Re: Send of Bug report rejected by RitLabs
Dear Anne, @5-Apr-2004, 04:51 Anne [A] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: M These days bug tracking is done through the BugTraq system A Marck or anyone, More anyone than me. Or, specifically, Alexander Leschinsky! A I've just noticed a message from Bugtracker about a bugnote I A added to Richard's bug - the characters are all to pot. I'm A guessing it's Cyrillic but shouldn't it be in English in A Bugtracker - at least when the bug was filed in English? ... snip A Îïèñàíèå: You're right, of course. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Despatcher
Hello TBUDL, So I want to invoke the despatcher if a message is bigger than, say, 100K or 200K (with attachments). How do I do that? -- TIA, Thomas. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Despatcher
Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote: TF So I want to invoke the despatcher if a message is bigger than, say, TF 100K or 200K (with attachments). How do I do that? AFAIK, you can't invoke the dispatcher automatically and in a selective way like that. You either invoke it manually or have it come up with each mailcheck. What I used to do was to do a manual dispatcher check when I got notified that there was a message with a large attachment. Otherwise I'd just download messages normally. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.05 Beta/1 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Despatcher
Hello Allie, On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:20:45 -0500 GMT (05/04/2004, 18:20 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM AFAIK, you can't invoke the dispatcher automatically and in a AM selective way like that. You either invoke it manually or have it come AM up with each mailcheck. I see. AM What I used to do was to do a manual dispatcher check when I got AM notified that there was a message with a large attachment. This sounds like something I can use. But how do you define large? For me it is 100K (or 200K, have to check which works for me). The setting option under Account / Properties / Mail Management lets me fill in how many header lines should be downloaded. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Despatcher
Hello Thomas, On 5 Apr 2004 at 18:39:38 +0700 GMT [13:39 CEST] you wrote: TF But how do you define large? For me it is 100K (or 200K, have to TF check which works for me). The setting option under Account / TF Properties / Mail Management lets me fill in how many header lines TF should be downloaded. Account Properties - Mail Management - Receiver header only if message size is greater than -- Cheers, Andre Bleib Menschen fern, die deine Ambitionen belächeln. Kleine Menschen tun das immer, aber die wirklich Großen geben dir das Gefühl, dass auch du groß werden kannst. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Despatcher
Hello Andre, On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:13:42 +0200 GMT (05/04/2004, 19:13 +0700 GMT), Andre Wichartz wrote: TF But how do you define large? For me it is 100K (or 200K, have to TF check which works for me). The setting option under Account / TF Properties / Mail Management lets me fill in how many header lines TF should be downloaded. AW Account Properties - Mail Management - Receiver header only if AW message size is greater than Arggh... I looked just two lines too low. thanks. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Woran erkennen Sie, das Sie als Bedienung nichts taugen? Sie halten Caipirinha fur einen fleischfressenden Fisch. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Send of Bug report rejected by RitLabs
On Monday, 5 Apr 2004 04:51 [+0100] Anne wrote: A Marck or anyone, A I've just noticed a message from Bugtracker about a bugnote I A added to Richard's bug - the characters are all to pot. I'm A guessing it's Cyrillic but shouldn't it be in English in A Bugtracker - at least when the bug was filed in English? Yes, that was Somebody with Russian Bugtrack Layout again ;) .-[ ]- | From: Peter Palmreuther | Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:23:48 +0200 | List-Id: tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com | mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |- | [strange BugTrack e-mail] | sec Is this the result of something the 'Val' has done? | | Yes. The bug track system uses logged in users language setting to | generate the message/mail. 9Val seems to have a Eastern European | language setting and therefore the mail looked that 'mailformed' to | you. It's a known bug in Mantis system (at least in the version used | at Bug Track) and I don't know of a fix yet. | | Just ignore it :-) | `- .-[ ]- | From: Alexander Leschinsky | Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:18:40 +0500 | List-Id: tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com | mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |- | | Hello Thomas, | |On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:16:54 +0700 (09.02.2004 22:16 my local time) |you wrote about bugtrack messages in Dutch??, |at least in part: | | TF LOL! The bugtracker shows always the language the latest contributor | TF used. I don't think it's a big problem. | More precisely - message have language, selected by commit's author in | his/her preferences - and I leave a lot of possible languages available | (but can kill all except English) | `- -- / xmpp:ryazanov*jabber.ru Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Get Held Mail into Spamcop IMAP account
