MDP alternative - and there usually *is* a perfectly good alternative) MDP use a folder template to set a to address, use this: MDP %IF:'%TOADDR'='':%TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED]' MDP This will only set the To address when there is no previous value. I tried this. But it still seems to add new addresses after previous addresses. I think perhaps one of the quotes is mixed up. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto Address New Messages
Hi Adam, @12-Oct-2003, 10:32 -0230 (14:02 UK time) Adam [A] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MDP %IF:'%TOADDR'='':%TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED]' MDP This will only set the To address when there is no previous MDP value. A I tried this. But it still seems to add new addresses after A previous addresses. I think perhaps one of the quotes is mixed A up. Yes, it is. %IF:'%TOADDR'='':'%TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED]' -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: replies and cutlines
Hi Allie Sunday, October 12, 2003, 3:54:27 AM, you wrote: AM The key to such a template is the use of the %Clear macro which erases the AM original template output and replaces it with the new one. Just the original template output and NOT anything else we have written in the mail text so far, right? I wouldn't want my whole email wiped out if I decide to change signatures at the end. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Deleting messages on server and logging
Hi all, I set up a filter to kill messages on the server that were tagged by Spam Assassin and scored at least a 20. Will there be any record of this in TB's log? Has anyone using Spam Assassin at the server level received a false positive that scored over 20? Thanks. -- Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Integrate Bat witha PIM?
V TB's address book IS my contact book. It stores V pretty much everything I'd want V about my contacts. And my PIM (WinPIM - awesome V piece of software) can talk to V TB if TB is the default email client. Whether TB V can talk to WinPIM - I don't V know. Unlikely, at least directly. You've confused me in above remark. You say that WinPIM can talk to TB if it's the default email client. Yet in the last remark you say whether it can talk to TB - you dont know. Did I misunderstand? Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: This blasted Swen Virus!!
Hello Barry, On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:00:01 +0100 GMT (12/10/2003, 18:00 +0700 GMT), Barry Higginbottom wrote: Every day I am getting about 150 Swen emails, some with the attachment, some not. I guess these have been filtered by other systems. On my dial up connection this is a real pain when faced with a session download approaching 6Mb! I get Swen mails only into the account that I am using on the usenet. I do not expect any files with attachments there, so I currently delete everything on the server that is bigger than 50KB. Account / Properties / Mail Management has an option for that. The mails cleaned by other servers still get through, but the big ones don't need to be downloaded any more, a big improvement. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Send-Reply: how to organize thread ?
Hi Alexander Thursday, October 9, 2003, 6:51:49 AM, you wrote: This doesn't work if you'd like the threading capability for every person you correspond with. Creating that many folders is out of the question for most people. AAG You are completely right! It's not possibly to create folder for each AAG unpredictable person. I hope you got my earlier offlist reply. Roelof actually pointed out that all folders can have threading, not just mailing list ones as his earlier mail implied. You could set the threading option for your inbox and it should help matters a lot, at least as far as threading goes. The replies in same box as sent messages isn't something I've thought about. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: replies and cutlines
Vishal, [V] wrote: V Just the original template output and NOT anything else we have V written in the mail text so far, right? I wouldn't want my whole V email wiped out if I decide to change signatures at the end. If you wish to toppost, then you need to change your template before editing since the %clear macro completely deletes all the text in the body text field of the editor. If you wish to be selective with signature and header information changes, then you can replace a signature by adding %issignature in your signature quick template, in addition to the header change macros like %From= and %Replyto= -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Send-Reply: how to organize thread ?
Hello Vishal, On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:22:00 -0400 GMT (12/10/2003, 22:22 +0700 GMT), Vishal wrote: AAG You are completely right! It's not possibly to create folder for each AAG unpredictable person. But you can create a folder for Others. Into this folder you can fitler both incoming messages and sent messages; this way you have the threads complete. You could set the threading option for your inbox and it should help matters a lot, at least as far as threading goes. The threads wouldn't be complete, as his replies are not in that folder. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Apple - Typically a device to seduce men, usually equipped with a display screen. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Integrate Bat witha PIM?
