Re: OT : How to setup a GMail account with The Bat!
Friday, September 24, 2004, 4:00:48 AM, you wrote: Hi Tbudler, I know that it is a bit off-topic but I really would like to know how to setup a Google Mail account in the Bat! So if someone has already done this, could it give me the way to accomplish this ? I could find some info here: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=169789st=0 Well even if it is possible, it beats the purpose of having a GMail account. The GMail account as features in its web based interface which you will not be able to use at all. Why not just sign up for another free POP3 account. Or is it somewhat of a status symbol to have @Gamil.com address ;-) -- Mean http://www.meandrake.tk Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Linux, as a possible TB 'environment' and 'in general'
Some time around 09/23/2004 21:10:27, I think I heard Paul Cartwright say: BJ Well this thread sparked my interest in Linux so a 45min download for BJ me and have now burnt to disk. I'll let you know how i get on well, this is about running TB on Linux, but we should probably continue this thread on TBOT. if you don't have a subscription, why not? if you do, reply there :) Hello: I'm already subscribed to TBUDL, TBTECH, and TBBETA, not to mention the many other non-TB support lists I am subscribed to. I don't think I want to keep track of another list. -dZ. -- Powered by The Bat! v.2.12.00, Hindered by MS Windows 2000 v.5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: The Bat and Dual Monitors instability
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:33:05 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aacu This seems, so far, not to happen when TB is displayed on the primary aacu monitor. Although I have the main TB v2.12.00 window on my primary 19 CRT, I usually open the msg browser and SmartBat (and move it) on my secondary 15 CRT. The only thing I find annoying is the seemingly random monitor where the next window is opening, although I think I've discovered the new window (whatever that is, msg browser or new/reply msg window) opens where SmartBat exists at that moment. -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: The Bat and Dual Monitors instability
Hello admin, On Thursday, September 23, 2004, 7:33:05 PM, you wrote: Hi, Thursday, September 23, 2004, 12:25:51 PM, you wrote: aacu b) Unspecified instability causing TB to quit and close down without aacu warning with a 'MS error 'Send Now' message thing. aacu This seems, so far, not to happen when TB is displayed on the primary aacu monitor. aacu Anyone else using dual monitors are you getting similar probs? After a day of complete nightmare with TB crashing out and system errors popping up everywhere I've uninstalled TB and am using it on my Laptop. I am very disappointed to discover that this has been a long term bug/problem and nothing seems to have been done about it. I can't believe this is regarded as trivial. I am running dual monitors here on a Radeon 9800 Pro. I have just been moving TB! between monitors and re-sizing column headers without problems. Unfortunately most s/w is not dual monitor aware (try Delphi 7 for some fun) and the older Windows help system produces blank dialogs on the secondary monitor. Are your graphics drivers up to date? -- Best wishes Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: v3 Closing silently and frequently
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:42:17 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has cost me two days lost work and I've transferred everything to a slower laptop where it is working fine. My colleague has already lost nearly 3 months of incoming outgoing mail due to TB f*ing up. (No backup were made due to a misunderstanding, she thought I was keeping archives on the mail server anyway; I do, but for only 14 days...) We've reverted back to v2.03.03, which seems to be the most stable for us. Apart from the lousy HTML editor related functionality (that only 1 stubborn person here is using), there's still a lot unsolved in any later version I've been using now. Sharing your feeling, you're definitely not alone! -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: TheBat! cannot close)
Hallo Grayson, On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:28:21 -0700GMT (24-9-2004, 7:28 +0200, where I live), you wrote: SR I see this behavior regularly - 5 to 6 times a day. In my case the CC moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Grayson. ' This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0.16 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpjB0NqR6G0G.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: TheBat! cannot close)
Hallo Grayson, On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:28:21 -0700GMT (24-9-2004, 7:28 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html SR SR Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: SR http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Grayson. ' Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0.16 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpdXORdtDBvw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: TheBat! cannot close)
Hallo Grayson, On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:28:21 -0700GMT (24-9-2004, 7:28 +0200, where I live), you wrote: SR Hello Terry, snip SR SR Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: SR http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Grayson. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0.16 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpBCP9hRZ9RD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ASMTP?
