Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
Hallo Kertesz, On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 04:48:55 +0200GMT (8-10-2004, 4:48 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:15:11 -0700GMT (8-10-2004, 0:15 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: KV I am not a moderator, but if Kevin has violated some rule, you too. KV Why is it important to mention your local time over and over again? It's nice that you say that, but I'd like you to point to the following facts: 1) I wasn't moderating Kevin, but Jack 2) Kevin who wasn't breaking rules, uses something like my own header line to tell you his local time too. ;-) 3) That line is in my AB template for this list, I'm not going to change templates just because I have to moderate somebody 4) Since this is an international list, that line has some use. It shows to both authors in a thread the time difference between the respective time zones, so it gives an idea when you could expect an answer or why you didn't get it any sooner. KV We have a term for this case: He's talking about water but drinks KV wine... My country was a bit more biblical oriented and we say: He sses the splinter in the eye of his neighbour but not the balk in his own eye. KV No offense, really, but you jump on every small error... Actually, I don't. Follow this thread back and you'll see that Jack's previous message has the same failing as the one I moderated, but that one got no reaction from any moderator. When you check his messages before this thread (including his replies), you'll see that those didn't break the list rules. Apparently he made he conscious adaption and now he's made conscious of the error in his way. (for this list) KV A moderator should work in the background, not in the spotlight, I KV think. With such an opinion, you should start a discussion off list. Besides you could have read my message completely, because that says: RO To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of RO private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you RO subscribed. So you could have read the welcome message , so that we wouldn't have this part of the discussion. But in short: When we moderate off list, nobody sees it, so nobody is remembered to the fact that it's against the rules, that's likely to cause more offenses than less. Thus causing unhappiness to those who prefer the rules etc. When you've lost your welcoming message and like to receive a copy, I'll be more than happy to send it. -- Groetjes, Roelof (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with a large hammer The Bat! 3.0.1 RC5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpSiFeQwO2gE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Complete Automatically Case sentitive
Hi On Tuesday, 28 September, 2004, at 5:03:26 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello expires30sept04, You got a name? Yes, and I must change that email address too. BTW, reply delayed as I've been away to warmer climes for a few days. On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:00:22 +0100 GMT (28/09/2004, 03:00 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eycu using v2 autocomplete from the address books does not work at all [...] eycu Testing, here crtl+ seems to cycle through the address book eycu entries (including CAs and including favourites as well as eycu entries matching what you've typed) but not from the input eycu history. Correct. That's what I said. Sorry I misunderstood you. My use of entries included items in the input history, yours apparently didn't. Also, the inclusion of all CAs and favourites, regardless of whether they match what I've typed, mystifies me. Especially CAs as I'm unlikely to often send messages to them. eycu If you typed nothing first, it cycles through all entries eycu in all address books. Sure. But not from input history. eycu The ordinary autocomplete picks entries only from the input eycu history and not from any address books. Even if you choose History+All Address Books? Correct. eycu The Autocomplete settings in Options Preferences System will eycu turn on or off the Autocomplete from input list but will not eycu activate Autocomplete from the Address Books Are you seeing five different options? Any combination of histroy and address books is possible. As long as I select one of the options that includes history, then it will autocomplete from history. Whichever of the five options I select, it will not autocomplete from address books. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 8 Oct 2004, @ @ at 11:39:16 +0200, when Roelof Otten wrote: KV We have a term for this case: He's talking about water but drinks KV wine... My country was a bit more biblical oriented and we say: He sses the splinter in the eye of his neighbour but not the balk in his own eye. Ah, here where I live, and work a bit too, contemplating the beauty of terrestrial existence, they have the very same proverb. (-: But biblical sources mention alchemy as well, for instance, the production of wine from water. (: So a misunderstanding is easily possible. Btw, is good to have local time also quoted, altho just a remark about time zone(s) helps enough too. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 37 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBZoQ79q62QPd3XuIRAsOmAJ9theomd9MeGbxtCYkR94TDgMZwPwCgnBGm 0DehPxSADtMqAaYBzbCrnS0= =aBOn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Complete Automatically Case sentitive
