Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* (??????)
Hello Spike, On Wednesday, August 17, 2005, at 19:33 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: S I'm not sure I am getting what you are referring to. I receive S massive amounts of Russian [EMAIL PROTECTED], and all the Cyrillic characters show S _correctly_ in the subject lines. I am set to 'English Caribbean' S locale. Perhaps it is a header lacking to specify the proper content? All those characters are correctly displayed in message list, preview pane and message view. However try to reply to that message and check what all those cyrillic characters disappear. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.60.01 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Appending replies to message folders
Hallo David, On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:16:45 +0100GMT (18-8-2005, 4:16 +0200, where I live), you wrote: DE In my previous e-mail clients it was possible to keep replies to the DE same folder as the original messages, as a simple option to using a DE separate folder. The Bat puts them in the Sent mail DE folder by default. What's the simplest way to get replies to DE be associated with the original messages in the same folder (useful when using a DE threaded view)? You can do that via a filter (unfortunately you'll need a filter for every folder) -- Groetjes, Roelof I think therefore I am overqualified. The Bat! 3.60.01 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp58VAeWTNeu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Forwarding HTML w/ v 2.12
Hello Roelof Otten, Use alternative forwarding. That will forward the message (as it is) as an attachment. ATM I've got no v2 available, but v3 has alt forw under the specials menu. In V2.12 it is there under Specials, although given my stance on HTML mail (see footer) I haven't, nor do I intend to ever try it! Keyboard shortcut is [Shift+Alt+F5] Any e-mail that comes only as HTML with no text alternative will remain forever unread by me. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Quote for the day: You can love somebody even after knowing him for just a second. - Derek Leveret /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML), especially the new AOL implementation! -- Composed sent using TheBat! v2.12.00, hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600 Service Pack 2 on a Toshiba Satellite P25-S5261 / P4-3.2GHz with 2GB RAM / 200GB HDD (100GB X2) -- Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* ( Ëýèçêå)
Hello Costas, On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:26:14 +0300 GMT (18/08/2005, 00:26 +0700 GMT), Costas Papadopoulos wrote: Looks fine here. Let's see how it appears on the list. CP This is getting weirder. The Greek word that I wrote in the Subject CP line is *not* readble in the Message List window and also not readable CP in the headers above the Preview window. Over here, it is readable in the header pane in both the preview pane and the folder view. Not in the message list, though. I just thought it may be the font I chose for the message list. So I just scrolled back to your original message, and there is readable in the message list as well. Certainly weird. CP What makes it stranger is that when I open the editor to reply to this CP message, the Greek word is quite legible in the Subject line! FWIW, it looks fine in the editor while I'm typing this. -- Cheers, Thomas. Personnel executives of 100 major corporations were asked for stories of unusual behavior by job applicants. 5. Interrupted to phone his therapist for advice on answering specific interview questions. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Appending replies to message folders
Hello Roelof, On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:58:19 +0200 GMT (18/08/2005, 18:58 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: RO You can do that via a filter (unfortunately you'll need a filter for RO every folder) True, and I think it's a shortcoming. Is there an entry in the wishlist that we can support? -- Cheers, Thomas. There are a lot of drunk people about to drive home, so drive as fast as you can. It's harder for drunk people to hit you. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* ( Λύθηκε)
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, August 18, 2005, 10:22 AM, you wrote: CP What makes it stranger is that when I open the editor to reply to this CP message, the Greek word is quite legible in the Subject line! FWIW, it looks fine in the editor while I'm typing this. I sussed this, at least part of it, and reported what I found on TBBETA. The characters are rendered in the View Folder window when using Plain Text View. For me, when I'm in Rich Text View, I see only little boxes for those Greek characters in the View Folder Window. The clue for me was that even Costas reported on this thread that the characters showed okay in the MicroEd window. So, like you, I thought font, Thomas. It sort of is. But I think it's the whole difference between RTV and PTV, so far as the message body is concerned. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.60.01 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* ( Λύθηκε)