At 19:21 [GMT-0500] on Thursday September 23 (actual time - 8:21am on Friday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: [snips] Jack Lighten up a little, Roelof. Physician, heal thyself, indeed... Jack Worry about your own health, Mic. Jack I'll worry about mine. Given the ludicrous comment addressed to our esteemed new moderator, it was either the above, or 'pot, kettle, black', but I figured the latter was harsh on Roelof... -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Birds do not sleep in their nests, although they may rest in them from time to time. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thread colouring with my input
Hi Chris, On Tuesday, September 21, 2004 09:46 our local time, Chris Weaven [CW] wrote; CW I read a short while ago, that there is a way to highlight an entire CW thread using the NFS where I have added a message using the mid: CW How can this be done, as I'm interested in doing such a thing! Anyone? -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v3.0.0.17 IMAP OS of Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat! cannot close
Thursday, September 23, 2004, 5:53:53 AM, you wrote: This appears to be a problem that existed in the early Betas, but I'm having it now with v.3.0 -- TB! will not close. Forcibly quitting TB! and restarting doesn't help, nor does rebooting the box. Very irritating. Any suggestions appreciated. You should be so lucky - some of us can't stop it closing itself! -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.0 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Thread colouring with my input
Hello Chris, On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CW How can this be done, as I'm interested in doing such a thing! CW Anyone? Don't know the answer but I'm waiting for a reply as I'd like that feature too. -- Regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 3.0.0.17 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 pgplV6dnw6aXO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Friendly Forums
On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, 3:21:44 AM, Roman wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] R you opened up forums in which only R praise for TB and feature explanations may exist There are other forums where a less-restrictive view of comments and criticism is taken. ;) -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 Flying high with The Bat! v2.12.00 on Xandros Desktop Deluxe v2.0 Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: The Bat and Dual Monitors instability
Hello admin, On Thursday, September 23, 2004, 7:33:05 PM, you wrote: I am running dual monitors here on a Radeon 9800 Pro. I have just been moving TB! between monitors and re-sizing column headers without problems. Are your graphics drivers up to date? Interesting thought - I have now installed manufacturers drivers rather than the Plug and Play drivers XP used. Before I try TB again, then, can you convince me that the drivers might have a specific effect on the crashing of TB? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.0 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: TheBat! cannot close
Friday, September 24, 2004 7:24 AM Marten wrote: Thursday, September 23, 2004, 5:53:53 AM, you wrote: This appears to be a problem that existed in the early Betas, but I'm having it now with v.3.0 -- TB! will not close. You should be so lucky - some of us can't stop it closing itself! Funny, I don't _feel_ lucky. ;-) -- Cordially, -twf = Terry Frazier Atlanta, GA, USA Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat! cannot close
Friday, September 24, 2004 1:28 AM Grayson wrote: I see this behavior regularly - 5 to 6 times a day. In my case the CC is active and TB seems to hang on a particular account. There seems be a pattern with multiple accounts in a single domain. I also saw this in early versions of TB 2.x but it was corrected. I am now back to using Outlook for some accounts and TB for others. The CC is active, but usually empty -- that is, there are no tasks showing in the CC window. If there are tasks I can clear them with the Abort button, but it won't shutdown the CC or let TB! close. I haven't investigated the idea of multiple accounts within a single domain. I might try that. -- Cordially, -twf = Terry Frazier Atlanta, GA, USA Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: TheBat! cannot close
Friday, September 24, 2004 7:24 AM Marten wrote: Thursday, September 23, 2004, 5:53:53 AM, you wrote: This appears to be a problem that existed in the early Betas, but I'm having it now with v.3.0 -- TB! will not close. You should be so lucky - some of us can't stop it closing itself! Funny, I don't _feel_ lucky. ;-) Join the newly-formed TB Unlucky Club!!! #;-)) -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.0 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: The Bat and Dual Monitors instability
