Re: Filtering issues.
Hi Dwight, On Mon, 1 May 2006, at 14:18:51 [GMT-0500] (which was Tue, 5:18:51 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: You can scroll through your filters and see which ones say to move the mail to the inbox. That/those filter/s probably once moved mail to a folder which no longer exists. Thanks. Another issue which puzzles me:- Write a new filter, it goes to the bottom of the heap, and it doesn't work. Move it to the top, and Bingo, works. Why is this and how to find / fix whatever is causing this problem? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 What's another word for 'thesaurus?' Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering issues.
Hello John, Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 7:14:01 AM, you wrote: Another issue which puzzles me:- Write a new filter, it goes to the bottom of the heap, and it doesn't work. Move it to the top, and Bingo, works. Why is this and how to find / fix whatever is causing this problem? Since filters only work from the top down, if one of the filters above your newly created filter act on the message it will not be available to be acted on by the lower filter. Also if one of your filters does not have continue processing checked it will not proceed to the next filter. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hi Stuart, On Tue, 2 May 2006, at 07:45:45 [GMT-0500] (which was 22:45:45 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Also if one of your filters does not have continue processing checked it will not proceed to the next filter. Should all filters have this option selected? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 War does not determine who is right, war determine who is left. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering issues.
Hi Stuart, On Tue, 2 May 2006, at 07:45:45 [GMT-0500] (which was 22:45:45 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Also if one of your filters does not have continue processing checked it will not proceed to the next filter. Should all filters have this option selected? That's up to you - if you want a filter to carry out an action and then another filter later to carry out a further action, then no, not for the first of the filters. If you want a/the filter to be triggered and then that is it for that message then, yes, stop the process at that filter. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.71.03 with POPFile 0.22.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hallo Stuart, On Tue, 2 May 2006 07:45:45 -0500GMT (2-5-2006, 14:45 +0100, where I live), you wrote: SC Also if one of your filters does not have continue processing SC checked it will not proceed to the next filter. That's not quite right. If a filter doesn't have that option enabled, messages processed by that filter won't be checked against other filters. Messages that don't trigger such a filter will be compared against the next filter. -- Groetjes, Roelof If worst comes to worst, you *CAN* turn most things off. The Bat! 3.80.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpJPSilxefWx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hallo John, On Wed, 3 May 2006 06:40:46 +1000GMT (2-5-2006, 22:40 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Also if one of your filters does not have continue processing checked it will not proceed to the next filter. JP Should all filters have this option selected? Definitely not. Among all (100+)of my filters there's no more than one or two that have this option enabled. A message will be compared against the first filter, if it matches it'll be processed and it won't be compared against the next filter (unless the first filter has 'continue processing...' enabled) If it doesn't match, it'll be compared to the next filter and on and on and on, until it finds a match (without 'continue processing...' enabled) or until it runs out of filters. Basically this means that, as filtering takes time and processor power, you should put your busiest filters on top, because that means that you won't waste processor time on comparing lots of messages against filters that won't be triggered anyway. Should you enable 'continue processing' for all filters you're losing whatever you gained with an efficient filter order. When you look into my sorting office, the first filter you'll see is my the one that acts upon the spam header inserted by my mail server, next you see some filters regarding some heavy duty mailing lists. The first eight filters process more than 95% of my incoming mail. I don't gain anything by comparing all that mail against my other 100+ filters. What complicates this story are subfilters. When a filter is triggered by a message, the subfilters will be compared against that message, when the filter doesn't get triggered, the subfilters will be left alone. -- Groetjes, Roelof Uh, yeah...I MEANT to do that! The Bat! 3.80.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpk4a93meLEW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
On Monday, May 1, 2006, 3:41:48 PM, MAU wrote: The log should also make it possible to see how many messages a filter acts on, and perhaps when was the last time this filter filtered something. One makes filters for current needs, and a few months or years later those needs may have changed and one may have many filters which get checked with every message but which haven't seen a relevant mail for years. The Statistics tab for each filter tells you more or less what you want. that is pretty slick. too bad it only came around the time I switched to IMAP and don't use local filters anymore. Still, think should be another item there, something to the effect of 'Last triggered on' and the date. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.80.03 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filtering issues.
