Re[2]: Colouring folders in folder view pane
Hello John, Friday, October 28, 2005, 2:23:15 PM, you wrote: JP and has a colour group set up against it, but it still appears the same! Do your color groups work on any of your folders? Here if I assign a color group to a common folder it works as expected. Maybe it is the version you are using. I don't remember if any of the betas had color group problems, but it is likely. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.62.01 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Colouring folders in folder view pane
Hi Stuart, On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, at 08:38:18 [GMT-0500] (which was 23:38:18 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Do your color groups work on any of your folders? Here if I assign a color group to a common folder it works as expected. Maybe it is the version you are using. I don't remember if any of the betas had color group problems, but it is likely. My confusion here is background colour recommended by others. Where is this selected? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Anything good is either illegal, immoral or fattening. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Colouring folders in folder view pane
Hello John, Saturday, October 29, 2005, 8:50:05 AM, you wrote: JP My confusion here is background colour recommended by others. Where is JP this selected? It can be found in Options/Preferences/Messages/Color Groups Fonts. See attached screenshot. I don't really see this as being your problem though, as it should not matter if your background is pink or white the colors should still show up. In the screenshot you will notice a lot of tabs, normal, unread, normal selected, unread selected, etc. You may not have this due to the version you have, but you should have the Normal and Unread selections. You have to make changes to both of these to see the color group for folders that have Unread messages and for folders that have no Unread messages. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.62.01 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Stuart, Saturday, October 29, 2005, 9:21:47 AM, you wrote: JP My confusion here is background colour recommended by others. Where is JP this selected? SC It can be found in Options/Preferences/Messages/Color Groups Fonts. SC See attached screenshot. Sorry thought I was still on tbbeta. You should be able to get the drift without it though. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.62.01 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Colouring folders in folder view pane
Hi Stuart, On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, at 09:21:47 [GMT-0500] (which was Sun, 1:21:47 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: In the screenshot you will notice a lot of tabs, normal, unread, normal selected, unread selected, etc. You may not have this due to the version you have, but you should have the Normal and Unread selections. You have to make changes to both of these to see the color group for folders that have Unread messages and for folders that have no Unread messages. Thanks for the help, now working. What had me fooled was that was no actual background selection. BTW your attachment was plain text with just the TUBDL info usually at the bottom of the postings. Does the mailing list strip these attachments? Thanks to all who replied. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 She's dead, Jim. Still warm, though. Flip ya for her? Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Colouring folders in folder view pane
Hello John, Saturday, October 29, 2005, 3:37:56 PM, you wrote: JP BTW your attachment was plain text with just the TUBDL info usually at the JP bottom of the postings. Does the mailing list strip these attachments? Yes. There are no attachments allowed on TBUDL, they are however allowed, at least a certain, size on tbbeta. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.62.01 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Colouring folders in folder view pane
Hi Bat! Fans, I have asked this before for older versions, but maybe the feature has been added? I would like to colour the little folder icon for the first folder of a tree to make these stand out. Any way to do this in Bat! yet? T.I.A. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Dinner not ready: (A)bort (R)etry (P)izza Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Colouring folders in folder view pane
John, On 28-10-2005 10:24, you [JP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JP I would like to colour the little folder icon for the first folder JP of a tree to make these stand out. Any way to do this in Bat! yet? Are you talking about the folders signifying an account? Then you need a different icon set (or modify it yourself). If it's a folder, e.g. Inbox, then the answer is the same. A quick and dirty version is to make a colour group (with a background colour) and apply it to the folder you want highlighted. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.62.01 Pro /thebat version env. ~4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UW IMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Peter, On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, at 15:00:28 [GMT+0200] (which was 23:00:28 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Are you talking about the folders signifying an account? Then you need a different icon set (or modify it yourself). If it's a folder, e.g. Inbox, then the answer is the same. A quick and dirty version is to make a colour group (with a background colour) and apply it to the folder you want highlighted. Thanks for the reply. I created a new colour group, and applied to the folder, nothing happened. The folder is a root folder with no mail; ie an example is a folder called Software, under which I have a folder for Bat, Microsoft, etc. etc., but the actual software folder never gets mail itself. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Bigamy: one wife too many. Monogamy: same idea. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Colouring folders in folder view pane
