Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas,

M We are in a free world, at least that's what we like to think :) So, do
M as you please.

 I do. I'm sure you do, too. I just wanted to let you know why I never
 click on tinyurls, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So, if you want
 people to click on the URLs you send (otherwise you wouldn't include
 them in your mail), just post the full URL. It's easier and faster for
 you too.

I don't trust URLs, but I trust on people I know. If I get a message
with URLs from someone I know, I will click on them whether they are
long, short, tiny or (perhaps) hidden by HTML (you know, 'click HERE').
I would have trusted on any links posted by Maxim. I don't know if I
would trust any posted by you though ;-)

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RE: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 2:01:40 AM, you wrote:


 The minimum I do for *every* URL before I click on it is look at the
 domain. If you don't want to send the full URL (why not?), it's really
 up to you whether or not you want to get your message accross, now
 that you know the tinyurl won't be clicked on. BTW, if you cp the
 full URL, it will be much faster for you than creating a tinyurl. Why
 do you go through all the trouble obscuring the URL you want the
 reader to click on?


one can have preview links now on tinyurl

maybe that's made for you.

like this one here.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/32rwwg


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TB!, PGP and Vista

2007-01-31 Thread Martin Sebald
Hi all,

is there any freeware PGP solution for Vista? PGP Freeware 6.5.8 does not
work anymore... :-(

Oh, it should also work for Windows Server 2003 R2... ;-)

Thanks for your help!

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Re: TB!, PGP and Vista

2007-01-31 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Martin,

Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 3:58:25 PM, you wrote:

MS is there any freeware PGP solution for Vista? PGP Freeware 6.5.8 does not
MS work anymore... :-(

Vista is so safe that you do not need it anymore!  :-)

Sorry, I can't help you.
I suppose you need it for other things besides email?

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Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Perry Nelson
Hi Thomas,

Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 7:55:28 PM, you wrote:

TF That's so inconvenient. Why go through all the trouble and create a
TF tinyurl in the first place, if it is much more convenient for the
TF sender and the receiver to just cp the full URL into the mail?

  Excessively long URLs break due to word wrap for users of Outlook
  or Outlook Express, and even those of them sophisticated enough to
  understand why the link doesn't work must go to the trouble to paste
  it together again to follow the link. So in such cases it is not more
  convenient to just cp the full URL into the mail.

  That's not a problem for those of us who use The Bat!, of course, but
  not everybody uses The Bat!

  I understand that you don't use it or want to use it. That is your
  prerogative. As I said in my first message, I am not trying to change
  your opinion or behavior.

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Re: TB!, PGP and Vista

2007-01-31 Thread Martin Sebald
Hi Mark!

 is there any freeware PGP solution for Vista? PGP Freeware 6.5.8 does
 not work anymore... :-( 
 Vista is so safe that you do not need it anymore!  :-)

*fg*

But I miss comments about Windows Server 2003 R2. ;-)

 I suppose you need it for other things besides email?

Actually no. Or let me say so: Not really. Most, which means about 99,9% I
use PGP for signing/encrypting/decrypting mails.

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Re: TB!, PGP and Vista

2007-01-31 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Martin,

Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 4:54:05 PM, you wrote:

MS Actually no. Or let me say so: Not really. Most, which means about 99,9% I
MS use PGP for signing/encrypting/decrypting mails.

How about TB!'s internal OpenPGP?

I only tried that out (more less than more) when I started using TB!

Does that still work (and if so: in Vista)?

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Re: Blue Lines

2007-01-31 Thread Feli Wilcke
Hello Thomas,

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:50:05 +0700GMT Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF But asking Ritlabs to make the HTML editor not add this unwanted
TF line should be the better solution. It's certainly a TB shortcoming,
TF but I think they added this blue line on purpose, because they want to
TF deter users from replying in HTML. ;-)

Outlook also adds a blue line at the left side of a replied mail,
although is is much thinner than the blue bar in TB.

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FORWARDING not forwarding attached pictures only .HTML

2007-01-31 Thread alists
Hello  group...

I'm sure it is some setting, but when I forward a message that
has attachments (HTML  GIF's) on the
christmas edition, only the HTML is attached in the forwarded
message.. I can't for the life of me find any setting that would
do that. Any ideas? thanks!

