Re: Line wrapping in plain text (Windows) editor
Alexander S. Kunz: on 25-Dez-2005 at 18:33 you (Luca) wrote: Since you insist No, I do not insist. I tried to help by providing a workaround for the problem you have. If I say I want to be able to hit return once and you say then hit it twice, that's not what I'd call a workaround. Obviously, it's not only a one-key difference. We're talking of a typing syndrome. TB's MicroEd (any mode) requires a heavy modification of deeply rooted and continuously practised typing habits. I could agree with you if TB's way were common among all the other programs, or if I could use TB as my sole and only editor, but it isn't. I can't stop using other programs and editors, and I can't be hunted for the rest of my life by the alt-l/double return syndrome at every line I write, both here and there, in a way and its opposit. I think we have a little bit of a misunderstanding here. I don't *want* anything. ... All I'm saying is that *if* the WinEd continues to behave like it does (currently), format-flowed should be implemented correctly. So, you do want something, at least something to be done just in case. And that something, the way you're proposing it, would prevent other's people needings to be fulfilled, since TB is very unlinkely going to get a fourth editor. Usually, paragraphs are separated with one return and, possibly, an indent. I assume we're still talking about email :-) And I assume I'm talking with people who doesn't write only email and only with TB. The keyword here is typing habits, as I wrote above. See, you're minimizing the most repelling obstacle that people find on their way starting to use TB coming from other programs. It's not a matter of getting used to a new program. It comes to a TB or not TB, that's the question. Only a correct implementation of format-flowed (as in any word processor) I don't want format flowed because in email - unlike in any word processor format - you can't specify line lenght as a paragraph attribute. We'll ever need hard returns at the end of each line to obtain wysiwyg in email. -- Luca - e-mail: p.stevens at libero.it Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Line wrapping in plain text (Windows) editor
Hello Luca, please, go elsewhere and stop bothering me with your endless rants. You don't want to understand, do you? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) To witness suffering and do nothing is betrayal. -- Patrick Douglas Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Roguemoticons only good if others use the bat?
Hello Darrin everyone else, on 26-Dez-2005 at 08:13 you (Darrin) wrote: If I use Roguemoticons, it wouldnt be of much use other than with other bat users. Is that a correct assumption? Other email program may allow it to add a photo to the address book. You could say that the roguemoticons are nothing but a collection of address book photos. The only advantage is that you don't need an address book entry for each and every person which supplied a roguemoticon. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Stay young by hanging on to your dreams. There is not much to do but bury a man when the last of his dreams is dead. -- Wilfred Peterson Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Line wrapping in plain text (Windows) editor
Hello Luca, On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:40:28 +0100 GMT (26/12/2005, 17:40 +0700 GMT), Luca wrote: L Obviously, it's not only a one-key difference. We're talking of a typing L syndrome. TB's MicroEd (any mode) requires a heavy modification of deeply L rooted and continuously practised typing habits. I could agree with you if L TB's way were common among all the other programs, or if I could use TB as my L sole and only editor, but it isn't. Well, I for one like the way MicroEd behaves. However, I understand that you want an editor that behaves like Word, is that correct? I would think that the Windows Editor does that, but apparently not. Handing in a wish to the wishlist is the way to go. L I can't stop using other programs and editors, and I can't be hunted for the L rest of my life by the alt-l/double return syndrome at every line I write, L both here and there, in a way and its opposit. That's correct. There has been a request to make a stand-alone version of MicroEd for those who want to use it outside of TB as well. L So, you do want something, at least something to be done just in case. L And that something, the way you're proposing it, would prevent other's L people needings to be fulfilled, since TB is very unlinkely going to get L a fourth editor. You could be right, I also don't think there will be a fourth editor. However, there was a wish once that one should be able to use any external editor of choice, and some would want to use ViM. I don't know what became of that wish. -- Cheers, Thomas. FLATULANCE: Emergency vehicle that picks you up when you've been run over by a steam roller http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Roguemoticons only good if others use the bat?