Hello bats, I just got a paid Spamcop account and so it came that I'm fiddling around with TheBat's IMAP support for the first time. I want to have the Held Mail folder in my Spamcop-Account folder list, but I cannot manage to get this done. Creating a new folder with that name fails, because File exists, but the existing one does not show up anywhere. What's wrong? -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Despatcher
Thomas Fernandez wrote: AW Account Properties - Mail Management - Receiver header only if AW message size is greater than Arggh... I looked just two lines too low. thanks. One thing though Thomas. I remember when I used to do what you're doing, TB! would not download the messages exceeding your specified limit and the option to delete messages from the server would result in the undownloaded large messages being deleted from the server. I don't know if this is still the case so be careful or just leave the messages on the server for a day so you have time to investigate large messages. Come to think of it, I think you already don't delete messages immediately from the server. :) I remember this from our IMAP discussions. -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com - Sadly using ThunderBird v0.5 on XP Pro signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Get Held Mail into Spamcop IMAP account
dAniel hAhler wrote: I want to have the Held Mail folder in my Spamcop-Account folder list, but I cannot manage to get this done. Creating a new folder with that name fails, because File exists, but the existing one does not show up anywhere. I have to ask the obvious. :) Have you checked if the folder shows up in the Manage IMAP folders panel. If it doesn't show up, try hitting the 'reset' button for the folder list to be refreshed. I'm assuming here that you're using TB!'s IMAP to manage the SpamCop account. -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com - Sadly using ThunderBird v0.5 on XP Pro signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Despatcher
Hello Allie, On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:40:06 -0500 GMT (05/04/2004, 22:40 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM One thing though Thomas. I remember when I used to do what you're doing, AM TB! would not download the messages exceeding your specified limit and AM the option to delete messages from the server would result in the AM undownloaded large messages being deleted from the server. That's not a problem. It's the company account which I am checking at home, so I don't delete messages from the server with this incarnation of TB anyway. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wer zuendet nachts Hauser an? 5000 DM Belohnung! * Message reply created with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Send of Bug report rejected by RitLabs
If they aren't going to use the Help-Feedback-Bug report option or even accept delivery, then maybe they should remove it from TB! Also, the latest TB! release (2.04.7) fixed my problem just as it was recommended. Couldn't we get an automated check for new releases? If there was any notification of a new release, I somehow missed it. M These days bug tracking is done through the BugTraq system Lawrence Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Filtering
Hi Steve, Sunday, April 4, 2004, 7:59:22 AM, you wrote: ST I'm having some trouble with IMAP filtering. When I try to ST re-filter the InBox, it creates ghost messages that I cannot delete. ST The only way I can get rid of them is to delete the account and ST re-add. ST What am I doing wrong? I am having the same problem. The filtered messages are not moved (as I directed), and dupes are created. I suspect that this is a shortcoming of TB!, in its dealings with IMAP folders. Someone else surely knows better and/or more than me. It seems like IMAP needs a bit more work to be truly useable. Folder behavior is a bit funny, and sometimes the folder list says I have a new message, but it doesn't show up in the message list (webmail shows the new message). I am sure the developers are focussing on improving IMAP? -- Christopher Brown Code-Breaker Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Send of Bug report rejected by RitLabs
Hi Lawrence, on Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:06:56 -0500GMT, you wrote: LJ If they aren't going to use the Help-Feedback-Bug report LJ option or even accept delivery, then maybe they should remove it LJ from TB! Supported. :-) LJ Also, the latest TB! release (2.04.7) fixed my problem just LJ as it was recommended. Couldn't we get an automated check for new LJ releases? If there was any notification of a new release, I LJ somehow missed it. On http://www.ritlabs.com/ you can subscribe to be notified of new releases by email. -- Cheers Peter Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence. Winamp currently playing: Gianmaria Testa / Giovannone, Pier Mario - Polvere Di Gesso Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Get Held Mail into Spamcop IMAP account