Hello John, Friday, October 28, 2005, 8:18:04 AM, you wrote: JP I created a new colour group, and applied to the folder, nothing happened. JP The folder is a root folder with no mail; ie an example is a folder called JP Software, under which I have a folder for Bat, Microsoft, etc. etc., but JP the actual software folder never gets mail itself. Is this a Common Folder. If so it should be possible to apply a color group to it. If it is an Account then it is not possible. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.62.01 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Colouring folders in folder view pane
John, On 28-10-2005 15:18, you [JP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JP I created a new colour group, and applied to the folder, nothing JP happened. Hmm, if I select a folder and go right click Colour Group select the colour group in question, it works here. Are you sure you have given the colour group a background colour? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.62.01 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UWIMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Stuart, On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, at 08:30:43 [GMT-0500] (which was 23:30:43 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Is this a Common Folder. If so it should be possible to apply a color group to it. If it is an Account then it is not possible. I am a bit confused (normal state of mind!) here. It is a common folder, and has a colour group set up against it, but it still appears the same! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Always leave room to add an explanation if it doesn't work out. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Colouring folders in folder view pane
Hi Peter, On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, at 16:24:02 [GMT+0200] (which was Sat, 0:24:02 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Are you sure you have given the colour group a background colour? I seem to be missing this bit. Where exactly is this? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 You know sometimes I get the sudden urge to run around naked. But then I just drink some Windex. It keeps me from streaking! Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Colouring folders in folder view pane
John, On 28-10-2005 21:26, you [JP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JP I seem to be missing this bit. Where exactly is this? I Manage colour groups, for each of the tabs you need to select a Background colour. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.62.01 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UWIMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Colouring folders
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, at 19:54:34 +0100 Marck wrote:
MDP The only way to do this is to replace the standard glyph images.
MDP There's an article by Tony Boom about that on the FAQ site,
Hmm, there's no glyph files in my TB folder[s]. Is that related only
to some particular versions?
MDP Did you read the article?
Yes, I did. Everybody who did it could find that some of necessary
informations are simply missing, or some which are given are
misleading.
To repeat where this article is:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/glyphs.html
MDP The default glyphs are built in. if a glyphs.bmp file is present,
MDP then it overrides the defaults. No file is present by default.
MDP This feature has been around since Max made this announcement:
MDP ,- [ Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:51:30 +0200 ]
MDP | The Bat!, starting from 1.38 Beta/4 has an ability to load external
MDP | custom glyphs.
MDP `-
Thanks for this answer. In the Tony's article only what is mentioned
about glyphs is that we have to:
1) Save the glyph.bmp file to The Bat directory, reboot TB! and see
what it looks like. -- without any notice anywhere that default
glyphs are built in (even is said glyph.bmp, not glyphs.bmp);
2) First of all, open P[aint]S[hop]P[ro] and then open the standard
glyph.bmp. Decide what glyph you're going to modify. -- How could one
open standard glyph.bmp if it is built in?
3) Another thing to remember is that the whole glyphs image file is
like a big grid. Each icon needs to be placed centrally in its own
square on this grid otherwise they may not be aligned or they may even
be part missing when TB uses them -- without any mention about
dimensions of this grid, number of icons and their sequence. Only what
is mentioned is that each icon is 25x25 pixels, without any notice
about dimensions of its own square. How could one place something of
25x25 pixs in the center of something with unknown dimensions, and
above all, which cannot be opened since it is built?
IMHO, this article should be updated and needed information which are
missing and are incorrect should be presented and corrected there.
Else, I would really appreciate any other source with complete and
correct informations.