Hello Mary, Thursday, August 18, 2005, 6:51:30 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): Hello Thomas! On Thursday, August 18, 2005, 10:22 AM, you wrote: CP What makes it stranger is that when I open the editor to reply to this CP message, the Greek word is quite legible in the Subject line! FWIW, it looks fine in the editor while I'm typing this. I sussed this, at least part of it, and reported what I found on TBBETA. The characters are rendered in the View Folder window when using Plain Text View. For me, when I'm in Rich Text View, I see only little boxes for those Greek characters in the View Folder Window. The clue for me was that even Costas reported on this thread that the characters showed okay in the MicroEd window. So, like you, I thought font, Thomas. It sort of is. But I think it's the whole difference between RTV and PTV, so far as the message body is concerned. I don't know if I can express it correctly, but what I have now in my email folders is one email from Thomas mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: It shows in the headers part of the Message Preview window the Subject line with the Greek word Λύθηκε that I wrote, but in non Greek characters. I also have message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] from Mary where the above Greek word in the Subject line appears correctly in Greek! Do you see my point? I'm sure that neither Thomas nor Mary edited the Subject line. You mustt have both replied to a message. Yet, the Greek word in the Subject line in one case changed from Greek to gibberish and in other it remained in Greek. -- Best regards, Costas Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* ( Ëýèçêå)
Hello Costas, On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:05:10 +0300 GMT (18/08/2005, 23:05 +0700 GMT), Costas Papadopoulos wrote: CP Do you see my point? I'm sure that neither Thomas nor Mary edited the CP Subject line. You mustt have both replied to a message. Yet, the Greek CP word in the Subject line in one case changed from Greek to gibberish CP and in other it remained in Greek. I see your point. I just updated to the latest beta and confirm. I am pretty sure I looked fine in my message before upgrading. I think this may be a beta issue. Are you subscribed to TBBETA? -- Cheers, Thomas. Man: Your place or mine? Woman: Both. You go to yours, and I'll go to mine. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.60.01 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* ( Λύθηκε)
Hello Costas! On Thursday, August 18, 2005, 11:05 AM, you wrote: Do you see my point? I'm sure that neither Thomas nor Mary edited the Subject line. You mustt have both replied to a message. Yet, the Greek word in the Subject line in one case changed from Greek to gibberish and in other it remained in Greek. Perhaps the difference is that I replied to Thomas's Reply to you, whereas Thomas replied to your message. In my direct reply to you, mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] the Greek characters are replaced with those strange little boxes. Would you consider writing something to TBBETA about this whole thing, especially as it relates to the Subject: field? We are both running betas now and I think it's appropriate to discuss it on the beta list as well as here. It's particularly a concern of mine, because 9Val has said they are especially paying attention to testing the headers in the current beta (beta v. 3.60.01 for those who don't know that the latest one is just out, as of yesterday). After that, maybe one of us can put an issue note on the BT and get the ball rolling toward getting it fixed. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.60.01 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* ( Λύθηκε)
Hello Greg! On Thursday, August 18, 2005, 11:28 AM, you wrote: Since I'm using v3.60.01 Beta characters are an issue, I'm cc'ing to TBBETA. Thanks a mil, Greg! I'll follow you there. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.60.01 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* (??????)
Hello Costas, On Thursday, August 18, 2005, at 19:05 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: CP I don't know if I can express it correctly, but what I have now in my CP email folders is one email from Thomas CP mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: It shows in the headers part CP of the Message Preview window the Subject line with the Greek word CP Λύθηκε that I wrote, but in non Greek characters. CP I also have message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] from CP Mary where the above Greek word in the Subject line appears correctly CP in Greek! CP Do you see my point? I'm sure that neither Thomas nor Mary edited the CP Subject line. You mustt have both replied to a message. Yet, the Greek CP word in the Subject line in one case changed from Greek to gibberish CP and in other it remained in Greek. I'll try to explain. First of all you probably already know that there's no such thing as a character in data which is stored in computer. Only numeric bytes are stored. Character sets are used to map those numeric values to according characters. The same numeric value can be mapped to one character in one charset and to another character in another charset. Thomas replied using ISO-8859-1 charset in the subject and those values which are mapped to Greek letters using Greek ISO charset were mapped to some characters of ISO-8859-1 (Western ISO) characters. So you got some Western European characters instead of Greek. If you would save Thomas' message as *.eml message, then with a plain text editor edit it and change ISO-8859-1 to ISO-8859-7 and then open that edited message in The Bat! you'll get correct Greek characters. Mary replied using Greek ISO and all your characters are shown correctly. In my reply you will be able to see just question marks instead of Greek characters because here bug of The Bat! comes into play — characters in message headers which are not in the default windows charset are converted into question marks. -- Edvinas Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* (??????)