Hello Ben, Sunday, December 25, 2005, 11:32:59 PM, you wrote: BA Frankly yes. But then we are the only beautiful mail users. So perhaps BA you should be thankful for that. Basically I don't know of another BA mail program with that functionallity. Ok, Ill probably do it anyway. I tried it a long time ago but didnt mess with it much. Ill give it another go. Thanks -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Marten, Saturday, December 24, 2005, 12:33:16 AM, you wrote: Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? I have two accounts but have settled to only using spam filtering on the other one. This account doesn't get any spam at all. I don't trust blacklists, so it's bayesian filtering for me. I just whish there was any implementation that really works satisfactory. Bayesit - only some versions work at all and after a while they quit to - and tb! with them. Bayesfilter - crashed during training Spampal with bayesian plugin - works for a while then crashes Popfle - Uses too much cpu even when idle and when it doesn't get enough bandwidth during mail check it crashes causing the mailbox to lock Spambayes - crashed during training Spamhilator - doesn't really filter much at all K9 - This would be ideal: Small, light on resources, doesn't crash. Unfortunately it is buggy and to make things worse it seems to be unmaintained. The developer has disappeared (at least that was the case last time I checked). Two of the really really bad bugs affect tagging of messages found to be spam: One is adding the header to the body area of a message, the workaround beeing to have tb! search the whole message and not just the header area, slowing the filtering process down. For the second there is no workaround cause to some messages K9 doesn't add the header at all. So what I'm I using? K9. At least it doesn't crash and it's certainly better than nothing. I just filter on the whole message source and live with those messages it doesn't tag in addition to those it doesn't catch. But can I recommend it? Not really. Not without a but certainly. -- Cheerio, Andre The Bat! v2.12 on WinXP Home sp2 Plugins: avast! v4.6 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Andre Wichartz everyone else, on 26-Dez-2005 at 12:53 you (Andre Wichartz) wrote: Two of the really really bad bugs affect tagging of messages found to be spam: One is adding the header to the body area of a message, the workaround beeing to have tb! search the whole message and not just the header area, slowing the filtering process down. I've created a custom header field X-Text-Classification in TB and have the filter in TB look if that very header contains the word spam. This works reliably ever since I started using K9 (I switched to K9 from PopFile, which uses the same X-Text-Classification header). For the second there is no workaround cause to some messages K9 doesn't add the header at all. Odd. I've never had that problem. The only thing I've noticed is that K9 seems to stumble over newer headers like the very lengthy domainkeys - it did not affect my spam filtering however; the messages are just incorrectly displayed in K9's list of recent messages. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Freedom is not an essential and basic condition for the growth of science; the care and diligence of government authorities are the most important conditions for this development. -- Vasili N. Tatishchev Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 at 23:33:16 +, Marten wrote: Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? Popfile. While I note that Andre and Alexander appear to have had problems with CPU usage and/or speed with Popfile, I have not noticed any such problems. Popfile has the advantage that it allows me to set up multiple categories, so I have not only spam, but also two different work categories and a personal category -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Ian, Friday, December 23, 2005, 3:37:30 PM, you wrote: IAW I use Mailwasher Pro. It does not work inside The Bat!, but IAW pre-processes it and then passes the filtered messages on to The Bat! IAW to receive. Im trying out mailwasher pro right now for the heck of it. It has some nice features. Maybe Im doing something wrong here, but it seems I have to launch mailwasher pro first, go through and weed out spam vs non spam then launch my email program. Is that correct? Thats a pain I think if thats how its done. Again, I just started trying it out and maybe Im not doing it correctly. -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Roguemoticons only good if others use the bat?
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:32:59 +, Ben wrote: Frankly yes. But then we are the only beautiful mail users. So perhaps you should be thankful for that. lol... It is so good that TB allows us to feed and pamper ourselves! :) -- steverio TB!v3.64.01 Christmas Edition TBV!v3.64 Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 OTFE Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
