Re: Make IMAP in The Bat iPad-Like?
A Bat-fellow, Thomas Fernandez, wrote in mid:1604267480.20120917212...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de on Monday, 17th September 2012 at 21:29:11 (GMT +0700), which was 16:29 in Bratislava -- The POP3 protocol does not know already downloaded It sure seems to know it when it comes to the interaction between the POP3 Bat and Gmail. :-o Like Stuart suggested, maybe there is some peculiarity causing this. For many years now, I have been leaving all messages on the server, so it's not because any message is deleted on the server before the second Bat gets a chance to download it. Nope, the message is there, but the second POP3 Bat somehow detects it had already been downloaded by the first POP3 Bat, and skips it. It worked both ways for me when I tested it: no matter if the desktop PC or the notebook PC happened to be the first or the second POP3 Bat to download a message (while both Bats were set to leave messages on the server). As to the interaction between the POP3 Bat and IMAP smartphones, there is no problem. (Apart from the inconvenience of messages already-read on the smartphone appearing as unread when downloaded by the POP3 Bat, the lost mark-up of messages flagged on the smartphone, etc.) Well, for now I have switched to the IMAP Bat on the notebook, while keeping the POP3 Bat on my main computer, and the weeks and months to come will -- if nothing else -- give me the opportunity to observe and compare how The Bat behaves in both environments. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 4.2.44.2 under Windows 7 64-bit 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 AMD Athlon II X4 645 @ 3.10 GHz 8 GB RAM] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Make IMAP in The Bat iPad-Like?
A Bat-fellow, MFPA, wrote in mid:559391890.20120915140549@my_localhost on Saturday, 15th September 2012 at 14:05:49 (GMT +0100), which was 15:05 in Bratislava -- It started interfering with the original POP3 version of The Bat! on my main PC, though How was it interfering? Depending on which POP3 copy of The Bat! happened to download a particular message first, it was then skipped by the other POP3 copy of the Bat. For example, you wrote your message at 15:05. If my first Bat downloaded that message at 15:06, it would no longer be downloaded by the other Bat at 15:07. I suppose the first Bat marked the message on the server as already downloaded, so the second Bat ignored it. Of course, I don't want this: I want to have all messages downloaded in my primary Bat, regardless of whether they have already been downloaded previously by a secondary Bat. Could this be rectified in the account settings while still using POP? I can't find any such setting in The Bat!. If you find it, please let me know. Perhaps this cannot be accomplished via POP3. :-/ I read somewhere that the [Gmail]/All Mail folder is an extra copy of all the messages in all other folders Exactly. So for a Gmail account where I have 150 thousand messages, the IMAP Bat indicates that there are 300 thousand messages. Everything is doubled, so you have constant double vision. Particularly annoying is that even if you mark a message as Read in the main Inbox folder of an IMAP account, it could pop up again as Unread under the All Messages label after you press The Bat's Ctrl+Arrow keyboard shortcut to move to the Next Unread Message. And it's not a matter of seconds to rectify this. You can mark a message as Read 5 times, and it might pop right back again 5 times as Unread. It can sometimes take a minute or two until the Unread label really sticks (in *all* folders/labels). So basically I find The Bat unusable right now on that notebook -- the POP3 version of The Bat works excellent as ever, but it interferes with the primary Bat. Whereas the IMAP version of The Bat is just an exercise in frustration. so not synchronising that folder halves the amount to download. Yes, but this may be the issue: I can see no setting for The Bat's IMAP folders where you could set a folder to not synchronize. The only IMAP folder options available right now (in version 5.2) are Skip during regular checks, Skip for Download All Mail command and Download only message headers. In my experience, though, this does not prevent those folders from getting synchronized and downloading all those dozens of thousands of message headers anyway. I set all folders to download only message headers, but even so, the lags and overall slowness are there. A useful IMAP option for The Bat folders would be a checkbox saying: Don't synchronize this folder. On the same folder preferences tab, there could be another setting similar to the one on the iPad iPhone: Synchronize only the most recent messages On the iPad iPhone, you can choose between 250, 500, or 1000 most recent messages, and even after I enabled 1000 everywhere, the Mail app is very fast, with no lagging to speak of, unlike the IMAP Bat, where you're struggling with lags constantly. I'm sure if I could instruct the IMAP Bat to synchronize only the most recent 1000 messages in the Inbox (and perhaps also Sent Outbox) folders, then the IMAP Bat would probably be as lightning-fast as the POP3 Bat! -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 4.2.44.2 under Windows 7 64-bit 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 AMD Athlon II X4 645 @ 3.10 GHz 8 GB RAM] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Make IMAP in The Bat iPad-Like?
