An Idea.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi list, someone just gave me an idea: if you have two accounts, yet in the preferences you point them to have the same home-directory (under filesdirectories), what consequences would that have? could you for example still have different mail-retrieval settings or have the accounts effectively become one-and-the-same? Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPRovqktQMadp+KslEQJwjACg2jGFYUr6iLO+l/F/Ya1cfxqE5IMAoIo0 kAQFpptdz2igikL8RUNoyhbd =lNZs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: An Idea.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 3:35 op donderdag 27 juni 2002, Jos Flachs: could you for example still have different mail-retrieval settings or have the accounts effectively become one-and-the-same? Why should they? because settings are held in files with a fixed name, perhaps. but i dunno fersure, so i asked. M. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPRpfUEtQMadp+KslEQImlQCg114EtAxzb3MyYkASUZjgXL2P1XQAn13a gUpQwTritgONhIDW53g30Pja =yyal -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: web2pop (was Re: Under account/properties/options the ** periodically checking each * does not work...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 21:05 op donderdag 20 juni 2002, Jonathan Angliss: On Thursday, June 20, 2002, vj135doppa wrote... There is nothing else running but it says port so and so is still being used by another application. Sounds to me like something has crashed, and Windows is reporting the port is locked... have you tried a nice fresh reboot? install kerio firewall (www.kerio.com); besides being a very nice firewall it will also tell you which programs keep which ports open. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPRIdL0tQMadp+KslEQJv8wCgue21qJRFjlhiInmw7+MWRuKVULoAoPnb vhHv31LMLrE8J62fGdAKfZ3W =xXPO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: 2?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 17:24 op dinsdag 11 juni 2002, Paul Cartwright: FDH Second, I at one time did use the full name with the quoted material FDH i.e. Frank D. Hubeny . But was told it was archaic and meseed up some FDH folks wrapping. But I do see this alot from this list, and it does look FDH good, clears up who said what so to speak. Is the problem with the fact FDH that I did not use a wrap with my quoted material. if you right-click on the account in the left-panel, select properties. then go to templates. Hit the PLUS (+) symbol to expand it, select the REPLY template. There is a section below that starts with Sender information. Here you can select names, initials as you can see I use initials, it still shows who said what, but it doesn't take up alot of space ! It is, like the Re[2]: reply-extension, only usable when mailing to another thebat! user, like one would expect on this list. If someone with another mailclient, say, mozilla, reformats a reply to your message with these FDH replymarkers, it *will* fuck up their wrapping. The replymarker is ''. Period. Get used to it. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPQYRWktQMadp+KslEQJNBwCfVVHc8ayAlsEksaK26HhunqRpxasAnRGB sKdN+FwG9rfaNNQFT0rFy81F =Da1W -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: E-mail address filtering.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 12:02 op vrijdag 7 juni 2002, Allie C Martin: WC I've tried [[EMAIL PROTECTED]], Recipient, Yes. Ok. Try this string and enable regular expressions in the filter rules options. ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] or add [Joe.], Recipient, No. to the filter. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPQB5r0tQMadp+KslEQLcWwCg2tNfYQ9v/lmKQfN1i3RZWXr/zsIAnRYG JnW/bOk1NO6qf0cNAANXuI4u =2YIM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: 1.60m - State of the art?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 15:00 op vrijdag 31 mei 2002, Joseph N.: Solange man bewundern und lieben kann, ist man immer jung. (Pablo Casals) As long as one can love and admire, one is ever young (of heart). Willing to provide a translation? sure. my german is a bit rusty (niederdeutsch! :), but i think it is correct :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPPdnr0tQMadp+KslEQIXfQCeMjGzO2lT0wYEJnPaWtQiO8rIEBoAoNcG vG29TEVqyW2Tk9DGrY7YBcK7 =h+Yx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Colorized Signatures with Fixed Font
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 20:37 op vrijdag 31 mei 2002, Thomas F: TF Richt Tech Viewer, Now, what is that supposed to mean? Probably Rich Text Viewer, I guess. Use the spell checker, will you? now is that a spell flame or what? *poking up the fire* M. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPPfaDEtQMadp+KslEQKkQQCbBNuSfa1/5/o/GENV85Z8IFIJ60gAnRYp 7PMhckG7qgAevg0j5+VMWh9T =6Ueq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Colorized Signatures with Fixed Font
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 23:24 op vrijdag 31 mei 2002, Lars Geiger: Hi Mrten, On Friday, May 31, 2002 at 23:16:09 [GMT +0200], you wrote: now is that a spell flame or what? *poking up the fire* You surely realized that Thomas replied to his own message, didn't you? I think he's allowed to do this. :-) sssttt! wanna see if he returns fire to himself *grin* M. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPPfeqEtQMadp+KslEQI2ZQCgwuY31WVTIi1srGgjsCwcusvls6QAoIi+ F+U286VswGY7P9FMHfBjziT3 =q2ZI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Auto size columns?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 20:58 op zaterdag 25 mei 2002, Tone Marie Berg: This is a default behaviour in Windows which all applications should inherit, actually. Explorer does this, and all Windows applications behaving as expected should do this. trust me, it is something you, as a programmer, have to add yourself if you do anything that isn't pre-programmed with a list. make it a wish. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPO/V2UtQMadp+KslEQLc9gCg0xAlJ8Y8aDdHZ+wpE0Qz+ytvlg0AoKVu vPIuN29wA90l6IudkN2VL8Tc =qXd6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: PGP Question.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 15:01 op vrijdag 17 mei 2002, Steve VanOostbrugge: I have just become a new user of this program and after setting up my preferences I then tried to set up my defaults for PGP. It is my intent to always sign and encrypt by default every outgoing message with PGP. I have PGP 6.0.2 installed within my machine, and according to the literature for TB, it says that it only needs this program to sign and encrypt. I was unable to set up the default sign encrypt, BUT was able to manually encrypt my message prior to sending from within the program's menu. have you installed the plugin dll? download it from the ritlabs.com site. i'd advise against encrypting all your outgoing messages; this list for one will not be able to decrypt your messages. not to mention all the people that don't have pgp installed. Is there any way to automatically sign and encrypt the message when I press send? yes there is, i'm doing it right now (signing, that is). install the plugin, and perhaps you should try pgp 6.5.8ckt, from www.ippgpp.com. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPOT0GEtQMadp+KslEQJIygCg4z4vtyAMdKb34hauTVDgxgCo2OcAn3tt YaW/K8peTg43G/B9KYDCaozd =toSu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB phones home, sends spam?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 16:57 op woensdag 15 mei 2002, Jonathan Angliss: On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, Spike wrote... Spammers have a trick they now use, which works if they know the name of the default mail server of the ISP. They can send a message to whatever@mailservername and EVERYONE on the mailserver gets a message! The whatever can actually be anything they wish to type! This really sucks, but I don't know what can be done about it. this is not true. examine the headers from such messages and search for your emailadress. you'll find it. it's just not in the To: header. A common one is Undisclosed.Recipients@server name. I get about 7 of those a day. I'm guessing depending on the mail server if you set it to reject anything sent directly to the server name, it should drop those mails. After all... why would legitimate contacts be sending email to your server name, instead of your domain name? I'd have to experiment with that one on my test network. 'undisclosed.recepients' is what you get with some mailers when you only bcc people. no worries there. on properly configured mailservers, mail to random@mailserver is bounced. no question about that. on an upnote; ask your ISP to implement the ORDB blacklist in the mailsystem (http://www.ordb.org/). mine has, and the amount of spam has drastically reduced. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPOKCvktQMadp+KslEQKGnQCfWWhEeG3bfIDNCoOtMlvy62wZKOsAoIrs MccE4FQ21aLxl/3zt2eCds+M =UYxx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TheBat! FAQ What I don't understand,and WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 22:07 op dinsdag 14 mei 2002, Daniel Grunberg: What I don't understand is why TheBat! doesn't make TheBat! FAQ there has been a thread on this subject a couple of weeks ago. look it up the archives. short summary: opera does not like the way the faq is built, therefore a warning was built in. you can complain about that, but it won't be changed unless the moderator (who happens to be he faq-answerer here :) has found time to rewrite it. you should try Mozilla, it works :) /shameless plug. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPOGBgEtQMadp+KslEQJBQQCg7VlyeXu5L/68OcwLvVB4SsSXsqYAn0vq ndKQTk6O1SNBpzSMwfgd40SH =CAi+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: My postings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 23:57 op dinsdag 14 mei 2002, David Elliott: What has happened to my postings ?? I have changed nothing.!! check Account Properties Mail Management '8-bit characters are treated:'. It should NOT be 'base-64', make it 'quoted-printable'. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPOGAlUtQMadp+KslEQI2kwCeOYbMLaHQ+74l6n5Zcn0aIOf/l7sAnjSO n3SoQfDOzyStWmPXxUhyimjc =aGMG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB phones home, sends spam?