Hello admin, On Friday, September 24, 2004, 1:40:48 PM, you wrote: Hello admin, On Thursday, September 23, 2004, 7:33:05 PM, you wrote: I am running dual monitors here on a Radeon 9800 Pro. I have just been moving TB! between monitors and re-sizing column headers without problems. Are your graphics drivers up to date? Interesting thought - I have now installed manufacturers drivers rather than the Plug and Play drivers XP used. Before I try TB again, then, can you convince me that the drivers might have a specific effect on the crashing of TB? Not really but it's better than the standard help desk suggestion of re-installing the OS :-) Many of the standard XP drivers are quite basic, I tend to keep mine up to date from the manufacturers' web site. You could install and play with TB! without putting any data in it? -- Best wishes Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Linux, as a possible TB 'environment' and 'in general'
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 23 Sep 2004, @ @ at 15:43:27 +0200, when Simon Mikkelsen wrote: On 22-9 at 15:30 Mica wrote: Hello Hej! A nice face. (-: Well, it's enough to know that Linux is made by a scientist, for scientists, and Windows is made... well, also by a scientist (-;, but - for the *masses*, in order to get a raw picture of differences we are facing. Windows is possible to be driven by an ordinary person, but for Linux you need a pro driver, an expert - at the start. This is a very popular misunderstanding, made by people who have used Windows for a long time. Think about this: You have spend 5 or 10 years beeing a Windows expert, and knows how to do everything. Then you try Linux (with a GUI), and suddenly everything is done differently. It would be just as hard going the other way, from Linux to Windows. Well... (: When I'm driving a car, I tend to go by a speed I can control it. Otherwise would get me in a trouble. (-: I use similar technics when am reading. I read by a speed I can understand the text. (-: Your comments relate mainly to something I didn't say at all, so I would avoid commenting them. (-: If we could stick with facts, instead with OS ideologies, then we could get much better and stabler overview of these environments TB would function in. Contrarily, we can get just another popularization fever, which is, by my opinion, pretty blind, so far, and... over-killingly passionate, and produces much more harm (for the Linux itself) than any benefit. I'd like better if the people keen to popularize would be much more *objective* and attentive in their observations. (-: But my liking is not a Law, of course. ... Well, perhaps sometimes only. (; Recent popularization of Linux, I will not call the Linux GUI (called X) recent. It have existed for many years, and actually I saw X with a scinable GUI 5 years before Microsoft launched Windows XP. There you see: I didn't talk about GUI, but about popularization. And that's just one of the examples of reading and understanding my message. (-: If I would go further downward fixing the rest of the dialog, it would take really lots of time. (-: I will not say now how long and how I use Windows, DOS, Linux, various sorts of GUI and command line interfaces, since enough presumptions can be derived, and already had, even without it. I'd like if is possible to hold this thread close to the use of TB under Linux environment, without starting any ideological, and even religious, or metaphysical, or perhaps even cosmogonical, flame (or worst - a political one, since I've heard that Open Source followers and supporters are called communists in some circles), related to OSs competitions. (-: So please, if possible, let's get something *useful* and directly and concretely instructive, without fervent waving of various flags, which is, by my impressions, totally irrational and definitely useless in making any benefit as to for instance the use of TB, and related applications (X-Ray, MyGate etc.), under Linux. It is natural, indeed, that we could have to talk about Linux then as well, as we talk about Windows sometimes, since this is an environment where TB works, but if we stick with concrete and helpful facts (eg. how to make TB working under Wine, Cross Over, or under whatever else), as we do daily with helping and analyzing ways of TB functioning, then we could get quite another quality of discussions, where a possible and sporadic flame could be reduced just to a friendly flame, that is to the one when you could roast a small tasty steak on it, instead to burn entire house down. (-: My primary language is not English, yet (seems that my current one and English began a competition over the First Place, judging by my today's addressing huckstress in English), but I hope I've been understandable this time more than the previous one. (-: -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 23 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] pgptJ6NEyFAgq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 21 Sep 2004, @ @ at 15:22:19 -0400, when Paul Cartwright wrote: Hello Mica, Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 2:50:35 PM, you wrote: MM This eMale thinger gotta spillclicker with all sortsa kewl scwiggly red MM lans undur everthung just to show me am awrite. (c) MM Lo again, a magic number - 99 characters! this is a very old tactic, but I've never used such LONG words.. another good way is to use a phrase ( OR TWO :) and substitute numbers for letters: say one at a time 0n3 @t a t!m3 change all vowels to non-alpha characters. