Compressing Folders on Exit
Hello tbudl, I've got an installation with about 10,000 messages. I once selected Compress Folders on Exit from Account/Properties/Options and discovered that it took a LONG time to exit The Bat! So, I unchecked the box, but it didn't take. It still is going through the compression routine every time I exit. Am I missing something? -- Best regards, Steve We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we invented, which was human liberty. - Mark Twain TB! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing Folders on Exit
Hallo Steve, On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:40:51 -0800GMT (1-11-2004, 17:40 +0100, where I live), you wrote: ST I've got an installation with about 10,000 messages. I once ST selected Compress Folders on Exit from Account/Properties/Options ST and discovered that it took a LONG time to exit The Bat! So, I ST unchecked the box, but it didn't take. It still is going through ST the compression routine every time I exit. Am I missing something? Did you set 'Compress on exit' in the folder properties? That doesn't care about the general option. Apart from that 1 msgs isn't that much in a setup. However, what matters is how you got them divided into folders. Here's what I recently wrote to somebody at the Ritlabs TB forum: Reducing your messagebase is easy, just delete messages. However, you mentioned that you can't miss lots of your messages, so the best way is to store old messages in separate folders. It may seem odd, but it's not the total size of your message base that determines the time needed, but it's the size of the folders that are being compressed. Let's first explain what compressing is. When you delete/move a message from a folder, the message won't really disappear from your folder, it's only marked as deleted. (That's why you can browse through the deleted messages) When you compress a folder, TB checks whether there are deleted messages and when there are any TB will compress it it, while it'll do nothing when there aren't any deleted messages. Resuming: a 20 MB folder without deleted messages wont take any time. A 50 kB folder with 100 deleted messages won't take much time, since it won't need much time to build it up. But a 10 MB folder with one delete message will take the most time. When you look into TB's directory structure on disk, you'll see that subfolders are separate directories with their own message base. So when you'd like to keep your regular storing system, you simply create a couple of subfolders called archive (or whatever) and move your oldest messages into them. The first time you set out to compress your messagebase after this, it'll take some time, but you'll find it'll be better the next time. Note that it isn't just the number of messages and their that makes a messagebase big, but also the number of attachments and their size. I've got this one folder with the setting to keep messages for 365 days and it was really slow in maintenance while exiting, even though it just had less than 100 messages, but every month I'm getting a Word document attached in that folder and some of those attachments were really huge like filesizes of 35 MB, due to the inefficiency of MIME encoding that makes those messages something like 50 MB. So that made a huge folder of 250 MB, considering that my folder with the most messages (23000) is only 82 MB. What I did was keeping those attachments as separate files and delete them from the messages, that was quite an improvement in speed when compressing. That leaves us to the Inbox. All of your received messages come in the Inbox, from where they'll be filtered to other folders or manually transported. In order to speed up compressing of your Inbox, you'd better not keep a real amount of messages in it (or lots of attachments), especially since the Inbox a high traffic folder is easily corrupted. (I've never had any troubles with it, but I've heard lots of people complainingabout it, especially those who keep almost everything in it.) These are the guidelines for proper folder use as I see them. I hope it helps. BTW Even though TB supports (depending on your OS) folder message base larger than 2 GB, a folder that big is never a good idea. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windws is ine for bckgroun comunicaions- Bll Gats, 192 The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpxZEsr9RYlP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Compressing folders
Hello tbudl, Is there a way to compress all folders or selected folders at one time? Thanks, in advance. -- Take care, Kathy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.0.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing folders
Dear Kathy, @8-Sep-2004, 21:58 -0400 (09-Sep 02:58 UK time) Kathy Dunham [KD] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: KD Is there a way to compress all folders or selected folders at one time? From the Main Menu select Folder | Maintenance. From the dialog, select the folders you want to compress, check the Compress tick box and go. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.0.9 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpXnhfYGJdJm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing folders
Jack @ 2004-Aug-1 11:30:35 PM Compressing folders mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Since this subject came up, can you (anyone) explain why there isn't an option to automatically compress and purge (other than when quitting)? It would seem a trivial thing to have an option that would do them both on a scheduled basis. I leave TB up all of the time so I have to keep remembering that I need to go in do that every once in a while. Please support the following feature request: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0002482 -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open. pgp518vb9NW0u.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing folders
Hello, Since this subject came up, can you (anyone) explain why there isn't an option to automatically compress and purge (other than when C Please support the following feature request: C https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0002482 Ah, so it is just a matter of not being coded that way. Hopefully they will see this as something worth adding. -- Jack Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing folders
Hello, I'm just curious of which method of compression is used in The Bat! when you check the compress folder in folder properties. Is it a huge spacesaver and does it have a negative impact when using the program? ASK The term compression may be misleading. Since this subject came up, can you (anyone) explain why there isn't an option to automatically compress and purge (other than when quitting)? It would seem a trivial thing to have an option that would do them both on a scheduled basis. I leave TB up all of the time so I have to keep remembering that I need to go in do that every once in a while. -- Jack Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing folders