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 2:21 op woensdag 15 mei 2002, ztrader: The only way that could have happened is that TB called home (*without* asking), reporting that address, and then sent a spam email. This does not sound as though TB is respecting privacy at all. I am VERY disappointed! if you are referring to the 'welcome to thebat!' or-something like that message that is in your inbox after you install thebat, you're jumping to conclusions. there is nothing to stop the installer from adding a friendly welcome- message to your inbox, is there? don't worry, your mail-address is still safe (well, it was until you used it on this public mailinglist *evil grin*) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPOGrHktQMadp+KslEQI64ACeJA7G+aZgG5ZJWPPkP6t/ivsXgc8AoMR7 eO2VOVOt4NYq/vaJE+Mav9jj =on5o -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 0:28 op woensdag 15 mei 2002, Mike Dillinger: I'd like to be able to word wrap locally, but not wrap the message, if that makes sense. So for instance, when I send a message out, I don't want the recipients to receive it word wrapped (that allows their e-mail client to do what they want with the message), but for neatness purposes on my end, I'd like to word wrap here. Hopefully this makes sense. Is this possible? I can only see either word wrapping everything or nothing. no. WYSIWYMO, what you see is what you mail out. tell your recipients to upgrade to a better mail-client :) M. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPOGDUUtQMadp+KslEQJ6IQCfSJW+CHrlnpc/cmAVmLO03DR9dK8AoJ3C e4+1+tNKP14cnmds8IAcOPUO =pYUG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: comments and a request
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 19:20 op vrijdag 10 mei 2002, Richard Butler: ridiculous scratch pad. I therefore request you kill SmartBat or at least take it off of my window title bar. I further request that you add a raw SMTP\POP3 tool that can let me get down-n-dirty with my mail server. i request you try putty in 'raw' mode to get down dirty with your mail-server. way more efficient. i also request that you learn SMTP and POP from their respective RFCs (i've posted the link earlier this week). furthermore i want to state that i absolutely LOVE the smartbat (my window title bar, the nerve). it's IDEAL to reformat pieces of text copied from somewhere that i want to paste somewhere where the windowsize is limited (IRC, for example). just assign a system-wide hotkey to it. there you have it. a positive note about the smartbat. thank you for your attention. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPNxe4ktQMadp+KslEQIjyACfUqXUmhGt80lcLyY21iROvlgFhkQAoKuY 64X2QHr2u7EYQ6XoLfwkgYSb =nRT/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Wrong mailbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 20:16 op zaterdag 4 mei 2002, Fré van Limpt: I did and it didn't make any difference. I ticked ' 0 ' (as a synonym for 'never'), which was replaced by '15' (seems to be a standard setting) ! :-/ there is a checkbox before that particular setting. (you know, that thing that look like a 'V', or a square root-sign). uncheck that one (ie.; click on it. it will disappear). otherwise, you might want to remove the smtp-server from the settings :) There aren't anymore left I'm afraid... and I don't want to uninstall Netsc. 4.76 because of my excellent browser (Opera was slower on my cpu and I don't like IE). netscape 4.76 is an outdated browser anyway. expect most pages to be rendered incorrectly soon (read: http://alistapart.com/stories/tohell/ , or http://www.webstandards.org/upgrade/ ) you should try mozilla ( http://www.mozilla.org )! /shameless plug Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPNQd/ktQMadp+KslEQLG8ACffqHbLzXWjyw7fCodLVjyNYdn11EAoJbl vjyRKAEHlppgHEkD/9+pMrBy =Me+f -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Authentication Encryption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 15:02 op donderdag 2 mei 2002, Fré van Limpt: The system of secure transport of messages begins, I think, with POP3 and/or(?) SMTP authentication. Or are they simply options on themselves, regardless of encryption? messages are transported between servers as-is, so usually in plain text. the only way to guarantee that no-one besides the recipient can read your messages is to encrypt them end-to-end. the reason one would secure the traffic between TheBat! and the mailserver is a question of security, not privacy. an intruder can sniff your connection to the mailserver and thus see your passwords. basic pop3 sends password in plain text over the network. smtp authentication is another beast, this is usually done by isps to prevent spammers from using their systems. so yes, the methods you name are options on themselves :) When do I (PGP or else)-sign and when isn't it worth the trouble? I'm looking forward to see reactions that can orientate my thoughts on the subject. PGP-signing is worth the trouble when you want to make sure that the recipient is able to check whether the message has been tampered with. since one can not really predict when the recipient deems this integrity-check necessary i almost always sign my messages. signing messages is also useful as a means to promote the use of strong cryptography in email. :) hope this clears something up; Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPNFAlktQMadp+KslEQIIPwCfYv1NUKDW4GCU5JncRqPZXGxfe64An1CT rZvUDrcgnag2DOmTGm1HJejR =NteG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anti-Virus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 0:01 op vrijdag 3 mei 2002, Mandara: Btw, the term Microsoft anything-dealing-with-privacy-security sounds pretty weird, nein? Do you folks really think it is a good idea making Bat involved with a such things? the bat! has S/MIME because outlook has it. market-push... what! no s/mime support! me no buy!. Well, since M$ made own versions of almost all things/prgm languages, maybe is something similar with this S/MIME 'standard'. Ahhh... Just an idea. *g* I simply couldn't browse folders by first letter of their names, in versions 60, 60c, d (I didn't even try further). i'm using 1.60h and have just tried... when i type 'e' and 'r', a folder called 'eric' gets selected... is that what you mean? (select the folder pane first ofcourse) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPNGvVEtQMadp+KslEQJqYgCcDf8Dh7cMr8Uuse+zdLKj9OlQhB4AoLUr 4vqPgsI3n3KZu02Ew3IFTOJ4 =uNng -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Song of the forgotten bugs and S/MIME standard[s] was: Re:Anti-Virus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 2:16 op vrijdag 3 mei 2002, Mandara: Ahhh... Bat became so excellent right because it was *different*, and pretty independent. Ahhh... Hmmm... Grmph... Hmmm... it is pretty because the programmers designed it right, and used the input they got from their advanced customers right. microsoft probably uses the same approach (polls, beta-testing), but their envisioned userbase is more 'stupid', and thus the resulting product has more 'fluff' liked by 'children' and less advanced features liked by 'elders'. (the terms do of course not relate to age :) that, and their delivery-model does not match with the beta-cycles we see here at riotlabs (typo deliberately not corrected :). using s/mime instead of pgp is of course a personal choice. personally i despise s/mime for the same reason i despise html-in-mail: you bother the recipient with more 3 to 4 K useless random crap, thus lowering to the signal/noise ratio that is usually too low to begin with. PGP is usually much nicer than that. i sometimes find myself on a seemingly hopeless crusade, pointing people to nice and not-so-nice how and why should one trim and inline-reply one's email-sites, trying to explain, but i am often being met with a blank stare (over email, that is :). Standards are very important in mass-communications, and M$ is just breaking it, but this is M$. Question is: why TB's supporting this? But, maybe I grasped TB concept wrongly... s/mime is just another RFC... don't know exactly who started it. i vaguely remember that it was eudora, though i might be wrong. Of course. But not, that's not quite exactly what I mean. If you have several folders starting with letter e try to browse this way and you'll see that you can do that only once. For instance, I have in each (of 21) account folder named Lists and could easily switch between them just by typing L all the way around. Similar is with folders News, Private etc. weird. i have folders starting with 'maart', 'marie-' and 'mariek' and find myself able to bounce happily between all of them. the only folders that do what you describe are the inbox and my inbox-unknown folder. spaces in names seem to be bothersome as well (folders 'mark b' and 'mark h'), since the space seems to be caught by the preview-pane. what seems to work though for flipping between inboxes is pressing 'down' first, then typing the name. is that a workaround perhaps? Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPNHdbEtQMadp+KslEQJh9gCgvSpsLhzhkCmQen/kc6nWfElV5+MAnj63 FYFYFCultcP1D8u+qymbqRq+ =VJKn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Policy Amendment
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Hash: SHA1
Om 6:59 op zaterdag 27 april 2002, DJR:
well, i've tried to 'interpret' your request and have searched for the
messages are complaining about, but i can't seem to find any. haven't seen
blank subject-lines here for ages (did notice one with '(no subject)'
though).
can't say about empty From: headers, but if Marck is correct about
messages leaving the list-server, you have to seek the problem somewhere
else.
assuming you are referring to the From: kludge, not the one visible in the
preview pane of TB, right? because the organisation between parenthesis
there comes from the 'Organisation' kludge);
'' and '' are delimiters, used in the From: field to make it possible to
put a 'real name' there. See ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2822.txt,
paragraph 3.6.2 and 3.4.
the parenthesis '(' and ')' are allowed in the subject kludge by RFC 2822.