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is that long enough?? You never know until you try. :grin: Thomas said they already have some enhanced dictionary attack technics, which would crack such passwords for a shorter time than before, but I haven't tested any. Would be interesting to know how those crackers of the new generation manage with a mix of Cyrillic and other letters derived from Latin ones, and with various letter's arrangements/layouts transposing 8-bit characters to 7-bit ones. As I know dictionary attack would have no a way to resolve such a puzzle, so the only effective attack would have to go step by step, or character by character, and in ascending/descending order. Therefore, if you want to get in time, you use characters around the middle. (-; Anyway and whatever could happen, a longer means more time, as I understand these cracking technics. (-: More time - good, positive. Fast - bad, negative. -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 23 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] pgpjwbRxM3VoC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ASMTP?
Hello Jack, Thursday, September 23, 2004, 5:02:48 PM, you wrote: J If you had just sent the solution, without *all* that background J information, it probably would have passed muster. Anyone want to post that solution to the TBUDP Wiki page? Put it on this one: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Using+TB+with+Earthlink -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Better living through denial. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem about the SSL authentication
Dear Mavers, On 07:51 15.09.2004, you [Mavers] wrote... What do you mean stunnel solution? Does it mean that I use an unsecured connection? The server disables the plain unsecured connection and only accepts the SSL.. so it's very annoying No, I was suggesting that you install stunnel on your machine, and set it up to forward say your local port 1025 to your mail server. Stunnel is a SSL wrapper, which means that it will handle the encryption stuff. You then configure TB to send your mail to localhost with port 1025, and stunnel will take care of the rest ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Heaven doesn't want me and Hell's afraid I'll take over. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ASMTP?
Dear Roelof, On 23:22 23.09.2004, you [Roelof Otten] wrote... You didn't make a typo? Because its dns resolves to eight ip-addresses and when I start a telnet session there is something that apparently doesn't like me, because the session is reset immediately, but I guess that might be because I'm from outside of their network. Using smtpauth.earthlink.net should really work, they do support AUTH (ASMTP): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ telnet smtpauth.earthlink.net 25 Trying 209.86.89.201... Connected to smtpauth100.earthlink.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220-smtpauth00.mail.atl.earthlink.net ESMTP Exim 4.34 #4 Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:36:43 -0400 220-NO UCE. EarthLink does not authorize the use of its computers or network 220 equipment to accept, transmit, or distribute unsolicited e-mail. ehlo pp 250-smtpauth00.mail.atl.earthlink.net Hello hera.geschkult.fu-berlin.de [160.45.213.11] 250-SIZE 10485760 250-PIPELINING 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN CRAM-MD5 250-STARTTLS 250 HELP quit 221 smtpauth00.mail.atl.earthlink.net closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. If it doesn't work from The Bat!, please copy the errors from the account log... Thanks! HTH! Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mein Gewissen ist rein... ich hab' es nie benutzt Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AOL SMTP
Dear Chris, On 03:26 20.09.2004, you [Chris] wrote... AOL uses a proprietary version of IMAP that is only compatiable with the AOL client and Netscape 7. Unfortunately, it won't work with The Bat! Are you sure? It looks okay from here: * OK imap-m05 v37.3 server ready CAPABILITY CAPABILITY * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ XAOL-ENVELOPE XAOL-NETMAIL XAOL-OPTION XAOL.BODY STRUCTURE XAOL-FILTER QUOTA NAMESPACE CAPABILITY OK CAPABILITY completed LOGOUT LOGOUT * BYE IMAP4rev1 Server logging out LOGOUT OK LOGOUT completed The servers are imap.de.aol.com:143 and smtp.de.aol.com:25 (requires SMTP AUTH if not dialled in through AOL). HTH! Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sign on electricity station - Warning! To touch the overhead wires means instant death. Anyone touching them will be prosecuted! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Friendly Forums
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 24 Sep 2004, @ @ at 12:12:52 +0100, when Anne wrote: On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, 3:21:44 AM, Roman wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] R you opened up forums in which only R praise for TB and feature explanations may exist There are other forums where a less-restrictive view of comments and criticism is taken. ;) Yep. Some forums are for Sids and some for Toms, and Huckleberrys. (: -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 23 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] pgp7PnPVPfNHJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What are these exe file in TB folder ?
