Re: Difference(s) Between The Bat! 3.0's Two Versions

[David M. Dickerson]

Hello, Vili!
On Sunday, 10 October 2004, you wrote:
KV> ...I write the financial part: companies MUST
KV> buy professional version. Private persons can
KV> choose.
Thank you for the information, Vili! Actually, it
poses an ethical dilemma for me, and your point is
very relevant.
I started doing consulting back in 1996, creating
Web sites for nonprofit and educational organizations:
I also did some writing, editing, and desktop publishing,
as well as a couple of short-term technical-writing
contract jobs, documenting computer software. E-mail
was critical in communicating with clients, although
I was using Pine with UNIX for most of that time and
was myself essentially nonprofit. ;-)
The Web sites that I created were content-based and I
hand-coded them in HTML with BBEdit, a text editor for
the Macintosh. The nature of the Web changed and I got
behind on my Web skills (although I did get to teach a
Web workshop to teachers in Ukraine in 2000, which was
a wonderful experience, and my first time to use The
Bat!).
Because of economic changes here in America, my nonprofit
clients have not been able to offer me any projects for
some time (although I am always open to volunteer work),
and technical-writing opportunities in this region of
the United States are incredibly rare right now. (I lost
a full-time, salaried job because of outsourcing.)
I apologize for giving my life's story, Vili, but as many
wise people have noted, the only constant in life is change
("mutability," as P.B. Shelley puts it in one poem).
Although I correspond with several successful shareware
developers/sellers in Russia and Ukraine who use the
personal edition of The Bat!, it would be unethical
(and illegal) of me to register the personal version and
to continue using it if I actually started to earn any
money again with my consulting (although I am focused
on finding a salaried job).
Your point is a major one, Vili, and I should register the
professional version. The decision would be the right ethical
one to make now (aside from the financial problem), and the
legal one, in the future, should my situation change for
the better.
Thank you, Vili!
Cordially,
David
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Re: Known filter explanation

[Michael L. Wilson]

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Hello Anthony,

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Anthony mused about "Known filter explanation"
(at least in part):

AGA> Since nobody has stepped forward to clarify the details of how the known
AGA> filter works and it isn't documented anywhere that I can find, I can
AGA> only assume that it is top secret and not intended to actually be used.
AGA> Is this correct?

That is correct.  My experience is this:  Any email that comes from
any email address in your addressbook is known and goes in the known
folder.  Other people say that only emails that comes from your
account email address (i.e.: sent by you to you) are known and go to
the known folder.

- --
Michael L. Wilson, MBA
Ecclesiastic Philosopher
Critic
Teacher

:einsteinyoyo:

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Ponder this: Coarse and violent nudity. Occasional language.

morning   dayevening
===  20:48






Spam Stats, last Week (BayesIt! 0.7.3)
Total Spam Emails: 74
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BayesIT guessed right 96.27451% of the time
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Known filter explanation

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Since nobody has stepped forward to clarify the details of how the known
filter works and it isn't documented anywhere that I can find, I can
only assume that it is top secret and not intended to actually be used.
Is this correct?

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Re: Difference(s) Between The Bat! 3.0's Two Versions

[David M. Dickerson]

Hello, Roelof!
On Saturday, 9 October 2004, you wrote:
RO> http://www.ritlabs.com/kb/idx/44/076/article/
...about the different between the professional and
the home versions of The Bat!
(I will have to do some research on eToken USB tokens.)
Thank you very much for the information, Roelof!
I would appreciate people's opinions about which version
they have picked, via private e-mail, to prevent clogging
up TBUDL. Thank you!
I wonder why the Russian version of the Knowledge Base
article got a higher rating than the English version? ;-)
Cordially,
David
P.S. -- My evaluation copy of The Bat! 3.0 expires tomorrow,
so I need to make a decision (with a budget of basically
nothing, because of some temporary health problems).
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Anyone combine BayesIT! and Bayes Filter for spam?

