Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Hello Mica, On Thursday, December 29, 2005, at 15:02 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: 2) instead of – appeared v It's because you have changed/overwritten original charset (of my message) KOI8-R to UTF-8. It's also reason that when I reply to your reply the whole Russian text is messed up and morphed (in)to question marks. So, this one wouldn't be a bug. It's just a matter of charset consistency in reply sequences/threads, defined on user level. If you would reply to the same message again, but changing not its original charset, whole Russian text would show correctly. Well, changing charset from som 8 bit charset to UTF-8 should not loose any characters. If it looses -- it's a bug. And yes, I've tried to reply to your message using KOI8-R -- instead of — I got v. As I know, windows-1251 will entirely correctly display just _some_ of Cyrillic texts (Serbian for instance when is not written in Latin, Macedonian and few others I don't know much about), but not Russian. Add to this that I'm still fairly puzzled as to the number of Russian encodings and variants. Might be easily that it looks much simpler when is understood. As far as I know all Russian characters are covered by the windows-1251 charset. Is it Lithuanian written using only Latin letters? We use 23 not accented latin letters (english alphabet minus q, w and x) and 9 accented latin letters (ąčęėįšųūž). -- Edvinas Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic ))) Solved
Hello Alexander, On Thursday, December 29, 2005, at 19:16 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: Question to Edvinas: are you using the Windows Editor by default? I don't see how you would convert the message to UTF-8 otherwise... ?! Well, my default editor is MicroEd. In case there are chracters which MicroEd can't display, I simply switch to Windows Editor. -- Edvinas Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Hello Robert, On Wednesday, December 28, 2005, at 05:25 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: I have been discussing not being able to get Cyrillic to copy to my emails, with Mica. He sent me, as an example: , ??? ? ??? ?? ?? ? . ? ? ??? ??? ???, ? ?? ??! And that was in Cyrillic in the email from Mica. I have the charset to KOI8-r right now and see it in the rfc822 headers when I put it in the outbox. Well, your email is in ISO-8859-1, of course cyrillic characters are not displayed. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Hello Robert, On Wednesday, December 28, 2005, at 16:47 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: WRT the AB, I do not have any stipulation to use a particular Charset checked ... the box is empty, so to speak, for all the TB Lists. The Folder which collects the email from the TB lists, has no reply template for any of the lists. Checking this message's Charset, from the Options in the editor, shows I am in 8859 although I do not know from whence that comes. ISO-8859-1 comes from your system default locate. However, in the instance where I want to quote the Cyrillic, I previously used the manual setting of KOI8-R which did not matter as the quoted Cyrillic transferred to the ? . And I think I am currently still using Courier New for the Fonts. To see cyrillic letters switch from MicroEd to Windows style plaint text editor. -- Edvinas Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Hello Robert, On Wednesday, December 28, 2005, at 18:13 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: Recently, Edvinas Matiu?aitis squawked: at least using the Windows Editor, I get Edvinas' name spelled right Well, you used wrong charset to transfer that � correctly. I did, and when I try and reply to Mica's **original** post to me in TBOT, the Cyrillic char's switch to ? 's In fact those characters must appear again when you switch MicroEd to Windows editor. What font are you using for HTML/Windows editor? Is the consensus of opinion that it is possible to have a completed installation FROM an MSI that, despite installing, IS fundamentally a flawed MSI download to begin with? No, it isn't. I don't agree with that. what do the characters on that jpeg file I put up, look like to you guys? ... just as a guideline to mesvp www.denstarfarm.us/Public/TB.jpg Characters displayed there depend on system default locale. They are supposed to be cyrillic letters but you'll see them only in case when your Language for non-unicode programs is set to Russian. In your case those letters are displayed as accented Western European characters (which is correct). -- Edvinas Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Hello Mica, On Thursday, December 29, 2005, at 01:40 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: No problem, we have more, unfolded not, examples. Here... (: Сластолюбцы всех поколений, лишь вам я адресую настоящее произведение: пусть вас питают его принципы, они благоприятствуют страстям, а страсти эти, которыми пугают вас холодные пошлые моралисты, √ всего только средства, употребляемые природою, чтобы внушить человеку её намерения по отношению к нему; не слушайте ничего, кроме этих сладостных страстей; их сущность одна должна привести вас к счастью. Huh, I must say you must be really fluent in English and Russian to translate this. By the way, my reply displays two bugs: 1) as you can see wrapping of quoted text is messed up 2) instead of – appeared √ -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: still problems with Cyrillic