Hello WilWilWil, Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 5:06:47 PM, you wrote: W What are these files : lngversion.exe DelMSI.exe found in TB W folder V3 ? I was never 100% sure, but see: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Program+Folders+and+Files If anyone knows what some of the missing ones are, please fill them in! :grin: -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Scully, have you ever heard of a race called the Moderators? Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Help file / manual for V3
My help file still refers to version 2 (at least it says What's new in version 2) and I can not find a more up-to-date version. Please can someone point me to the updated help file or manual. I am sure that RIT Labs would not have done a major release without producing a new help file or manual, I am just not able to find it. -- Stuart Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help file / manual for V3
Hello Stuart, On Friday, September 24, 2004, 2:54:37 PM, you wrote: My help file still refers to version 2 (at least it says What's new in version 2) and I can not find a more up-to-date version. Please can someone point me to the updated help file or manual. I am sure that RIT Labs would not have done a major release without producing a new help file or manual, I am just not able to find it. Well, assuming this is not a troll, and taking an expression from one of the IT support people many years ago comparing DisplayWrite with Word for windows, the help file is WYGIWYG - what you get is what you get! This is probably the best place for help, very knowledgeable and friendly people, along with the occasional moderator popping up to keep us in line, it's like being back at school :-) -- Best wishes Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New Filtering System ... er, where is it exactly?
I have been on v3 for a while and am now trying to learn about the New Filtering System - I am having difficulty finding this. All I can find is the same system as before under Sorting Office/Filters although this does have a few things better arranged than before. I certainly can not find the new flow chart style front end - not one single flow chart style graphic (or box imitation) has leapt out at me anywhere. I am beginning to think I have not installed v3 properly. Can anyone advise? -- Stuart Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ASMTP?
Hello Jack, Friday, September 24, 2004, 9:27:29 AM, you wrote: J Does one need to be authorized, or something before one can post J to the wiki? Yes... You do have to register to be able to edit. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: I xeroxed a mirror. Now I have an extra Xerox machine. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Filtering System ... er, where is it exactly?
