Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Hi Bat! Fans, Just wondering if Bat! can handle high speed ADSL correctly. My standard connect is 1.5 mb. I have noticed at times that all messages are downloaded (info from the connection centre) and the message deletion from the server may be 10 or 15 messages behind. However eventually the deletion catches up maybe half a minute after the last message has been downloaded. However yesterday I had a freak connection, and was downloading in excess of 39,000 cps. I ended up with corrupted message data bases, which could not be recovered by the maintenance utility (thanks Roelef for your help). Using the web pages for my isp, I had a look at this mail (which Bat! had not deleted), and all of it seemed destined for the corrupted folders. Just wondering, as the subject line says, can Bat! correctly handle ultra high speed connections? Or just a coincidence? Regards, -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 In plumbing, a straight flush is better than a full house Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Storing sent mails automatically in the correct folder...
Hello WilWilWil everyone else, on 26-Feb-2005 at 00:21 you (WilWilWil) wrote: It would be perfect. If I send a mail to friend named A from his folder I've set, I do not need to move the sent mail to his folder. TB do it for me. TB does this for me. With a Virtual Folder. :-) You only need two conditions in the filter for the VF: .- | sender is [EMAIL PROTECTED] | OR recipient is [EMAIL PROTECTED] `- Include the folders where the messages from your friend arrive normally (Inbox Known, or whatever...) and don't forget the Sent Mail folder in the watchlist of the VF - done. You have all messages from and two your friend right at hand in the VF. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The known is finite, the unknown infinite. Intellectually, one could stand on an islet in the midst of an illimitable ocean of inexplicability. Our business in every generation is to reclaim a little more land, to add to the extent and solidity of our possessions. -- Thomas Henry Huxley Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Hello John Phillips everyone else, on 26-Feb-2005 at 09:01 you (John Phillips) wrote: I have noticed at times that all messages are downloaded (info from the connection centre) and the message deletion from the server may be 10 or 15 messages behind. However eventually the deletion catches up maybe half a minute after the last message has been downloaded. Thats not important, the commands will be executed by the POP3 server only after TB signs off with the QUIT command. Just wondering, as the subject line says, can Bat! correctly handle ultra high speed connections? Or just a coincidence? I've had TB running at work on a 5mbit leased line, and connected it to our Exchange server via IMAP on the 100mbit LAN and never experienced any problem. So I'd say - coincidence. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you'll be a mile away and have his shoes. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 26 Feb 2005, @ @ at 00:38:01 +, when MFPA wrote: I remember somebody who said only email me with this exact subject line, or your messages will be junked by my spam filters. Mind, he hosted a software download site and provided email support. Well yes, this is particularly useful for webmasters, and this part I didn't discuss with Richard since he has no any address used this way. It's just enough to write a short warning on the place the mailto link is set, and to use a form like this: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and then you filter both against subject and address, or just against subject. If needed might be added body part as well. I see also that newsletter senders are all the more aware of the SPAM problem, and that they are reminding a new subscriber to put the newsletter address (or some special piece of code from their headers) on the 'white list'. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :flagmica: [Earth LOG: 178 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector via Wine... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFCIFDt9q62QPd3XuIRAkgRAKCAPDbERgb+vlnegbYOks3NyqIkTQCfXYOL WIH9D4QJ3MBb6koru/tB5aI= =NIFp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Hello Alexander, A reminder of what Alexander S. Kunz on TBUDL typed on: 26 February 2005 at 09:17:09 GMT +0100 ASK So I'd say - coincidence. Me too. I have my Bat running on the same PC as my mail server. The whole process of collecting and sending is all but instantaneous with no corruptions. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
John Phillips writes: Just wondering if Bat! can handle high speed ADSL correctly. My standard connect is 1.5 mb. I connect to my own e-mail server on my LAN at speeds of 100 Mbps with no trouble. I have noticed at times that all messages are downloaded (info from the connection centre) and the message deletion from the server may be 10 or 15 messages behind. However eventually the deletion catches up maybe half a minute after the last message has been downloaded. I've noticed that I get very consistent faults in the program if I try to reference a file into which TB has placed new messages, if the connection center is still open and churning. Sometimes it takes several minutes for TB to finish up whatever it is doing, and any attempt to work with the affected folders in the meantime causes repetitive faults. The database seems to be unaffected, and I can usually just click past the exception message, but in some cases TB freezes and must be killed and restarted. Just wondering, as the subject line says, can Bat! correctly handle ultra high speed connections? Ultra high speed is billions of bits per second, not millions of bits. Megabit and even megabyte speeds are not generally a problem for today's computers. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
On Sat, 26 Feb. 2005 19:01:54 +1100 GMT(26/02/2005, 08:01 + GMT), John Phillips wrote: 6JP Just wondering if Bat! can handle high speed ADSL JP correctly. My standard connect is 1.5 mb. I thought I had a similar problem, but have concluded that it was Norton AntiVirus unable to deal with connecting to more than one server at a time when any of them had more than a few messages to collect. -- Eric Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- Best regards, Ericmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Hello Tony, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:00:16 + GMT (26/02/2005, 18:00 +0700 GMT), Tony Boom wrote: TB Me too. I have my Bat running on the same PC as my mail server. The whole TB process of collecting and sending is all but instantaneous with no TB corruptions. In the office I also download mails from the LAN at 100MBps. No corruption, even though the filtering (and status importing messages is a couple of seconds slow. No problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. Eine Ratte schwaermt der anderen vor: 'Ach ja, diese Lerngesetze sind schon toll! Jedes Mal wenn ich diesen Hebel druecke, muss mir der Weisskittel Futter geben!' Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Storing sent mails automatically in the correct folder...
