How do different programs process lines/wrapping ?
Many of you will begin to think I'm obsessed with this issue, but I'm curious. How do email programs understand line wrapping, carriage returns, etc.? When I write a paragraph, how does it get sent if I use plain text? Do most programs split the paragraph into actual lines as soon as it is sent? Or can it be sent as one long line, and then the email client wraps it upon receipt? Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:54:34 +0700, Thomas Fernandez thomas.gm...@gmx.net wrote: Hello Bill, On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:25:01 -0700 GMT (28/Aug/09, 13:25 PM +0700 GMT), Bill McQuillan wrote: I didn't even know that, but it will make Bill happy. :-) BM It might if v2.11 had such an option! :-) Ah, forgot about your version number. Sorry. BM Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the Windows editor. And BM for the issue of not wrapping the final output when I send, when I am BM finished editing and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the MicroEd, BM apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to Windows and send it! Works for me. BM BM In fact I did just that with this message! Wow, that's a new way of taking the best of both editors! Have your cake and eat it too? No offense, but that is ridiculous. I'd prefer the developers to fix any inconsistencies/problems with the editors so such things don't need to take place. But I seem to be alone on that. Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:29:11 -0700, Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com wrote: BTW, my Windows editor seems to color quoted text appropriately. Thank you for your explanation. It was very helpful and I appreciate it. I'm a little more calm about it. i guess I just ahve to decide which editor I want to use. For the Windows editor that you mentioned above, try this and tell me if it works: --start a new email message (make sure it's in the Windows editor mode) --copy a paragraph of text from somewhere else (internet, etc.) --Go back to the email, and right-click and paste as quotation You will see that the even thought the text gets pasted with the symbol, the color doesn't automatically change to the quote color setting. Now if you do the same in Microed, the color changes immediately (very nice). If it were not for that and other other similar coloring issues, I'd probably just use teh Windows editor. But you're explanation helps me appreciate the Microed more. Maybe I'll just use double-enter to separate my paragraphs, and that will be my compromise. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:49:07 +0100, Marck D Pearlstone ma...@silverstones.com wrote: Dear Ac, @24-Aug-2009, 21:11 -0700 (25-Aug 05:11 here) AC [A] in mid:t5o695t0hjcsj5ikdtgls8h3hbcv4h1...@4ax.com said: ... snip A All I want to do is to have automatic wrapping and to be able to press A the Enter key ONCE and start a new line. I just don't understand why A the developers and users are opposed to this. There is a very simple explanation. In microed, you are editing plain text ready to send. That's what it does and what it was always designed to do. There is no character in the ASCII set used for microed that can be used as an 'un-wrappable end of line'. A CR/LF is at the end of every visible line. Only 2 in a row can denote an unwrappable line. In autoformat, it is 2 CR/LFs that show when to stop recalculating the position of the embedded CR/LFs within a paragraph. So AC, the opposition you encounter to this idea is not a pedantic or resistive one, but entirely a technical one. Thank you for the response, it is informative and helpful. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
In a thread from a few days back, I was frustrated with wrapping in the Bat and had a few questions. The answers i recieved helped me identify exactly what feature I would like to see added to the Bat and MicroEd in particular. Can we have a checkbox that will allow single-carriage returns with auto-format enabled? Why do I want this? So that wrapping will work in MicroEd the way most Windows users are used to. I will go through the details and the common responses that I expect from this group. Reaction #1 Why don't you just use the Windows editor? Well, I like the MicroEd because of the way it autmoatically colors things according to your color preferences. For example, consider quoted text: In Microed, if I use the right-click option to paste as quotation, then the pasted text will automatically be colored with whatever the color setting for quotes is. Also, if I remove the symbol from the beginning of a line, the text instantly goes back to the normal color. This is not the case with the Windows editor. When you paste as quotation in the Windows editor, it does not become automatically colored. Also, if you remove the symbol, the color doesn't change. So that's why I prefer Microed. But the single line return auto-format issue prevents me from liking it completely. It would be nice if the Windows coloring things were automatic. Or if single carriage returns were allowed in Microed with auto-format turned on. I still don't think it would be that big of a deal to add an option for allow single carriage return. Reaction #2 Just press 'Alt-L' with auto-format turned off to fix wrapping issues. I understand that I can use the Alt-L shortcut. But i shouldn't have to. Again, all I'm asking for is a simple option--a checkbox. Why should I have to press Alt-L every time I edit a paragraph, which will happen multiple times a day. Reaction #3 That's just the way MicroEd has always been and we're not going to change it. This is actually the response I get from the developers. I have never recieved a response like this for feature requests for any software, and i find it strange. It's puzzling because I am not asking for any features or characterisitics to be removed from Microed, just ADD a little feature. So all users who prefer it like it currently is will not be affected. I ask again and again, what is the big deal? Why would any of you oppose such an addition? It makes no sens for other users to say they don't want the feature added because IT DOESNT CHANGE ANYTHING. All I want to do is to have automatic wrapping and to be able to press the Enter key ONCE and start a new line. I just don't understand why the developers and users are opposed to this. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:46:58 +0200, Roelof Otten ro...@otten.tv wrote: A Question #2: A What does Auto-Format do? Please be detailed, I don't get it. I don't know everything. ;-) It doesn't like new lines, when hit enter and continue typing it continues on the same line. To really start a new line you've got to start a new paragraph: hit enter twice so you've got an empty line in between. When you start typing in the middle of some text it keeps on wrapping everything correctly instead of what you experience with question 5. Thanks for the response (thanks to everyone else also). Now you've hit on the issue that I really want to resolve. Why can't the developers add an extra option (checkbox) so that you don't have to press enter twice to start a new line? Why can't I start a new line by pressing it once? All it would be is a simple little option, and it takes nothing away from the other features, it just adds to it. When I asked for this as a support ticket, the answer I got was this: Hello, I am sorry to say, but this is not a bug, it's a feature of MicroEd. Auto-Format works that way for years and we do not intend to change that... I don't quite understand why they would refuse to add an option for this. Like I said, it doesn't take anything away. It just adds a little feature to get rid of the nuisance of pressing enter twice. Often times in an email, I have to make lists lik this: item1 item2 item3 But I can't do it without either turning auto-format off or pressing enter twice and then going back and deleting the extra lines. I mean, is it really a big deal to add that option? i don't want to turn off auto-format, because I want the wrapping to automatically adjust when I go back to edit a paragraph. It just doesn't seem reasonable to me to take such a stubborn stance with something so simple and helpful. It's not like I'm asking for a lot and i think it's a pretty practical issue. I don't feel it deserves a That's just the way it is and we're not going to change it attitude. My follow up response was this: But couldn't there be an additional option added where we can have all the features of auto-format and reflowing, but also be able to press enter without it skipping back to the previous line? It wouldn't take anything away from anything else, it would only add a feature. please consider it. All it would have to be is another checkbox like, Allow single carriage return. Would anyone here support me in adding this feature? I need some backup. Again, remember, nothing would change, it will just be an additional option. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)
I cannot get my head around MicroEd. I want to like it, but I always have problems with wrapping issues. Please help me answer some questions: Question #1: What are the differences between MicroEd and Plain Windows? Question #2: What does Auto-Format do? Please be detailed, I don't get it. Question #3: Why can't the paragraphs wrap to the window size rather than a certain number of characters? Question #4: Sometimes I write an email, it looks fine. But when the other person recieves it, the wrapping is all crazy with alternating long/short lines. As if one of my lines was being wrapped before it should be and the leftover spills over to the next line. Question #5: Why do we have to use Alt-L to reformat the wrapping if you go back and edit? All other editors everywhere in the world do this automatically. Is this a MicroEd thing, or does it happen with the Windows editor also? Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Microed editor not respecting the return
When I use the Microed editor to write, I press Enter to start a new line, but as soon as I start typing, the typing continues on the previous line where I had left off. So it's a little frustrating. Some more info. The options I have enable for Micro-ed specific options are: auto-wrap, auto-format, smart tabs, backspace unindents, find text at caret position. The reason I have settled on the options above is because of previous frustrations with Microed that I've written here about before. The main one being my problem with being able to automatically wordwrap lines after going back and editing lines in the middle of a message. Does anyone else run into these frustrations with microEd? After all these years, I would have expected it to be a little more normal and easy to use. I don't understand why this stuff happens or why it doesn't behave like any other editor for the simple stuff. I love the Bat tremendously, but these little things about microed keep coming up and they never seem to get fixed. __ Aram Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Many, many confusing options for templates with no explanations