[Michael L. Wilson]

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Hi,

The Bat! allows more than one plug-in for spam and Anti-Virus.  Has
anyone successfully combined BayesIT and Bayes Anti spam to work
together?

--
Michael L. Wilson, MBA
Ecclesiastic Philosopher
Critic
Teacher

:einsteinyoyo:

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==   20:10






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Re[2]: REG EXPRESSIONS

[TBUDL]

Hello Feli,

Tuesday, October 12, 2004, 9:46:35 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Alexander,

> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:56:30 +0200GMT Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

>> Hello TBUDL & everyone else

>> 11-Okt-2004 08:16, you wrote:

>>> I spent an hour last night reading up on how to create REG EXPRESSIONS
>>> and then add them to my "TheBat!blacklist.txt" with a huge number of spam
>>> email addresses.

>> And you are absolutely, positively sure that. within one hour, your grasped
>> the workings of regular expressions? I stand rapt in awe. :-)

> perhaps Morpheus knew perl before? If not, I stand beside you :-)


Not Perl but I have written and studied in another programming language so I did not 
find the REGEX all that difficult to write for very basic tasks as identifying random 
email addresses :-)

Jokes aside does anyone have an answer to my riddle?

-- 
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"It's like wiping your arse with silk"

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Re[2]: What is "Display current part size" ?

[expires30sept04]

Hi

On Saturday, 2 October, 2004, at 9:11:26 PM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:



> What's FBI?


 A cocktail, short for "Frozen Black Irish"

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Re[2]: REG EXPRESSIONS in BayesFilter plugin

[TBUDL]

Hello Alexander,

Tuesday, October 12, 2004, 10:17:08 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Morpheus & everyone else

> 12-Okt-2004 21:17, you wrote:

>>> And you are absolutely, positively sure that. within one hour, your
>>> grasped the workings of regular expressions? I stand rapt in awe. :-)

>> I would not presume to be so arrogant to intimate that I had a thorough
>> knowledge of REGEX in such a short time however I have some dealings with
>> it some time ago and with another filter program but decided to in
>> another direction.

> I did not want to say that I understood your statement as being arrogant,
> don't get me wrong - it just sounded somewhat naive, but as I know your
> background now, its ok. :)


>> It is not the entries that are the problem it is the software that is
>> removing all other entries not made by itself or so it seems to me.

>> Has anyone else tried to do the same task?

> You are talking about the Bayes Filter plugin. The author is reading here
> AFAIK, your message may have slipped his attention though, thus I took the
> freedom to add to your subject line, I hope you don't mind.

> Either way, with a Bayes filter (I don't know how familiar you are with the
> idea/concept) I for one see little need of enhancing it with RegEx (other
> than for the sheer joy of it, and speaking just for myself, I find RegEx
> does not exactly give joy to me) - if you train it, it will reach high spam
> recognition rates without requiring much user intervenance.

I too have found a very high hit rate since I started to feed it and probably does not 
need any intervention by me with REGEX - BUT dare I say it - yes ok sad as I am I 
enjoy the thrill of REGEX'ing the little bastards with my own fair hand and get a 
great thrill in junking some of my own stuff. I get on average 20 - 30 junk emails a 
day so there is plenty of training going on and enough for me to attack on a personal 
level.

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Re: REG EXPRESSIONS in BayesFilter plugin

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Morpheus & everyone else

12-Okt-2004 21:17, you wrote:

>> And you are absolutely, positively sure that. within one hour, your
>> grasped the workings of regular expressions? I stand rapt in awe. :-)

> I would not presume to be so arrogant to intimate that I had a thorough
> knowledge of REGEX in such a short time however I have some dealings with
> it some time ago and with another filter program but decided to in
> another direction.

I did not want to say that I understood your statement as being arrogant,
don't get me wrong - it just sounded somewhat naive, but as I know your
background now, its ok. :)


> It is not the entries that are the problem it is the software that is
> removing all other entries not made by itself or so it seems to me.

> Has anyone else tried to do the same task?

You are talking about the Bayes Filter plugin. The author is reading here
AFAIK, your message may have slipped his attention though, thus I took the
freedom to add to your subject line, I hope you don't mind.