I have been on v3 for a while and am now trying to learn about the New Filtering System - I am having difficulty finding this. All I can find is the same system as before under Sorting Office/Filters although this does have a few things better arranged than before. I certainly can not find the new flow chart style front end - not one single flow chart style graphic (or box imitation) has leapt out at me anywhere. I am beginning to think I have not installed v3 properly. Can anyone advise? AFAICT that is it... I was mystified by this talk a flow chart but I think that was a way of describing the way the filter actions were listed. SHIFT CTRL S all together gets to it quickly. When you do a global filter (one that can apply to more than one folder, don't forget to set which folders it has to apply to - it's one of the tabs. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.0 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Mica, Friday, September 24, 2004, 3:24:06 PM, you wrote: You never know until you try. :grin: Thomas said they already have some enhanced dictionary attack technics, which would crack such passwords for a shorter time than before, but I haven't tested any. I think Thomas refers to what I know as morphing attacks. Indeed such an attack could be faster if the word is only slightly changed like w!nd. But when the word gets mutilated enough a morphing attack won't have much success. It just becomes a brute force attack. Just download one of the many RAR password crackers as a test. 1-4 chars is very fast 5 chars gets hard. And on 6 chars we already talking about weeks. Using only chars found on the keyboard there are about 102 different chars. That means that breaking it takes 102x longer for every char added. BTW lots of software just waits a second before it processes the entered password. That means only 1 password per second will be tested; no matter how fast the hardware is. Using some Alt+... chars greatly increases the entropy of a password. ° = alt+248 or = alt+159 all typed on the numeric keypad and easy to remember. Personally I have a list with passwords like th798*3%5#ö% No way I can remember them but you can store them in bookmark programs. So you have to remember just one password. Or use a electronic key. PGP supports several electronic keys and even biometrics IIRC. An electronic key is just a little USB key that fits on your key ring. (a real key ring like the one you keep your car keys on) Stick it in a USB slot and PGP will detect it and opens the key ring. Nothing to remember and very high entropy passwords. Enough to match the security of PGP itself. They cost around USD 30 -- Tony Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food? Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thread colouring with my input
Hi Chris, on Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:46:16 +0100GMT, you wrote: CW I read a short while ago, that there is a way to highlight an entire CW thread using the NFS where I have added a message using the mid: CW How can this be done, as I'm interested in doing such a thing! I guess it will be possible. It should work by adding a filter to the watch (Chat) folder that assigns a color group. Alas, in my version I get an AV when I open the Sorting Office, and after that the Actions tab is empty... To be continued on TBBeta: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.0.0.17, on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1800MHz, 512 MB RAM The only person getting his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What are these exe file in TB folder ?
Hi Leif, on Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:00:25 -0600GMT, you wrote: LG Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 5:06:47 PM, you wrote: W What are these files : lngversion.exe DelMSI.exe found in TB W folder V3 ? LG I was never 100% sure, but see: LG http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Program+Folders+and+Files LG If anyone knows what some of the missing ones are, please fill them LG in! :grin: I haven't yet found the time to learn the wiki thing, but looking at the contents of the_bat.cnt and the_bat.gid, both contain information about the help file. -- Cheers Peter Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Filter to Common folder
Hi Stuart, On Thursday, September 23, 2004, 11:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SC Yes, technically your spam is filtered, it is just that it is done by SC the anti-spam program instead of a filter you have created. And yes SC this list is an incredible source of expertise, not particularly from SC me, but from others. The TB! window for anti-spam plug-ins has a minimal explanation of scoring etc.; not enough for the likes of me. I need step by step help for things like this. In any case, Bayes Filter is working beautifully and I think my email downloads are faster now too. SC And just for you, a Canadian still in Canada. What part of Canada, eh? :-)) I grew up in Vancouver but have lived in both Calgary and Toronto. -- Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Linux, as a possible TB 'environment' and 'in general'
Hello Barry, PC gee, it downloaded already:) all 733,499,392 bytes!! BJ Well this thread sparked my interest in Linux so a 45min download for BJ me and have now burnt to disk. I'll let you know how i get on well, this is about running TB on Linux, but we should probably continue this thread on TBOT. if you don't have a subscription, why not? if you do, reply there :) -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT : How to setup a GMail account with The Bat!