Hello bats, on Mon, 05. Apr 2004 at 10:49:07 -0500 Allie Martin wrote: I want to have the Held Mail folder in my Spamcop-Account folder list, but I cannot manage to get this done. Creating a new folder with that name fails, because File exists, but the existing one does not show up anywhere. I have to ask the obvious. :) Of course.. :) Have you checked if the folder shows up in the Manage IMAP folders panel. If it doesn't show up, try hitting the 'reset' button for the folder list to be refreshed. It does not show up there and Resetting does not bring it there either. Just INBOX is there, with Synchronise checked (All messages). -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Filtering
Christopher Brown wrote: It seems like IMAP needs a bit more work to be truly useable. Folder behavior is a bit funny, and sometimes the folder list says I have a new message, but it doesn't show up in the message list (webmail shows the new message). I am sure the developers are focussing on improving IMAP? I've not been able to use TB!'s IMAP without severe problems unless I'm connected at LAN speeds. I was just in Toronto, Canada last week, and while I was there, I used a DSL connection to access my IMAP server at home. My home DSL is 256KBps upload and the DSL speed in Canada was 256KBps download. I *still* couldn't quickly read mail. In fact, I spent all of one morning patiently waiting for TB! to sort itself out, synchronising headers in the various folders. I eventually got tired of waiting and subscribed only a few vital folders. Still no joy. I couldn't browse the folders since messages were taking *forever* to load. I think I successfully loaded 3 messages over a 4 hour period of intermittent attempts. I initially thought my problem with TB!'s IMAP at work was based on my having to use an HTTP tunnel to get through to my server. However, I was still having serious problems despite not using an HTTP tunnel from Canada. I eventually gave up, installed ThunderBird, and was working with the folders and messages not much more slowly than if they were available locally. I had to wait a couple minutes for the TB List folders to sync several thousand headers but after that it was VERY comfortable reading. The difference is depressing to experience and ThunderBird, despite it's shortcomings is the clear one to use away from home for me. It's the only one really to use. I'm really concerned about this and wonder if the developers have been testing TB!'s IMAP only on an LAN connection. It works quite well there but things go really downhill when things are slower as it so commonly is. I still use IMAP because it's really neat to use at home. I can manage mail from my desktop in my study and from my laptop and be fully up to date from either machine without having to do a syc operation. I can also switch between SecureBat! and TB! at will since it's IMAP and I can therefore just use either client as I feel like. The flexibility is addictive and I'm willing to use ThunderBird at work to be able to work with IMAP and TB! at home. -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com - Sadly using ThunderBird v0.5 on XP Pro signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Get Held Mail into Spamcop IMAP account
dAniel hAhler wrote: It does not show up there and Resetting does not bring it there either. Just INBOX is there, with Synchronise checked (All messages). If a disconnect, reconnect and reset fo the 'Manage IMAP folders' doesn't show up the 'Held Mail' folder then I think that the held mail folder is a public or shared folder. If it's that, then your IMAP account would need to be given access rights to it. If it's not given access rights then it will not show up for subscribing. I'm not sure why they'd create the folder that way anyway, but it's certainly one reason why the folder may not be appearing in the folder list. -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com - Sadly using ThunderBird v0.5 on XP Pro signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Filtering
Hello Christopher, Monday, April 5, 2004, 9:17:19 AM, you wrote: CB I am having the same problem. Thanks for the response. Here is another one . . . I've checked the box under IMAP Fine Tune to Compress folder when switching to another folder. But, every time I compress, I get the following message: Could not compress IMAP folder due to processing error. Yet, it seems to compress just fine. -- Best regards, Steve Never be in a hurry; do everything quietly and in a calm spirit. Do not lose your inner peace for anything whatsoever, even if your whole world seems upset. - Saint Francis de Sales TB! v2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Get Held Mail into Spamcop IMAP account