(see same URL, paragraph 3.6.5 and 3.2.6).
My automated mail sorter does not need fixing, it's in shareware and
has no modifications.
if your automated mail sorter does not understand parenthesis in the
subject-kludge, it needs fixing, no doubt about that. any US-ASCII
character is allowed there. the fact that it is shareware is no guarantee
that the author of it has overseen something...
If I'm having problems, thousands of others are having the same problem.
i don't think that there are 'thousands' of people on this list. but i
might be wrong, of course... you are the first one complaining, though.
The message was also sent to the list moderator who's job is to
determine policy. This prevents self-centered, myopic individuals from
turning the list into an unworkable chaos, with conflicting standards.
i suggest you read up on your RFC's (see www.rfc-editor.org for a nice
start), find some clear examples of RFC-violations and then complain to
the proper authority.
Addressing a problem at the earliest date is a positive policy in
itself.
that is of course correct. however, one should make certain first what the
problem is exactly before shoving suggestions onto unknowing individuals.
please reply to me personally if you wish to continue this discussion, not
on the list.
Mrten.
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Re: dll files, where?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 13:51 op vrijdag 26 april 2002, Nathalie Marlier Seigneuret: NMS Where I am supposed to find the two correct dll files mstext35.dll NMS and scrrun.dll? Sorry, wrong address, wrong list. Please ignore. folder templates anyone? :) M. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPMk6RktQMadp+KslEQJwXACdGgj21lCMvw8xDeY6SA4o1Sv+wkoAn0jy j6L430W5vWDL9QoIm4u6aRjG =IDAG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PGP or S/MIME ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 19:58 op vrijdag 26 april 2002, Dierk Haasis: Is not also true that for PGP to be of any use the recipient must have PGP installed also? Else they cannot decode/check signature. It is this aspect that makes me shy away from PGP 1. You are right, other than with S/MIME, PGP has to be installed on both the senders and the recipients computer. What about that lets you shy away? I don't think that one can verify S/MIME signed messages when one uses elm as a mailer, right? Or am I mistaken? Did you mean it was integrated in Outlook? (and now also in TB..) TB! has PGP-support integrated (albeit not really complete), so in theory Colin should not have to shy away :) Only for the more advanced features of keymanagement a native installation of PGP would be handy... Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPMm000tQMadp+KslEQLNVwCeNYgPnbaXFyve6k36wEU/wOz5QwkAnjXy 4spxLA+84pUWhELA+GoikAw7 =Ngn/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Policy Amendment
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 23:18 op donderdag 25 april 2002, DJR: Of late several members have put either bogus or misleading information into both the subject line and/or the FROM field coupled ... [big snip] I request that you fix your automated mail sorter software yourself and stop making demands from others. pretty please with sugar on top. Mrten. (was I being impolite?) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPMhpxEtQMadp+KslEQIJEwCeJbKkBbqC2RHC5ZS8sZ1rILEzKX8AoJWt hd9ffXxgcsVFi0uJu300hCXv =zltH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Images in HTML mails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 23:55 op dinsdag 23 april 2002, Jane Ellen: The Bat isn't showing the images linked in the html mails I receive. ¿Is it a bug, or I just missed an option?. I wonder if this is a security precaution? Since mine don't work either, I generally have my html newsletters sent to a web-based email addy for convenience. TheBat will display images that get sent with the message just fine. Images that have to be downloaded however won't be downloaded and will therefore not be displayed. This is a feature loved by many. It will, for example, prevent spammers from confirming your email-address. You can always click on the HTML-icon to fire up your favourite browser ($FAVBROWSER anyone? :). Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPMXOoEtQMadp+KslEQJIqQCg5JpF/jNPCSFgGPifwczbyuaq42kAoI4K P28lzq82/piGI+GuwI6mHQn0 =nZJs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IFrame.Exploit virus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 18:09 op vrijdag 19 april 2002, David van Zuijlekom: Hi Jean-Luc, Cab't you disable Norton, then delete the email and re-activate Norton? I guess I could I am just worried that doing this it could do some damages in my machine. A virus can't do a thing without your interaction. If you don't execute it nothing can happen. So you can safely disable Norton and delete the file. err! do not delete the file or you'll be losing all messages in your inbox! Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPMA2z0tQMadp+KslEQJYtACbBm0h17T4LzGkU0ECtNVKS4WrK3gAn23n nfYeVanZ8BrMKhoBqggFAnYc =BT9b -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replying to email
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 1:10 op dinsdag 16 april 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED]: CG Why is it that when I reply to a message the editing window comes up CG minus the original message, even if I highlight the text and use F4. CG For replies not to quote the original is a useful option but not one CG that should apply all the time. Changes are that you are activating a template with the %clear macro in it. Standard TB! quotes the whole msg. Check Account/addressbook/folder templates. No, TB does not reply to the complete message-body. It cuts the part below the signature-mark in the original message. Perhaps that is the problem that the original question was about. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPLtR0UtQMadp+KslEQIWfQCfc3PP2lWS0Ff9WvF3SJz1UOaJLDoAnRGI kHfNQfL4B3ddja4GaCjXsoMO =6g5z -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Eudora Conversion Revisited
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 16:45 op dinsdag 9 april 2002, Marck D Pearlstone: Is there any solution to the issue of converting Eudora's RTF messages (those that contain HTML tags but no indicating headers)? ah, the reason i hated eudora. thanks for reminding me! i remember writing a very, *very* basic program whose (is 'whose' that correct EN?) only function was to rewrite those insanely stupid blockquote tags to standard replymarks. need it? mail me, you'll get a binary to run and the source as an extra :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPLL09UtQMadp+KslEQLWBQCfVZn4hVfHPL49Ef28DFnJPUeJ5bMAmwaN feZwd9IWS/hCUEhEOxy84/xc =zfox -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties forInbox - Known)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 0:27 op dinsdag 26 maart 2002, Yuki Taga: Maybe it is, but to me it just seems like a typical case of software bloat and redundancy, albeit probably on a small scale here. oh please. a pre-installed folder and a pre-installed rule. doesn't really add up to 'bloat' imnsho. it is a very nice introduction for the beginning bat-user to the concept of filtering and adressbooks. this is hardly-to-no any bloat compared to 1.53, since i implemented it there manually. Basically, what it seems to do if you enable the filter is to turn your normal Inbox into a *temporary* or *pending* Trash folder. Fine, but where is there any time or energy savings in that? i added a rule to the outgoing filters that adds any new mailadress i send mail to to a special adressbook, so that ultimately any conversation i have with someone ends up in the Inbox - Known. some filtering cannot be left to automatons and has to be done in your head. mail left in the Inbox is likely spam, whereas mail in the Inbox-Known is most probably not spam and therefore relevant enough for you to give it some TLA. together with other filters, i can safely delete 95% from the mail that ends up in the inbox. manually, yes. pressing 'del' once does not bother me too much :) thus there is at least 1 happy customer with the Inbox-Known :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPJ+5+0tQMadp+KslEQLEAgCg3xtEUMOp2W/fs0IO7xIXxJPRLOgAn0qu tWQ9rbrx2Hpi85e5TQYK5/Ts =1Dqq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Feature wish: Editor improvement
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 1:50 op donderdag 14 maart 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED]: excuse me for barging in, but: Right, so what do you do if you want to quote several blocks (with lines in between that you don't want to quote)? After quoting one block, you can't go back to the preview or message window, select another block and quote it again with F4. i do not understand what the trouble is with just replying (and thus quoting the complete message) and then deleting the blocks you don't need to reply to while you type. you need to have some context while replying, i think it works great that way. BTW: Is there a way to get the attributes *bold* /italic/ and _underlined_ showed in TB? Is this on the wish list? yuc. messages with the reply-marker '' prepended should be bold, and that's it, no more formatting. this ain't HTML, baby! i've seen mozilla-mail doing just that, and it really sucks. just try to imagine it while reading. if you need formatting to get your message across, you should consider rephrasing your message. which gets me to another favourite of mine: the initials (or, even worse, the complete name!) before the '' marker. it really sucks for people that do not use TB. By the quoting system I described above: You have the message you want to quote from on top, mark the block and press Q (or whatever button) to have this text inserted as quote in the actual editor window. The Bat can tell the source, because it is the message I just marked a block in. and if you'd mis-click somewhere the wrong quote would end up in the wrong window. not really what i'd call user-friendly. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPI/sUEtQMadp+KslEQInnACg+QfqUY7lQk3il2bMqeNwOR9Ij6YAn21k kbmWz3tSKXwIkNPn7AqzuAyI =07LO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Visual Notification
