Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello tbudl, I've worked on creating a signature and formatting to an e-mail that heavily relies on the courier font but then realized not everyone who gets my message might have courier installed or worst yet simply wish to view their text only in a variable sized width. Is their any way to override their settings and get my message displayed in a fixed width? I know not every one who works with e-mail uses the bat! Thanks and Happy 2003! - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhMEQF3LB35+TCg0EQIaNwCfUMaHQR3lepTBO8k3pF2DFyhwdh0An1ha 13CFToDjDv4kIOMt//nEiC// =YTif -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
Hallo Victor B. Gonzalez, am Mittwoch, 1. Januar 2003 schriebst Du: Is their any way to override their settings and get my message displayed in a fixed width? Well, you need an answer for every mail program out there separately, I think. There's no way to do it in my old mail program, YAM, which is of course not very wide spread. HTH -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel - http://www.kuschelkirche.de/ - http://www.kuschelchaos.de/ Ev. Kirchengemeinde Gochsheim - http://www.stmichael-gochsheim.de/ AMIGAplus: alles für die Freundin - http://www.amigaplus.de/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] wrote:'
VBG I've worked on creating a signature and formatting to an e-mail
VBG that heavily relies on the courier font but then realized not
VBG everyone who gets my message might have courier installed or
VBG worst yet simply wish to view their text only in a variable
VBG sized width.
VBG Is their any way to override their settings and get my message
VBG displayed in a fixed width?
cough An HTML formatted message would be your friend here since
you can define your font face and size through HTML. /cough ;)
This is one useful advantage of HTML. However, this sort of control
is most often imposed on the recipient when unwelcome but I can
certainly appreciate your need for it under the circumstances you've
given.
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Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Allie Martin wrote... VBG I've worked on creating a signature and formatting to an e-mail VBG that heavily relies on the courier font [..] VBG Is their any way to override their settings and get my message VBG displayed in a fixed width? cough An HTML formatted message would be your friend here since you can define your font face and size through HTML. /cough ;) Not 100% true... you still require the font to be on the other persons computer, and you still require them to read your emails as HTML :) Of course, with courier the chances of it not being there is very slim, but as with TB, you can force mail to appear in just plain text alone. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPhMlnCuD6BT4/R9zEQLR0QCgzufSi0/Vpg0nW9gd41LxeMHx0QAAnihB 9uliQtveoOOJ7d0r0v8EVGTG =uUIA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote:'
JA Not 100% true... you still require the font to be on the other
JA persons computer, and you still require them to read your emails
JA as HTML :) Of course, with courier the chances of it not being
JA there is very slim, but as with TB, you can force mail to appear
JA in just plain text alone.
Thanks for clarifying those shortcomings which I agree with but
failed to mention myself. :)
In the end, specific instructions would likely be needed if you wish
to reach all audiences.
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Re[2]: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, JA Not 100% true... you still require the font to be on the other JA persons computer, and you still require them to read your emails JA as HTML :) Of course, with courier the chances of it not being JA there is very slim, but as with TB, you can force mail to appear JA in just plain text alone. I cannot edit rich mail in tb am I correct? I completely understand the font will not be on all computers but the only type of font needed is a *fixed width font* to be displayed with respect to my layout. AM Thanks for clarifying those shortcomings which I agree with but AM failed to mention myself. :) AM In the end, specific instructions would likely be needed if you wish AM to reach all audiences. I can compose HTML mail with another client and send it over to the bat, archive it and redirect it from there? It will still remain its formatting in HTML correct? Also what is the average size of an HTML letter that will not get heated the text only enthusiast? I know its a matter of taste and opinion but average? - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhMvYF3LB35+TCg0EQLDYQCeJfpqLwel1jdF5RE6ZL4fLrQXhRkAn3VH kKMAf532j9lDhbKrDB+La//x =I/LW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 'Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?'
JA Not 100% true... you still require the font to be on the other JA persons computer, and you still require them to read your emails JA as HTML :) Thanks for clarifying those shortcomings which I agree with but failed to mention myself. :) Of course, you could always (if you can afford it) produce the output in a PDF format with embedded fonts. That way, what you see is more likely to be what is going to come out on the other end. Unfortunately Acrobat isn't cheap, there probably are some 'freeware' or 'cheaper' versions floating about though. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 'Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?'
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote:'
JA Of course, you could always (if you can afford it) produce the
JA output in a PDF format with embedded fonts. That way, what you
JA see is more likely to be what is going to come out on the other
JA end. Unfortunately Acrobat isn't cheap, there probably are some
JA 'freeware' or 'cheaper' versions floating about though.
PDF Factory - $69.95
http://www.fineprint.com/products/pdffactory/index.html
Ghost Script - Free but the learning curve heavy the last time I
tried it.