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Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU,

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:23:59 +0100 GMT (31/01/2007, 18:23 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

M I don't trust URLs, but I trust on people I know. If I get a message
M with URLs from someone I know, I will click on them whether they are
M long, short, tiny or (perhaps) hidden by HTML (you know, 'click HERE').
M I would have trusted on any links posted by Maxim. I don't know if I
M would trust any posted by you though ;-)

Maxim didn't post tinyurls, but that's not your point.

While this is getting OT, I wonder why you go through all the trouble
to create a tinyurl in the first place. ;-)

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Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jurgen,

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:04:03 +0100 GMT (31/01/2007, 21:04 +0700 GMT),
Jurgen Haug wrote:

JH one can have preview links now on tinyurl

JH maybe that's made for you.

JH like this one here.
JH http://preview.tinyurl.com/32rwwg

If people were posting the preview like you did, it would be somewhat
better. But why? Just the full URL is one click less for me, and a lot
of work less for you.

I just don't get the purpose of tinyurl. Should we move this to TBOT?

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Re: Blue Lines

2007-01-31 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 11:32:12 AM, Feli Wilcke wrote:

 Outlook also adds a blue line at the left side of a replied mail,
 although is is much thinner than the blue bar in TB.

It has always seemed to me (on the relatively rare occasions when I'm
having to deal with HTML) that the real problem was not the blue line
itself but it's massive nature. If it were nice and thin as in other
clients, it would be ok.


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Re: Blue Lines

2007-01-31 Thread Peter Meyns
Feli Wilcke schrieb:

 On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:50:05 +0700GMT Thomas Fernandez wrote:
 
 TF But asking Ritlabs to make the HTML editor not add this unwanted
 TF line should be the better solution. It's certainly a TB shortcoming,
 TF but I think they added this blue line on purpose, because they want to
 TF deter users from replying in HTML. ;-)
 
 Outlook also adds a blue line at the left side of a replied mail,
 although is is much thinner than the blue bar in TB.

So does Mozilla Thunderbird, even on both sides of the text and it adds
lines of different colors to other quote levels. I cannot say that I
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Re: FORWARDING not forwarding attached pictures only .HTML

2007-01-31 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello alists,

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:34:58 -0800 GMT (01/02/2007, 00:34 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

awc I'm sure it is some setting, but when I forward a message that
awc has attachments (HTML  GIF's) on the
awc christmas edition, only the HTML is attached in the forwarded
awc message.. I can't for the life of me find any setting that would
awc do that. Any ideas? thanks!

I cannot confirm that. Do you forward as MIME or not?

Account / Properties / Templates / Forward

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RE: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 6:45:33 PM, you wrote:


 On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:04:03 +0100 GMT (31/01/2007, 21:04 +0700 GMT),
 Jurgen Haug wrote:

JH one can have preview links now on tinyurl

JH maybe that's made for you.

JH like this one here.
JH http://preview.tinyurl.com/32rwwg

 If people were posting the preview like you did, it would be somewhat
 better. But why? Just the full URL is one click less for me, and a lot
 of work less for you.

doesn't make much sense in an eMail environment! But it does for other 
purposes. I am using it at work.



 I just don't get the purpose of tinyurl. Should we move this to TBOT?

oh? I thought we took over this place and made it TBOT :-P
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Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Perry,

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:32:46 -0500 GMT (31/01/2007, 22:32 +0700 GMT),
Perry Nelson wrote:

PN   Excessively long URLs break due to word wrap for users of Outlook
PN   or Outlook Express, and even those of them sophisticated enough to
PN   understand why the link doesn't work must go to the trouble to paste
PN   it together again to follow the link. So in such cases it is not more
PN   convenient to just cp the full URL into the mail.

PN   That's not a problem for those of us who use The Bat!, of course, but
PN   not everybody uses The Bat!

For those on this list using OL/OE (are there many anyway?), I don't
feel sorry if they have this problem. Should I?

However, I suggested to post both the tinyurl (if you want to) as well
as the full URL.

PN   I understand that you don't use it or want to use it. That is your
PN   prerogative. As I said in my first message, I am not trying to change
PN   your opinion or behavior.

Funny though that this has become such a long thread in a TB!-related
UDL. Never mind, I have made my point and it is now up to the
individual posters to decide how they want to present any links.