Hi Bat! Fans, Maybe I am missing something here, but I am having problems with filtering, or at least the way Bat! handles the filters. 1. How do I determine which filter/s point to a folder? (Agent has a good system in which it automatically names the filters after the folder to which they refer). 2. Why, for goodness sake, can't one filter apply to both mail in and mail out? (K-Mail in Linux does this nicely). 3. When writing a filter on sent mail and a mail is highlighted in the Sent Mail folder, the drop down Use for box should automatically show Outgoing Mail. 4. There seems to be no log record of what filters are applied and which fail. 5. When I filter my in box, the result ~always~ shows 4 messages filtered (out of about 200 in the folder), but nothing is moved. Which messages are filtered and fail, and how can I debug this? I suppose others could add to this list? My whine for the day! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hallo John, On Mon, 1 May 2006 19:35:03 +1000GMT (1-5-2006, 11:35 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JP 1. How do I determine which filter/s point to a folder? (Agent has a good JP system in which it automatically names the filters after the folder to which JP they refer). I'm not sure what you mean. Point to a folder as source or as target? Over here the filters have meaningful names like 'TBUDL list' for incoming TBUDL messages and since my folders are named in the same system... JP 2. Why, for goodness sake, can't one filter apply to both mail in and mail JP out? (K-Mail in Linux does this nicely). Lots of my filters wouldn't do that anyway. As I'm using a lot of conditions that use specific strings added by processing servers for my incoming filters. JP 3. When writing a filter on sent mail and a mail is highlighted in the Sent JP Mail folder, the drop down Use for box should automatically show Outgoing JP Mail. I never use that way to create a filter. You had me looking for a bit what you were talking about. Anyway, I don't know about that. But this is about a part I never use, so my opinion isn't really relevant. JP 4. There seems to be no log record of what filters are applied and which JP fail. There is a log about what filters are applied, it's among the rest of the account log. And I wouldn't like it at all when the failed filters would be mentioned too. That would mean my account log had an additional 100+ lines for every incoming message, just mentioning the filters weren't applied. That would make the log essentially useless. JP 5. When I filter my in box, the result ~always~ shows 4 messages filtered JP (out of about 200 in the folder), but nothing is moved. Which messages are JP filtered and fail, and how can I debug this? Check your log about the filters that are triggered. As for why there aren't any messages moved, I guess they aren't moving filters, maybe they simply set a colour group. And as all messages in your Inbox have been processed while incoming, it seems very likely that any messages that should be moved were so on arrival. If you think one of them should be moved by one of your filters, it is likely that it is one of the four messages processed by another filter that didn't have 'continue processing with other filters' checked. JP I suppose others could add to this list? I have some wishes for the sorting office, but they're about additional actions and conditions, not about the interface. What I'd like are some additional options for comparing to the address book. You can check for AB groups contain: sender, first recipient, all recipients, sender and all recipients, sender and first recipient. I'm missing 'any of the recipients' and 'none of the recipients' My second wish regarding this is to be able to compare any message header against the AB, that's an add on to to Robert D's wish recently mentioned here mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A filtering action I consider useful is 'mark as spam' and 'mark as NOT spam' I don't use any anti-spam plug-in anymore, but in the days I did, I really would have like that. -- Groetjes, Roelof WinErr 007: System price error - Inadequate money spent on hardware The Bat! 3.80.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpMkM0Fq3tIg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
John Phillips @ 5/01/2006 4:35:03 AM Filtering issues. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. How do I determine which filter/s point to a folder? (Agent has a good system in which it automatically names the filters after the folder to which they refer). I assume that you want to move a given message to a specific folder. To do so, on the Actions tab, add the Move the message to a folder action. Then, give the filter a descriptive name of your choice. 2. Why, for goodness sake, can't one filter apply to both mail in and mail out? (K-Mail in Linux does this nicely). For now, you can copy and paste filters between the two types. It seems as if your trying to keep all message to and from a certain group of people in the same folder. Is this true? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.71.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. A pat on the back is only a few centimeters from a kick in the butt. pgpRgm14vKwx9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hi Chris, On Mon, 1 May 2006, at 05:49:33 [GMT-0500] (which was 20:49:33 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: 1. How do I determine which filter/s point to a folder? (Agent has a good system in which it automatically names the filters after the folder to which they refer). I assume that you want to move a given message to a specific folder. To do so, on the Actions tab, add the Move the message to a folder action. Then, give the filter a descriptive name of your choice. Sorry did make myself clear here. I click on Properties of a folder. Where can I see which filters apply to that folder? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Boycott shampoo!!! Demand True poo! Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hi Chris, On Mon, 1 May 2006, at 05:49:33 [GMT-0500] (which was 20:49:33 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: It seems as if your trying to keep all message to and from a certain group of people in the same folder. Is this true? Messages to and from joe blogs etc. in same folder -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hi Simon, On Mon, 1 May 2006, at 11:40:16 [GMT+0100] (which was 20:40:16 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: JP 3. When writing a filter on sent mail and a mail is JP highlighted in the Sent Mail folder, the drop down Use JP for box should automatically show Outgoing Mail. I don't understand this one? Go to Sent folder. Select a message to filter/ Ctrl-Shift-F. You should see what I mean. JP 4. There seems to be no log record of what filters are JP applied and which fail. With your required account's Inbox selected, hit SHFT-CTRL-A this will show you the log. Alternatively, you could use the 'Test Filter' function available via right-mouse-click Filter actions don't seem to show in the log. JP 5. When I filter my in box, the result ~always~ shows 4 JP messages filtered (out of about 200 in the folder), but JP nothing is moved. Which messages are filtered and fail, JP and how can I debug this? With your Inbox selected, hit SHFT-CTRL-A this will show you the log, you can see what filtering has happened and where. Sounds like you may have a filter that ends up moving the mail back to Inbox? May have, but there should be a reasonable debug report available when Bat! runs, IMO. (for what it's worth!) -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hallo John, On Mon, 1 May 2006 21:05:43 +1000GMT (1-5-2006, 13:05 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JP I click on Properties of a folder. Where can I see which filters apply to JP that folder? You cannot. -- Groetjes, Roelof Encyclopedias for sale. Never used. I know everything. The Bat! 3.80.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpQG7wMmIRqU.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hi Roelof, On Mon, 1 May 2006, at 13:20:42 [GMT+0200] (which was 21:20:42 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: JP I click on Properties of a folder. Where can I see which filters apply to JP that folder? You cannot. Which is a pity. Would be very useful. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 May I please be excused? My Brain is full. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hi John, On Mon, 1 May 2006, at 21:13:32 [GMT+1000] (which was 21:13:32 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Filter actions don't seem to show in the log. My bad. Sorry! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Adding manpower to a late software product makes it later. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hi Simon, On Mon, 1 May 2006, at 12:38:33 [GMT+0100] (which was 21:38:33 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Do you not have something like this show when a message is received and a filter fires -: 01/05/2006, 12:03:08: FETCH - received message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2085 bytes) (processed by Runbox Bandwidth), URL: msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes I do, Sorry, my bad! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.80.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 When you are down and out something always turns up—and it is usually the noses of your friends. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Who would have guessed that Simon would have said : S Do you not have something like this show when a message is received S and a filter fires -: Ummm, I have Verbose Log checked yet do NOT see where/when/how a Fetched message is processed. For example, just now: 5/1/2006, 08:50:53: FETCH - Received message from [EMAIL PROTECTED], and my addy to [EMAIL PROTECTED], encrypted: No, size: 4018, date: Monday, May 01, 2006 8:46:55 AM, subject: Re: Statistics for tbot: april 2006 How do I activate further reporting then? -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.80.03 Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hello John, On Mon, 1 May 2006 19:35:03 +1000 GMT (01/05/2006, 16:35 +0700 GMT), John Phillips wrote: JP 2. Why, for goodness sake, can't one filter apply to both mail in and mail JP out? (K-Mail in Linux does this nicely). This is a long-standing wish: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 Would it help? JP 3. When writing a filter on sent mail and a mail is highlighted in the Sent JP Mail folder, the drop down Use for box should automatically show Outgoing JP Mail. Agree. -- Cheers, Thomas. Es war eine machtvolle Demonstration. Der Marktplatz war voller Menschen. In den Nebenstrassen pflanzten sich Maenner und Frauen fort. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.80.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
On Monday, May 1, 2006, 4:35:03 AM, John Phillips wrote: 4. There seems to be no log record of what filters are applied and which fail. The log should also make it possible to see how many messages a filter acts on, and perhaps when was the last time this filter filtered something. One makes filters for current needs, and a few months or years later those needs may have changed and one may have many filters which get checked with every message but which haven't seen a relevant mail for years. 5. When I filter my in box, the result ~always~ shows 4 messages filtered (out of about 200 in the folder), but nothing is moved. Which messages are filtered and fail, and how can I debug this? You can scroll through your filters and see which ones say to move the mail to the inbox. That/those filter/s probably once moved mail to a folder which no longer exists. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.80.03 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering issues.
Hello Dwight, 4. There seems to be no log record of what filters are applied and which fail. The log should also make it possible to see how many messages a filter acts on, and perhaps when was the last time this filter filtered something. One makes filters for current needs, and a few months or years later those needs may have changed and one may have many filters which get checked with every message but which haven't seen a relevant mail for years. The Statistics tab for each filter tells you more or less what you want. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.80.03 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