I have huge problems with templates because there are many confusing options and difficult to find documentation. So, I'm just going to list my several questions on templates that have been bugging me: There's a Common Templates section in the quick templates dialog. But every template also has a checkbox for share with other accounts. This is confusing. What's the difference? How does each work? In the same dialog, for each template, there are check boxes for Use For New Messages, Reply Messages, and Forward messages. However, in each of your Account properties, you have to set up templates for all these categories anyway. Again, what's the difference, and how is each one meant to be used? Furthermore, why do i even have to check those options?! Whenever I want to use a quick template inside another template, I can always do so with the QINCLUDE function, right? I don't have to check those boxes at all. Very, very confusing. Is there somewhere that lists all the template functions in some kind of organized fashion? I'm talking all the functions and how to use them? For example, the ISSIGNATURE command makes no sense to me whatsoever. Thanks for all the advice. I love the Bat, but there seriously needs to be a more convenient place to find answers to these questions besides mailing lists newsgroups. A good help file would be ideal. but I understand if that's not the developer's priority. At least a normal web forum or something. Newsgroups and mailing lists are old-school. I still haven't set up my newsreader to be able to reply to messages...all I can do is create a new message right now. OK, I'm done! -- AC Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
automatic line wrapping issues
I'm using microEd and I have the free caret option turned off. In email programs I've used, and also with the bat, I always have issues with word wrappiing. Specifically for the Bat, I notice problems when I type a paragraph, but then go back to edit something or delete something in the middle of the paragraph. What happens is that the line wrapping gets all screwed up and if I add some words to the middle of the paragraph, that line I added on to will now stretch way beyond the regular wrapping edge. Similarly, if I delete words, the line will shorten but it won't bring along the next line with it...in other words, only that one line will shorten even if more words from the next line can fit above. The point is, the wrapping only works when you are typing the paragraph from scratch. When you go back to edit a paragraph, all the wrapping gets broken and messed up. Why can't it dynamically wrap everything like any other text editor would do? Is there a setting somewhere? I've run into this before and someone suggested that when that happens, I reformat the paragraph with some shortcut (I forgot what it was, but it was something similar to just aligning left). But my real question is why can't the program do this automatically? -- AC Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
signatures in top-posted replies
My preference is to top-post when replying to emails. So, in my template for replies, there are typically three blocks of text: my new reply text my signature quoted text What I'm having a problem with is that the editor will format everything below the signature delimiter -- as part of the signature, so the quoted text will be formatted as part of the signature. Is it possible to keep the two separate while still being able to top-post? It doesn't affect the actual, it's just affecting what i see visually in the editor. I would like to see the three separate sections with three different formats. Thanks. -- AC Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: G-Mail... Again!
Hi Tony Boom, On 23/12/2004 02:09 PM, you wrote: Talking of which, I now have another 12, yes twelve more invites to give away. If I take one, does this mean that I'll be caught in that cycle of having all those invites to give out? :) -- -= Allie =- Oxymoron: Sit up. Using ThunderBird v1.0 IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?
Hi Alexander S. Kunz On 22/11/2004 01:25 PM, you wrote: Please don't do that. Most, if not all worms/virus programs scan the infected system for email addresses and use those as a sender. The sender field of the mail is spoofed, it is most likely NOT the owner of the infected system. Agreed. For a few days last week, I was receiving notification that I had sent a virus to a particular address and that it was removed. Turns out that I don't know the address that's being referred to and I don't have it in my address book. I don't even use the address book that's normally used by these viruses that send out copies of itself via e-mail. -- -= Allie Martin =- Even a hawk is an eagle among crows. IMAP Clients: ThunderBird v0.9 | SquirrelMail v1.4.4 | The Bat! IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?
Hi WilWilWil On 22/11/2004 01:43 PM, you wrote: I will automatically move infected mails in quarantine folder and have a look manually. I'm not sure what you mean here. Look manually to do what? Hopefully not to examine sender addresses and then ask the sender if it was really them. If you see my address as sender, I'll admit from now that it wasn't I who sent it so there would be no need to ask me about it. :) -- -= Allie Martin =- Even a hawk is an eagle among crows. IMAP Clients: ThunderBird v0.9 | SquirrelMail v1.4.4 | The Bat! IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?
Hi WilWilWil, On 22/11/2004 5:25 PM, you wrote: Another strange thing append often with my sent my mails : I send mails to friends and their system fight them as an attacks. Especially by Norton ! :-( Is this because of a special format of mails written by TB ? They add my address in their white list but mails are fight again... I don't know what would do that. shrug Does the same thing happen when you send your messages with a different client? -- Cheers, -= Allie Martin =- If at first you don't succeed, work for Microsoft. __ IMAP Clients: The Bat! v3.0.2.5 | ThunderBird v0.9 IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