Mandara
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mandara [M] wrote: ... M Thanks for this answer. In the Tony's article only what is M mentioned about glyphs is that we have to: M 1) Save the glyph.bmp file to The Bat directory, reboot TB! and M see what it looks like. -- without any notice anywhere that M default glyphs are built in (even is said glyph.bmp, not M glyphs.bmp); M 2) First of all, open P[aint]S[hop]P[ro] and then open the M standard glyph.bmp. Decide what glyph you're going to modify. -- M How could one open standard glyph.bmp if it is built in? The history of this will reveal what the article is saying. In the early days of TB!, the toolbar icons looked different ... more spartan than the current ones. There was a cry for a facelift. TB!'s developers tend to do better than what's normally requested. In this spirit, they not only developed new glyphs for the toolbars, but developed a means for the users to create their own toolbar icons. Pretty much like in Opera. The newer glyphs were integrated in the TB! executable while the older, 'standard' ones were provided as a file called glyphs.bmp which one could use if they wished to by placing the file in the TB! installation directory and then restarting TB!. M 3) Another thing to remember is that the whole glyphs image file M is like a big grid. Each icon needs to be placed centrally in its M own square on this grid otherwise they may not be aligned or they M may even be part missing when TB uses them -- without any mention M about dimensions of this grid, number of icons and their sequence. M Only what is mentioned is that each icon is 25x25 pixels, without M any notice about dimensions of its own square. How could one M place something of 25x25 pixs in the center of something with M unknown dimensions, and above all, which cannot be opened since it M is built? Again, in the 'spirit' of TB!, the feature was added with no real documentation of it. The FAQ's article was written by one of the members of this list and as you can see, he was doing the whole thing without working with any real specs. M IMHO, this article should be updated and needed information which M are missing and are incorrect should be presented and corrected M there. Else, I would really appreciate any other source with M complete and correct informations. We are yet to have any official documentation of this. I don't know enough about that sort of thing to offer my own information. I don't know about Marck as well but I think he's in the same position as me. If Ritlabs doesn't provide information on this, then some cough 'reverse engineering' will be required and then the documentation created from this. At present the only updating that we can do is to change the part about loading the standard glyphs.bmp file. If you like, I could send you the current glyphs.bmp so that you can work on it. I don't know how I got it since it's so long ago, but I now have it. I'm really disappointed that this part didn't take off but I think it's the fact that the feature wasn't introduced when there were users who could in fact design nice toolbar icon sets combined with there being no detailed documentation of it in the help and newer users aren't aware of it. The feature isn't being promoted by Ritlabs either. IMO, it should be added in their feature list. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | ®TB! v1.60c | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8y95JV8nrYCsHF+IRAkXNAJ4kbHRqYlN9iNJTbpA/bC9tW/JLtQCffzyw rUBScSw3TmEtDD1FvPqyjeY= =t1bF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ACM If you like, I could send you the current glyphs.bmp so that you can
ACM work on it. I don't know how I got it since it's so long ago, but I
ACM now have it.
Oh yes, please! :-) I just started playing with them and it is
pretty... contagious. ;) Thank you!
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, at 06:34:31 -0500 Allie wrote:
...
M IMHO, this article should be updated and needed information which
M are missing and are incorrect should be presented and corrected
M there. Else, I would really appreciate any other source with
M complete and correct informations.
ACM We are yet to have any official documentation of this. I don't know
ACM enough about that sort of thing to offer my own information. I don't
ACM know about Marck as well but I think he's in the same position as me.
ACM If Ritlabs doesn't provide information on this, then some cough
ACM 'reverse engineering' will be required and then the documentation
ACM created from this. At present the only updating that we can do is to
ACM change the part about loading the standard glyphs.bmp file.
...
Hm, I think that Tony's old article can be useful yet, just if is
added some old (downloadable) bmp grid with it. Even with only the
grid accessible, one can do the job just fine, since is easily visible
where is what, so it is easy to decide what to replace.