Replying to myself. 1) as you can see wrapping of quoted text is messed up Quoted text was wrapped not correct in edit window but appeared correct in sent message... -- Edvinas Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hello Roelof, On Tuesday, December 6, 2005, at 10:52 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: You're supposed to tell BayesIt where to place them. So that when you mark messages as HAM or SPAM it knows where it has to create the files when they're not on the specified place. In order to create them you have to tell it where you want them, you can do that via the menu: Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam - BayesIt! - Configure - Basic filter's options - Working directory Just now, just for the pleasure of testing it for you I deleted the whole directory tree where my copy of BayesIt stores its stuff. Subsequently I marked some messages as SPAM or HAM and BayesIt created not only the files, but also the directory tree.. Well, it is not the case here. I was doing everything absolutely the same as you describing, however BayesIt creates just the following directories and files (output of dir *.* /s): === Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt 2005-12-06 11:10DIR . 2005-12-06 11:10DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:04DIR base 2005-12-06 11:06 2 587 bayesit.LOG 1 File(s) 2 587 bytes Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt\base 2005-12-06 11:04DIR . 2005-12-06 11:04DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:06DIR transact 0 File(s) 0 bytes Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt\base\transact 2005-12-06 11:06DIR . 2005-12-06 11:06DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:05 1 189 858 autotrain.bys 2005-12-06 11:0610 752 autotrain.idx 2005-12-06 11:0621 624 autotrain.lst 3 File(s) 1 222 234 bytes Total Files Listed: 4 File(s) 1 224 821 bytes 8 Dir(s) 7 176 785 920 bytes free == And here what is in BayesIt log file: 06.12.2005 11:16:25 --- New session log BayesIt! version: 06.12.2005 11:16:25 0.8.4 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading training information. 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Recalculating dictionaries from here: 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Z:\Edvinas\My Documents\Mail\BayesIt\base\spamdict.bye 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading whitelist... Number of loaded whitelist rules: 0 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Whitelist was loaded successfully 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading blacklist... Number of loaded blacklist rules: 0 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Blacklist was loaded successfully 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading ignorelist... Number of loaded ignorelist rules: 0 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Ignorelist was loaded successfully 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Background recalculation started... 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Z:\Edvinas\My Documents\Mail\BayesIt\base\nspamdict.bye 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Spam frequency dictionary: 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Non-spam frequency dictionary: 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode... -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.62.14 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hello Roelof, On Tuesday, December 6, 2005, at 11:37 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: You need to train BayesIt, not with one or two messages, but with a couple of hundred, so that it gets a reasonable idea of what you consider spam. BayesIt will not work immediately out of the box and it never will. The EM 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode... that you quoted from your log is BayesIt's way to ask for training Well, you were right. I had not enough spam messages for BayesIt to get proper training. When I've marked a couple of hundreds of messages as spam, then a couple of hundreds of messages as not spam ant BayesIt exited training mode and created those missing files. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.62.14 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hello, I've made clean installation of The Bat! then added BayesIt and everything what I got were missing spamdict.bye and nspamdict.bye files. I just wonder if anyone at Ritlabs tried to do clean installation of verion 3.62.14? -- Edvinas Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hello Roelof, On Monday, December 5, 2005, at 19:48 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: EM I've made clean installation of The Bat! then added BayesIt and everything EM what I got were missing spamdict.bye and nspamdict.bye files. IIRC those are BayesIt's dictionary files with words you've defined as spam or ham related. You're supposed to configure BayesIt so that it knows where you want it to place those files. I understand it perfectly. The problem is that with the clean installation I *don't have* those files. And when I don't have them BayesIt! does not vreate new ones, it just complains about missing files. -- Edvinas Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* (??????)
Hello Spike, On Wednesday, August 17, 2005, at 19:33 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: S I'm not sure I am getting what you are referring to. I receive S massive amounts of Russian [EMAIL PROTECTED], and all the Cyrillic characters show S _correctly_ in the subject lines. I am set to 'English Caribbean' S locale. Perhaps it is a header lacking to specify the proper content? All those characters are correctly displayed in message list, preview pane and message view. However try to reply to that message and check what all those cyrillic characters disappear. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.60.01 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* (??????)
