Re: Moving to anew pc
Hi Jeff, On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, at 23:24:44 [GMT+0100] (which was Wed, 8:24:44 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: If you plan to do a backup and restore you really need to follow the other suggestions in this thread rather than do it my way :-) Just want to thank all who assisted with help here - I just can't believe how smooth this went! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hi Jeff, On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, at 22:49:07 [GMT+0100] (which was Tue, 7:49:07 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: I could post it here but you'd need Smartsync Thanks for the offer, but don't think I could use it. Just to get this right (technically challenged) do I need to firstly install Bat! on the new pc with the rego code, or do I just install without the rego code and the registry entry takes care of this; and then restore the backup? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Error Reading FAT Table - Try Skinny one? (Y/N) Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving to anew pc
Hello Group On Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 9:00:14 PM, John wrote: Just to get this right (technically challenged) do I need to firstly install Bat! on the new pc with the rego code, or do I just install without the rego code and the registry entry takes care of this; and then restore the backup? The approach I have used is to just copy the whole TB! directory over to the new PC and run the .reg file (subject to my earlier comments about the path being the same). If you plan to do a backup and restore you really need to follow the other suggestions in this thread rather than do it my way :-) -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Using TheBat! 3.51.10 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hi Jeff, On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, at 12:28:34 [GMT+0100] (which was 21:28:34 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: If the path will be the same on the new PC you can export the registry branch (run this from a temp directory so it's easy to find the output file): When installing on a new pc, does the software have to be downloaded from Bat! site? If so, how about registration problems (i.e lost rego data, etc.) or is all of this covered in the Registry Key? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Climate is what we expect, weather is what we get. Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving to anew pc
Hello Group On Monday, August 22, 2005, 11:11:44 AM, John wrote: When installing on a new pc, does the software have to be downloaded from Bat! site? If so, how about registration problems (i.e lost rego data, etc.) or is all of this covered in the Registry Key? It must be in the registry I think, I've moved it from a desktop to a laptop, then to another laptop when the first one broke, then back again when it was fixed. I just exported the registry keys (this is done automatically each day as part of my backup regime), copied over and ran the .reg file. -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Using TheBat! 3.51.10 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hallo John, On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:11:44 +1000GMT (22-8-2005, 12:11 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JP When installing on a new pc, does the software have to be downloaded from JP Bat! site? Not when you've got the install file for a current version. JP If so, how about registration problems (i.e lost rego data, etc.) or is all JP of this covered in the Registry Key? Is covered in the registry. -- Groetjes, Roelof Being right too soon is socially unacceptable. -- Heinlein The Bat! 3.60.02.0 Forerunner (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpncaCjwss1k.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hi Jeff, On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, at 13:52:30 [GMT+0100] (which was 22:52:30 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: I just exported the registry keys (this is done automatically each day as part of my backup regime), copied over and ran the .reg file. Is this part of the Bat! inbuilt backup? If so I must be missing this somewhere! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Anybody can win, unless there happens to be a second entry. Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving to anew pc
Hello Group On Monday, August 22, 2005, 10:02:54 PM, John wrote: Is this part of the Bat! inbuilt backup? If so I must be missing this somewhere! No, sorry, it's a batch file I run. It backs up the registry branches for TheBat! and XanaNews, runs Smartsync and then powers the computer off. It's short, I could post it here but you'd need Smartsync or an equivalent plus a Poweroff utility :-) -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Using TheBat! 3.51.10 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Moving to anew pc