After you sent me (thanks again!) one of those glyphs.bmps, I made
wished changes and am completely satisfied now (I couldn't stand just
few things - folders (;-, colors and shape). Maybe is not a bad idea
to upload several grids (originals and modified by users), so that
assortment can be more luxuriant. If there is an interest for it,
I can offer, as a first one :), what I did with my grid (folders
looks really nice, at least to my eyes ;-).
Mandara
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mandara [M] wrote: ... M Maybe is not a bad idea to upload several grids (originals and M modified by users), so that assortment can be more luxuriant. M If there is an interest for it, I can offer, as a first one :), M what I did with my grid (folders looks really nice, at least to M my eyes ;-). I'd sure love to see what your set now looks like. Hopefully, if we have some nicely modified glyphs, we could create a web page for them. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | ®TB! v1.60c | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8zGnAV8nrYCsHF+IRAgz6AJ4wy7WgWLXNjJITpf/zBXvrACf/GgCfTyrV OZhpJB2VOETsQp7J1D1Nd9c= =HFXs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ACM Mandara [M] wrote:
ACM ...
M Maybe is not a bad idea to upload several grids (originals and
M modified by users), so that assortment can be more luxuriant.
M If there is an interest for it, I can offer, as a first one :),
M what I did with my grid (folders looks really nice, at least to
M my eyes ;-).
ACM I'd sure love to see what your set now looks like.
One copy of this message with attached piece goes to your address.
:-)
ACM Hopefully, if we have some nicely modified glyphs, we could create a
ACM web page for them.
Anyway, maybe folks would like to have some gallery of glyphs for
disposal.
Mandara
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Hello fellow Bat! fans. Alright - I'm stupid can't seem to find it in the help files. How to colour certain folders from the bog standard yellow? -- Regards, John Phillips[EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Bat! 1.60c Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram Happiness is a full backup. Delivered using the Free Personal Edition of Mailtraq (www.mailtraq.com) Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Marck You wrote On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, at 11:06:51 [GMT +0100] (20:06 Thursday where I live):- The only way to do this is to replace the standard glyph images. There's an article by Tony Boom about that on the FAQ site, but no direct option within TB to do that. (Just as there's no option - prior to XP skinning - to do it for Windows Explorer). Thanks. -- Regards, John Phillips[EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Bat! 1.60c Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram And now for something completely different... Delivered using the Free Personal Edition of Mailtraq (www.mailtraq.com) Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, at 11:06:51 +0100 Marck wrote:
MDP The only way to do this is to replace the standard glyph images.
MDP There's an article by Tony Boom about that on the FAQ site,
Hmm, there's no glyph files in my TB folder[s]. Is that related only
to some particular versions?
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Re: Colouring folders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mandara, @25 April 2002, 20:28:05 +0200 (19:28 UK time) Mandara wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MDP The only way to do this is to replace the standard glyph images. MDP There's an article by Tony Boom about that on the FAQ site, Hmm, there's no glyph files in my TB folder[s]. Is that related only to some particular versions? Did you read the article? The default glyphs are built in. if a glyphs.bmp file is present, then it overrides the defaults. No file is present by default. This feature has been around since Max made this announcement: ,- [ Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:51:30 +0200 ] | The Bat!, starting from 1.38 Beta/4 has an ability to load external | custom glyphs. `- - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8yFDtOeQkq5KdzaARAhR7AKDEieiNncF6rp9w2WIilt5xxGpmWwCfUHsu vrosNyzIwItZyPPH5A7CVPk= =2FoG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Colouring folders
Hello Marck D Pearlstone, On Thursday, April 25 2002 at 03:06 AM PDT, you wrote: (Just as there's no option - prior to XP skinning - to do it for Windows Explorer). Becky has the ability to change Folder colours. ;o) I don't see why that cannot be incorporated into TB. It is actually quite a nice feature. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