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 22:43 op zaterdag 9 maart 2002, Larry Hertzog: I think the Ticker is a great idea. I like to have visual notification of received email. What I'm wondering is -- is there a way to close this visual without clicking HIDE -- which will actually disable it. Can it be done? No, it can't be done. This is why I wrote a small program for just that. It runs on receiving mail (thru a 'catch-all' mail-filter), checks if it runs already and displays a small envelope in the system tray, that you can click to make it go away, which at the same time focuses your Bat!-window. It Works For Me, it won't be developed any further but it suits the purpose just fine. I can make the binary available if someone wants it (mail me privately)? A small drawback is that there is no communication between TB and the program, so if you've read all your mail, there might still be an envelope left in the system tray, which makes you believe there is new mail. Another one is that if you receive 1200 new messages, the program is run (through the filter) 1200 times. This slightly delays receiving new messages. (But since the program checks if it is running, you won't see 1200 envelopes in your tray :) I think the programmers should put this inside TB, that would make life much easier. :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPIz1N0tQMadp+KslEQJsiQCeMml1w2ZbqrybTQxBkHVJACzT5aMAoORu KuvY2hB3csDulSYdx8SaRlQR =dW3f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: The Bat FAQ, = Navigation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 0:46 op maandag 18 februari 2002, Karin Spaink: On 17-02-2002 at 19:28, Marck D Pearlstone kindly wrote: The majority of people can read it and access it well. My lover just tried with his NS6.2, and he can't see it properly either. i hate to enter in this 'me too'-contest, however, i use mozilla 0.9.8+ (2002021608 to be precise) and the FAQ works perfectly. the problem must be at your side, Karin. do you have javascript turned on? i suppose you do, since there is a nice big warning. any kind of filtering in place? maybe you should try a new build of mozilla! a nightly build perhaps? Putting the doc type there might help a lot. those are the -very- minor details in HTML that do not really effect the rendering in most browsers. the HTML itself has many, many errors (try running http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html through validator.w3.org) which can effect the rendering more than a doctype does, but it seems like it is generated, so correcting by hand seems useless. Marck, I appreciate all the work that you put in, both for the list _and_ for the faq, but this page is simply not easily accessible as it is. methinks that if you don't put up, you have to shut up. not personally meant, of course :) And to be honest, the design looks terribly amateurish... now *that* i have agree with the navigation is terrible as it is. back-button functionality disbled, etc. however, since i am not willing/able to put in the effort to make a better FAQ, i will shut up now before i shoot my own foot :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPHBGOEtQMadp+KslEQKOfgCfdbHRpjBrj7QWWd9kemOAjEu2sZYAoN2r 7ihVa2nKd6hDOFOazJWFK+i7 =sHh3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: OpenPGP vs. S/MIME: Preferences?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 8:07 op vrijdag 18 januari 2002, Gary Mort: I wouldn't classify a PGP signature as secure communications. I agree, and if that's what you think I implied, I apologize. When writing that last paragraph, I had SSH2 in mind. A PGP signature just verifies that the same person wrote a series of messages. As such, it requires no more 'trust' on my part to beleive a key server download as to beleive you handing me a disk with the key on it. In either case, that key could be being used by you, or by someone else you have given it to. Well, to paraphrase someone; the buck has to stop somewhere. I can also IRL forge signatures. I can also fake my ID. The 'atom' in the web of trust is a 'person'. If you can't trust a 'person', it stops right then and there. The bottom line is: you have to trust *someone*. There exists no (secure) communication for the truly truly paranoid. There is a line you have to draw somewhere and say: This Key I Trust. This is the major problem with building a web of trust. If I know your voice, you can confirm your public key by reading a bunch of words to me. But to a complete stranger, this is rather a problem. I can give you my phone number, but since you don't know my voice, well, no help there. Personally, I don't really trust keys from key-servers very much. Too much tampering possible. However, it is an useful way to transfer keys from friends or collegues you *validate later on*. Its merely a convenient way of 'proving' what you did and did not say. And by 'you' I don't mean a person, simply an email address that is used repeatedly where all messages are signed with PGP. Which still doesn't imply that the particular email-address belongs to me, indeed... It could also be an elaborate Man In The Middle attack. I have no way of knowing that the PGP-key you see in the messages you receive from me are the same as the ones I send away. Secure communication would entail the encryption of your message itself, not the mere signing of it. It still wouldn't be secure if we didn't exchange keys securely. Nor would it be if you didn't trust me to keep the password to my private key-ring in a safe place. Nor would it be if you didn't trust me at all :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPEftGUtQMadp+KslEQJ3CgCg1AC/zRs8K9kY4ma6Glt+/m3pCWMAoLG7 CZnNj0vsDxd4bIIYF60VKxbO =zvo1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Horizontal versus Vertical
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 11:15 op vrijdag 18 januari 2002, Gerard de Vries: In the main screen please go to View - Split mode -- Select Horizontal and then Vertical split. Please let me know it performed the split as you would expected it. Ja. Eerst horizontaal verdeeld 3 schermen, dan verticaal verdeeld 3 schermen. First divided over the horizontal axis 3 screens, then vertically. What did you see? (I hate^h^h^h^h^h dislike guessing games). Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPEf2ZUtQMadp+KslEQLUeACgxKwMUFlMCMQyon7SSE8a9UtevdgAnRTd 5K6WdAAGC66ZoysCZfYgtsOX =InpO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: OpenPGP vs. S/MIME: Preferences?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 9:56 op donderdag 17 januari 2002, Dierk Haasis: I prefer PGP to S/MIME, simply because S/MIME sends your complete public key with every message as an attachment, which effectively turns a 100 byte message to an 8K one. Actually I see this as the only plus of S/MIME - the recipient does not have to have a (complicated) programme to be installed. Well, it is my one argument against HTML-mail as well (sorry! dead horse!), you bore the recepient with stuff the recipient IMO should minimally be bothered with, so it should be as small as possible. Same argument against multiple-line signatures, ... Since I really don't know how many programs support S/MIME, I can't say anything relevant about it. Cryptography is (alas) not 'easy stuff', I think one needs to grasp at least the basic concepts. You have to conciously install PGP, so one haves at least the manual installed in c:\progra~1\pgp. That's a plus :) The only real 'drawback' to PGP that I can think of is that you have to build up your own 'web of trust'. But OTOH, for the really paranoid, that is just a big plus :) This drawback on the OTOH - as you pointed out - is the main advantage of PGP. It does not depend on a (dubious) central certificate (trust) owner. Which moves you in the 'paranoid' category :) SSL certificates (https://) work the same way as S/MIME certificates, with a 'root' CA. There are a few root CA's installed with most browsers. Don't you trust SSL-encrypted traffic either? ;) Agreed, there are root CA's that have screwed up. There is a short essay by Phil Zimmermann on cryptography containing something about the differences between S/MIME (and similar schemes) and PGP. It is the first part of the manual. You can get it separately (i.e. here: http://www.write4u.de/Dateien/PGP_Crypto_English.pdf). I cannot find any refereces to S/MIME (at least, not until the glossary section) in that document, I'm sorry... Excellent read anyway, though. (The one M where RTFM really applies? :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPEacfUtQMadp+KslEQLLiwCgvMTTki75jMuoVPtepPh39Uxn3I4An24C WHypCfjwMX5M1/j0Ih1TXXoi =DeBT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: OpenPGP vs. S/MIME: Preferences?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 19:43 op woensdag 16 januari 2002, Geordon VanTassle: I'm wondering what you all think of OpenPGP vs. S/MIME. What is the benefit of one over the other? Is there one? Which do you prefer, and why? I prefer PGP to S/MIME, simply because S/MIME sends your complete public key with every message as an attachment, which effectively turns a 100 byte message to an 8K one. PGP is way nicer to the recepient than that (conceded, it is not free of annoyances either, I find things like Hash: at the beginning of your message irritating and unnecessary, likewise with the inserting of - on every line that starts with a dash.) PGP does inline signing, S/MIME (it's in the name) uses MIME (attachments) for signing, which some older mailclients do not understand. The only real 'drawback' to PGP that I can think of is that you have to build up your own 'web of trust'. But OTOH, for the really paranoid, that is just a big plus :) Go PGP, I'd say. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPEX3bktQMadp+KslEQL3eQCeJj+FxfF3m7mG8ZTx8jyrYISZyUkAnjbI /Rg/sY26t0KUGEuwnCFPoQK/ =5efB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: OpenPGP vs. S/MIME: Preferences?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 0:02 op donderdag 17 januari 2002, Nicholas: is that why when i tried to verify this message i got an error saying unknown key? than i couldn't import your key.. strange *s/mime* attaches the public key to messages, PGP does not. In the signature-part of the message are the signature, and a reference to the public key used. you'll probably see a hexadecimal number there (Signer Key ID: 0x69F8AB25 comes to mind), as you probably do not have my public key in your key-ring. You have to get my public key from the key-servers, it's there (under another email-adress, I have so many :). I can also send it to you, if you insist :) However, for you to be *really* sure (we dive into details now) that I am who I say I am, I have to *physically* give you my public key, on a floppy disk perhaps. There is no other way to be *really* *really* sure that the signature under my email is really mine. Because, by getting the key from the key-server, you *trust* that a) the key-server has not been tampered with b) the connection you have with the key-server is not intercepted by someone and the data is being tampered with c) the key in the key-server is really mine. By requesting that I email you the key, you still do not have the guarantee that someone is intercepting all of our communications, and replacing my public key with his public key. This phenomenon is called a 'man-in-the-middle'-attack. It's kinda a chicken-and-egg problem. You cannot easily initiate a secure conversation using only an insecure communications channel. Just to indicate that cryptography is not as easy as it seems :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPEYGXUtQMadp+KslEQKBagCfaTo8IUCe2WhoclUARp7sQ4ujbvAAoMyS MxK3LrnBixGXjY1F15/1ylYw =dwZG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: The Bat! - suggestion: 'kill dupes' per folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 23:28 op dinsdag 15 januari 2002, Karin Spaink: I'd love to have the 'kill dupes' facility available on folder level instead of on the account level. You mean something else then Folder - Kill Dupes? I think I'm confused now :) Motivation: I *do* have double messages in a folder on occasion, but I can never use the feature. I imported my old mail from Eudora, whoch for years didn't put message-ids in sent mail, and I fear that Eudora is not the only mailer having done so. That makes the kill-dupes option quite useless, unfortunately. Have you tried it yet? You might recover using the backup-feature :) I've found the Kill Dupes feature very, very, useful when transferring from Eudora. (That, and a program I had to write to filter out (almost) all the blah-blah HTML-like shit Eudora puts in their message bases) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPESwkEtQMadp+KslEQK+nwCgpp12JQnv6Z4TIrFriH8AeVz2EXQAn0Zf ew06tknvBPbLMjAO9YBtbvLv =HwYP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
regexps for coloring messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi all, I'd like to color messages that have the word 'PGP' in the body of the message, so I tried putting that in a filter. However, just marking 'PGP' is not enough, since that marks messages with 'BEGIN PGP SIGNED' as well :) So it is a bit more complicated than just that, and I figured someone here might know the answer? My guess is using regexps, but I have no experience in using them with Thebat. So what it comes down to is this I guess: I'd like to color messages that have the word 'PGP' in the message BODY (not the signature!) between the PGP-markers. Anyone think that is feasible? Thanks in advance! Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPELo0ktQMadp+KslEQIuXgCfajWy/SjFzBqd2Ic9KWNpKkuJlKkAoJwL LEHX3c6J1ZWidk/YJ9fOwfHB =emeU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: regexps for coloring messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 19:27 op maandag 14 januari 2002, Dierk Haasis: Only downside is that this would not get messages about PGP (theme in Body), which are also signed by PGP. 1. Hope I am right?! it looks like you're right, both in the solution (one of my many tries, the best i've found to work), and in the downside. i hate downsides :) another downside: you refer to your PGP key in your signature, so that is a false hit as well. this is the regexp i have now: (?i)(begin|end) pgp (signed message|signature) , presence NO (?i)PGP, presence YES Mrten. ps. btw: can I configure thebat! so that, when replying, it does NOT cut off the signature? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPEMb0EtQMadp+KslEQKvrgCfUxbIZaYYumQOH6LsywjGetSMwY8An3ii S6Vzt40kTXHny5Q7aiPkazPX =WlcV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Accented characters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 17:41 op dinsdag 8 januari 2002, Marck D Pearlstone: ... such as Ctrl + ' + e to give é, Ctrl + Shift + ^ + a to ... it's a convention i only found to work in MS Office, it is not automagically supported by Windows i guess (read: needs cumbersome work done by programmers :). however, if you set your keyboard locale to for example Dutch (heaven forbid of course :), you can type é by typing 'e (apostrophe-e), â by ^a (shift-6-a), etcetera. this is hard on people (say, programmers :), that type ' a lot, though. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPDsaJ0tQMadp+KslEQI/dwCg2HuA9KwJOqwY88fGD9hE8pfF9bEAn0x1 c/mWjEpo5PuP3Hpxr8WT781p =0iKo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Tabs in emails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 1:13 op woensdag 9 januari 2002, Peter Palmreuther: 1.) This is some example text with this line intended. OK, I had to move the cursor for this indentation, but first: only the cursor, no Space hitting, second this line and the line before were intended automatically ... really practical :-) 2.) Now I had to press 'Home' once to get the not intended second paragraph, but that's once in a while for the rest of automatic text reflow :-) i just tried to repeat that, and I am quite sure that it does not work in 1.53 the way you write it here... is it a beta feature perhaps? Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPDt+MEtQMadp+KslEQJWkgCgxyGtqXrkzoigObmafQVf2nf7NU4AoJtN Z/sMrji30M7lLzvTNwkcK9k6 =SBmW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Tabs in emails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 1:23 op woensdag 9 januari 2002, Peter Palmreuther: No. Maybe you have 'Utilities' / 'Auto Format' activated? i usually do, but i tried it too when disabled. i was kinda hoping there were some fixes to 'auto-format'. Does it work correctly now? 1.) iojs; oijoisgj roigj sorijg soirjg sooierjg ;osoierjg ;oiesjg ;osierjg ;oeijg ;ooeirjg oeorijgpo ij fosij f;oisjer goisjer goisje rgoisje rgoijser goiesgj no, it doesn't. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA+AwUBPDuByUtQMadp+KslEQJBAwCYrkfasq2a5BxH61y+3W4CG8Dv1wCdF/6Y EHC9uBdv+cFPiSojmjkVBDs= =FE1P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
users vision POOR??? (was: Re: BAT's copy paste capabilities POOR???)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 0:05 op dinsdag 8 januari 2002, Sebastian: I will try to explain: I have a tracking number, that I need to copy by highlighting it and hitting ctrl-c - then, when I try to PASTE it into my internet explorer, it just gives me that half of the number that was in the upper line, but nothing from the second line. it is there, on the second line of the box of your IE you pasted it to... you have to select the second line after copy/pasting the first and ctrl-c/ctrl-v it too. it's tedious, but it works. sometimes del works at the end of the first line in the IE-box, sometimes it doesn't. good luck. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPDofaEtQMadp+KslEQJXFACg6vLwMasbXlHR2QsjOqrJwAbN4kEAnilo +hC7Br8RKTKv/cCuVixUwBMx =Bxrn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: OT: Browsers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 20:47 op zondag 6 januari 2002, Avenarius: And there's another hideous feature in Mozilla: pressing F5 or CTRL+R for refresh will bring you back to the top of the page you're viewing, instead of to the place on the page where you were before. try downloading 0.9.7, it's fixed, just tried it. very OT: if you have suggestions for Mozilla, file them at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org . It's still in the making (hence 0.9.x), help making it the greatest free browser available! :) /plug Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPDigJktQMadp+KslEQItLQCgvTTUKpAB/RYAyBmk1a9Yv8O3dD4An1yt YRTzgHCG+Yz5LccMl+CH2IeD =bYM6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: OT: Browsers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 21:46 op zondag 6 januari 2002, Alan Poulton: Does Opera still behave this way? How about Mozilla? Mozilla has tabs, don't know if they suit your needs. You can 'open window in new tab'. Personally I don't use the feature, so I really can't comment on usefulness. I know it is a hit with some people I know, you might give it a try... But I really don't get what you mean with 'multiple windows open at once', since I used to do that a lot when I last used Netscape (now working with Mozilla, love it!) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPDitT0tQMadp+KslEQKaGgCeLjP2Yx8aC22fV0Cxln7qpBYTrvgAn0M0 bSB3j6A7io2OYbJvcB/pUx1s =0nkp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Yes, I have a problem. I don't understand this. Have not seen thefaenomen in any other group or mail, I have written. Hey,there is a problem with the alphabet in my cookies too. I will try to figureout, what happened.