Re: Re[3]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
On 8/21/05, Jeff Gaines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9 now and find it much better. AOL that. I've never gotten BayesIt to work, and I'm not the most computer-illiterate person out there. When c't Magazin (renowned German computer mag) tested several mail clients, TB among them, they couldn't get it to work, either. Go figure. I've been using K9 for about two year now and find it great. It's tiny, very fast, and very reliable. Roman -- Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello Jeff, Sunday, August 21, 2005, 11:21:58 PM, you wrote: JG I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9 JG now and find it much better. And, for a flipside, I've found it great. As an example,one of my accounts had 68 messages in it when I returned home tonight. One of them was legitimate. All the rest was spam. BayesIt and Bayes Spam Filter, working together, automatically deleted 62 messages. They let through the one legitimate one. One ended up in the Junk folder, and four ended up in my inbox. The four in my inbox were all very short messages, and an analysis of my logs shows that it was Bayes Spam Filter that let them through - it's been running alongside BayesIt for a while now, but seems to take longer to train. In my experience, I've never seen something as easy and simple to set up as BayesIT, or as quick to get working - I installed it a long time ago, marked all my mail as ham and/or spam, and then started marking mail that got through. After a week, it was incredibly rare to see anything slip past. They key seems to be the training - but BayesIt makes that very easy. Sadly, it also doesn't make it very clear that you have to train it in both ham and spam... -- Best regards, Philipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[3]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Jeff Gaines said... Hello Group On Sunday, August 21, 2005, 8:33:48 PM, P. wrote: So, BayseIt is definitely not working. I've tweaked the settings and guess I'll wait for the onslaught of spam on Monday to see if that helps. I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9 now and find it much better. Yup. I've not had to use the white or black lists with K9 either. When using BayesIt, the lists became unmanageable. And you can't resize the dialog sigh and why is it modal? Actually, thinking about it, there's a lot of modal nonsense going on in TB. Grrr. But, on a happy note, K9 is the dog's ;-) -- Best, Marc Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello Feli, On Saturday, August 20, 2005, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all... FW did you also train BayesIt with Ham? Additionally you can use the FW whitelist to prevent listmails ending in the junk folder. PJ I haven't trained with ham yet, no, since it hasn't put good mails PJ into the junk folder either. I misspoke -- it *was* putting good mails into the junk folder. Thanks for alerting me. So, BayseIt is definitely not working. I've tweaked the settings and guess I'll wait for the onslaught of spam on Monday to see if that helps. Thanks again. -- Best wishes, Pat Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello Group On Sunday, August 21, 2005, 8:33:48 PM, P. wrote: So, BayseIt is definitely not working. I've tweaked the settings and guess I'll wait for the onslaught of spam on Monday to see if that helps. I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9 now and find it much better. -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Using TheBat! 3.51.10 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello, I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the default settings. I know there have been problems with Bayesit in the past but hoped these had been solved. I am thinking of switching to Bayes Filter, which worked well for me until I upgraded to a higher TB! version. Anyone have experience or suggestions for either of these programs? If I didn't want to try built-in spam software, I would go back to K9 which worked very well and which I would recommend. Thank you in advance, -- Best wishes, Pat Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hallo Pat, On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:30:33 -0500GMT (20-8-2005, 18:30 +0200, where I live), you wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over PJ 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my PJ inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the PJ default settings. Same happened to, I don't really know what I changed, but somehow it started to work. What is the score before you move a message to JUNK? Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam I've got it to be triggered on 40, when BayesIt doesn't catch all of your spam, you can set that lower. -- Groetjes, Roelof What youth deemed crystal, age finds was dew. The Bat! 3.60.02.0 Forerunner (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpiY4Djt3VSc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello Pat, On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:30:33 -0500GMT P.Johnson wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over PJ 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my PJ inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the PJ default settings. did you also train BayesIt with Ham? Additionally you can use the whitelist to prevent listmails ending in the junk folder. -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello Feli, On Saturday, August 20, 2005, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over PJ 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my PJ inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the PJ default settings. FW did you also train BayesIt with Ham? Additionally you can use the FW whitelist to prevent listmails ending in the junk folder. I haven't trained with ham yet, no, since it hasn't put good mails into the junk folder either. In other words, it seems to be doing nothing at all. As Roelof suggested, maybe I should give it a little more time ( or should I... why not just install something that works out of the box)? But I will try some ham training as you suggest. Thank you so much for your help. -- Best wishes, Pat Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION -- 8/20/2005 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hi Roelof, On Saturday, August 20, 2005, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over PJ 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my PJ inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. RO Same happened to, I don't really know what I changed, but somehow RO it started to work. What is the score before you move a message to RO JUNK? Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam I've got it to be RO triggered on 40, when BayesIt doesn't catch all of your spam, you RO can set that lower. I've reset that option and hope it will now work! Thanks, Roelof. -- Best wishes, Pat Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION -- 8/20/2005 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Anyone combine BayesIT! and Bayes Filter for spam?
Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary===-==-=-=---=--=-=-==--=====--==; protocol=application/pgp-signature; micalg=pgp-sha1 --==-==-=-=---=--=-=-==--=====--== Hi, The Bat! allows more than one plug-in for spam and Anti-Virus. Has anyone successfully combined BayesIT and Bayes Anti spam to work together? -- Michael L. Wilson, MBA Ecclesiastic Philosopher Critic Teacher :einsteinyoyo: == Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Service Pack 2) Ponder this: The same fire that melts iron forges steel. morning dayevening == 20:10 Spam Stats, last Week (BayesIt! 0.7.3) Total Spam Emails: 72 Total Clean Emails: 507 BayesIT guessed right 96.646943% of the time My email is 12.435233% spam = --==-==-=-=---=--=-=-==--=====--== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQWyc9PvT94bCV8K0EQKXdwCgiJ8u/SUwvgD3LeEfFOYpxCRM6JMAnRus M0x7Bttv1S6ydWrO92bzXMWw =RRzL -END PGP MESSAGE- --==-==-=-=---=--=-=-==--=====--==-- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