Either way, with a Bayes filter (I don't know how familiar you are with the
idea/concept) I for one see little need of enhancing it with RegEx (other
than for the sheer joy of it, and speaking just for myself, I find RegEx
does not exactly give joy to me) - if you train it, it will reach high spam
recognition rates without requiring much user intervenance.

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Re[2]: Rogues pics

[expires30sept04]

Hi

On Monday, 4 October, 2004, at 4:45:32 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Maria Cristina Ramos & everyone else

> 04-Okt-2004 15:50, you wrote:

>> This has nothing to do with Lynn's problem, but I'd like to know
>> what's the "Follow up". I know it's a header item you can turn on and
>> off, but what is it precisely?

> Its a reference (actually, the header that contains this "follow up"
> information is called "references" and not follow-up) to previous messages
> in the conversation - like saying "this message (that you are writing) is a
> follow-up to these other messages (as given in the references header)".

All that is correct for the "References" header but does anybody
know what the "Follow-up" header is? The closest I can find
anything about is the Usenet header "Followup-to" which specifies
to which newsgroup replies should be posted.


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Re: current NOD32 plugin

[Barry]

Hello Jan,

Tuesday, October 12, 2004, 8:40:40 PM, you wrote:

> Battyfolk,

> What is the most current NOD32 plug-in & can u direct me to the
> source?

> Thanks.


I don't know if you need a plugin with the trial version but ever
since ive had the retail version of NOD32 it scans and catches viruses
perfectly well and always has without a plugin or any sort of setting
up.

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Saving part.txt with a filter

[David Elliott]

Hi TBUDL,

How do I save a part.txt with a filter.

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Re[2]: REG EXPRESSIONS

[TBUDL]

Tuesday, October 12, 2004, 5:56:30 PM, you wrote:

> Hello TBUDL & everyone else

> 11-Okt-2004 08:16, you wrote:

>> I spent an hour last night reading up on how to create REG EXPRESSIONS
>> and then add them to my "TheBat!blacklist.txt" with a huge number of spam
>> email addresses.

> And you are absolutely, positively sure that. within one hour, your grasped
> the workings of regular expressions? I stand rapt in awe. :-)

I would not presume to be so arrogant to intimate that I had a thorough knowledge of 
REGEX in such a short time however I have some dealings with it some time ago and with 
another filter program but decided to in another direction.

It is not the entries that are the problem it is the software that is removing all 
other entries not made by itself or so it seems to me.

Has anyone else tried to do the same task?


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Re: REG EXPRESSIONS

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Alexander,

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:56:30 +0200GMT Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello TBUDL & everyone else

> 11-Okt-2004 08:16, you wrote:

>> I spent an hour last night reading up on how to create REG EXPRESSIONS
>> and then add them to my "TheBat!blacklist.txt" with a huge number of spam
>> email addresses.

> And you are absolutely, positively sure that. within one hour, your grasped
> the workings of regular expressions? I stand rapt in awe. :-)

perhaps Morpheus knew perl before? If not, I stand beside you :-)

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current NOD32 plugin

[Jan Rifkinson]

Battyfolk,

What is the most current NOD32 plug-in & can u direct me to the
source?

Thanks.

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Ridgefield, CT USA
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Re: What is the word "Pranayama"

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Alexander,

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:03:36 +0200GMT (12-10-2004, 19:03 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

>> Pranayama : what does it mean ?
ASK> That is a typo, it comes from the beta cycle and should really read
ASK> "praynowmama" *GGG*

You've made my day. Good thing I hadn't started my coffee yet,
would've made one big mess.

-- 
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Re[2]: glyphs file for v3

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Mica,
Tuesday, October 12, 2004, 6:58:41 AM, you wrote:

MM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MM> Hash: SHA1

MM>***^\ ."_)~~
MM>  ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 12 Oct 2004,
MM>@  @  at 07:05:03 +0200, when Jurgen Haug wrote:

>> Hallo Fledermäuse,

>> I just noticed now that the glyphs file that I have been using on
>> v2 doesn't provide all needed icons for TBv3 (in the Sorting Office
>> some are missing). Can someone please point me to a collection of
>> glyphs for v3? I checked the czech glyphs collection but couldn't find
>> one for v3.