Hi John Sunday, October 12, 2003, 11:17:07 AM, you wrote: V TB's address book IS my contact book. It stores pretty much everything I'd V want about my contacts. And my PIM (WinPIM - awesome piece of software) can V talk to TB if TB is the default email client. Whether TB can talk to WinPIM V - I don't know. Unlikely, at least directly. J You've confused me in above remark. J You say that WinPIM can talk to TB if it's the default email client. Right. Just like when you click on any mailto link in a webpage, TB opens up with a new message, right? This is because TB is the registered mail handler. WinPIM works similar (as will most other PIMs). It stores email addresses in its contact book. (VERY powerful contact book by the way.)When you click on any of these addresses, TB opens up and sends a message to that contact. J Yet in the last remark you say whether it can talk to TB - you dont know. Did J I misunderstand? I'm afraid so. Sorry for making it confusing :) What I meant was that WinPIM can open up TB as I described above(so it can 'talk' to TB), but TB can't open up WinPIM because there is no 'registered PIM'. So I said it can't 'talk back'. Actually there might be a way to make TB open up your PIM using the scheduler. I haven't played much with the scheduler though so you'll have to experiment to see if this is true. TB can run programs at certain times using the scheduler, if I recall correctly. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: replies and cutlines
Hi Allie Sunday, October 12, 2003, 11:22:26 AM, you wrote: AM If you wish to toppost, then you need to change your template before AM editing since the %clear macro completely deletes all the text in the AM body text field of the editor. I see. AM If you wish to be selective with signature and header information AM changes, then you can replace a signature by adding %issignature in AM your signature quick template, in addition to the header change macros AM like %From= and %Replyto= What do you mean by be selective with signature and header information changes? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: replies and cutlines
Vishal, [V] wrote: AM If you wish to be selective with signature and header information AM changes, then you can replace a signature by adding %issignature in AM your signature quick template, in addition to the header change AM macros like %From= and %Replyto= V What do you mean by be selective with signature and header V information changes? I meant if you wish to change only your signature +/- your message header information without disturbing any of the message body which you've already edited, then you couldn't use the %Clear macro, but instead would have to use the %ISSIGNATURE macro. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: This blasted Swen Virus!!
* Barry Higginbottom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This blasted Swen virus is getting me down. Every day I am getting about 150 Swen emails, [...] There is a Windows port of »mailfilter«. Here is a part of its FAQ (there is a typical config file at the end of this mail): , | Mailfilter Frequently Asked Questions and Answers | | General Questions: | | * What is Mailfilter? | * Who needs Mailfilter? | * How does Mailfilter interact with my current e-mail environment? |[...] | | Installation: | | * What are the system's requirements to install and run Mailfilter? | * What should I know to make Mailfilter run on Windows 9x/2000/NT? |[...] | | General Questions: | | What is Mailfilter? | |Mailfilter is a flexible utility for UNIX (-like) operating systems to |get rid of unwanted spam mails, before having to go through the trouble |of downloading them into the local computer. It offers support for one |or many POP3 accounts and is especially useful for dialup connections |via modem, ISDN, etc. |Mailfilter connects to any POP3 mail box and compares part of its |content to a set of user defined filter rules. That way the spam gets |deleted directly on the mail server. |With Mailfilter you can define your own filters (rules) to determine |which e-mails should be delivered and which are considered waste. Rules |are Regular Expressions, so you can make use of familiar options from |other mail delivery programs such as e.g. procmail. |Mailfilter is released under the terms of the GNU General Public |License. For more information, see the README and COPYING documents |provided with the Mailfilter program. | | Who needs Mailfilter? | |If you do not pick up your e-mail from a POP3 server, then there is no |need to install Mailfilter. But if you do get your e-mail from one or |many POP3 accounts and if you are sick and tired of downloading |megabytes of worthless spam (usually those are anonymous advertisements, |chain mails, etc.), then you should give Mailfilter a try. |It will help save you band width and time by deleting spam directly on |your server, before you have to download and read those messages. By |defining your own personal filter rules, you can tell Mailfilter which |e-mails should be deleted. | | How does Mailfilter interact with my current e-mail environment? | |It doesn't matter which programs you use to fetch your mail with, |because Mailfilter is an independent application. It will not interfere |with your favourite e-mail client. You may just want to start Mailfilter |every time you are about to download new e-mail from a POP3 server, or |maybe just once a day. That's entirely up to you. |However, if you are using highly configurable mail programs such as |fetchmail, then there are some clever ways to get Mailfilter cooperate |with them directly. Section How do I fine tune other programs to work |with Mailfilter? describes this in more detail. | | Where do I find out more about Mailfilter? | |All relevant documentation for Mailfilter (including this FAQ) is |provided with the Mailfilter distribution. Online versions of some of |these documents are available on the official Mailfilter homepage: | |http://mailfilter.sourceforge.net/ | |On this homepage you may also find additional information on Regular |Expressions and related links to other programs that work well with |Mailfilter. If you have already installed the program, be sure to read |the man pages mailfilter(1), mailfilterrc(5) and mailfilterex(5). | | [...] | | Installation: | | What are the system's requirements to install and run Mailfilter? | |Here is an excerpt from the INSTALL file that is part of the source |archive of Mailfilter: | |To run Mailfilter it's best to have a UNIX (-like) operating system, |but it also compiles fine with Windows 9x/NT/2000 if additional |libraries and tools are installed (e.g. Cygwin or DJGPP). So far |Mailfilter has been successfully compiled and tested with | * Solaris 8 / SunOS 5.8 | * Irix 6.5 | * FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE | * Mac OS X | * NetBSD 1.5 | * Linux: Mandrake 7.0 - 8.1, Debian 2.1, RedHat 6.2 - 7.1, Slackware |3.9 (See doc/README.Slackware for further details), SuSE 6.2, |LinuxPPC | * Windows NT, 2000 (See doc/README.Windows for further details) | |but it may well work on other platforms, too. (Please report success if |you have managed to compile it on any other system - thanks.) | |To compile/install Mailfilter you also need to have a fairly recent |version of the GNU C++ compiler (e.g. 2.95.x) and your system must |support BSD-type sockets (in general all UNIX systems do meet this |criterion). Since version 0.0.2 of Mailfilter you also need to have a |
RE:This blasted Swen Virus!!