Hi Bat! Fans, Pretty sure i have seen this over the years, but no longer any reference to it on my pc. Need to plan to move all Bat! settings, folders with mail, filters, rego info, etc, etc., to a new pc shortly. Is there an FAQ for this to which I can refer? Thanks! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 CONGRESS.SYS Corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/n)? Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hello Group On Sunday, August 21, 2005, 10:56:05 AM, John wrote: Need to plan to move all Bat! settings, folders with mail, filters, rego info, etc, etc., to a new pc shortly. If the path will be the same on the new PC you can export the registry branch (run this from a temp directory so it's easy to find the output file): c:\windows\regedit.exe /e thebat.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT This will produce a file called thebat.reg Then just copy everything over to the new PC and copy over then double click on 'thebat.reg' to put the data back in the registry. You can edit the .reg file if the path has changed. There is another method involving exporting the data but I've never used it, will leave somebody else to run through it :-) -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Using TheBat! 3.51.10 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sunday, August 21, 2005, 7:56:05 PM, you wrote: JP Hi Bat! Fans, JP Pretty sure i have seen this over the years, but no longer any reference to JP it on my pc. JP Need to plan to move all Bat! settings, folders with mail, filters, rego JP info, etc, etc., to a new pc shortly. JP Is there an FAQ for this to which I can refer? JP Thanks! I did a full backup - Tools - Backup Then a fresh install of the Bat Then Tools - Restore from the backup -- Paul - Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 ...Spell chequers dew knot work write. Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hello Jeff, On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:28:34 +0100 GMT (21/08/2005, 18:28 +0700 GMT), Jeff Gaines wrote: JG You can edit the .reg file if the path has changed. I have a similar question and quote your reply, because I am afraid that is the only solution for me as well. In the office, I have one HD with two partitions, C: and D:. The TB program resides on C: and the mail on the data drive D:. I am planning to install a second HD, with two partitions. AFAIK, this would make Windows assign C: to the first partition on the first HD, D: will be the first partition on the second HD, E: the second partition on the first HD, and F: the second partition on the second HD. If this is correct (and I vaguely hope it is not), I will need TB to point to E: instead of D: before being able to move the data to the second HD. Do I need to hack the registry? -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: It is always possible to park directly outside any building you are visiting. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving to anew pc
Hello Group On Sunday, August 21, 2005, 1:18:21 PM, Thomas wrote: Hello Jeff, On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:28:34 +0100 GMT (21/08/2005, 18:28 +0700 GMT), Jeff Gaines wrote: JG You can edit the .reg file if the path has changed. I have a similar question and quote your reply, because I am afraid that is the only solution for me as well. In the office, I have one HD with two partitions, C: and D:. The TB program resides on C: and the mail on the data drive D:. I am planning to install a second HD, with two partitions. AFAIK, this would make Windows assign C: to the first partition on the first HD, D: will be the first partition on the second HD, E: the second partition on the first HD, and F: the second partition on the second HD. It will if you set up a primary partition on the new HD, but it doesn't have to be :-) On the new HD do *NOT* add a primary partition, add an extended partition and logical drive(s) within that partition and then the drive letters will be in a more logical order, i.e. they will follow the physical drives. If you are already using drive letters up to say, L, then the new drive will be allocated the next available letter - but you can change this after the drive is installed. Windows defaults to putting primary partitions on a new HD, I suspect this may be for historical reasons, it's certainly not the best approach nowadays in my view. XP sets up new drives in the same way as DOS, go through each physical drive in order, pick out the primary partitions, allocate drive letters, go back and go through again picking up the logical drives in extended partitions and allocate drive letters. I can't see a reason for having any primary partition apart from the very first nowadays. Come back if that's not clear enough :-) -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Using TheBat! 3.51.10 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hallo Thomas, On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:18:21 +0700GMT (21-8-2005, 14:18 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TF I am planning to install a second HD, with two partitions. AFAIK, this TF would make Windows assign C: to the first partition on the first HD, TF D: will be the first partition on the second HD, E: the second TF partition on the first HD, and F: the second partition on the second TF HD. This has not to be so. This is only the case when your second HD has a primary partition, it isn't necessary for it to have one. Apart from that with Win XP you can freely assign drive letters to partitions (apart from the Windows partition) TF If this is correct (and I vaguely hope it is not), I will need TB to TF point to