Hello Kevin, Thursday, September 23, 2004, 9:42:38 PM, you wrote: KC There are two way that I'm aware of. KC FreePOPS KC http://freepops.sourceforge.net/en/ KC gPopper KC http://www.imizzy.com/gpopper/ wow, thanks Kevin, I thought I looked on sourceforge and didn't find anything for Gmail. freepops doesn't mention Gmail , but under the modules I see you have to download the gmail.lua . I'll try it today! -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Mica, Friday, September 24, 2004, 9:24:06 AM, you wrote: MM As I know dictionary attack would have no a way to resolve such a MM puzzle, so the only effective attack would have to go step by step, or MM character by character, and in ascending/descending order. Therefore, MM if you want to get in time, you use characters around the middle. (-; I'll continue to use what I can remember.. The older I get, the less I can remember :) MM Anyway and whatever could happen, a longer means more time, as I MM understand these cracking technics. (-: More time - good, positive. MM Fast - bad, negative. this is true. But really, what is it I am protecting, and how bad do i want to protect it? There aren't that many passwords that i have that are really that important to me, who would really want them?? and if they got them, could they hurt me?? probably no, most of the time. especially with PGP and an encrypted message! I don't use it much, but if things get sensitive, I can always use it! -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pgp Software
Hello Tony, Friday, September 24, 2004, 12:03:05 PM, you wrote: T Personally I have a list with passwords like th798*3%5#ö% T No way I can remember them but you can store them in bookmark T programs. So you have to remember just one password. Or use a T electronic key. last place I worked, we had these key fobs, that had a digital readout that changed every 60 seconds. It was synched to our servers, so when I logged in, I had a password AND used the digits from that fob. that was nice when it worked, and it was HLL when it didn't. T PGP supports several electronic keys and even biometrics IIRC. T An electronic key is just a little USB key that fits on your key ring. T (a real key ring like the one you keep your car keys on) T Stick it in a USB slot and PGP will detect it and opens the key ring. T Nothing to remember and very high entropy passwords. Enough to match T the security of PGP itself. They cost around USD 30 tell me about these electronic keys, a web site?? -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help! Connection Centre--can't send or receive mail
Hello Deborah, Thursday, September 23, 2004, 2:11:58 PM, you wrote: DS After experimenting with the mail settings, I am now able to download DS as well as send. This seemed to happen spontaneously; I've no idea DS how. Here are the settings that work well, I'm glad you got it working, I flagged that message to refer back to , thanks for the info!! -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message Filters
Hello Mean, On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:44:03 +0530 GMT (24/09/2004, 01:14 +0700 GMT), Mean Drake wrote: Which TB version are you using? MD Version 3.0 Sorry, ignore my comments. Maybe someone else can help out. -- Cheers, Thomas. A duck walks into a drugstore and ask the clerk for Chapstick. The clerk puts the Chapstick on the counter and says, That will be $2. The duck replies, Just put it on my bill. (true story) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Linux, as a possible TB 'environment' and 'in general' (was: Re: bayesit063.rar bayesit064.rar bayesit065.rar ?)
Hello Mary, MB I believe you are right. I was bewildered for months and years when I MB went from using a two 51/4-floppy disk-drive IBM with DOS 2.6 to a MB Compaq 4540 with Windows 95. Wow! Quite a leap! I went through Windows 2.? (still b/w), 3.0, 3.1, . etc. -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugal :flag-portugal: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The BAT! 3.0.0.17 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Friendly Forums
On Friday, September 24, 2004, 07:12:52, Anne wrote: There are other forums where a less-restrictive view of comments and criticism is taken. ;) Thankfully yes :) I just wonder why nobody else has an opinion on Maxim's statements (or even objections to my comments). Even in these free speech (tm) forums/mailing lists. Roman -- The trouble with our times is that the future is not what it used to be. -- Paul Valery Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Friendly Forums
At 18:29 [GMT-0400] on Friday September 24 (actual time - 6:29am on Saturday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: [snips] Roman I just wonder why nobody else has an opinion on Maxim's statements (or Roman even objections to my comments). Even in these free speech (tm) Roman forums/mailing lists. Well, mostly because we've said it all before, around when '3.0' was released. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious. Brendan Gill Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ASMTP?