A Bat-fellow, Stuart Cuddy, wrote in mid:blu0-smtp1531032868412497f7ab672dd...@phx.gbl on Saturday, 15th September 2012 at 17:39:27 (GMT -0500), which was Sunday, 0:39 a.m. in Bratislava -- so not synchronising that folder halves the amount to download. Yes, but this may be the issue: I can see no setting for The Bat's IMAP folders where you could set a folder to not synchronize. Right Click on the name of the account and select Manage IMAP folders. Many thanks, that's great! It's also under the top menu Account - IMAP Commands - Manage IMAP folders. I somehow missed it there despite browsing through the menus repeatedly, and never tried directly right-clicking in the account tree, where the command is more visible (un-nested). I still think including a Stop synchronizing checkbox on the Folder Properties tab might also be a good idea. Sometimes you may want to see an overview of all folders via Manage IMAP folders (but it also takes time until that overview is downloaded from the server), but at other times, when you simply wish to stop/pause synchronizing a particular folder, it might be quicker just to right-click the folder and tick a Stop/Pause synchronizing check-box. Plus, as suggested before, besides the 3 currently available options, an additional 4th option (iPad-like) might really be useful: * Headers only * Headers and Textual Parts * Entire messages --- Apply choice to _ most recent messages The default might be all messages, but the user could input a number like 500 or 1000. I just don't need to see hundreds of thousands of email headers from previous decades on an SSD disk where empty space is still at a premium, and displaying and browsing such gigantic folders is probably just slowing down The Bat. I'm now going to drastically cut down on the number of subscribed folders to see if it makes any difference on the overall speed and usability of the IMAP Bat. :-) -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 4.2.44.2 under Windows 7 64-bit 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 AMD Athlon II X4 645 @ 3.10 GHz 8 GB RAM] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Make IMAP in The Bat iPad-Like?
Dear Bat-fellows, Can you tweak the IMAP mode in The Bat so that it behaves like the iPad's Mail client, downloading only the most recent 1000 messages, rather than all the hundreds of thousands (!) of messages from previous years, in dozens of folders? I've been a TB afficionado since the 1990s and Version 1, and I can't seriously consider any other software for conclusively dealing with my daily load of hundreds of emails. In recent years, though, I've started using the iPhone iPad to deal with less lengthy emails (one-liners and such) in the course of the day, using TB! typically only once a day at the end of the working hours, dealing with any detailed messages that need to be written and that it would be too awkward to type on the iPad or iPhone. I've stuck to the POP3 mode in The Bat! throughout all these years, although I use IMAP on the iPad and iPhone, of course. Recently, however, I have purchased a MacBook Air, and since I also need to use Windows software on it, I have installed Windows 7 via Parallels Desktop to MBA, and The Bat! 5.2 on top of that. It all works very smoothly, without a hitch: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10440809/misc/The_Bat_on_MacBook.png (The Mac OS Dock auto-hides and I only called it up for the screenshot to illustrate the seamless integration of TB! into the Mac environment.) To be more precise, the smoothness was there when I tried the POP3 version. It started interfering with the original POP3 version of The Bat! on my main PC, though, so I deleted everything on the MacBook and started again from scratch, setting up my accounts as IMAP. The results are as feared: frustrating to use, clumsy, slow, processes hanging in the background all the time, lack of response even when manually attempting to refresh a folder or load a message; you just end up staring at an empty preview pane for a minute or two. It's actually faster for me to open a message via Gmail's webmail in Opera than to wait for it to be finally displayed in the IMAP Bat. No comparison to the ease of use and swiftness, lightning-like, with which The Bat operates in the POP3 mode. The Connection Centre seems useless in the IMAP mode, because it just constantly shows dozens of processes running in the background, but you have no idea what is really going on, and how long you will still need to wait until a particular message is displayed. Extremely frustrating is also that, when using the keyboard shortcuts for moving to the next/previous unread message, I keep landing in Gmail's Spam folders that I otherwise would never have visited. This renders the keyboard shortcuts next to unusable, and the overall experience with the IMAP Bat highly frustrating. I have only set up 4 of my Gmail accounts in The Bat, but it's already too much to handle, whereas my POP3 Bat manages a dozen accounts with ease lightning-fast. I will appreciate if some of you will let me know how to limit the number of messages to be downloaded by The Bat via IMAP to only the 1000 most recent messages, and how to make The Bat ignore all the IMAP folders except the Inboxes (and perhaps a few others I might specify). It's a sad state of affairs when it's actually preferable to use primitive email software such as Mail in iOS, because despite being primitive, it causes less frustration and less loss of time to the user than a full-featured email client of The Bat's caliber in IMAP mode. (And, oh yes, I also tried Mac OS's native Mail client -- just as unusable, with similar hanging issues to The Bat in IMAP mode, minus all The Bat's great features, so I won't be using Mail at all on the MacBook.) -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 4.2.44.2 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601Service Pack 1] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail issues (re-opened)