MM> I didn't notice that any icon is missing using my external glyphs with
MM> v3. If you want, I could send them to you privately.

 Do you have all the icons in Sorting Office? I'm missing New Filter,
 Move In/Out/Up/Down.

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Not connecting to server

[Kitty V.]

I sent a post from my other e-mail address yesterday but haven't seen
it post (I apologize if I am in error, but I am having difficulty
connecting for mail now).

I am a long time TB user.  I set up TB on a new computer this weekend.
 I decided to do an install from scratch to fix a few filter problems
 (I did copy over my mailboxes).  I also upgraded to version 3 at the
 same time.

 I have about 7 accounts that I check
 for mail.

 Three of the accounts are all with the same server and have the same
 basic way they need to be set up.  Two of them are connecting and
 getting mail.  On the third, the connection center constantly says it
 it is connecting (for hours at a time) but never connects.  Since the
 other accounts are working I don't understand why that one won't
 work.

 The other three accounts are earthlink accounts and none of them will
 connect to get mail.  The account settings are identical to those
 that I had before which were working.

 Also, the connection center doesn't give up on these accounts and
 continues to show that it is attempting to connect.  Therefore, I
 can't close TB as I get the message that there are still unfinished
 tasks.  I have tried aboring these tasks but that doesn't work.

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Re: Solution for Re[3]: M A Y D A Y ! ! ! -Memory explode with TB - Act 2

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello WilWilWil & everyone else

12-Okt-2004 18:56, you wrote:

> Just TB is USELESS and NIL !

> I'm not very happy to export 6000 mails, filters and trees to an other
> mailer and to have lost my money !

I'd rather report that as a bug if I were you - can't be a big deal to fix
it if it is reproducable.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Paul White]

On Tuesday, 12 October 2004 at 03:28 (UK time), Roman Katzer said:

> I have noticed a couple of times recently that the connection center
> hangs
> when I can't get mail from one of my accounts. It's a regular
> POP3-Account, all very vanilla.
> Now when I notice that the fetch connection hangs and I try to either
> abort or delete the task, the line containing that task disappears from
> the CC but I can't close TB. TB claims that there are still tasks active.

I've just experienced something similar in version 3.0.1 which should be released very 
soon. I've had this problem for several years now. A bug which *must* be fixed.
-- 
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Re: What is the word "Pranayama"

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Wil & everyone else

12-Okt-2004 01:08, you wrote:

> Pranayama : what does it mean ?

That is a typo, it comes from the beta cycle and should really read
"praynowmama" *GGG*

...SCNR

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Solution for Re[3]: M A Y D A Y ! ! ! -Memory explode with TB - Act 2

[WilWilWil]

W> ==Original message text===

W> It seems that my memory explode (150 MO now) and cpu to, just when I try
W> to answer 2 mails from the same person. Other answers seem to be OK with
W> other sender...

W> Is it possible ? CPU can reach 99% !

W> ==End of Original message text===

3 nights without rest and I have the solution : 

My memory explode only for answers to the same friend.

It's because we exchange on the same subject during 10 or 15 mails and we keep all 
quoted text since the first mail : all the history !

So, after 10 or 12 answers, the size mail I have to answer is more than 500 000 
characters because of HTML tags ! ANd TB explode !!

ANd don't say Bravo HTMLIt is the same thing when you use plain text : if you 
reach more than 500 000 Characters in Plain text mail, and want to answer it, TB 
explode Too !

So, why keeping all history of a mail ?

Because when you work on a subject, and one day you decide to print it for read it in 
the train, you just need to print one mail and you have all history. I never have this 
kind of problem with Outlook or Outlook express. I think it's a real problem for a 
mailer to explode so quickly !!!