Hello Edvinas! On Thursday, August 18, 2005, 11:43 AM, you wrote, in part: Mary replied using Greek ISO and all your characters are shown correctly. In my reply you will be able to see just question marks instead of Greek characters because here bug of The Bat! comes into play — characters in message headers which are not in the default windows charset are converted into question marks. Thank you for confirming that it is a bug. Since all concerned, to this point, are running beta v. 3.60.01, Greg Strong and I are making an effort to move the discussion to TBBETA. Therefore, I'm CCing my reply to you here to TBBETA. Edvinas, thank you so very much, also, for the explanation of how the behaviors have come about. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.60.01 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Keyboard shortcut
Hello all, I am trying to set up a keyboard shortcut for Justify Left. I open the Customize Window, create a new toolbar, add the command (from Message Editor Form in the left column). Then I right click None under the Shortcuts box on the right, and press the key I want (F10). I click Assign and the toolbar is created. The shortcut doesn't work, after all this. I have checked the option for this new toolbar in Customize, and not checked it. Neither works. As a strange byproduct, after doing all this, the right-click menu does not work when composing a message. Has anyone successfully set a new keyboard shortcut? This seems rather a painful procedure; not sure this is an improvement over the previous method. Thank you! -- Best wishes, Pat Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcut
Hello P.Johnson, Thursday, August 18, 2005, 12:31:57 PM, you wrote: PJ I am trying to set up a keyboard shortcut for Justify Left. Do you mean align left? If so Launch your editor, then RMB on space beside the menu at the top and select Customize. Select Container Main Menu (Menu bar). Then go to Format/Alignment /Left. Now go to None and type your shortcut. This should do it. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.60.01 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Keyboard shortcut
Stuart, On Thursday, August 18, 2005, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PJ I am trying to set up a keyboard shortcut for Justify Left. SC Do you mean align left? Yes I do, sorry. SC If so Launch your editor, then RMB on space beside the menu at the top SC and select Customize. Select Container Main Menu (Menu bar). Then go SC to Format/Alignment /Left. Now go to None and type your shortcut. This SC should do it. This did the trick. Thank you! -- Best wishes, Pat A Canadian in Houston :canadaflag: :texasflag: Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* ( Λύθηκε)
Hello Thomas, Thursday, August 18, 2005, 7:28:16 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): I think this may be a beta issue. Are you subscribed to TBBETA? Yes I am. I see that the issue has already been taken over to TBBETA in addition to a posting that I made there earlier, so hopefully it will be picked up by the developers. Otherwise, a Bugtraq entry will be necessary. -- Best regards, Costas Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem of paste from Word to TB 3.51.10
For information, here is the answer to this problem from TB ( Mr PETRARI) : You are right, the copy/paste is not working 100% correctly. Thank you for reporting it! We will try to solve the problem asap. Hope it will be solved quickly... Bye. -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.51.10 BayesIt! 0.8.1 Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Appending replies to message folders
Hallo Thomas, On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:23:16 +0700GMT (18-8-2005, 17:23 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO You can do that via a filter (unfortunately you'll need a filter for RO every folder) TF True, and I think it's a shortcoming. Is there an entry in the TF wishlist that we can support? https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4246 Looks a bit like that. -- Groetjes, Roelof As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing. The Bat! 3.60.01 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpQ6YyCYZxB2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Forwarding HTML w/ v 2.12
Hello Group On Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:03:00 PM, Spike wrote: Any e-mail that comes only as HTML with no text alternative will remain forever unread by me. Is there a way to filter this spawn of Satan so that HTML e-mail goes straight to the junk folder? -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Using TheBat! 3.51.10 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