Hello Costas, On Thursday, August 18, 2005, at 19:05 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: CP I don't know if I can express it correctly, but what I have now in my CP email folders is one email from Thomas CP mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: It shows in the headers part CP of the Message Preview window the Subject line with the Greek word CP Λύθηκε that I wrote, but in non Greek characters. CP I also have message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] from CP Mary where the above Greek word in the Subject line appears correctly CP in Greek! CP Do you see my point? I'm sure that neither Thomas nor Mary edited the CP Subject line. You mustt have both replied to a message. Yet, the Greek CP word in the Subject line in one case changed from Greek to gibberish CP and in other it remained in Greek. I'll try to explain. First of all you probably already know that there's no such thing as a character in data which is stored in computer. Only numeric bytes are stored. Character sets are used to map those numeric values to according characters. The same numeric value can be mapped to one character in one charset and to another character in another charset. Thomas replied using ISO-8859-1 charset in the subject and those values which are mapped to Greek letters using Greek ISO charset were mapped to some characters of ISO-8859-1 (Western ISO) characters. So you got some Western European characters instead of Greek. If you would save Thomas' message as *.eml message, then with a plain text editor edit it and change ISO-8859-1 to ISO-8859-7 and then open that edited message in The Bat! you'll get correct Greek characters. Mary replied using Greek ISO and all your characters are shown correctly. In my reply you will be able to see just question marks instead of Greek characters because here bug of The Bat! comes into play — characters in message headers which are not in the default windows charset are converted into question marks. -- Edvinas Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with the Subject field *SOLVED* (??????)
Hello Costas, On Wednesday, August 17, 2005, at 17:08 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: CP I remembered that prior to the hard disk format the Language for CP Non-Unicode programs in the regional settings was Greek. So, I CP changed it to Greek and now it's alright. Well, it's just workaround, problem still persist in The Bat! It's not a solution to switch between windows default locales to be able to use national characters in subjects. I use non greek locale and your greek characters are gone in my subject. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.51.10 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting messagebase to Mozilla Thunderbird?
Hello Tony, On Tuesday, June 21, 2005, at 00:01 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: TB I was messing about with Thunderbird and tried importing a few TB messages so I could play around but cannot get them in a format that TB Thunderbird can import - anyone any ideas? TB Thunderbird appears to only import from Netscape Communicator, TB Eudora, Outllok or Outlook Express Thunderbird keeps email in so called UNIX mailbox format. For each folder Thunderbird has that mailbox, folder name in Thunderbird is the same as filename of that mailbox on your HDD Therefore you should export messages from The Bat! to UNIX mailbox and then simply copy created file into Thunderbird mail directory. For example: 1) Create in Thunderbird folder called import_from_the_bat, close Thunderbird. 2) in The Bat! select messages you want to export and then Tools/Export messages to/UNIX mailbox, save mailbox as import_from_the_bat 3) Locate Thunderbird mailbox file import_from_the_bat. It should be in one of Application Data\Thunderbird subdirectories and copy over file created by The Bat! That's it :) -- Edvinas pgpEhHLUwcmlN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hello Anthony, On Friday, April 15, 2005, at 19:57 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: AGA But TB _displays_ Unicode without any problem, it seems. So it just AGA can't generate it? Well it has big problems displaying Unicode in message list, MailTicker. And forget about writing using UTF-8 :( -- Edvinas Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I send messages in Unicode?
Hello Anthony, On Friday, April 15, 2005, at 09:33 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: AGA Is there a way for me to send messages in Unicode with TB? I need to AGA send stuff containing characters from the International Phonetic AGA Alphabet, and while I have the necessary Unicode fonts installed, I'm AGA not sure if there's a way to send Unicode in TB. I send only plain-text AGA messages with the built-in Micro-Ed. No, you can't Ritlabs ignore this Unicode issue :( -- Edvinas Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: no UTF-8 support in TB?
Hello Jernej, On Wednesday, March 2, 2005, at 08:47 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: JS Look at the message headers first. Unless the charset is declared there, JS it's not a bug in TB, but a bug in whichever client generated that message. I've noticed that The Bat can't display UTF-8 encoded HTML messages. Plain text version of the same message is displayed OK. Just another bug of The Bat! -- Edvinas Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP-signed mails
Hello Alexander, On Saturday, January 29, 2005, at 19:03 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: ASK I don't know how Outlook/OE handle those messages, though. Outlook handles PGP/MIME signed messages quite well, it displays emails taxt and signature is displayed as an attachment. Outlook Express can't handle PGP/MIME signed messages. It doesn't display email text, instead it shows it as an attachment. -- Edvinas Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