A Bat-fellow, Jack S. LaRosa, wrote in mid:111247957.20110812102...@charter.net on Friday, 12th August 2011 at 10:21:51 (GMT -0500), which was 17:21 in Bratislava -- The other day I noticed the following: When I reply (usually via f4), the reply is addressed to, for example: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com That will always bounce. However, if I change the reply addressee to msn...@gmail.com the e-mail message will travel smoothly to its destination. I don't see any difference in the two addresses. Am I missing something? I can confirm issues in this vein, although they're not too frequent for me, fortunately. Sometimes it does happen that a message will bounce if it's rather elaborately addressed in the TO field. But when you re-send the same message using only the recipient's email address and nothing else in the TO field, then the message will go through successfully. I suppose there are 3 ways the above address could appear in the TO field in the email's headers: To: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com To: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com To: msn...@gmail.com Only the last option of these 3 is *really* safe to go through. Some folks are crazy and put all sorts of things in their Reply-to field that don't really belong there, which then results in addresses such as: Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician lat...@grave.com Now when you attempt to reply to an address like that, The Bat! displays it as follows in the TO field in the Editor window: \Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician\ lat...@grave.com Lots of ugly escape characters to look at; such things should be hidden from the user's eye. And, that's nothing compared to the goulash that actually gets sent in the email's header, where the above might look something like this: To: =?utf-8?Q?=22Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician=22?= lat...@grave.com If you think *that's* messy, just write to someone whose name contains a diacritic letter... *then* things start getting *really* messy, and the TO filed in the email's headers becomes next to impossible to parse with human eye. Under such circumstances, I'm not surprised some messages containing headers like that get falsely labelled as spam. To avoid these problems, you might want to use only the recipient's address, and nothing else, in the TO field; I sometimes manually delete everything else that's in there, to make sure the message goes through without any delivery problems. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 4.2.44.2 under Windows 7 64-bit 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 AMD Athlon II X4 645 @ 3.10 GHz 8 GB RAM] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Keyboard Shortcuts Customization, No Smilies After Upgrade
A Bat-fellow, Roger Phillips, wrote in mid:1856529699.20091005113...@dbnmail.co.za on Monday, 5th October 2009 at 11:31:02 (GMT +0200), which was ditto in Bratislava -- * I can no longer edit keyboard shortcuts. If I attempt to do so and confirm the change, the window immediately disappears and the change is NOT saved. All shortcuts appear to be frozen from the 4.0.38 status. This has already been reported as a bug. Hopefully it will have been corrected in the next beta. It *is* corrected, thank heavens. Thanks to the help from the guys in the Czech Bat! list, I was given the suggestion to try the latest Beta version, 4.2.10.12, and keyboard shortcuts editing works again. Hooray! However, as to smileys, these still aren't displayed, despite identical settings the presence of the IMAGES folder, as compared to version 3.xx, which is the last time I ever saw smileys displayed here. (Admittedly, a cosmetic issue compared to the keyboard shortcuts.) -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 4.2.10.12 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 amd athlon 2400 mhz 704 mb ram] Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Keyboard Shortcuts Customization, No Smilies After Upgrade
A Bat-fellow, myself, wrote in mid:373027348.20091005120...@avenarius.sk on Monday, 5th October 2009 at 12:01:54 (GMT +0200) -- However, as to smileys, these still aren't displayed, despite identical settings the presence of the IMAGES folder, as compared to version 3.xx, which is the last time I ever saw smileys displayed here. It looks like this may have been caused by a conflict in versions, too. Believe it or not, the smileys are *slowly* coming back. :-O I wouldn't have thought this possible, but right now in *some* emails, the smileys aren't displayed, and in other emails (like this one I'm currently composing), they are displayed OK. Well... anyway... my warm recommendations to everyone to upgrade to the 4.2.10.12 Beta version, as it seems to have worked wonders on my computer, compared to the most recent regular release, 4.2.10.1, where I could neither see any smileys, nor edit any keyboard shortcuts... -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 4.2.10.12 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Intel Core2 T5600 @ 1.83GHz 1GB RAM] Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
No Keyboard Shortcuts Customization, No Smilies After Upgrade