Hello Carsten, Sunday, October 12, 2003, 9:36:49 PM, you wrote: * Barry Higginbottom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This blasted Swen virus is getting me down. Every day I am getting about 150 Swen emails, [...] There is a Windows port of »mailfilter«. Here is a part of its FAQ (there is a typical config file at the end of this mail): can't we do the same with TB's Selective Download? -- Regards, Jurgen Never trust a man who can count to 1023 on his fingers Using The Bat! v2.00.22 http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/index.html Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Integrate Bat witha PIM?
V I'm afraid so. Sorry for making it confusing :) V What I meant was that WinPIM can V open up TB as I described above(so it can 'talk' V to TB), but TB can't open up V WinPIM because there is no 'registered PIM'. So V I said it can't 'talk back'. Ahh... I see now Tell me... do you find WinPIM to be better than Outlook for PIM stuff? Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Canadian The Bat! discussion list
Hello Constantin, Friday, October 10, 2003, 6:46:20 PM, you wrote: CT It's my pleasure to announce that there is now new The Bat! CT discussion list started in Canada. Those of you who live there CT might find in useful, and though it is created with purpose to CT join forces of Canadian The Bat! users community, all users over CT the world are welcome! :-) I'd love to, but as an American, I don't know how to speak Canadian! ;-) grin VBG gdr -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Send-Reply: how to organize thread ?
Hi Thomas Sunday, October 12, 2003, 11:45:24 AM, you wrote: You could set the threading option for your inbox and it should help matters a lot, at least as far as threading goes. TF The threads wouldn't be complete, as his replies are not in that TF folder. I didn't realize he wanted his own replies there too. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Integrate Bat witha PIM?
Hi John Sunday, October 12, 2003, 6:49:19 PM, you wrote: J Tell me... do you find WinPIM to be better than Outlook for PIM stuff? I haven't used Outlook extensively because of its being so prone to viruses. But WinPIM can do everything I ever used Outlook for, minus the integration with Word and other Office products. Check it out - only 3 MB and a great piece of software. Calendar, notes, plans, tasks, contacts. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: replies and cutlines
Hi Allie Sunday, October 12, 2003, 2:48:00 PM, you wrote: AM I meant if you wish to change only your signature +/- your message header AM information without disturbing any of the message body which you've already AM edited, then you couldn't use the %Clear macro, but instead would have to AM use the %ISSIGNATURE macro. I see. Thanks for your help. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: Integrate Bat witha PIM?
Hello Vishal, On Sunday at 5:48 PM you wrote (or at least in part): V I haven't used Outlook extensively because of its being so prone to viruses. But V WinPIM can do everything I ever used Outlook for, minus the integration with V Word and other Office products. Check it out - only 3 MB and a great piece of V software. Calendar, notes, plans, tasks, contacts. Sorry I missed most of this. What is WinPIM and where can I check it out at? --- Darrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat 2.00 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Canadian The Bat! discussion list
Hello Leif, Leif I'd love to, but as an American, I don't know how to speak Canadian! Well, that's really weird... I've always thought that American speak Canadian... By the way, so far there are subscribed guys from UK, Germany and even Argentina who seem to speak Canadian very well... :-) -- All Best, Constantinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Old programmers never die; they just give up their resources. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html