On Sunday, August 01, 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] stated: J Since this subject came up, can you (anyone) explain why there isn't J an option to automatically compress and purge (other than when J quitting)? There is ... Folder-Maintenance -- Cheers Yall \\' Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. - Mark Twain Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Compressing folders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Wolffe, On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] W There is ... Folder-Maintenance But I think Jack wants an automatic capability whereas the above is still a manual action. I don't think it can be put into the scheduler - at least I can't see how it can be so it would be nice to be put right. - -- Regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.12.03 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQQ3VwxqZtcDKk7W+EQJo6ACgoKlPyY+Ly0pAzK5zFFMse/9HNpoAn2x3 8Z7WAch86Vns2VSz/O/ew4rH =rDlb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Compressing folders
Hi list! I'm just curious of which method of compression is used in The Bat! when you check the compress folder in folder properties. Is it a huge spacesaver and does it have a negative impact when using the program? I currently use The Bat on a 400Mhz IBM Thinkpad 600E. Cheers -- Thomas Andersson - Sweden Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows XP Build number 2600 Service Pack 1 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0431-2, 2004-07-29 Tested on: 2004-07-30 18:48:50 avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing folders
Hello Thomas Andersson, 30-Jul-2004 18:48, you wrote: I'm just curious of which method of compression is used in The Bat! when you check the compress folder in folder properties. Is it a huge spacesaver and does it have a negative impact when using the program? The term compression may be misleading. Think of a row of parking cars. When one is leaving, the row doesn't get shorter (unless its the first or last, I hear you... *g*). You could think of TB's message database (for each folder) of such a row. When a message is deleted, it leaves the row, but the messagebase doesn't get smaller. (in fact, a deleted message is only removed from view, and not from the database - you can restore them, too). Only when you compress a folder, the deleted messages are removed from the mail database - and the gaps they're leaving are closed. The database file is re-arranged so that the size after compression is only smaller because there are no more holes in it. PS: forgive me, I can't resist... is that really your true name? Mr. Andersson? :-) -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Compressing folders
Friday, July 30, 2004, 7:08:33 PM, you wrote: [snip, snip] ASK PS: forgive me, I can't resist... is that really your true name? Mr. ASK Andersson? :-) It sure is! First time I saw the movie I laughed loudly in the cinema. Do I need to mention that I was the only one laughing... Didn't think so... :-) Thanks for explaining compression! Cheers /Thomas Andersson aka Neo --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0431-2, 2004-07-29 Tested on: 2004-07-30 19:17:31 avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Compressing folders
Hi Thomas, Friday, July 30, 2004, 6:17:29 PM, you wrote: Friday, July 30, 2004, 7:08:33 PM, you wrote: [snip, snip] ASK PS: forgive me, I can't resist... is that really your true name? Mr. ASK Andersson? :-) It sure is! First time I saw the movie I laughed loudly in the cinema. Do I need to mention that I was the only one laughing... Didn't think so... :-) Thanks for explaining compression! Cheers /Thomas Andersson aka Neo --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0431-2, 2004-07-29 Tested on: 2004-07-30 19:17:31 avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html OT You are the one :-| -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing Folders with Deleted Attachments
Hello Joseph, On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:01:40 -0600 GMT (12/12/2003, 12:01 +0700 GMT), Joseph N. wrote: I just deleted two large attachments from a message in a particular folder. My attachments are set to be kept in the envelope, not in a separate folder. I clicked Folder/Compress after deleting the attachments, but received a pop-up window informing me that there was nothing to compress because there were no deleted messages in the folder. That is correct, because TB will look for deleted messages and then compress, i.e. zap (not zip) them from the database. If the message itself is not marked as deleted, nothing gets zapped. As a workaround, I moved the message (without the deleted attachments) to another folder, compressed the original folder, moved the message back, and then compressed the intermediary folder. To my surprise, however, the two folders showed an amount of compression that was substantially less than the size of the deleted attachments. Why? I don't know the format in which TB stores the attachments. Maybe some kind of compressed form? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Even if a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.02.3 CE under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing Folders with Deleted Attachments
Hello Thomas, That is correct, because TB will look for deleted messages and then compress, i.e. zap (not zip) them from the database. If the message itself is not marked as deleted, nothing gets zapped. H, are you sure about that? I'll test it when I have some time. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing Folders with Deleted Attachments
Hello MAU, On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:23:31 +0100 GMT (12/12/2003, 21:23 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: That is correct, because TB will look for deleted messages and then compress, i.e. zap (not zip) them from the database. If the message itself is not marked as deleted, nothing gets zapped. H, are you sure about that? I'll test it when I have some time. Pretty sure, but I'd be interested in the outcome of your test. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Fluchtweg Betreten Verboten! * Message reply created with The Bat! 2.02.3 CE under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Compressing Folders with Deleted Attachments
I just deleted two large attachments from a message in a particular folder. My attachments are set to be kept in the envelope, not in a separate folder. I clicked Folder/Compress after deleting the attachments, but received a pop-up window informing me that there was nothing to compress because there were no deleted messages in the folder. As a workaround, I moved the message (without the deleted attachments) to another folder, compressed the original folder, moved the message back, and then compressed the intermediary folder. To my surprise, however, the two folders showed an amount of compression that was substantially less than the size of the deleted attachments. Why? -- JN Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Compressing folders highlights the last two messages in the mail folder
I am seeing where after I select Folder | Compress All folders there are usually two messages highlighted in a mail folder. Why does this occur? -- Mark Knipfer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.49 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
