Re: Broken URLs
On Monday, August 22, 2005, 8:43:37 PM, Munango-Keewati wrote: I keep getting email messages with URLs broken to more than one line. Clicking on them results in an error. Is there a good way to handle these? I just hit reply, edit the url, use the url, and delete the reply -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Oops!! Power Failure
Hello tbot/tbudl'ers, Apologies for the cross-post, but I have a major issue I wanted to air on BOTH lists, as they are both involved. I have experienced a great loss due to an island-wide power failure that lasted for just over 5 hours yesterday. I had the complete TBOT and TBUDL lists going back about 4 years. The power failure lasted longer than my UPS's and I LOST the entire mail folders for these lists. TB! told me the message bases were corrupted. The folder item 'maintenance' was greyed out, and TB! said to run chkdsk. Well, this is now called SCANDISK under Win-XP (hint, developers!). I ran SCANDISK and it ZEROED OUT the message bases for these two lists, plus about 5 others! I have a backup done about a week ago, but I have lost all the traffic since that date. I guess my question is - Is there any other better procedure I SHOULD have followed in this case? I run my mail on a laptop with an EXTERNAL 100GB HDD for TB! messages exclusively. In this case, the laptop USB port does not provide sufficient current to run the external drive. I run the laptop AND the external drive with associated power brick on a 550VA UPS, which lasts about 4 hours (worst case). The power failure lasted just over 5 hours (THREE lightning strikes in the main generator house within 30 seconds!). The laptop continued to run for the duration (on internal battery) but the external drive did NOT. Mail runs continued to try to run during the time of the outage of the external drive, corrupting the message bases. Unfortunately I was not at home until AFTER the 4 hours life of the UPS battery, so I could do nothing about the issue after the fact. Suggestions?? -- Warmest tropical regards, Spike Quote for this martian cycle: Be more or less specific. /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML), especially the new AOL implementation! -- Composed sent using TheBat! v2.12.00, hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600 Service Pack 2 on a Toshiba Satellite P25-S5261 / P4-3.2GHz with 2GB RAM / 200GB HDD (100GB X2) -- Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
Hello tbot/tbudl'ers, I just ran a mail run and I noticed I am also missing TBBETA as well. :-( [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML), especially the new AOL implementation! -- Composed sent using TheBat! v2.12.00, hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600 Service Pack 2 on a Toshiba Satellite P25-S5261 / P4-3.2GHz with 2GB RAM / 200GB HDD (100GB X2) -- Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
On Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 16:57:52, Spike wrote: TB! told me the message bases were corrupted. The folder item 'maintenance' was greyed out, and TB! said to run chkdsk. Well, this is now called SCANDISK under Win-XP (hint, developers!). No, it isn't. NT-based Windows never included scandisk, they contain chkdsk.exe that works in console (and can run in the bootup environment, before the window station is started up). FYI, the message about chkdsk wasn't even from The Bat, but from Windows itself - it's an usual message when Windows decides there's something wrong with the file you're trying to gain access to. I ran SCANDISK and it ZEROED OUT the message bases for these two lists, plus about 5 others! Scandisk might have been the culprit - it's not a tool meant for NT/2k/XP (though I have a hard time believing it ran at all - unless your disks use FAT32). Zeroing out the files means that the errors were unrecoverable, though I haven't seen this happen on NTFS yet - but it's usual on FAT/FAT32, especially if a file was opened while the computer crashed. Anyway, to prevent this from happening in the future, convert your drives to NTFS. Not only your data will be safer, Windows will also start up faster. To do this, go to Start-Run and run CONVERT C: /FS:NTFS /X You'll have to reboot, and on startup, Windows will convert your drive to NTFS. This can take a while, depending on the number of files on your disk. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ Actually, it only SEEMS as though you mustn't be deceived by appearances. -- The Obvious Law Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
Spike @ 2005-8-23 9:57:52 AM Oops!! Power Failure mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suggestions?? You computer should be configured in such a way that when the UPS reports that it has x percent left, the computer shuts itself down. Now, since you have a laptop, things are slightly different. Also, nightly backups are nice. However, they are much easier to do on an always-on desktop that on a laptop that may be on or off. I normally get around to backing my laptop up every other day. I have made it part of my nightly routine: start backup, visit bathroom, other stuff..., see backup is finished, turn computer off. Hope these suggestions help in the future. Also, if you need it, I have TBUDL going back to 2003-Sept-6. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. At a tire shop in Milwaukee: Invite us to your next blowout. pgpK82YD7EDNF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL Digest, Vol 201, Issue 35