On Monday, April 05, 2004, dAniel hAhler wrote... I want to have the Held Mail folder in my Spamcop-Account folder list, but I cannot manage to get this done. Creating a new folder with that name fails, because File exists, but the existing one does not show up anywhere. I have to ask the obvious. :) Of course.. :) You could try the down and dirty method... telnet imapserveraddress 143 A01 LOGIN user pass A02 LIST * If the Held Mail folder appears, in that list, make a note of how it is written EXACTLY... then do the following: A03 SUBSCRIBE INBOX.Held Mail If the folder contains special characters (spaces etc) then you'll need double quotes around the name. Then: A04 LOGOUT Then finally reopen TB, and go to IMAP Folder management, and try to Reset the list. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Using The Bat! v2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Don't sweat petty things, or pet sweaty things. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Get Held Mail into Spamcop IMAP account
Hello bats, on Mon, 5. Apr 2004 at 12:26:07 -0500 Jonathan Angliss wrote: You could try the down and dirty method... telnet imapserveraddress 143 Wow, that did it. The LIST command said: -8 A02 LIST * * LIST (\HasNoChildren) . INBOX.Held Mail * LIST (\HasNoChildren) . INBOX.Trash * LIST (\HasNoChildren) . INBOX.sent-mail * LIST (\Marked \HasChildren) . INBOX A02 OK LIST completed -8 -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Get Held Mail into Spamcop IMAP account
On Monday, April 05, 2004, dAniel hAhler wrote... You could try the down and dirty method... telnet imapserveraddress 143 Wow, that did it. The LIST command said: -8 A02 LIST * * LIST (\HasNoChildren) . INBOX.Held Mail * LIST (\HasNoChildren) . INBOX.Trash * LIST (\HasNoChildren) . INBOX.sent-mail * LIST (\Marked \HasChildren) . INBOX A02 OK LIST completed -8 LIST returns all messages you could possibly subscribe to that have been created, LSUB shows all the subscribed folders. By using LIST, you can see if the folder is there, and created, and you can force a subscription to it yourself. Most IMAP servers won't complain if you attempt to subscribe to a folder that is already subscribed to, so there is no harm there. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Using The Bat! v2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 On the other hand, you have different fingers. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP Filtering
Hi Allie, Monday, April 5, 2004, 10:15:25 AM, you wrote: AM I still use IMAP because it's really neat to use at home. ~snip~ AM The flexibility is addictive and I'm willing to use ThunderBird AM at work to be able to work with IMAP and TB! at home. This is the reason I am hoping that the developers are working on it. IMAP is great, and pop3 just doesn't do it. IMAP seems to be the future, and a solid implementation would be time well invested by them. -- Christopher Brown Code-Breaker Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Hi List, Anyone know why each post I make to the list incurrs this reply (and a corresponding delay in posting): Your mail to 'TBUDL' with the subject Re[2]: IMAP Filtering Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has a suspicious header Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/confirm/tbudl/78e985ab842caab85f879c76eb0c07533726fc9a The link takes me to a page where I can choose to either delete the post, or continue waiting. No additional information is given regarding the alleged offense. For reference, here are the headers, in their entirety, from the email in question: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:36:16 -0700 From: Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Code-Breaker Software X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: IMAP Filtering In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Christopher Brown Code-Breaker Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Dear Christopher, @5-Apr-2004, 14:56 -0700 (05-Apr 22:56 UK time) Christopher Brown [CB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUL: CB Anyone know why each post I make to the list incurrs this CB reply (and a corresponding delay in posting): Message has a suspicious header ... snip CB For reference, here are the headers, in their entirety, from the CB email in question: Wrong! The offending headers come from the server you are using: X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - terra10.terradeca.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thebat.dutaint.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - code-breaker.com Please use a different server or disable the scanners! I was meaning to write to you - you may just get a warning - I actually have to approve your posts manually each time :-(. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Hi Marck, MDP Please use a different server or disable the scanners! I was meaning MDP to write to you - you may just get a warning - I actually have to MDP approve your posts manually each time :-(. What does that mean? I don't understand. First, whats wrong with the scanners? Why are they causing a problem? How could information that was intended to curb abuse be suspicious? Second, what does the ominously-hyphenated 'you may just get a warning' mean? [In my best Bungholio voice] Are you threatening me? The only information I got from your email is that you have to approve my posts manually, which I knew already. Here is what I do know. I am using my mail server on its default settings, I have never touched it, never tweaked anything. I have never spammed anyone in my life, I have never mis-used a system. I might venture to say that if my posts are raising flags, perhaps the system could un-clench its butt-cheecks a bit? -- Christopher Brown Code-Breaker Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Every Email is seen as Junk