Hello Jack, Friday, September 24, 2004, 3:49:09 PM, you wrote: J Leif, I registered and then posted the fix to your wiki, although J I'm not certain that I posted it in the right place, etc. I didn't J have a lot of time to read through all the procedures, etc., but I J hope to return to it soon and learn more about it. You might want J to take a look at what I posted under Configuration (Using TB J with Earthlink) and edit it accordingly. Thanks for taking the time to do it! I'll look at it later... Right now it's time to go home and play with the baby's momma! :grin: J BTW, I think your wiki is a great idea. Wasn't mine.. Graham Fosters... But we appreciate the feedback. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Shh! I'm cleverly disguised as a responsible adult. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Filter to Common folder
Hello P.Johnson, Friday, September 24, 2004, 11:18:20 AM, you wrote: PJ The TB! window for anti-spam plug-ins has a minimal explanation of PJ scoring etc.; not enough for the likes of me. I need step by step help PJ for things like this. In any case, Bayes Filter is working beautifully PJ and I think my email downloads are faster now too. As a brief explanation from what I have been able to glean over the last while: Average Maximal Minimal - do nothing unless you are using more than one spam filter, then it would use the average of the two scores, the Maximum of the two scores or the Minimum. Delete the message if score is greater than - should only be used if set quite high, so you can have a chance to review messages before they are deleted. Move a message to junk if score is greater than - moves the message to your junk folder, either in each account or a common folder. Mark stored junk mail as read - is what you must have originally had selected to mark your mail as read. Move messages marked as junk to the Junk folder - is for manually marked mail. Use the Common Junk folder - ie instead of one Junk folder per account. If you use more than one computer to download email and you get the same Junk mail on both computers, because you leave messages on server, there is a trick to only having to deal with the Junk on one computer. Let me know if this is of interest. SC And just for you, a Canadian still in Canada. PJ What part of Canada, eh? :-)) I grew up in Vancouver but have lived in PJ both Calgary and Toronto. Born and raised and always lived just outside of Winnipeg. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.0.17 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Thread colouring with my input
Hello Peter, Friday, September 24, 2004, 11:27:49 AM, you wrote: PM Hi Chris, PM on Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:46:16 +0100GMT, you wrote: CW I read a short while ago, that there is a way to highlight an entire CW thread using the NFS where I have added a message using the mid: CW How can this be done, as I'm interested in doing such a thing! PM I guess it will be possible. It should work by adding a filter to the PM watch (Chat) folder that assigns a color group. Alas, in my version PM I get an AV when I open the Sorting Office, and after that the Actions PM tab is empty... PM To be continued on TBBeta: PM mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] We were having a discussion that involved having a color group assigned to a complete thread that you were involved in. This uses a filter that sets messages from you to a certain color group and then any message that references your email to that same color group. Is this what you mean or do you mean something else? -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.0.17 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Filtering System ... er, where is it exactly?
At 15:00 [GMT+0100] on Friday September 24 (actual time - 10:00pm on Friday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: [snips] Stuart I have been on v3 for a while and am now trying to learn Stuart about the New Filtering System - I am having difficulty finding Stuart this. All I can find is the same system as before under Sorting Stuart Office/Filters although this does have a few things better arranged Stuart than before. Yes, that's it. Stuart I certainly can not find the new flow chart style front end - not Stuart one single flow chart style graphic (or box imitation) has leapt out Stuart at me anywhere. I am beginning to think I have not installed v3 Stuart properly. Can anyone advise? Ritlabs - Over-promise is our motto!!! Having to flick through the tabs is most annoying, I find. You can't just look at a filter and see all the things it's supposed to do. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) If one is master of one thing and understands one thing well, one has at the same time, insight into and understanding of many things. Vincent Van Gogh Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Friendly Forums
Hello Roman, On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:29:01 -0400 GMT (25/09/2004, 05:29 +0700 GMT), Roman Katzer wrote: RK I just wonder why nobody else has an opinion on Maxim's statements (or RK even objections to my comments). Even in these free speech (tm) RK forums/mailing lists. What do you want to hear? Ritlabs is offering a new free service, usage under certain conditions. It's running on their own server, so they can set the rules. Max has explained the advantage of this new forum (friendliness). Do you want to discuss what Ritlabs should or should not offer, or which conditions should apply? I don't think so. People may like the friendlier atmosphere there and use the forum. Other people might not be interested. Time - and not any discussion here - will tell whether the forum will be accepted by the users. -- Cheers, Thomas. This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us. -- Western Union internal memo, 1876. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