Hi lists, Saturday, August 20, 2005, 12:10:03 PM, you wrote: Hi TBUDL'ers, Bayes Filter plugin v2.0.3 has stopped working. It was working fine, catching pretty much everything (I get like 50 spam msgs/day). After I edited the Whitelist exclusions list, it stopped and no messages are sent to the Junk folder now. I tried uninstall/reinstall (and training) but it didn't work. I believe there might be a bug related to where it stores it's database. The reason I say this is that my whitelist file was on a different drive than the other database files. I checked them and they are all pointing to The Bat! program folder but maybe it got lost somewhere else (registry?). The BayesIt filter that comes with TB! installation package doesn't work for me because it doesn't have an email whitelist feature. -- cheers! alien Alien and all, I had the same problem a while back but I fixed it. You have to be very careful what you include in the whitelist file, especially if it's just text. For instance, I had the line TEXT: luxsci.com in my file. What you need to know is that this plug-in apparently searches *the entire header* for this text. My e-mail provider happens to be luxsci.com. I wanted to whitelist any e-mail coming from that domain. Unfortunately, the plug-in ends up whitelisting *any* e-mails that have luxsci.com *anywhere* in the header. *All* my *own* e-mail messages no matter who they were from had this string in them. Thus, *every single e-mail* I received ended up being whitelisted. The appearance was that the plug-in had stopped working entirely. Because of this I recommend only putting *full* e-mail addresses in the whitelist such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps a bit. This helps a lot! I think it did the trick. You see, I usually whitelist my own e-mail and had them in there. So obviously (now, that is), any e-mail addressed to me would have them somewhere in the header, even if the header were spoofed. Before your information I had gone back to using BayesIt even though it didn't have a feature to whitelist an entire address book. I figured a way to make a bulk inclusion of the e-mails I wanted to whitelist. BayesIt creates a whitelist.txt file in a format which is not too hard to create: = # From :[EMAIL PROTECTED] # From :[EMAIL PROTECTED] # From :[EMAIL PROTECTED] = It took some juggling with Excel but from a text file with all my emails I was able to create the above format. Hope this is useful to someone. I now use both filters successfully. Take that SPAM!!! -- cheers! alien .. Using The Bat! v3.5.26 on .. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayes filter stopped working
Hi Barry, Friday, August 19, 2005, 11:22:20 AM, you wrote: On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:52:07 -0300, alien wrote: The BayesIt filter that comes with TB! installation package doesn't work for me because it doesn't have an email whitelist feature. I think it does, at least mine has. You are right, I should have said that differently. It doesn't work for me because I have over 300 emails to whitelist. The only way to do it is by creating 300 individual whitelist rules one by one. But I figured a way to make a bulk inclusion, see my other post. -- cheers! alien .. Using The Bat! v3.5.26 on .. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
Hello Spike, On Tuesday, August 23, 2005, you wrote: S Suggestions?? Assuming that your bases were corrupted because Windows had not written its cached image of your files to disk when the PC died, you could perhaps disable write caching on the external drive? It's under the disk's properties, then Hardware-Properties-Policies. This will ensure that writes are committed immediately to disk. It's supposed to reduce performance, but I've never noticed any impact when I use it on my second *data* drive. -- Nick Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Broken URLs
Hello Munango-Keewati everyone else, on 23-Aug-2005 at 03:43 you (Munango-Keewati) wrote: I keep getting email messages with URLs broken to more than one line. Clicking on them results in an error. Is there a good way to handle these? Not yet, but... If everyone joins in and adds support to this (almost 1 year old) wishlist item, we may get it some day. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3871 Thanks. :) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Nature is by and large to be found out of doors, a location where, it cannot be argued, there are never enough comfortable chairs. -- Fran Liebowitz Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
On Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 18:30:35, Nick Dutton wrote: Assuming that your bases were corrupted because Windows had not written its cached image of your files to disk when the PC died, you could perhaps disable write caching on the external drive? It's under the disk's properties, then Hardware-Properties-Policies. Write caching is automatically disabled for USB hard drives, unless you specifically enable it in the disk properties in Device manager. Problem is that these USB drives usually use FAT32 filesystem, which will almost certainly zero out files that were opened at the time of power loss. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ Celibacy is not hereditary. -- First Law of Socio-Genetics Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Broken URLs