Hello tbudl, I just have recently started using the Bat and like it quite well. Until today, I got home and opened The Bat and knew I had emails because I had checked them at work form OE. When I get home to download them I get a series of dings on my PC. I then see where no files were downloaded to my 4 accounts and I know three had emails on them. I looked at the log and saw where The Bat had deleted ALL of my emails on the server. Most of them were from Known users. Why would this happen? I have two filters set up one for my known users and one for the digest this mail list. That's it. Everything else is default with no modifications that I know of I am running version 2.0.4 I have had it for maybe three weeks up and running. Any help appreciated -- Best regards, Ebaystuff Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Dear Christopher, @5-Apr-2004, 15:42 -0700 (05-Apr 23:42 UK time) Christopher Brown [CB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP Please use a different server or disable the scanners! I was MDP meaning to write to you - you may just get a warning - I MDP actually have to approve your posts manually each time :-(. CB What does that mean? I don't understand. First, whats wrong CB with the scanners? Why are they causing a problem? It's because they are adding non-standard headers to the message. They shouldn't do that to outbound messages. It's breaking standards. CB How could information that was intended to curb abuse be CB suspicious? Because it does not conform to standards - any standards. They are completely arbitrary. The list server software hasn't got a clue what they are and can't read English. It just sees them as non-standard and therefore suspicious. CB Second, what does the ominously-hyphenated 'you may just get a CB warning' mean? [In my best Bungholio voice] Are you threatening CB me? No - you *get* an automatic warning from the list server for the fact the message contains suspicious headers CB The only information I got from your email is that you have CB to approve my posts manually, which I knew already. Okay - I wasn't sure you appreciated that fact. CB Here is what I do know. I am using my mail server on its default CB settings, I have never touched it, never tweaked anything. I CB have never spammed anyone in my life, I have never mis-used a CB system. So why do you need to have your messages soiled with non-standard headers to certify that as a fact? They are totally redundant. You use TB - you're not going to send out a virus. You may be a spammer - such headers can easily be faked and contain spoofed tracking data. The headers have zero value to anyone. Bill Blinn also had such headers added to his messages and was kind enough to either turn them off or use an alternate routing that didn't add them. Please consider doing the same. I'd really appreciate it if I didn't have to keep approving your posts. CB I might venture to say that if my posts are raising CB flags, perhaps the system could un-clench its butt-cheecks a CB bit? Not a possibility - That's the way mailman does it and it's not configurable :-(. We've looked and tried and even asked the support group. There's nothing *we* can do. Over to you. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Hello Marck, Monday, April 5, 2004, 6:14:33 PM, you wrote: MDP It's because they are adding non-standard headers to the message. MDP They shouldn't do that to outbound messages. It's breaking MDP standards. I have also had my messages held by the list software (hopefully my headers are now fixed by using a different server -- guess we'll find out!). I think it would be helpful to include a bit of an explanation as to why the message is being held in the automated warning that is sent out. I didn't know the cause of the problem until this thread, and now at least I know what to ask my ISP to change (my ISP inserts similar 'scanner' headers). -- Sean H. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