I just test to answer a mail of 10 000 000 Char with : OE6, Outlook, Foxmail and 
Webmail : NO PROBLEM !

Just TB is USELESS and NIL !

I 'm not very happy to export 6000 mails, filters and trees to an other mailer and to 
have lost my money !

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Re: REG EXPRESSIONS

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello TBUDL & everyone else

11-Okt-2004 08:16, you wrote:

> I spent an hour last night reading up on how to create REG EXPRESSIONS
> and then add them to my "TheBat!blacklist.txt" with a huge number of spam
> email addresses.

And you are absolutely, positively sure that. within one hour, your grasped
the workings of regular expressions? I stand rapt in awe. :-)

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Bayes Filter Problems

[TBUDL]

Hi

I have spent a great deal of time reading up on how to create REG EXPRESSIONS and then 
add them to my "TheBat!blacklist.txt" with a huge number of spam email addresses. The 
only entry in there was a TEXT entry for the first found piece of Junk mail and then I 
added my REGEXPR... to individual lines below it. This morning TB! found more junk and 
added another TEXT entry and deleted all of my hard work! 

http://www.lkcc.org/achim/thebat/readme.htm
specifically states that:
Select any path and filename you want. You can edit this file with every text 
editor. Be sure that you seperate every blacklist search by a new line! You can use 
plain text strings or regular expressions! In front of a textstring write TEXT: and in 
front of a regular expression write REGEXP:

I do have the option checked to autoinsert spam sender to blacklist. Is this why it is 
overwriting? But if I dont check this it will not gather a list of bad addresses?

  

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Re: wish for added condition in sorting office

[Dan Grunberg]

Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:42:32 +0200 (8:42 AM EDT here) Roelof Otten wrote:

> Hallo Everybody,

>   For my needs the sorting office is definitely lacking a condition.

>   When matching the recipients to an AB group, you can pick from: AB
>   group contains -> Sender  First recipient
>   All recipients  Sender and first recipient
>   Sender and all recipients

>   What I need is:  Any recipient

I haven't tested it but you might want to try looking for this regular
expression in the kludges, to filter a particular recipient.

To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

which I think will look for:

   To:  To:

   \s   a space

   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note that \. in the RE responds
  to the email addresses

   *.   any number of any characters _except_ new line

   \s   a space

   [\s\r]   either a space or a new line
  

>and maybe:  Sender and any recipient

The Sender and All Recipients appear in the kludges, so why not look
for the sender(s) and the recipient(s) in the kludges.

>   I've got a couple of bad addresses in my AB, when a message is
>   directed to any of those, I don't want to see it. Let's call it a
>   reversed twit filter or something like that. Anybody agreeing with
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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Michael,

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:10:08 +0200 GMT (12/10/2004, 22:10 +0700 GMT),
Michael Geyer wrote:

MG> Mary _is_ correct, the V1./2 filters are in the .srx files, the .srb
MG> files do contain the v3 filters.

I was sure I deleted the .srx files before starting v3. Apologies tyo
the list, and especially to Mary. I have no .srx files on my machine
now.

>> If in doubt, just rename, don't delete. ;-)

MG> Here I agree with you completely!

Luckily, I didn't cause any damage to myself. I hope everybody who
followed my initial advice also followed this one.

I gotto find a rock to hide under...

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roelof,

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:00:47 +0200 GMT (12/10/2004, 22:00 +0700 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:

RO> Umm, I don't know how to bring it to you, but the *.srx files are the
RO> v1/v2 sorting office, *.srb is the NFS.

Ouch. I have no .srx files any more, so you must be right.

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Re: V3 + KAV status

[Chris Weaven]

Hi Nick,

On Tuesday, October 12, 2004 13:10 our local time, Nick Dutton [ND]
wrote;

ND> What's the status with v3 and Kaspersky AV (4.5 pro)?  Is there a
ND> working plug-in available yet, that doesn't require any fudging?

I'm using the KAV plug-in with TB! V3 at home, but not here at work.