Alexander, On 23-08-2005 18:59, you [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK If everyone joins in and adds support to this (almost 1 year old) ASK wishlist item, we may get it some day. Already did that back then... :-) -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
Hello Jernej, On Tuesday, August 23, 2005, you wrote: Assuming that your bases were corrupted because Windows had not written its cached image of your files to disk when the PC died, you could perhaps disable write caching on the external drive? It's under the disk's properties, then Hardware-Properties-Policies. JS Write caching is automatically disabled for USB hard drives, unless you JS specifically enable it in the disk properties in Device manager. Problem is JS that these USB drives usually use FAT32 filesystem, which will almost JS certainly zero out files that were opened at the time of power loss. Ooops, that'll teach me to mix it with the experts! -- Nick Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
what's the cheapest way to get a TB license?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallo Fledermäuse, what's the cheapest way to get a TB license? Is there still some old TB! available in some recent computer mag or so, that can be used to upgrade? My girlfriend used to use TB! here on my PC for her mails, but now she got herself a notebook and AFAIK she can't use my TB on that, right? She wants to switch to Opera M2 or Thunderbird and I want to keep or using TB. - -- regards, Jürgen :eu-flag3: :de-bw: :safaribears: She was only a telegrapher's daughter, but she did-it-ah-did-it! Using The Bat! v3.51.10 , Opera v8.02.7680 on WinXP Home v2600 SP2 * PGP key available on request: send mail with subject PGP key request -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDC2XroXyU9LPZSMERAsR+AKC6rD7WSvU3DLlX+6ou4vmgJqvi/wCdGVqv IcCfSw1yeEUUU5479acIiHY= =4XD/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Oops!! Power Failure
Hello Jernej Simoncic, Scandisk might have been the culprit - it's not a tool meant for NT/2k/XP (though I have a hard time believing it ran at all - unless your disks use FAT32). It was the 'tools' error checking under WinXP Pro. After exiting TB!, it allowed me to run the error checking. Zeroing out the files means that the errors were unrecoverable, though I haven't seen this happen on NTFS yet - but it's usual on FAT/FAT32, especially if a file was opened while the computer crashed. The funny thing is, despite giving me the error, I could SEE some messages in the folder window BEFORE running the error checking. Unfortunately there was not room on the disk to make backup copies of the damaged bases. I did not have another external drive available to do this either :-( Anyway, to prevent this from happening in the future, convert your drives to NTFS. Not only your data will be safer, Windows will also start up faster. To do this, go to Start-Run and run CONVERT C: /FS:NTFS /X The drives are ALL NTFS, and D: is external and is NTFS. Still lost the files (zeroed out). You'll have to reboot, and on startup, Windows will convert your drive to NTFS. This can take a while, depending on the number of files on your disk. The error checking did run on the EXTERNAL disk which houses TB! and the mail bases, without rebooting (after exiting TB!). -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Quote for the day: When money talks, nobody notices what grammar it uses. /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML), especially the new AOL implementation! -- Composed sent using TheBat! v2.12.00, hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600 Service Pack 2 on a Toshiba Satellite P25-S5261 / P4-3.2GHz with 2GB RAM / 200GB HDD (100GB X2) -- Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
On 8/23/05, Spike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suggestions?? In addition to what Chris suggested (have computer turn itself off if there's less than, say, 20% left on your UPS), backup more often (ok, also has been suggested) and: leave your mail on the server for a week or so after retrieval. TB has an option to do just that. In case you computer breaks just before the backup you can then re-retrieve all the messages since the last backup. Heck, you could even schedule daily backups in TB! The NTFS suggestion is also good. Journaling file systems rule. Best, Roman -- If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve. Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
Hello Chris, You computer should be configured in such a way that when the UPS reports that it has x percent left, the computer shuts itself down. Now, since you have a laptop, things are slightly different. As my message bases total over 45GB at present, shutting down TB! (all accounts and folders set to compress!) takes just over 6 hours. Not an option, without having something to SHUT DOWN TB! from within Task Manager. This is what I do whenever I need to shut down, other than when I do my weekly shut-down and compress on the weekend. Also, nightly backups are nice. However, they are much easier to do on an always-on desktop that on a laptop that may be on or off. I normally get around to backing my laptop up every other day. I have made it part of my nightly routine: start backup, visit bathroom, other stuff..., see backup is finished, turn computer off. I do weeklies, as these are 100GB drives. Hope these suggestions help in the future. Also, if you need it, I have TBUDL going back to 2003-Sept-6. If there is a way to get it, I'd surely like to reload this, and TBBETA and/or TBOT if I can get it. I will restore the backups I have and see what I am missing. Perhaps some kind soul may have the area where the gap exists and could send me a zipped message base file containing only the missing posts. I have done this in the past by creating a folder and copying only the messages requested to that folder, then zipping it up and sending it to the recipient. The extra problem is I am still running V2.12. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Quote for this point on the timeline: The secret of my influence has always been that it remained secret. /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML), especially the new AOL implementation! -- Composed sent using TheBat! v2.12.00, hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600 Service Pack 2 on a Toshiba Satellite P25-S5261 / P4-3.2GHz with 2GB RAM / 200GB HDD (100GB X2) -- Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Oops!! Power Failure
Hello Nick Dutton, Assuming that your bases were corrupted because Windows had not written its cached image of your files to disk when the PC died, you could perhaps disable write caching on the external drive? It's under the disk's properties, then Hardware-Properties-Policies. This will ensure that writes are committed immediately to disk. It's supposed to reduce performance, but I've never noticed any impact when I use it on my second *data* drive. This was set, but the power was removed during a write to several message bases. They're gone, so it is back to the week old backup. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Quote for this martian cycle: Oxymoron: Ignorance of the law. /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML), especially the new AOL implementation! -- Composed sent using TheBat! v2.12.00, hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600 Service Pack 2 on a Toshiba Satellite P25-S5261 / P4-3.2GHz with 2GB RAM / 200GB HDD (100GB X2) -- Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
On 8/23/05, Spike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As my message bases total over 45GB at present, shutting down TB! (all accounts and folders set to compress!) takes just over 6 hours. Holy cr*p! Have you considered deleting some e-mails or storing attachments in separate directories? How many messages is that? scratching his head, Roman Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Oops!! Power Failure
Hello Roman,
Holy cr*p! Have you considered deleting some e-mails or storing
attachments in separate directories? How many messages is that?
425,345 as of two minutes ago. I'm doing a maximum mail index
capacity test {gryns}. Every e-mail I have sent or received since
1995 +/- a month or so (excluding [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Counting the deleted
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
it would be well over 2,000,000.
Excessive, possibly! Alternatives probably. I do have much of it
archived (in separate) folders, but still online. A lot of it I do
research on a regular basis.
--
Warmest tropical wishes,
Spike
Quote for the month:
COFFEE.EXE Missing - Insert Cup and Press Any Key.
/\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail
\ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML.
XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail!
/ \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML),
especially the new AOL implementation!
--
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by Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600 Service Pack 2
on a Toshiba Satellite P25-S5261 / P4-3.2GHz with
2GB RAM / 200GB HDD (100GB X2)
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Re: Oops!! Power Failure
Spike writes: I have experienced a great loss due to an island-wide power failure that lasted for just over 5 hours yesterday. I had the complete TBOT and TBUDL lists going back about 4 years. The power failure lasted longer than my UPS's and I LOST the entire mail folders for these lists. I've had TB crash on occasion and I've brutally aborted it on occasion as well, but I've never experienced corruption of any of the mail folders. I suppose it might be possible if TB stopped or crashed at some crucial instant while it was updating the folders, but fortunately that doesn't seem to happen very often. TB! told me the message bases were corrupted. The folder item 'maintenance' was greyed out, and TB! said to run chkdsk. Just from a power failure? I ran SCANDISK and it ZEROED OUT the message bases for these two lists, plus about 5 others! The implication is that some of the files used by TB were seriously corrupted. Do you run FAT or NTFS? FAT is very, very bad; you should always run NTFS under XP. I have a backup done about a week ago, but I have lost all the traffic since that date. I guess my question is - Is there any other better procedure I SHOULD have followed in this case? More frequent backups, and if you are running a FAT file system, you should move to NTFS instead, which is _far_ more resistant to file-system corruption. It's easy to hash a FAT partition so badly that you lose practically everything, but NTFS is very difficult to corrupt. In this case, the laptop USB port does not provide sufficient current to run the external drive. I run the laptop AND the external drive with associated power brick on a 550VA UPS, which lasts about 4 hours (worst case). The power failure lasted just over 5 hours (THREE lightning strikes in the main generator house within 30 seconds!). The laptop continued to run for the duration (on internal battery) but the external drive did NOT. Mail runs continued to try to run during the time of the outage of the external drive, corrupting the message bases. Unfortunately I was not at home until AFTER the 4 hours life of the UPS battery, so I could do nothing about the issue after the fact. The UPS must have cut power at exactly the wrong instant if TB managed to corrupt the databases. I suppose you might have write-into cache enabled somewhere but I'm not sure how or if XP implements this. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