Hello expires30sept04, On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:05:08 +0100 GMT (08/10/2004, 19:05 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You got a name? eycu Yes, and I must change that email address too. The email address is up to you (if it works beyond expiry date), what I am referring to is a real name in front of it. Or at least a name at the bottom of your postings, I have problems pronouncing MFPA. Unless I'm ignorant to foreign-language names, that is. No big deal, but I am referring to common courtesy. eycu BTW, reply delayed as I've been away to warmer climes for a few eycu days. That is perfectly understandable. :-) eycu using v2 autocomplete from the address books does not work at all [...] eycu Testing, here crtl+ seems to cycle through the address book eycu entries (including CAs and including favourites as well as eycu entries matching what you've typed) but not from the input eycu history. Correct. That's what I said. eycu Sorry I misunderstood you. My use of entries included items in the eycu input history, yours apparently didn't. No, mine include input history as well, but still I can crtl+ through address book entries. I think we are just experiencing different behaviours. Or it is me who misunderstands you. eycu As long as I select one of the options that includes history, eycu then it will autocomplete from history. Whichever of the five eycu options I select, it will not autocomplete from address books. It's different here. Maybe someone else can comment. -- Cheers, Thomas. Be more or less specific. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2nd REPOST: Problems with S/MIME
Hello Marck, On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:48:30 +0100 GMT (07/10/2004, 17:48 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP You have to View INVALID certificate, Where do I do that? I have imported the cert. I went to the AB, there are Root CAs and Trusted CAs, many of them, which one is the INVALID one? -- Cheers, Thomas. Durchgang bei geoeffnetem Tor verboten. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2nd REPOST: Problems with S/MIME
Dear Thomas, @8-Oct-2004, 22:14 +0700 (08-Oct 16:14 UK time) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP You have to View INVALID certificate, TF Where do I do that? I have imported the cert. I went to the AB, there TF are Root CAs and Trusted CAs, many of them, which one is the INVALID TF one? The button that is the X marker on the signed message. That was my start point for the instructions. Go back there and follow the instructions again. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC5 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpINBAde94vh.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Strange Header Manipulation
Dear all, Must send this one here as I may not receive the OTml properly due to this problem. Please have a look at this header below. When a posting is going to a special account it arrives properly on there Server (have just checked). But after leaving there Server somewhere on the road to my Server it changes the header as below. Can anyone tell my where to look for the culprit? Interesting is the change of the 'From:' and the first 'Receive:' after the 'From:' I need a firm eMail to be able in addressing someone who will look into it. Many thanks for you kind help. START: 'nobody' Header == Received: from newmail.mediasvar.se [194.17.201.37] by nt5.sserv.de with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.04) id ADBF89580240; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:20:47 +0200 Received: (qmail 15000 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 16:18:55 +0200 Received: from mail2.mediasvar.se (HELO ?HOSTNAME?) (194.17.201.52) by newmail.mediasvar.se with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 16:18:55 +0200 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:19:27 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 25753 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 14:19:26 - Received: from unknown (HELO LawrenceOfArabia.com) (213.178.239.248) by mail2.mediasvar.se with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 14:19:26 - X-Mailer: The best stuff :) X-Archive: expiry=7 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:20:51 +0200 Reply-To: Eddie Castelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Testing 20040925 - 1 END: 'nobody' Header == -- best regards www.EddieCastelli.com Eddie :ec: on Tour Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange Header Manipulation
Hallo Eddie, On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:37:18 +0200GMT (8-10-2004, 17:37 +0200, where I live), you wrote: EC Received: (qmail 15000 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 16:18:55 +0200 EC Received: from mail2.mediasvar.se (HELO ?HOSTNAME?) (194.17.201.52) EC by newmail.mediasvar.se with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 16:18:55 +0200 EC Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:19:27 +0200 EC From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EC Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EC Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EC Received: (qmail 25753 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2004 14:19:26 - EC Received: from unknown (HELO LawrenceOfArabia.com) (213.178.239.248) EC by mail2.mediasvar.se with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 14:19:26 - Blame mediasver.se, they own both the servers that put their received headers around the faulty From: header, my guess is that it's done at mail2.mediasver.se, since that uses _HOSTNAME as helo too. -- Groetjes, Roelof Women, like rabbits, will hop into bed at night. The Bat! 3.0.1 RC5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpliKoGJatTM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2nd REPOST: Problems with S/MIME
Hello Marck, On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:29:35 +0100 GMT (08/10/2004, 22:29 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP You have to View INVALID certificate, MDP The button that is the X marker on the signed message. That was my MDP start point for the instructions. Go back there and follow the MDP instructions again. Found it. I don't have a Certification Path tab, though. I have a Certificate tab, but that offers no path. Maybe that's because I'm using an older version of TB. -- Cheers, Thomas. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Save decrypted PGP messages?