I currently have two KAV plug-ins running;

1. Installed an old version of TB! (V2.11 I think) and upgraded to V3
2. Installed the beta plug-in

The old version of TB! and the V3 upgrade 'appears' to work better, as
you can actually see the number of AV definitions and it registers as
'Ok'.

The beta plug-in is working, but the status is 'unknown'.

I prefer the old version with the upgrade, but either way, it works here
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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Michael Geyer]

Hi Thomas and list,

On Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 21:27:06 GMT +0700 (which was 16:27
where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote (at least in parts) and made
these valuable points on the subject of "connection center, TB 2.12":


Not that I'd like to correct you, but for the sake of everyone who
wants to deal with v3 filters:

MB>> I do believe it will still be important before doing an overwriting
MB>> installation to delete the .srb files in the directory, The
MB>> Bat!/Account. NOT the .srx files--that's a very important caution.

> NO! You got it wrong. *If* there are any .srx files (which a
> non-beta-tester won't have), those are the ones to delete. The .srb
> files are the filters in v2.x. If you delete them, they are gone.

Mary _is_ correct, the V1./2 filters are in the .srx files, the .srb
files do contain the v3 filters.

> If in doubt, just rename, don't delete. ;-)

Here I agree with you completely!


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Re: 98% of ALL my mail is about The Bat!

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roelof!

On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, 5:16 AM, you wrote:

MLW>> I think it is interesting that I decided to use an email program
MLW>> like this so that I could read email about this email program.
MLW>> 98% of all my email in a day is either from TBUDL, TBBETA,
MLW>> TBTECH or TBOT.

:)

RO> It's not quite that bad for me, the last 52 messages were 2 spams,
RO> 10 non-tb messages and the rest tb-stuff. It got quite a bit worse
RO> since I started on tbbeta, but I guess that only means that folks
RO> at Ritlabs are very busy.

Pretty close to that bad for me! Maybe 90 per cent, if you count PMs
from list members. I get less than one Spam per day on both my TB!
accounts.

And I'm so engaged and intrigued that I wake up at 3:30 a.m. and check
to see what's happening on tbbeta! (Well, admittedly this morning a
thunderstorm had me half-awake when my brain said, Go Fire Up Old
Blue!) 

BTW, this .msi Install went perfectly and solved both my remaining two
problems. I sent this information to Maxim Masiutin, who seems to have
been the main programmer working on the .msi, but the post hasn't
showed up here yet on my Message Dispatcher.

We may be very close to a full release of v. 3.0.1. I'm wondering if
someone is going to test it as an overwrite of v. 2.12.00 first--but I
guess I should be posting that "wondering" to tbbeta.

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Re: glyphs file for v3

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Jurgen,

on Tuesday, 12. October 2004, at 07:05:03 [GMT +0200] you wrote
regarding "glyphs file for v3":

> I just noticed now that the glyphs file that I have been using on
> v2 doesn't provide all needed icons for TBv3 (in the Sorting Office
> some are missing). Can someone please point me to a collection of
> glyphs for v3? I checked the czech glyphs collection but couldn't
> find one for v3.

From Beta 6 on, there is a new line in the Glyphs which are for the
new icons in the NFS. For example the icon for 'New Filter' is not
implemented in most actual Glyphs.

Here a collection of Glyphs:
http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?secid=10

No. 58 is the only on till now which is correct working with TheBat! 3
Beta 5 or higher.


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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Thomas,

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:27:06 +0700GMT (12-10-2004, 16:27 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

TF> NO! You got it wrong. *If* there are any .srx files (which a
TF> non-beta-tester won't have), those are the ones to delete. The .srb
TF> files are the filters in v2.x. If you delete them, they are gone.

Umm, I don't know how to bring it to you, but the *.srx files are the
v1/v2 sorting office, *.srb is the NFS.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mary,

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:55:51 -0500 GMT (12/10/2004, 15:55 +0700 GMT),
Mary Bull wrote:

MB> That said, we haven't seen a test yet of an upgrade from a v. 2.12.00
MB> to a v. 3.0.1

I upgraded from 2.12.02 to 3.0.1 RC5. Does that count?