Hello, I have just upgraded to the current version of The Bat, 4.2.10.1, from 4.0.38. After upgrade, the following 2 main bugs occur: * I can no longer edit keyboard shortcuts. If I attempt to do so and confirm the change, the window immediately disappears and the change is NOT saved. All shortcuts appear to be frozen from the 4.0.38 status. * Smilies do not get displayed, even after activating them the rich-text viewer. They are present in the standard The Bat! directory in Program Files. I will appreciate any help. Customizable keyboard shortcuts are essential for me, and a show-stopper in case they aren't available in the new version. I would need to downgrade. Thank you very much for any suggestions. -- Yours, Alex. www.avenarius.sk [processed by The Bat!, Version 4.2.10.1] Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MicroEd vs Plain text
A Bat-fellow, Paul Meathrel, wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wednesday, 22nd March 2006 at 18:02:30 (GMT), which was 19:02 in Bratislava -- So here's the question, what are the benefits of MicroEd as compared with the Plain text editor? In one word, wysiwyg. Using MicroEd, you're guaranteed that what you see on your screen as you type your message, will be delivered looking exactly the same to all recipients of your message, irrespectively of what software they use for reading their email. This is a dream come true that can never come true in web design, for example. No matter if you adhere to all standards or not, not everyone will see your webpage in exactly the way you want them to see it. In contrast, when composing a message in The Bat's MicroEd editor, you can be sure it will be displayed for all of your recipients in exactly the same way you're composing it. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 3.65.01 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 amd athlon 2400 mhz 704 mb ram] Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shortcuts not saved
A Bat-fellow, Philippe Macaire, wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sunday, 19th March 2006 at 23:47:03 (GMT +0100), which was ditto in Bratislava -- since I upgraded to 3.71.03, it seems some of my shortcuts are not saved. [...] Before this last upgrade I had no problems with such shortcuts. Did anyone experienced a similar behavior? Yes, I lost all of my shortcuts when I upgraded to my current TB! version, from another recent 3.x version. Next time, just manually back up the drive:\Documents and Settings\You\Application Data\The Bat!\tbuser.DEF file prior to upgrading, to avoid trouble in having to re-create some or all of your keyboard shortcuts. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 3.65.01 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 amd athlon 2400 mhz 704 mb ram] Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need macro for settin editor
A Bat-fellow, WilWilWil, wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wednesday, 1st March 2006 at 20:40:21 (GMT +0100), which was ditto in Bratislava -- Other macro needed : I have to keep the original subject when I reply a mail but have to add some text : ex : Re : original subject+ additional text. I use %OSUBJ but how to add text Re before, and additional text after ? %SUBJECT=Re: %OSUBJECT + additional text or %SUBJECT=%RECOUNT%OSUBJECT + additional text -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 3.65.01 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 amd athlon 2400 mhz 704 mb ram] Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: character sets in MicroEd?
A Bat-fellow, Thomas Fernandez, wrote on Monday, 5th September 2005 at 08:53:45 (GMT +0700), which was 3:53 a.m. in Bratislava, Slovakia -- I thought there was a macro to change the charset (and you could use it in conjunction with IF and OCHARSET), but I cannot find that macro in the help right now. %Charset=ISO-8859-1 Are you sure a macro like %OCharset exists, Thomas? I can't see anything like that here in 2.12. If it does exist, might the correct syntax for Paul's purposes be the following? %IF:%OCharset=gb2312:%Charset='ISO-8859-1' -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 amd athlon 2400 mhz 704 mb ram] Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Keyboard shortcuts bug: Show Header Pane in Folder View
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 2.04.4 Serial Number B8EEA39B under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 and would like to report a bug The bug description: Even after you change the keyboard shortcut for displaying the Message Header Pane in Folder View from the default CTRL+SHIFT+H to whatever (I wanted it to be CTRL+H), this shortcut always returns to the default CTRL+SHIFT+H after you close and re-open this particular or any other Folder View. The same happens after program re-start. The bug does not apply to The Bat!'s main window where it is possible to change the default CTRL+SHIFT+H to whatever. Steps to reproduce the bug: Open any message in Folder View. Try to change the keyboard shortcut for Main Menu -- View -- Message Header -- Show. This is possible and the new keyboard shortcut works, but only until you close that particular Folder View. After that the keyboard shortcut is back to default. It's possible to modify other keyboard shortcuts in Folder View, but this particular one with Show-Header-Pane (CTRL+SHIFT+H) appears un-modifiable. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 2.04.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 amd athlon 2400 mhz 192 mb ram] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