Hi Jack, on Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:21:44 -0700GMT, you wrote: J I'd like to save the decrypted PGP messages You (and the others too) might add a note to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2168 to bring it to the top of the wish list again. :-) -- Cheers Peter Don't humanize computers. They hate that! Winamp currently playing: Rare Bird - flight, part I-IV Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2nd REPOST: Problems with S/MIME
Dear Thomas, @8-Oct-2004, 23:40 +0700 (08-Oct 17:40 UK time) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP You have to View INVALID certificate, MDP The button that is the X marker on the signed message. That was my MDP start point for the instructions. Go back there and follow the MDP instructions again. TF Found it. I don't have a Certification Path tab, though. Hmmm .. Then you may not have gone deep enough. TF I have a Certificate tab, but that offers no path. Maybe that's TF because I'm using an older version of TB. Nah - it's been there since v1 S/MIME support. To reiterate ... You have to View INVALID certificate, click the View button at the bottom of the certificate view dialog, click to the Certification path tab in the View dialog, select Henk's authority certificate there and click the Add to trusted button. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC5 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgp3oxNXdVzTM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2nd REPOST: Problems with S/MIME
Hi Marck, on Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:23:52 +0100GMT, you wrote: MDP You have to View INVALID certificate, click the View button at the MDP bottom of the certificate view dialog, click to the Certification MDP path tab in the View dialog, select Henk's authority certificate MDP there and click the Add to trusted button. I came late in this thread, but this works to have Henk's previously invalid sig turn to valid. -- Cheers Peter Smash forehead on keyboard to continue. Winamp currently playing: Rutles - Give Booze a Chance pgpSP7Z2cRDYL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2nd REPOST: Problems with S/MIME
Hello Peter, On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:57:33 +0200GMT (8-10-2004, 19:57 +0100, where I live), you wrote: ...snip PM I came late in this thread, but this works to have Henk's previously PM invalid sig turn to valid. It is not always necessary to do so much trouble to valid a S/MIME sig.. -- regards, Henk. __ :tbflag: The Bat! Natural Email System v3.0nl Professional on Windows XP SP2 PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://gswot.webhop.info/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
RO On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:15:11 -0700GMT (8-10-2004, 0:15 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: KV I am not a moderator, but if Kevin has violated some rule, you too. KV Why is it important to mention your local time over and over again? RO It's nice that you say that, but I'd like you to point to the RO following facts: RO 1) I wasn't moderating Kevin, but Jack You got the point :)) RO 2) Kevin who wasn't breaking rules, uses something like my own header ROline to tell you his local time too. ;-) Moderate him... RO 3) That line is in my AB template for this list, I'm not going to RO change templates just because I have to moderate somebody Why not? Anyway, you dont have to change it, you can delete it manually, too. RO 4) Since this is an international list, that line has some use. It RO shows to both authors in a thread the time difference between the RO respective time zones, so it gives an idea when you could expect RO an answer or why you didn't get it any sooner. Ook... All I wanted to say that you (I mean the moderators) jump on every small stuff and send a mega-length mail explaining what was wrong :)) KV We have a term for this case: He's talking about water but drinks KV wine... RO My country was a bit more biblical oriented and we say: He sses the RO splinter in the eye of his neighbour but not the balk in his own eye. Yes, we have the same, too. It sometimes happens with me, also. So dont take it as an offense, I used to fall into the same trap... We are humans. KV No offense, really, but you jump on every small error... RO Actually, I don't. Follow this thread back and you'll see that Jack's RO previous message has the same failing as the one I moderated, but that RO one got no reaction from any moderator. When you check his messages RO before this thread (including his replies), you'll see that those RO didn't break the list rules. Apparently he made he conscious adaption RO and now he's made conscious of the error in his way. (for this list) Ok. KV A moderator should work in the background, not in the spotlight, I KV think. RO With such an opinion, you should start a discussion off list. RO Besides you could have read my message completely, because that says: RO To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of RO private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you RO subscribed. RO So you could have read the welcome message , so that we wouldn't have RO this part of the discussion. But in short: RO When we moderate off list, nobody sees it, so nobody is remembered to RO the fact that it's against the rules, that's likely to cause more RO offenses than less. Thus causing unhappiness to those who prefer the RO rules etc. Ok, ok. RO When you've lost your welcoming message and like to receive a copy, RO I'll be more than happy to send it. :)) You are sarcastic. You know that I have but I just briefly read it :) Ok, thread closed. Minden jot, Vili -- Kertesz Vilmos Macasoft Bt. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