MB> My filters all converted perfectly from the Old Filter System to the
MB> New Filter System when I overwrote v. 2.12.00 with v. 3.0.

I had no problems either.

MB> People with complicated Regular Expressions and sub-filters did not
MB> always experience such a smooth conversion.

There were no sub-filters in 2.x, and I have some filters using RegEx,
and they converted perfectly.

MB> I do believe it will still be important before doing an overwriting
MB> installation to delete the .srb files in the directory, The
MB> Bat!/Account. NOT the .srx files--that's a very important caution.

NO! You got it wrong. *If* there are any .srx files (which a
non-beta-tester won't have), those are the ones to delete. The .srb
files are the filters in v2.x. If you delete them, they are gone.

If in doubt, just rename, don't delete. ;-)

MB> Once 3.0.1 is installed, new filters created will--always of course
MB> with the caveat YMMV--work correctly.

Filters are critical for me. If they hadn't been converted correctly,
I would have reverted to my backed-up 2.x. It was not necessary, and
the glitches at the first beta versions seem to have been fixed
throughout. I think it is important that filters are converted
correctly, so I tested it especially, and there are _no_ problems on
my system. :-)

MB> Save your v. 2.12.00 zip so that you can roll back.

Also save your registry key. You won't be able to roll back otherwise.

@Mods: Even this thread has turned to be about the current beta
series, I found it important to voice my confidence in the upcoming
release. Let me add that like Mary, I don't use IMAP or any plugins
(except for MyGate), so I can't comment on that.

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Re: glyphs file for v3

[Mica Mijatovic]

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> Hallo Fledermäuse,

> I just noticed now that the glyphs file that I have been using on
> v2 doesn't provide all needed icons for TBv3 (in the Sorting Office
> some are missing). Can someone please point me to a collection of
> glyphs for v3? I checked the czech glyphs collection but couldn't find
> one for v3.

I didn't notice that any icon is missing using my external glyphs with
v3. If you want, I could send them to you privately.

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wish for added condition in sorting office

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Everybody,

  For my needs the sorting office is definitely lacking a condition.

  When matching the recipients to an AB group, you can pick from:
  AB group contains -> Sender
   First recipient
   All recipients
   Sender and first recipient
   Sender and all recipients

  What I need is:  Any recipient
  and maybe:   Sender and any recipient

  I've got a couple of bad addresses in my AB, when a message is
  directed to any of those, I don't want to see it. Let's call it a
  reversed twit filter or something like that.
  Anybody agreeing with this wish?

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V3 + KAV status

[Nick Dutton]

Hello,

I'm not a beta subscriber (I've got enough on my plate as it is), so
apologies for bringing this up here.

What's the status with v3 and Kaspersky AV (4.5 pro)?  Is there a
working plug-in available yet, that doesn't require any fudging?

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Re: 98% of ALL my mail is about The Bat!

[Nick Dutton]

MLW>> I think it is interesting that I decided to use an email program like
MLW>> this so that I could read email about this email program. 98% of all
MLW>> my email in a day is either from TBUDL, TBBETA, TBTECH or TBOT.

RO> It's not quite that bad for me, the last 52 messages were 2 spams, 10
RO> non-tb messages and the rest tb-stuff. It got quite a bit worse since
RO> I started on tbbeta, but I guess that only means that folks at Ritlabs
RO> are very busy.

I've pondered this OT not so long ago.

If anyone's interested (too late now), my stats from POPFile:

| Messages Classified
| Bucket Classification CountFalse Positives False Negatives
| lists  5,136 (45.85%)  2   0
| ok 1,148 (10.24%)  9   19
| spam   4,357 (38.89%)  18  30
| unclassified 560 (4.99%)   20

Of course the numbers are meaningless, but the %s are steady at these
levels.

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Re: "connection centre" always on

[Nick Dutton]

>> how to  remove it, can any one help !

TN> Options/Preferences
TN> Change "Display Connection Centre": Automatically|Always|Hide

It's kind of useful, but a pain to toggle, so I map --C to show
and ---C to hide.