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 14:04 op zaterdag 5 januari 2002, Britt Malka: SGVqIE1hcmNrLA0KDQps23JkYWcsIGRlbiA1LiBqYW51YXIgMjAwMiwga2wuIDEzOjMxIHNrcmV2 IGR1Og0KDQpNRFA+IEFyZSB5b3UgaGF2aW5nIHNvbWUga2luZCBvZiBwcm9ibGVtPw0KDQoNCi0t IA0KDQpNZWQgdmVubGlnIGhpbHNlbg0KDQoNCg0KIHxcICAgIC98ICBfDQogfCBcX18vIHwgfF9f ICAgfCAgXyAgX3xvDQogXC8gICAgXC8gfChfKT48fF8oX3woX3x8DQogfCAgICAgIHwgIF9fXyAg ICAgXyBfICAgXyAgIF9fICBfXyAgICAgIF8gXw0KICBcXCAgLy8gIHwgXyApXyBfKF8pIHxffCB8 X3wgIFwvICB8X18gX3wgfCB8X19fXyBfDQogICBcICAvICAgfCBfIFwgJ198IHwgIF98ICBffCB8 XC98IC8gX2AgfCB8IC8gLyBfYCB8DQogICAgXC8gICAgfF9fXy9ffCB8X3xcX198XF9ffF98ICB8 X1xfXyxffF98X1xfXF9fLF98DQoNCg0KLi4uIEvWcmxpZ2hlZGVuIGjbcmVyIGFsZHJpZyBvcC4N Cg0KDQouLi4gd3d3Lm1hbGthLmRrIC4uLg== just two suggestions: your charset is koi8-r, is that right? (a .dk person using a .ru charset?) and perhaps you have base64 encoding set? (account properties, transport, '8-bit characters are treated'). i've had this problem before, and it was that setting that got set. (not by me, by the elves that house in your computer :) set it to 'quoted-printable'. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPDbzC0tQMadp+KslEQInMwCggGog883jZxJ7tubK/uMH96JGrAEAoN6n l8TR05OU/+BCFSkKwu4MSHxk =ZdRc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering based on ordb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 5:10 op maandag 17 december 2001, colin gebhart: does anyone know if there is an easy way to use the sorting office selective downloads to only download emails from originators that are not listed at ordb.org, and approximately what the signal string would look like? No, without outside help this is not possible. The way ORDB works is that your email-server checks in the DNS (Domain Name Service, the telephonebook for your computer to find out to what address to yell to when you type www.cnn.com in your browser) whether the host from which it is about to accept email from is listed by the ORDB. If so, then the message is not accepted, and bounced with an error, so that the receiving end knows that the mail could not be delivered. The way you want to implement this denies possible legitimate mails to you WITHOUT error-message returning (your friends ISP could be listed in the ORDB without you or he knowing it! imagine unknowingly missing the invitation for his birthday :). You can't return messages, because you don't know who to return messages to, and besides, returning error-messages to spammers is generally considered a bad thing, you confirm the validity of your emailadress that way. Try convincing your ISP to implement ORDB filtering, which is IMO the proper place to do so. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPB3MVUtQMadp+KslEQIfcwCgpn4my3rKqBeh5JeOFagi/Z2nm4EAoJF4 YFoh7P3xAIr8vN7HpzOHMIul =yPWz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: my first bat bug!..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 9:25 op woensdag 28 november 2001, Dierk Haasis: As you yourself stated the reply got cut at the official signature delimiter, which is quite good. So, I won't see it as a bug - especially considering that some of us see it as a bug that TB! doesn't recognize a second sig del: - -- created by PGP. personally, i see the - -- as a bug from PGP, and a rather stupid one as well. as if they couldn't get themselves to write the few lines of code to parse a the complete delimiter string (hey, why else is the remaining text there? (-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-, that BEGIN must have some meaning doesn't it?) but to get back to the original question; i searched the RFC database, and nowhere I (better: the searchengine :) could find a reference to '-- ' being a signature that should be cut off replying. i think this way of replying should be an option, not default. nitpick, i know. i hate software deciding for me what part of the email i should be replying to. one of the prominent features of the bat is that it does not edit emails in any way, i find this one therefore rather inconsistent. i usually edit away most of the irrelevant text in the reply anyway. Instead of using a reply you can create a new message and paste the original text in with Alt+Ins. You can also create a reply and copy the text below the sig del with the same shortcut in. hmm, yes, thanks to you and peter for the workaround, i thought about that as well when i woke up this morning :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPASrrktQMadp+KslEQJbiACfTtUmEYzplV+tRI/drJxF3/dRT9IAoJTe YIBxGC0PKKs9XdQKmqXAIgKX =rNG3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 14:42 op woensdag 28 november 2001, Joseph N.: When I compose a message, if I click Privacy and both Sign When Completed and Encrypt When Completed, TB! only encrypts. It does not add a signature. Can anyone using a similar configuration produce a different result, and, if not, any reason to think this is something other than a bug? i cannot reproduce. i sent a signed encrypted testmessage to myself, this is what PGP sayz when decrypting: ***[28-11-01 14:53:46] PGP Signature Status: good ***[28-11-01 14:53:46] Hash: SHA1 ... ***[28-11-01 14:53:46] Signed: 28-11-01 14:51:47 ***[28-11-01 14:53:46] Verified: 28-11-01 14:53:46 using PGP 6.5.8ckt-6. i am signing by default, have you tried that? Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPATfhUtQMadp+KslEQIpQQCfS+oHrrcJeNth8/J+JqkhNOCjFUIAn0X6 3AGBqbNtja07hoqEKXt4DC2e =KHQk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 22:41 op woensdag 28 november 2001, Rémi Pach: 1) When I sign a message, the text Hash=MD5 is automatically inserted on the second line. Does it serve any purpose and, if not, is there a way to get rid of it? no, there is no way to get rid of it. what it is, well, you really should read the manual that came with your copy of PGP, some of it is complicated stuff (key-management is) that should be well-understood before using it extensively in practice. in short: a value is computed from your message with some algorithm, MD5 in this case, and the computed value is shown encrypted with your private key and displayed below between the BEGIN and END SIGNATURE marks. 2) Is there an easy way to encrypt an attachment together with the message? (I use the internal PGP implementation.) no, there is not, not to my knowledge, that is. you can easily encrypt the files you want to attach with the explorer (right-click, PGP) 3) What is the difference between PGP and S/Mime? I can't get the latter to work. don't bother to. S/MIME is an ugly way to sign your messages, it attaches a 5K signature to a 100 byte body. S/MIME is useful for the same purpose as PGP is, signing and encrypting. PGP is just fine. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPAVZ60tQMadp+KslEQIrvACg1fY4UxM+/RR2BrREzrY8CCaxD0oAn2Lj yNuawGyPqLyBoO+N9copvB3e =hBke -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
my first bat bug!..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ... or actually, my second, since i noticed that search-problem as well. i just tried to reply to a message that contained a '-- ' halfway the message, and the reply quoted no further then there. i know that this is the 'official' signature delimiter, yes. it was a preview of an email i should comment on. selecting all text and pressing ctrl+f4 gave the same results. my reply-template is fairly simple: Om %OTIME op %ODATE, %OFROMNAME: %Cursor %quotes %singlere%- is there an option/macro somewhere that i overlooked? Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPARCjEtQMadp+KslEQJVFACggO94FNt92uJBGKDOiPEOHVFtd3UAoP8w vgPyRUHkauYOYYeL3I+oeEHR =S7Qm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SSH
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 17:25 op dinsdag 20 november 2001, Peter Palmreuther: But how would you tunnel a POP3 request through SSH? you cannot tunnel a pop3 request *through* ssh, just can tunnel is *alongside* ssh. ssh has a feature called port-forwarding, and perhaps this is meant? you can 'forward' local port 110 to server port 110, and fetch your mail, with thebat, at localhost:110. the pop3 traffic is then encrypted by the local ssh-client, sent to the server, decrypted by sshd, and passed to port 110 at the server. i use a package called teraterm pro for my ssh-needs, i can provide a pointer to it if you ask me (i have to look it up, i REALLY don't remember where i got it). this solution is not dependant on any mailclient, it is a completely stand-alone solution and therefore viable for almost anyone, better imho than unencrypted POP3. i get my mail this way since my account has been broken into 'cause someone sniffed the password from the network. the only backdraw is that you have to have an open shell to the server all the time. since i use it regularly, it is not a problem for me. ymmv. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO/qrNUtQMadp+KslEQLdFQCeKVqUoRPEllx2q9K9ppp6lkL7S2wAn3+g Tgi4jH+nfH6Z7eFFOjb6RrFD =poSj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: PGP - config.problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 31 oktober 2001 schreef Han Thomas: Personally I'd recommend getting this one: http://www.pgpi.org/products/pgpdisk/ (Use the NT version if you run Windows 2000) please, if you must use PGPdisk, download from http://www.ipgpp.com/ version 6.5.8ckt, it is pgp 6.5.8 (including all bugfixes since 6.0.2!) bundled with the pgpdisk from 6.0.2. for version 7.x, also available from NAI, there is not yet a plugin for TB. This version is the last freeware version that still came with PGP Disk for free. ...from NAI, yes. (Optionally even install the whole The Bat program intirely on the encrypted disk; when the disk is off, nobody even knows you have an extra program for email.) well, there are traces of course... shortcuts perhaps on your desktop, temporary files left behind... Frankly, protecting email while it's on your computer is much more important than protecting it while it's being transmitted. It takes some pretty smart people to intercept e-mail during the 10 seconds it takes to send over the internet, however any co-worker or your baby daughter can open your emails while they sit on your computer for all eternity. while this is mostly true on a single computer @ home, this is certainly not the case when your computer is plugged into any kind of LAN. an ethernet-sniffer is easily installed, and while it generates huge amounts of data, a quick grep at 'PASS' reveales a lot of passwords (plain POP3 works with plain-text passwords). yes, my account has been compromized that way. yes, i download my mail in an ssh-tunnel these days. @work, you should never leave your computer unattended in an unsecure state (screensaver with password), your mail-files should be on the network-server (where they will be backed-up), where none of your co-workers can touch them unless authorized. @home, you should trust your family or install Windows NT/2000/XP :) personally, i would never trust an PGPdisk with all my email. since all data is saved in one file, one corrupted byte will, worst-case, deny me access to all my important stuff (remember DoubleSpace?). same goes for a wrong press on 'del'. PGPdisk is useful, in my opinion, for use on a laptop whilst *transporting* datafiles. perhaps you should look into SecureBat for ultimate security? i think i have a tendency to go off-topic on this list, apologies :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO9/Hz0tQMadp+KslEQICVwCeLfiPF7kyVKD4je2oqxiJkX8gC1EAoK0V Hfl6TmlROIV4Dsr7EDg55f/X =mu8X -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Archiving messages and attachments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 31 oktober 2001 schreef Joseph N.: I am assuming the following, but please let me know if this is correct or not. I am assuming that incoming attachments will continue to be stored in the archived Unix-style files even after the related messages are deleted from TB!'s mailbox folders. I am also assuming that outgoing attachments will not be stored in the Unix-style archive after the file (which was attached) is independently deleted from my system. if you've EXPORTED your messages outside your message base, i do not think there is any reason for TB to delete messages there you've put them in a different directory, right? Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO+AnlUtQMadp+KslEQKQiACfXGmmt1pFQ1lmbhrg9OGzCO0dkmoAoLUR vWa/+6NF7sX3PYcCmH999Nxw =N4JI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Expand/Collapse Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op maandag 24 september 2001 schreef Dierk Haasis: I like the idea of viewing messages by threads especially within users groups like this but is there a context menu or function key to toggle Expand and Collapse of same? Expand: Yes, Collapse: Sadly No. a workaround to collapse (nearly) *all* threads easily is to press Alt+0, Alt+1 this switches between unthreaded and threaded mode, and as a side-effect closes all threads (insert correct threading mode of course, see menu View View Threads by for details), except for the thread you happen to have focus on. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO671CMxmXGfKa+lHEQLzAgCfcTtFRXm4XWxT9H5+GuV2HaJ8I8kAoOiP 1mqdzvalyFMG1mmP4b6FpMcN =+HdN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Invalid signature?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op donderdag 13 september 2001 schreef Leif Gregory: But to answer your question, the signature is from a X.509 certificate issued through Thawte, and is more or less a digital signature saying the message came from me (or at least my machine), and that nothing was altered in the message. leif, i saw you were using *both* the PGP and the S/MIME signature. isn't that rather an overkill? and, of the 7435 bytes of your original message 3125 bytes were taken up by that S/MIME signature. that is over 40% in this particular case, which was a rather long mail. i find that number ridiculous, which is my general argument against using S/MIME for signing messages. in my opinion the PGP signature is cleaner and smaller (and inline! didn't list policy dictate 'no attachments'?), so that one is and always will be my favorite. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO6D6EcxmXGfKa+lHEQLs+wCgw7XgaMtscEW9gSoo0MJ+tzkMIUUAnRy4 G2OhRfhn9orU9j/c1wIrSbIA =W5PG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Images in HTML emails?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 5 september 2001 schreef Thomas F: Hi Mrten, On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:54:12 +0200GMT (05/09/2001, 07:54 +0800GMT), Mrten wrote: M an useful tip i don't remember who came from: set the width of the M memo-column to 6, and make sure you enter a '!' as the first character M of every memo. Why the ! ? Well, since the memo-view is a tiny bit crippled, it's a way to differentiate in the message-view between messages that have and messages that have not a memo attached. Attachments were no good here i think, let me post a link with a screenshot: http://famke.gimmie.tudelft.nl/mrten/bat.png as you can see there is a ! in the column when there is an attachment, and it is empty when there is none. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5XmZcxmXGfKa+lHEQKi6gCdF+C3VgAzSpDjVP3C6a0wXh513o0AoLjC PoliFv0ZmECNVBDSeE/eV/m8 =rLEB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[3]: Images in HTML emails?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 5 september 2001 schreef Jason Palmgren: have you found the memo-view (ctrl-shift-i) already? it's like a little post-it! you can attach to emails.. it takes a bit getting used to, but i find it very handy. I'm a bit confused. When I try to use the (ctrl-shift-i) command nothing happens. Am I missing something? Sounds like a cool feature, but I'm having no luck with it...? Another way to access this function: In the main menu, go the 'view' with your mouse, and select 'memo auto-view'. see http://famke.gimmie.tudelft.nl/mrten/memo.png Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5XpHMxmXGfKa+lHEQIE+wCbBJI1XOr7xnakymc4zvC/0NTtcf0AoLhv sFM21+d5YXc1kyy1wtVakisg =hYGE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: More on Outbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 5 september 2001 schreef Andrew Hodgson: This seems very strange, but right mouse on message and delete doesn't work, del doesn't work, can think of any other way to get rid of message! that is because the message is 'parked'. you can drag the message from the outbox to 'trash' which is the safest option (and click a dialog box away), or you might click on the hourglass-like icon to 'unpark' the message and then immediately press 'delete'. i've heard people tell tales that between the 'unpark' and the 'delete' action the message got sent, so go with the first option! Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5aRnsxmXGfKa+lHEQIC4wCffhciMdelPNhDzOajL9jMO47tFFEAn3EH 6b4y8/FTTbvOWAX0l+saxXoL =YH4P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: pgp/gnupg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op dinsdag 4 september 2001 schreef Dierk Haasis: 1. Since all encrypted messages have to be decrypted to be read, every crypto scheme has weaknesses. With advanced computer power it is possible to create keys that are virtually unbreakable. that's a tight corner to pull; *because* there is decryption *there must be* weaknesses? (are we off-topic yet?) 7. The other way is to get hold of the keys (especially the private one) *and* the passphrase of its owner. well, that *and* was not a necessity; there was a flaw in the definition of the private keyring (the file containing the private keys), so that the passphrase was not necessary to sign messages. see http://www.i.cz/en/pdf/openPGP_attack_ENGvktr.pdf for details (cool math revealing the inner workings of PGP!) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5TWhcxmXGfKa+lHEQIPEwCg5+XTfydZoJ2qns1cfSvzrYEs++4AoJem SN9deVUHNtaA6KKiGBnhr5wG =O8Sp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Images in HTML emails?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 to the moderators: I sent this the first time with the wrong account selected. there is no need to allow that one through to the list as there is no other information! apologies, i'll go to bed now. M. Op woensdag 5 september 2001 schreef Jason Palmgren: I am a newbie here. Sorry if this has been covered. very recently... however, as many replies probably will tell you: How can I switch the settings so that images in the HTML emails *ARE* displayed? as long as the images aren't sent along with the email, there is no option available to make the images visible. thabat! will not, ever, fetch images mentioned in an HTML img tag from a server with http. trust me, that is a very big PLUS for your privacy. I know that this is undesirable to some people, but I use images in emails to help me remember the content of the message. For me it is just a mental trigger. have you found the memo-view (ctrl-shift-i) already? it's like a little post-it! you can attach to emails.. it takes a bit getting used to, but i find it very handy. an useful tip i don't remember who came from: set the width of the memo-column to 6, and make sure you enter a '!' as the first character of every memo. you can choose columns in the message-list by right-clicking on the column-headers there (i must be off to bed now, i'm not able to construct semantically correct english anymore :). have a good time! Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5VdMcxmXGfKa+lHEQJjWwCfVDP4bgHxnJNlrE+Ui17lrlIKLHEAn2uf 0ocSELT5k2ZWvlsqKTD4x0Mi =hF+E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: How to MOVE folders?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 5 september 2001 schreef Jason Palmgren: I would like to move my The Bat folder from the default folder into another sub-folder. How is this done? to change the order in which the folders (inbox, outbox, sent) are presented to you: press 'alt', then drag the folder. if you meant to move the directory where the mail is kept for one account: under 'account properties' (ctrl-shift-p), files directories, there is a possibility to change the directory for the account. the default for this is set in the general preferences (options, preferences, system). general suggestion: you should try to navigate through all menus at least once. it's like getting to know a new house, with all the cracks and cravices that are there. thebat! really has a LOAD of features that you will never explore otherwise. you'll remember more of them if you find the features yourself! Mrten. ps. really, i'll go to bed now. have to remove that cat from my bed though. hmmm... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5VglcxmXGfKa+lHEQI42wCg5siXIfTNAIfsIhuzzKk8jnTqD9oAoMTq vSazcW+hs8h9SZs6Ver9V1pI =2Yu7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Images in HTML emails?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 5 september 2001 schreef Jason Palmgren: I am a newbie here. Sorry if this has been covered. very recently, however, as many replies probably will tell you: How can I switch the settings so that images in the HTML emails *ARE* displayed? as long as the images aren't sent along with the email, there is no option available to make the images visible. thabat! will not, ever, fetch images mentioned in an HTML img tag from a server. trust me, that is a very big PLUS for your privacy. I know that this is undesirable to some people, but I use images in emails to help me remember the content of the message. For me it is just a mental trigger. have you found the memo-view (ctrl-shift-i) already? it's like a little post-it! you can attach to emails.. it takes a bit getting used to, but i find it very handy. an useful tip i don't remember who came from: set the width of the memo-column to 6, and make sure you enter a '!' as the first character of every memo. you can choose columns in the message-list by right-clicking on the column-headers there (i must be off to bed now, i'm not able to construct semantically correct english anymore :). have a good time! Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5VbmcxmXGfKa+lHEQJoHQCfcAcKd4fBoXFnfaPgi3XGHrjhKlMAn1yH wSJtsSpngq36ozqp0QSJCwB+ =0glX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[3]: pgp/gnupg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op maandag 3 september 2001 schreef ::Andrew::: Hello Dierk, thanks for this very helpful. Do I need a particular version of pgp so it will work seamlessly with TB. i'm using version 6.5i and it gives me no problems whatsoever. my guess is that 6.5.x versions shouldn't give any problems. don't try to use the 7.0.x builds as there is no bat! plugin (see downloads-area at www.ritlabs.com). Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5PiCcxmXGfKa+lHEQKw4ACePf9a9Wevd/FEnq/flvMMw43wjE8AmgPx NhJScEgYlaqFpvsyPSWCdw8U =ca/j -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[5]: pgp/gnupg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op dinsdag 4 september 2001 schreef ::Andrew::: I'm also not clear where the pgp dll's have to be put.. put it in the thebat!-directory, that's c:\program files\the bat!\ with me.. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5P3DMxmXGfKa+lHEQL+1gCffqZPGiLkWiOCETKItd8m1figrBEAoJh7 Nq+wuSSdvtQedKearcEIZNJY =CA9T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[5]: pgp/gnupg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op dinsdag 4 september 2001 schreef ::Andrew::: 'Versions of PGP later than 6.5.3 may be downloaded from anywhere in the world since US export restrictions were lifted from these versions.' do we think this is because they've been weakened in some way? you might be paranoid enough to think that is so, and there are people that still use pgp 2.x for that very reason. the clinton administration lifted the export restrictions on cryptography at that time, so that's the reason you can download it from the USA now when you're not actually IN the states. the source-code is available for all versions up to 6.5.x (x=3, i think) so you can verify for yourself, if you want, that there are no secret backdoors. however, the 7.0.x sourcecode WAS NOT completely published, which made some people think that 7.0 could have some of those hyper-sekrit rear-entry snoop-your-password entrypoints. but for that same very reason there is no pgp-plugin for thebat!, so you needn't worry about them backdoors anyway. moral of the story: if you want complete secrecy, you have to check and compile all the programs you use yourself (including the compiler and OS that is!). i've got a story about that one as well, but that's for a later time :) sleep well folks, Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5P/LsxmXGfKa+lHEQLBMACg7gFHDx0D5EZ5pPcKxBnXiKHvRhcAn0K/ FXOSfS9p+Nc7sxW2jBBarozy =Hvhl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[5]: pgp/gnupg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op dinsdag 4 september 2001 schreef Carren: I am a real PGP newbie and I too use TB! I am using the free version of PGP and do not have any problems combining the two. The PGP tray/current window controls are simple to use and right at your fingertips. While plugins might be a welcome luxury to some, in my opinion they would be only minimally quicker. i find it cumbersome to have to press a special key-combination every single time i want to sign or encrypt an email. it is too easy to forget, it is too easy to make a mistake. call me lazy if you want, but i think that ease-of-use is a necessity for an 'extension' as PGP to attract users (not too many of course, or PGP will be an illegal 'extension' before you know it!) for myself, i do not think that i write email that contains enough sekrits to warrant encryption (which is, in effect, impossible for a list like this). for single receivers as well i find it really too much trouble to encrypt messages. though it's nice to have the option, of course. i do like to sign my messages, as a gesture to the receiver, so that he/she can check if he/she wishes that the information in the message has not been tampered with. some people complain about the signing, which proves that you can't please everybody. i am very happy that i just have to set an option which makes my emails signed by default. a little more work at the beginning makes a lot less work in the end. that said; to each his own of course. The lack of plugins is certainly *not* a good reason (or any reason) *not* to use TB! that was not what i was advocating nor what Andrew was suggesting. since there is a plugin for 6.5.x however, this is really a moot point :) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5QKYsxmXGfKa+lHEQJARQCg6smC5F0kBHASn8A/2fNZBA5KOmYAn2Gq mHR1bpuf09kHSJfEjmbZxFGi =VWEM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
combining two POPs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hello, is it possible to (temporary) combine two POP3 accounts into one thebat! account? i've got two places to pick up mail from (i can't forward one to the other, difficult provider problems), but i don't want to bother with two thebat! accounts, since i'm used to use only one. what i've done now is create a second account and a filter which moves the new messages to the other account there: BeginFilter Name: New rule Active: 1 Source: \\mrten-dop\Inbox Target: \\Mrten\Inbox CopyFolder: \\\none MainSet: 01fyhrtyetydrtydrtyndtry Actions: faoContinueProcessing [snipped some for brevity] EndFilter however, this leaves the messages unfiltered in the first inbox! is there a way to activate the filters there besides clicking refilter messages all the time? tnx, Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO41URcxmXGfKa+lHEQIO+gCfWDyqipONcIKfAumaZvzxLaQpmf8AoJI7 cwrBt9zw3tn0uTi4/Xny+A+l =/QJu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello The Bat! developers TBUDL, i'm cc'ing this to tbudl as it seems quite relevant to the thread 'bye bye bat' currently at hand; I'm using The Bat! Version 1.53o Serial Number 03240C1C under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 and would like to report a bug The bug description: sometimes, quite at random, thebat! seems to forget a few settings i have made in 'account properties'. under transport: '8 bits char treatment' resets itself to 'base64'; under mail management: 'leave mail on server' doesn't change, however 'keep mail on server for x days' resets to off, and 'delete messages when removed from trash' resets to off as well; under options': 'check mailbox at startup' resets to off, 'periodical check' resets to off, 'mark message as read after displaying for x sec' resets to off, 'enable S/MIME' sets itself to on, and 'sign messages' resets to off. this has happened quite a few times now (about once every few days on avereage). it is quite annoying, especially the resetting of '8 bits char treated as bas64' setting, because emails with an 8 bit char in it appear as unreadable garbage (well, not unreadable, but you'll catch my drift) to my recipients. i have two accounts, and the settings reset at the same time for both accounts. i'm sorry that i can't offer any more details. Steps to reproduce the bug: that would be difficult to list since it happens randomly. Regards, Mrten -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO492/cxmXGfKa+lHEQKGmACgjg4nBnIJijUuYbRroJMHjXzxAywAoIPU K1ocyePBsN+F265YADSk4Swg =TIKI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
combining two POPs
hello, is it possible to (temporary) combine two POP3 accounts into one thebat! account? i've got two places to pick up mail from (i can't forward one to the other, difficult provider problems), but i don't want to bother with two thebat! accounts, since i'm used to use only one. what i've done now is create a second account and a filter which moves the new messages to the other account there: BeginFilter Name: New rule Active: 1 Source: \\mrten-dop\Inbox Target: \\Mrten\Inbox CopyFolder: \\\none MainSet: 01fyhrtyetydrtydrtyndtry Actions: faoContinueProcessing [snipped some for brevity] EndFilter however, this leaves the messages unfiltered in the first inbox! is there a way to activate the filters there besides clicking refilter messages all the time? tnx, Mrten. (bat 1.53o) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