At 7:14 PM on 4/5/2004, Marck D Pearlstone typed ... M Bill Blinn also had such headers added to his messages and was kind M enough to either turn them off or use an alternate routing that M didn't add them. Please consider doing the same. I'd really M appreciate it if I didn't have to keep approving your posts. CB I might venture to say that if my posts are raising CB flags, perhaps the system could un-clench its butt-cheecks a CB bit? M Not a possibility - That's the way mailman does it and it's not M configurable :-(. We've looked and tried and even asked the support M group. There's nothing *we* can do. Over to you. It wasn't a big deal for me to make the change. I previously posted through my own server -- website and e-mail hosted by Akashik.net -- which adds a variety of X- headers. I thought X- headers were actually covered by one of the RFCs and that they are to be discarded. In fact, Mailman adds its own. This message I'm replying to has these: X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.4.7 X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Inbound, Akashik and SpamAssissin add these: X-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on tomsk.ip-sys.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=6.5 tests=BAYES_00,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact http://www.akashik.net for more information X-MailScanner-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] munged To resolve the problem, I simply switched from my own mail server to my ISP's mail server, which doesn't add the stuff Mailman considers suspicious. It's better than making needless work for the mods and better than having my breathless (HA!) prose delayed. More information, probably, than anybody wanted. -- Bill Blinn - Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 4/5/2004 at 7:53 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Foreign aid is the transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries. This line was left blank intentionally, but now these words are in it. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Every Email is seen as Junk
Hello bats, on Mon, 5. Apr 2004 at 19:11:13 -0400 Ebaystuff wrote: I looked at the log and saw where The Bat had deleted ALL of my emails on the server. Most of them were from Known users. what does the account log say exactly? -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving messages (ctrl-V)
Roelof Otten wrote: ND I realise that this is a failing of my filing system, but has anyone ND found a way that I can jump to the next match using the keyboard? Press Arrow down followed by pressing the character you're searching on. Interesting... I use Ctrl+V all the time, but never have to touch the arrow keys. I have two client folders named with their respective client codes, which happen to be very similar (CCK and CCSRV). Obviously, to get to the correct folder I have to type 3 letters... But it's all down fairly quickly using Ctrl+V and typing the letters. Note that I am still using 1.62r - is it necessary to use the down arrow in v2?? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Hello Marck, On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 00:14:33 +0100 GMT (06/04/2004, 06:14 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP It's because they are adding non-standard headers to the message. MDP They shouldn't do that to outbound messages. It's breaking MDP standards. IIRC X- headers don't break any standards, they are to be ignored by those MTAs/MUAs who don't understand them, and contain information for those who do. When custom headers were introduced to TB, I created my own X-Thomas: header for testing, and my messages arrived at the list fine. CB How could information that was intended to curb abuse be CB suspicious? MDP Because it does not conform to standards - any standards. Except the RFC dealing with X-headers, I believe. Now, I'll hide in my cave and dig out that RFC before you hit me... MDP They are completely arbitrary. That's OK for X-headers. MDP The list server software hasn't got a clue what they are and MDP can't read English. It just sees them as non-standard and MDP therefore suspicious. That's a bug in the list server software then. It should ignore any X-headers it doesn't have a clue about. IMHO. Instead, it chooses to raise an arbitrary alarm that cannot even be turned off. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The save icon on Microsoft Word shows a floppy disk, with the shutter on backwards. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Dear Thomas, @6-Apr-2004, 12:35 +0700 (06-Apr 06:35 UK time) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: CB How could information that was intended to curb abuse be CB suspicious? MDP Because it does not conform to standards - any standards. TF Except the RFC dealing with X-headers, I believe. While that's true, there's something about these particular headers that are suspicious. ... snip Okay - maybe I didn't think that through completely. MDP The list server software hasn't got a clue what they are and MDP can't read English. It just sees them as non-standard and MDP therefore suspicious. TF That's a bug in the list server software then. It should ignore TF any X-headers it doesn't have a clue about. Usually it does - but not these. TF IMHO. Instead, it chooses to raise an arbitrary alarm that TF cannot even be turned off. Here's why I think they really are suspicious - they are multiple. Surely any X header should only appear once. In these messages there are 6 X-AntiAbuse: headers. That just can't be right! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