Hello Mary, On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:46:07 -0600 GMT (26/02/2005, 06:46 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: MB In your Account/Sorting Office-Filters/file drop-down-menu, choose MB Create a new Filter, while the focus is on Outgoing. Name the filter MB (for example) A. Put Recipient (get recipient from the scroll menu) MB contains (for example) A. From the Action Tab, choose Move the MB message to a folder and click the box that says Add. Choose the MB folder you want from the tree that appears. Then click OK. This works. MB If I am wrong on this, there are plenty of people reading TBUDL who MB will correct me. :) You are right about this, but there is a features request out there wishing for an option to store sent messages in the folder that is active when message is created or something like that. This would improve usability. -- Cheers, Thomas. Sex is hereditary. If your parents never had it, chances are you won't either. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! truncating messages encrypted with PGP
Hello: I am using TB! v2.12.00 and just recently decided to use my current installation of PGP Freeware v7.0.3 to encrypt/decrypt messages. I used to do this before when I used Eudora Pro, but never in TB!. TB! encrypts messages perfectly fine, and I am able to decrypt the messages without trouble using the PGP tools outside of TB!, but when I use TB!'s functions to decrypt, it truncates the messages. After some testing, I noticed that TB! displays *only* the part of the message after the first blank line. So for example, if the decrypted message was (note: the message is only what's enclosed within the --MSG-- and --END-- lines): --MSG-- Hello: This is a secret. bye! --END-- After decrypting the message in TB!, it will display: --MSG-- bye! --END-- This behaviour seems to be consistent: All messages, after decrypting, are displayed starting from the first blank line of the message. On most short messages, this is the blank line between the message body and the sigblock, which means I cannot see the body! However, all the information is there, since I am able to read it without problem using PGP Freeware's own decryption module. Is there a setting I am missing? a fix? Thanx! -dZ. -- Powered by The Bat! v.2.12.00, Hindered by MS Windows 2000 v.5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
On Saturday, February 26, 2005, 9:01:54, John Phillips wrote: Just wondering, as the subject line says, can Bat! correctly handle ultra high speed connections? Or just a coincidence? TB has no problems with fast connections. I'm used to downloading mail with over 200kB/s (or a few MB/s when getting it from the local POP3 server). TB is on the safe side though - it will not issue the delete command until the message is safely stored in the message base (TB first downloads to a temporary directory, and then moves the message to it's bases). This is why the deleting is always a few messages behind, and also why the messages that couldn't be stored in the corrupt message bases stayed on the server. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ Usefulness is inversely proportional to reputation for being useful. -- Greenberg's First Law of Influence Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Thomas Fernandez writes: In the office I also download mails from the LAN at 100MBps. No corruption, even though the filtering (and status importing messages is a couple of seconds slow. No problem. How many filters do you have? I have lots of filters and sometimes the filtering is so slow that it's time to go out and check mail again before it finishes (I have TB set to check mail every 30 seconds on my LAN). -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Storing sent mails automatically in the correct folder...