Jernej Simoncic writes: Scandisk might have been the culprit - it's not a tool meant for NT/2k/XP (though I have a hard time believing it ran at all - unless your disks use FAT32). Scandisk will run on XP, although it requires exclusive access to the device, so if you run it, XP actually schedules it to run the next time you boot, before the system actually comes up. It takes forever to run, too. Converting to NTFS is a very good idea, in any case. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Where settings are stored and dispatch question
Hello Alexander, I would just like to take a moment to thank you for your help! I learned new about TB! and various email protocols. Sunday, August 21, 2005, 5:38:31 PM, you wrote: ASK Hello Nick OHare everyone else, ASK on 21-Aug-2005 at 21:50 you (Nick OHare) wrote: 2. After downloading messages from a pop server does TB! tell the server to mark the messages as downloaded, or does TB! keep track of this locally? ASK (in addition to the reply from Roelof) ASK POP3 servers don't have that functionality. The server only keeps a list of ASK the messages that are there. ASK Everything else (like remembering which messages you already downloaded, ASK and which are new) is done entirely on the client side. -- Best regards, Nick Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hi Jeff, On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, at 22:49:07 [GMT+0100] (which was Tue, 7:49:07 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: I could post it here but you'd need Smartsync Thanks for the offer, but don't think I could use it. Just to get this right (technically challenged) do I need to firstly install Bat! on the new pc with the rego code, or do I just install without the rego code and the registry entry takes care of this; and then restore the backup? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Error Reading FAT Table - Try Skinny one? (Y/N) Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
Hello Anthony G. Atkielski everyone else, on 23-Aug-2005 at 21:39 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote: Scandisk will run on XP Scandisk is not even part of XP. although it requires exclusive access to the device So does chkdsk if the partition is locked - like the boot partition. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) It's a pity that taxpayers don't read science fiction. They might know about the age they're buying. -- Frederick Pohl Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where settings are stored and dispatch question
Hello Nick OHare everyone else, on 23-Aug-2005 at 21:44 you (Nick OHare) wrote: I would just like to take a moment to thank you for your help! I learned new about TB! and various email protocols. I think this learning will never end when you're using and working with computer. If you (c|d)are to dig a little deeper some day :) you can read this article, which describes POP3 in detail: http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/1725/index.htm -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The divine art of miracles is not an art of suspending the pattern to which events occur, but of feeding new events into that pattern. -- C. S. Lewis, author of the Chronicles of Narnia Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Where settings are stored and dispatch question
Hi Roelof, I just wanted to thank you for your help to my question! Every time I ask a question I learn a little more. Sunday, August 21, 2005, 5:07:03 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Nick, RO On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:50:39 -0400GMT (21-8-2005, 21:50 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: NO 1. Can anyone tell me where the pop and stmp addresses are stored? RO In the account.cfn file. You can edit that via the menu: RO account - properties - transport NO 2. After downloading messages from a pop server does TB! tell the NO server to mark the messages as downloaded, or does TB! keep track of NO this locally? RO TB remembers the downloaded messages in the account.m_d or account.m_r RO file. Both of them have something to do with these kind of things. RO When you don't keep messages on the server for x days, then TB doesn't RO store any message references, as it tells the server to delete the RO downloaded messages. -- Best regards, Nick Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Where settings are stored and dispatch question
Hi Alexander, Thanks for the tip. I will definitely peruse it in the next few days. Hopefully it's readable to a less than technical person. Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 4:19:54 PM, you wrote: ASK Hello Nick OHare everyone else, ASK on 23-Aug-2005 at 21:44 you (Nick OHare) wrote: I would just like to take a moment to thank you for your help! I learned new about TB! and various email protocols. ASK I think this learning will never end when you're using and working with ASK computer. ASK If you (c|d)are to dig a little deeper some day :) you can read ASK this article, which describes POP3 in detail: ASK http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/1725/index.htm -- Best regards, Nick Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: Oops!! Power Failure)