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Re: Blue Lines

2007-01-31 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Feli,

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:32:12 +0100 GMT (01/02/2007, 00:32 +0700 GMT),
Feli Wilcke wrote:

FW Outlook also adds a blue line at the left side of a replied mail,
FW although is is much thinner than the blue bar in TB.

I never noticed that. In the office, Eudora is company policy (I have
an exception), and there is no blue line.

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Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas,

 Maxim didn't post tinyurls, but that's not your point.

I said I would have trusted

 While this is getting OT, I wonder why you go through all the trouble
 to create a tinyurl in the first place. ;-)

As a courtesy to my correspondents who don't use TB and would get
wrapped URLs otherwise.

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Re: Blue Lines

2007-01-31 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Alexander,

on Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:20:20 +0100GMT (31.01.2007, 19:20 +0100GMT here),
you wrote:

ASK on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 at 18:52 you (Peter Meyns) wrote:

 So does Mozilla Thunderbird, even on both sides of the text and it
 adds lines of different colors to other quote levels. I cannot say
 that I like it... :(

ASK I thought its only an on-screen rendering in Thunderbird that you can
ASK turn on and off, or is it permanent with HTML mails?

It may very well be that it can be turned off. I haven't dug too deep
into TBird's settings yet - I only installed my actual Linux partition
with Kanotix a few days ago. I turned off the default sending of HTML
though. :))

And now, with the new beta of The Bat! present, I'm even more in a
conflict which OS I should start... ;-)

I'll check the blue lines next time I run TBird. :)

For The Bat! I most definitely wish them to be optional, when there's
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Re: Setting up filters

2007-01-31 Thread Chris W .

Joe User @ 2007-1-30 11:41:29 PM
Setting up filters mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I would like to filter email with numbers for user names to my trash
 (anti-spam effort). For example:

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   What would be the correct syntax for this?

Sender match (^\d+|\d+)@

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Forwarding

2007-01-31 Thread Mike Greenbaum

I have a Forward set up for a group as such:

%FROM=Mike Greenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]

%TEXT   

I've also tried the above with %QUOTES and the same thing happens.

When I click on Forward, the old message is retained UNTIL I put in the name of 
a person from the group. Then the message disappears.

I do not have any specific personal properties set for Forward, and the people 
are not duplicated in my address book.

Any idea why on a Forward, the message I'm trying to forward gets deleted?

The Forward setting for the Account is simply %TEXT

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Re: Forwarding

2007-01-31 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mike,

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:29:12 -0700GMT (31-1-2007, 20:29 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

MG I have a Forward set up for a group as such:

MG %FROM=Mike Greenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MG %TEXT   

I copied this into the properties of one of my groups.

MG When I click on Forward, the old message is retained UNTIL I put
MG in the name of a person from the group. Then the message disappears.

When I click on forward, my account forwarding template is used, until
I select a recipient from the specific group, in that case your
template appears. Just as I expected.

MG I do not have any specific personal properties set for Forward,
MG and the people are not duplicated in my address book.

Do those persons appear in other groups with an empty forwarding
template? What happens when you address the whole group with


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Filtering on [] in subject string

2007-01-31 Thread rich gregory
Hello Bat-Folk!

I have a spam filter meant to trigger if a subject line contains [SPAM].

It seems as though the filter is ignoring the brackets though as any
message with SPAM anywhere in the subject line is being sent to the spam
folder.


Must I do something special to alert the filtering tools to not ignore
the brackets?

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Re: Filtering on [] in subject string

2007-01-31 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 3:05:23 PM, rich gregory wrote:

 Must I do something special to alert the filtering tools to not
 ignore the brackets?

just a guess, try enclosing [spam]  in ' eg '[spam]'


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Archiving old emails

2007-01-31 Thread REZK945
Hi,
I am trying to find a solution to backup/archive old emails. My
intention is to put them out of TheBat Voyager to save space on my USB
memory stick. Frequently I get emails with large attachments, so I would
like to archive (even triggered manually if necessary) old mails, e.g. older
than 1 year, on CD or somewhere similar. The usual archiving and
backup tasks within TheBat/Voyager probably work, but they need to import the 
files back to
TheBat/Voyager if I need to search within them.
My wish is to be able to search the archives without importing so that I
do not need to blow up my Voyager/mail directory again.

Is there any possibility for such an archiving idea? If not, what else
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Re: Archiving old emails

2007-01-31 Thread Perry Nelson
Hi REZK945,

Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 6:22:12 PM, you wrote:

Rgd Is there any possibility for such an archiving idea?