Hello Thomas! On Saturday, February 26, 2005, 9:08 AM, you wrote: You are right about this, but there is a features request out there wishing for an option to store sent messages in the folder that is active when message is created or something like that. This would improve usability. I agree that it would be desirable for some people, but I'd prefer to keep it optional. I find it useful (for myself) to have all Sent mails in the Sent folder, with copies in a few folders where I have ongoing correspondence with an individual. I frequently reply from the Inbox to individuals or corporations that I'm in touch with only rarely. I prefer to have the Reply in the Sent folder and then manually move both message and reply to the appropriate folder. TB! is working extremely well for my purposes just as it is. I can't praise the New Filter System enough from my own point of view. But I'm a bit more of a hands-on person than most. Even with the rare occurrence of 750 mails on the Message Dispatcher, I still look at each one-by-one before downloading. And I truly do not enjoy threading. I store all my messages chronologically, sorted by none. I don't have to filter against Spam, since (knock on wood) I am offered no Spam at present. Well--there I go again, wandering. I've touched on three separate aspects of The Bat! Still, tangentially, all fit the subject line, so please forgive me. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Hello Anthony, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:11:03 +0100 GMT (26/02/2005, 23:11 +0700 GMT), Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: AGA How many filters do you have? Over a hundred. AGA I have lots of filters and sometimes the filtering is so slow that it's AGA time to go out and check mail again before it finishes (I have TB set to AGA check mail every 30 seconds on my LAN). 30 seconds is very often. What do you need that for? I check every ten minutes, but the first check in the morning downloads 200-300 messages. It used to be a download into one account, but now it is distributed over six accounts, so that is better. -- Cheers, Thomas. How come we choose from just two people for president and 50 for Miss America? Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Thomas Fernandez writes: Over a hundred. I don't have that many, but TB still falls behind on the filters (as far as I can tell). 30 seconds is very often. What do you need that for? It's not often at all on a 100 Mbps network. It costs nothing and I get my e-mail in nearly real time that way. I check every ten minutes, but the first check in the morning downloads 200-300 messages. It used to be a download into one account, but now it is distributed over six accounts, so that is better. I check eight different accounts, but only one is checked every 30 seconds. The others are checked at intervals ranging up to 2 hours, since they receive far less traffic. In any case, if the Connection Center is open when I try to click on anything in a folder into which new mail has been placed, I typically get an address violation fault. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Hello Thomas, A reminder of what Thomas Fernandez on TBUDL typed on: 26 February 2005 at 16:06:34 GMT +0100 TF even though the filtering (and status importing messages TF is a couple of seconds slow. No problem I noticed that, the connection centre flashes up for a split second then I can sit and watch the unread message numbers clock up next to the folders. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Hi Thomas, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, at 22:03:25 [GMT+0700] (which was Sun, 2:03:25 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: In the office I also download mails from the LAN at 100MBps. No corruption, even though the filtering (and status importing messages is a couple of seconds slow. No problem. Just wondering if the alleged problem is caused by a connection to three accounts at the same time? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The best way to accelerate a Mac is at -32.2 ft/s. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Hi Anthony, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, at 17:11:03 [GMT+0100] (which was Sun, 3:11:03 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: (I have TB set to check mail every 30 seconds on my LAN). Do you have trouble with 3.01.33 losing mail on your lan? On our lan at work I had to revert back to 2.12 as version 30.1.33 just kept losing mail (external mail through MDaemon). Internal mail on the lan was no problem. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Car sickness is the feeling you get when the monthly car payment is due.. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
John Phillips writes: Do you have trouble with 3.01.33 losing mail on your lan? Offhand, I can't remember ever losing any e-mail ... even when TB has crashed. When I start it back up, the messages are all there. However, it faults with enormous frequency now (dozens of times a day, practically every other time I click on a folder), and it's pretty annoying, even though it rarely crashes the program and doesn't seem to lose any e-mail. I couldn't recommend the program to most other people with this kind of bug. On our lan at work I had to revert back to 2.12 as version 30.1.33 just kept losing mail (external mail through MDaemon). Internal mail on the lan was no problem. Some of my accounts are on external servers, such as my ISP account and Gmail, but I don't recall losing any mail there, either. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Hello Anthony, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:32:30 +0100 GMT (27/02/2005, 02:32 +0700 GMT), Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: 30 seconds is very often. What do you need that for? AGA It's not often at all on a 100 Mbps network. It costs nothing and I get AGA my e-mail in nearly real time that way. Try checking every 2 minutes and see whether the problem persists. AGA In any case, if the Connection Center is open when I try to click AGA on anything in a folder into which new mail has been placed, I AGA typically get an address violation fault. Can you this AV here? the numbers won't tell me anything, but they might tell somebody something. -- Cheers, Thomas. Er rannte ohne Beute davon, wurde aber von der Ueberwachungskamera noch festgehalten. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can ADSL be too fast for Bat!
Thomas Fernandez writes: Try checking every 2 minutes and see whether the problem persists. OK. Can you this AV here? the numbers won't tell me anything, but they might tell somebody something. I'll try to take a screen shot the next time I see it. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new AV plug-in for TB
B- Thursday, February 24, 2005, 2:04:28 PM, you wrote: David I find it a little odd that Eset/NOD32 isn't on that list. They're David usually pretty fast. Where did you find that info anyway? I'm curious. BRiaNS http://www.hispasec.com/unaaldia/2308/ BRiaNS I hope you know spanish ;) Well, that writeup *does* say that BitDefender, Kaspersky, NOD32v2, Norman, and Panda all caught it on the way in, even though the virus definitions weren't updated specifically for the variant. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