I Use it mostly on a Monday morning when TB!'s catching up on a
weekend's worth of SPAM/groups and can seem to chug on forever.


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Re: 98% of ALL my mail is about The Bat!

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Michael,

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:11:33 -0700GMT (12-10-2004, 6:11 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MLW> I think it is interesting that I decided to use an email program like
MLW> this so that I could read email about this email program.  98% of all
MLW> my email in a day is either from TBUDL, TBBETA, TBTECH or TBOT.

It's not quite that bad for me, the last 52 messages were 2 spams, 10
non-tb messages and the rest tb-stuff. It got quite a bit worse since
I started on tbbeta, but I guess that only means that folks at Ritlabs
are very busy.

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Re[2]: Selective download move from an account to another !

[WilWilWil]

==Original message text===
From: Alexander S. Kunz 
To: WilWilWil 
Date: Monday, October 11, 2004, 1:49:06 PM
Subject: Selective download move from an account to another !
ASK> Btw. do you have a realname too? :)
===End of original message text===
My real name is Wil.

On the World Wide Web (www), some friends decide it will become WilWilWil and I've 
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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roman!

On Monday, October 11, 2004, 10:05 PM, you wrote:

MB>> You have described the behavior perfectly. It's a bug.
RK> [...]
MB>> No help for it. You will have to do it that way, I think. :(

RK> And will stay one. ARGH!

I'm sorry. :woe:

NB>> Then you might want to solve your problem by upgrading to v.
NB>> 3.0.1.

RK> Hm. What about the upgrade problems some people had? Like filters
RK> not working any more etc?

Most of these have been solved during the series of betas. Most
filters are now working for most people.

That said, we haven't seen a test yet of an upgrade from a v. 2.12.00
to a v. 3.0.1

My filters all converted perfectly from the Old Filter System to the
New Filter System when I overwrote v. 2.12.00 with v. 3.0.

But they were one-step filters to move a "contains" a certain header
from Sender in Incoming Mail to a particular Inbox subfolder.

People with complicated Regular Expressions and sub-filters did not
always experience such a smooth conversion.

I do believe it will still be important before doing an overwriting
installation to delete the .srb files in the directory, The
Bat!/Account. NOT the .srx files--that's a very important caution.

Once 3.0.1 is installed, new filters created will--always of course
with the caveat YMMV--work correctly. There's a small learning curve
in learning to create filters in the New Filter System but I was up
and running on it after only a couple of mistakes.

Some people are still having some troubles with IMAP. But reports on
the tbbeta list are that it is greatly improved. I myself am running
only POP3/SMTP, on two accounts, with two separate servers.

I have no plug-ins. Some people are still having trouble with Bayesit.
But a variation of that, Bayes Filter, is catching a reported 99 per
cent of Spam in most cases, with no side-effect problems at all.

Let's see, can I think of anything else? Hm, that's about the crop.

Save your v. 2.12.00 zip so that you can roll back. Then when v. 3.0.1
full release is announced, get the evaluation copy of it. You'll have
30 days to decide if it's for you.

That's the best advice which I--a stranger to you, but a fellow TB!
user and tbudl subscriber--can give to you at present.

MB>> Alternatively, you could roll back to about v. 2.00.6 or earlier.
MB>> I don't think I had the hanging CC when I was running that
MB>> version.

RK> But other errors, in IMAP for instance.

Ah. You are an IMAP user? Why don't you subscribe to tbbeta and have a
look at its recent archives. Allie has been using IMAP with TB! for a
long time and he seems to have it working fairly well now. Others have
had such big problems that they are not willing to see if they are
finally fixed in v. 3.0.1.

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Re[2]: What is the word "Pranayama"

[Martin Webster]

 
Admin [A], wrote:

A> So it's obvious - they are saying a new release is on its way but
A> DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH!

Very good! :-)

Nonetheless, I think it will be worth the wait... RL has put a lot of
effort into 3.0.1, which has _many_ bug fixes.


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