  You might want to take a look at this link as a possibility ...

  http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Archive+Folders

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TBUDL Mission Statement

2007-01-31 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
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Set up a filter for incoming mail which looks for:

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It's  nice to see your contact's face in the header ... and for them
to  see  yours. That's what roguemoticons are all about. If you wish
to add yourself, then you'll need to visit this site
http://www.pcwize.com/thebat
What  this  place  will  do  for  you  is  to allow you to create an
account,  add  your  image  and  then  let  you download a .ZIP file
containing  all  the  files  you'll  need to be able so see people's
faces  without  having  to  send  or  receive any real images in any
messages.

To trigger the roguemoticon display in the message header for anyone
reading  your  message  using  TB,  you have the choice of using the
X-Rogue: header or a signature trigger.

  How to use a signature trigger
The  image  is  triggered  by  a 'Handle' you've defined in your
account,  and  when  that  Handle  appears  in a message it gets
replaced on the client side by the corresponding image. A handle
could  look  like anything you want it to look like pretty much.
For example:
:Leif_Gregory:
Just add this text to your standard message signature block.

  How to create the X-Rogue: header
You can do that with this macro:
%SetHeader('X-Rogue',':your_handle:')%-  in  your  templates for
this and other tb-lists.
However, the macro alone won't do the trick.
TB'll  say: 'Hey, that's not any RFC822 header I know about', so
you'll have to define it as such:
Options  ..  Preferences .. Messages .. Message headers .. 'Add'

Now you'll get a pop-up to define the header

  Display as: X-Rogue (or whatever, it isn't very important)
  RFC header: X-Rogue
  Uncheck: 'This field is an address list' (because it isn't)
  Check: 'Allow this field to be edited in the message editor'
  Uncheck:  'Display  this  field  in the scrollable part of the
  header pane'

Now you're done and every TB-user can see your lovable face when
they've installed the roguemoticons.

For you to see peoples faces:

  To get this going, you should be running TB! v2.12 or later. Fetch
  the following file:
  http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/smileys/rogues.zip

  Unzip it to the 'Images' directory that's in your TB! installation
  directory: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Images
  You  should  now  have a directory called 'rogues' containing many
  images  as well as the file 'rogues.msl' in your Images directory.
  Go into the preferences, and bring up the View/Editor options. Now
  hit  Shift-CTRL-Alt-T  while  TB!  is in focus. This will re-fetch
  TB!'s smiley set from disk and load the new images.


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Re[2]: Forwarding

2007-01-31 Thread Mike Greenbaum
 Do those persons appear in other groups with an empty forwarding template? 
 What happens when you address the whole group with

Roelof,

Right you are again! The person was in another group with a different 
forwarding template. Once I changed that one, the forward worked correctly.

That brings up a second question. I have about 15 groups under one address book 
folder, and I'd like to have them all have the same templates.

Must I change each group one at a time or is there a way to make changes to all 
the groups at once?

The account level won't work because there are other address book folders which 
I need to have different templates.

Thanks.


-- 
Mike




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Re: Archiving old emails

2007-01-31 Thread REZK945
Hi Perry,


 Hi REZK945,
 Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 6:22:12 PM, you wrote:

Rgd Is there any possibility for such an archiving idea?

   You might want to take a look at this link as a possibility ...

 http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Archive+Folders

This is indeed a nice trick. But one important point of my
requirements is missing: The memory usage is more increased instead of
being decreased. I want the archived emails out of the TheBat
directory.
What I want is to outsource old emails to reduce the (USB) disk
usage from about 1GB down to 600MB for example. Or to generally limit
the disk usage to 500MB or whatsoever.
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Harald



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Re[2]: FORWARDING not forwarding attached pictures only .HTML

2007-01-31 Thread alists
Hello Thomas,


TF awc I'm sure it is some setting, but when I forward a message that
TF awc has attachments (HTML  GIF's) on the
TF awc christmas edition, only the HTML is attached in the forwarded
TF awc message.. I can't for the life of me find any setting that would
TF awc do that. Any ideas? thanks!

TF I cannot confirm that. Do you forward as MIME or not?

It was not selected. I selected it, but still NOTHING attaches to
the forwarded message. I've been using TB for 5 years now and
have never seen this behavior.

hummm

Laura




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