Hallo Roman, On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:42:11 -0400GMT (23-8-2005, 20:42 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RK Holy cr*p! Have you considered deleting some e-mails or storing RK attachments in separate directories? How many messages is that? RK scratching his head, RK Roman RK RK Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: RK http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Roman. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Challenge AND direction! A moderator's job is never ending. :) Merry pgpwyoRY1Z1rV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: Where settings are stored and dispatch question)
Hallo Nick, On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:18:53 -0400GMT (23-8-2005, 23:18 +0200, where I live), you wrote: NO I just wanted to thank you for your help to my question! Every time I NO ask a question I learn a little more. NO Sunday, August 21, 2005, 5:07:03 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Nick, moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Nick. ' This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Decrease moderator unemployment: Post off-topic messages pgpP2XzJIrgtD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem with GPG
Hello tbudl, Sometimes when I send an encrypted message using gpg, I get an error concerning the trust level of the key, ie don't know if it belongs to the addressee. Is there anyway around this. ATM, I have to use GPGshell to encrypt it Sean -- +---+ |VOIP= FreeWorldDial: 689482 VOIPBUSTER: thecivvie | |GPG Key http://thecivvie.fastmail.fm/thecivvie.asc | +---+ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving to anew pc
Hello Group On Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 9:00:14 PM, John wrote: Just to get this right (technically challenged) do I need to firstly install Bat! on the new pc with the rego code, or do I just install without the rego code and the registry entry takes care of this; and then restore the backup? The approach I have used is to just copy the whole TB! directory over to the new PC and run the .reg file (subject to my earlier comments about the path being the same). If you plan to do a backup and restore you really need to follow the other suggestions in this thread rather than do it my way :-) -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Using TheBat! 3.51.10 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with GPG
Good day, Sean. R Sometimes when I send an encrypted message using gpg, I get an error SR concerning the trust level of the key, ie don't know if it belongs SR to the addressee. Is there anyway around this. ATM, I have to use SR GPGshell to encrypt it You need to set trust level for you key. It's very simple: Open GPGkeys, DblClick on you key and ntert word trust. A menu will appear. You can use for you key any applicable trust level. -- WBR, Vladimir 'insider' Prohorov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [email only]|[3MB inbox]|[ICQ #179598229]|[RLU #389152]|[Skype inside_r] The Bat! 3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) w/OTFE @ Windows 2003 (5.2.3790.) [uptime :: 0d 2h 49m] pgpuqWEBr7Rog.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problem with GPG
Hello Vladimir, Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 11:30:41 PM, you wrote: Good day, Sean. R Sometimes when I send an encrypted message using gpg, I get an error SR concerning the trust level of the key, ie don't know if it belongs SR to the addressee. Is there anyway around this. ATM, I have to use SR GPGshell to encrypt it You need to set trust level for you key. It's very simple: Open GPGkeys, DblClick on you key and ntert word trust. A menu will appear. You can use for you key any applicable trust level. Sometimes I want to encrypt without doing this Sean -- +---+ |VOIP= FreeWorldDial: 689482 VOIPBUSTER: thecivvie | |GPG Key http://thecivvie.fastmail.fm/thecivvie.asc | +---+ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
On Tuesday, August 23, 2005, at 01:35 PM, Spike wrote: As my message bases total over 45GB at present, shutting down TB! (all accounts and folders set to compress!) takes just over 6 hours. Not an option, without having something to SHUT DOWN TB! from within Task Manager. This is what I do whenever I need to shut down, other than when I do my weekly shut-down and compress on the weekend. Wow! Why does TB! take so long to shut down. Do you run compress on exit or other similar maintenance operations on exiting TB!? Additionally, wouldn't archiving prevent some of your misery? I know the benefits of keep the messages together, but you seem to be reaching a point of greatly diminishing returns where your message bases are becoming large, unwieldy and pushing hardware and OS integrity to their limits. If you lose data in these situations, it's not surprising and very frequent backups should be the norm. Archiving would greatly assist with more frequent backing up. -- -= Curtis=- Using TB! v3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name =-=-= ...Remember, Subaru spelled backwards is U-R-A-BUS. Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Problem with GPG