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/
PDF is a nice open format for this, yes. So is HTML. :)
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Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] wrote:'
VBG I cannot edit rich mail in tb am I correct?
Yes you are.
VBG I completely understand the font will not be on all computers
VBG but the only type of font needed is a *fixed width font* to be
VBG displayed with respect to my layout.
That's right, but it's really a long shot that your target audience
wouldn't have courier on their computers. It's a very basic font.
VBG I can compose HTML mail with another client and send it over to
VBG the bat, archive it and redirect it from there? It will still
VBG remain its formatting in HTML correct?
Yes.
VBG Also what is the average size of an HTML letter that will not
VBG get heated the text only enthusiast? I know its a matter of
VBG taste and opinion but average?
If it's HTML only, then the impact on size can be very modest
indeed. Especially if the HTML is just for plain text without fancy
stuff like tables etc.
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Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
On Wednesday, January 01, 2003 Allie Martin stated: AM cough An HTML formatted message would be your friend here since AM you can define your font face and size through HTML. /cough ;) I am not an advocate of bloatTML in email. If you have such a strictly formatted message to put out, and HTML is the only way to maintain the format, then put it on a web page and mail the URL to your recipients. You have a better chance of it being unchanged then. We had a problem at work with people sending out 2-3MB attachments to large aliases via email. We (the system administrators) kept advising against this since a 2MB email sent to 100 people became a 200+MB file storage problem. The senior staff (CEO and VP's) finally stepped in to assist after their mail server crashed and was down for a few hours. Now the big files are put in a single (read-only) webpage and a 100byte email is sent announcing the update and its location. Cheers \\' Running TB! version 1.62 Christmas Edition under Windows 2000 5.0 on a 500mhz P-III with 512mb Ram Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Wolffe [W] wrote:'
W I am not an advocate of bloatTML in email. If you have such a
W strictly formatted message to put out, and HTML is the only way
W to maintain the format, then put it on a web page and mail the
W URL to your recipients. You have a better chance of it being
W unchanged then.
This is one approach yes. I'd probably do so myself if I were in
Victors position. Not because of bloated mail, but because it would
more induce the recipient to view the text in their browser.
W We had a problem at work with people sending out 2-3MB
W attachments to large aliases via email. We (the system
W administrators) kept advising against this since a 2MB email sent
W to 100 people became a 200+MB file storage problem. The senior
W staff (CEO and VP's) finally stepped in to assist after their
W mail server crashed and was down for a few hours. Now the big
W files are put in a single (read-only) webpage and a 100byte email
W is sent announcing the update and its location.
I agree with this instance, yes. However, Victor's intended HTML
message amounts to be bytes greater than the plain text version.
It takes very little HTML markup to convert plain text to HTML
format with the only intention being to embed the font face and
size.
HTML mail comes in all sizes and fancy presentations. It even comes
with it's plain text version.
However, I personally don't really have a problem with it once it's
used sensibly by 'those in the know'. Those in the know here being
those who know the issues with HTML mail and realize that their
audience comprise those using clients that support it.
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Re[2]: Any way to make sure a sent mails format doesn't change?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 5:20:32 PM, you wrote: AM In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], AM Wolffe [W] wrote:' W I am not an advocate of bloatTML in email. If you have such a W strictly formatted message to put out, and HTML is the only way W to maintain the format, then put it on a web page and mail the W URL to your recipients. You have a better chance of it being W unchanged then. I understand and do plan on passing a weblink to the content but for most of my email issues I do just want to make sure that a fixed width font will be displayed. Nothing special like tables, graphics, etc... AM This is one approach yes. I'd probably do so myself if I were in AM Victors position. Not because of bloated mail, but because it would AM more induce the recipient to view the text in their browser. People are lazy and if I have to make them take one more step to read my message I might as well lose them. For some it will not be a problem but you almost always guaranteed have a cry baby to cry over 1kb. 1kb and not even is what I think the HTML tags will throw into my message. I hope no one flips out about it. - --%-- AM It takes very little HTML markup to convert plain text to HTML AM format with the only intention being to embed the font face and AM size. Yes this is the idea. Nothing fancy just a text message with a little bit of bold and maybe a dash of italic. AM HTML mail comes in all sizes and fancy presentations. It even comes AM with it's plain text version. Plain text... maybe bold AM However, I personally don't really have a problem with it once it's AM used sensibly by 'those in the know'. Those in the know here being AM those who know the issues with HTML mail and realize that their AM audience comprise those using clients that support it. Trial and error from here on till the end my friends :) Thank you all for your good input, it is because of you all tbudl is as priceless as it is :) Happy 2003 :) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhN67V3LB35+TCg0EQIifQCg1QVgez9lnQlzZrSwwiMZDDMGfOkAoJdZ 4KC8s+ur7canW3WuYXd2SGMt =J3Rk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