Hello Sean, Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 11:33:20 PM, you wrote: Hello Vladimir, Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 11:30:41 PM, you wrote: Good day, Sean. R Sometimes when I send an encrypted message using gpg, I get an error SR concerning the trust level of the key, ie don't know if it belongs SR to the addressee. Is there anyway around this. ATM, I have to use SR GPGshell to encrypt it You need to set trust level for you key. It's very simple: Open GPGkeys, DblClick on you key and ntert word trust. A menu will appear. You can use for you key any applicable trust level. Sometimes I want to encrypt without doing this Sean And TBird with enigma allowes you to do this but I don't know what the keyword for the gpg conf file is Sean -- +---+ |VOIP= FreeWorldDial: 689482 VOIPBUSTER: thecivvie | |GPG Key http://thecivvie.fastmail.fm/thecivvie.asc | +---+ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
Spike @ 2005-8-23 1:35:05 PM Oops!! Power Failure mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If there is a way to get it, I'd surely like to reload this, and TBBETA and/or TBOT if I can get it. I will restore the backups I have and see what I am missing. Perhaps some kind soul may have the area where the gap exists and could send me a zipped message base file containing only the missing posts. I'm sure that if you post the missing dates, someone will send you the messages. I have done this in the past by creating a folder and copying only the messages requested to that folder, then zipping it up and sending it to the recipient. The extra problem is I am still running V2.12. I don't think that the message base format has changed since about version 1.6. If it has, MBX should work. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Airline Food pgpFbd5sJucq7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Broken URLs
On Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 11:59:41 AM, you wrote: If everyone joins in and adds support to this (almost 1 year old) wishlist item, we may get it some day. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3871 Thanks. :) Okay, done. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hey, let's do the limbo rock . . . How low can you go? --Chubby Checker, 1962, in prescient anticipation of the cultural changes that would soon sweep over America. Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Oops!! Power Failure
Hello Anthony G. Atkielski,
Spike writes:
8 Snippage
TB! told me the message bases were corrupted. The folder item
'maintenance' was greyed out, and TB! said to run chkdsk.
Just from a power failure?
Yes, with the program continuing to run for TWO hours with no data
drive.
I ran SCANDISK and it ZEROED OUT the message bases for these two
lists, plus about 5 others!
The implication is that some of the files used by TB were seriously
corrupted. Do you run FAT or NTFS? FAT is very, very bad; you should
always run NTFS under XP.
All drives are NTFS.
I have a backup done about a week ago, but I have lost all the traffic
since that date. I guess my question is - Is there any other better
procedure I SHOULD have followed in this case?
More frequent backups, and if you are running a FAT file system, you
should move to NTFS instead, which is _far_ more resistant to
file-system corruption. It's easy to hash a FAT partition so badly
that you lose practically everything, but NTFS is very difficult to
corrupt.
I backup the entire 100GB drive weekly, but the failure happened a few
hours BEFORE the scheduled Sunday weekly backup. :-(
Again the drives are ALL NTFS.
In this case, the laptop USB port does not provide sufficient
current to run the external drive. I run the laptop AND the external
drive with associated power brick on a 550VA UPS, which lasts about
4 hours (worst case). The power failure lasted just over 5 hours
(THREE lightning strikes in the main generator house within 30
seconds!). The laptop continued to run for the duration (on internal
battery) but the external drive did NOT. Mail runs continued to try
to run during the time of the outage of the external drive,
corrupting the message bases. Unfortunately I was not at home until
AFTER the 4 hours life of the UPS battery, so I could do nothing
about the issue after the fact.
The UPS must have cut power at exactly the wrong instant if TB managed
to corrupt the databases. I suppose you might have write-into cache
enabled somewhere but I'm not sure how or if XP implements this.
The UPS cut power ONLY to the data drive while TB was pulling about
6MB of mail. The laptop continued to run (on its internal battery)
and attempted pull mail for another TWO HOURS with no data drive. I
wasn't home to intervene, and in fact did not know about the outage
until WAY too late :-(
What's that cute term for interesting tagline coincidences? {See
Below}
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Re: Oops!! Power Failure
Alexander S. Kunz writes: Scandisk is not even part of XP. Well, whatever it's called now ... I haven't run it in quite some time. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oops!! Power Failure
Spike writes: I backup the entire 100GB drive weekly, but the failure happened a few hours BEFORE the scheduled Sunday weekly backup. :-( Well, the only real protection against this sort of thing is more frequent backups. Otherwise, obviously you risk losing whatever you've done since the last backup. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