E: instead of D: before being able to move the data to the TF second HD. Do I need to hack the registry? If I read you correct you want to move TB's mail directory to your new disk. When you're switching your disks so that your new data partition has the same drive letter as TB's mail directory originally had, then you'll only have to move the mail directory to the new drive, while TB is shut down, TB doesn't care about physical disks, only about paths. -- Groetjes, Roelof Veni, vidi, vacuum, (I came, I saw--nothing.) The Bat! 3.60.02.0 Forerunner (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpBbGQ4DKEwi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hello Jeff, On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:05:12 +0100 GMT (21/08/2005, 20:05 +0700 GMT), Jeff Gaines wrote: I am planning to install a second HD, with two partitions. AFAIK, this would make Windows assign C: to the first partition on the first HD, D: will be the first partition on the second HD, E: the second partition on the first HD, and F: the second partition on the second HD. JG It will if you set up a primary partition on the new HD, but it JG doesn't have to be :-) I'm not planning to set up a primary partition, I just want to connect the new HD. My experience with the automatic assigning of drive leters dates back to Win98, I never did it with an XP system. I think you are giving me good news. :-) JG On the new HD do *NOT* add a primary partition, add an extended JG partition and logical drive(s) within that partition and then the JG drive letters will be in a more logical order, i.e. they will follow JG the physical drives. That's good then. JG If you are already using drive letters up to say, L, then the new JG drive will be allocated the next available letter - but you can JG change this after the drive is installed. No, I have only C and D, and network drive called X, pointing to the webserver. JG Windows defaults to putting primary partitions on a new HD, I suspect JG this may be for historical reasons, it's certainly not the best JG approach nowadays in my view. XP sets up new drives in the same way as JG DOS, go through each physical drive in order, pick out the primary JG partitions, allocate drive letters, go back and go through again JG picking up the logical drives in extended partitions and allocate JG drive letters. I can't see a reason for having any primary partition JG apart from the very first nowadays. As I said, I'm not planning to set up a new primary drive. I'm just not quite sure what XP does when it detects a new HDD. -- Cheers, Thomas. It's paradoxical that the idea of living a long life appeals to everyone, but the idea of getting old doesn't appeal to anyone. -- Andy Rooney Message reply created with The Bat! 3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hello Roelof, On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:07:54 +0200 GMT (21/08/2005, 20:07 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: TF I am planning to install a second HD, with two partitions. AFAIK, this TF would make Windows assign C: to the first partition on the first HD, TF D: will be the first partition on the second HD, E: the second TF partition on the first HD, and F: the second partition on the second TF HD. RO This has not to be so. This is only the case when your second HD has a RO primary partition, it isn't necessary for it to have one. So I would have to tell it to set up a new primary partition? I'm not planning to do that, so I'll be safe? RO Apart from that with Win XP you can freely assign drive letters to RO partitions (apart from the Windows partition) the Windows partition will remain to be C on the first HD. TF If this is correct (and I vaguely hope it is not), I will need TB to TF point to E: instead of D: before being able to move the data to the TF second HD. Do I need to hack the registry? RO If I read you correct you want to move TB's mail directory to your new RO disk. When you're switching your disks so that your new data partition RO has the same drive letter as TB's mail directory originally had, then RO you'll only have to move the mail directory to the new drive, while RO TB is shut down, TB doesn't care about physical disks, only about RO paths. That was my question. I assumed the path will change automatically when the new HDD is physically connected. Seems like this will not be the case. -- Cheers, Thomas. This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us. -- Western Union internal memo, 1876. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hello Thomas Fernandez everyone else, on 21-Aug-2005 at 14:18 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote: I am planning to install a second HD, with two partitions. AFAIK, this would make Windows assign C: to the first partition on the first HD, D: will be the first partition on the second HD, E: the second partition on the first HD, and F: the second partition on the second HD. That naming scheme applies only if you have a primary partition on each individual harddisk. So, don't create a primary partition on the second HDD, but only an extended partition, and the drive letters won't change. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Greg Strong @ 2005-8-21 10:18:23 AM Moving to anew pc mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I did a full backup - Tools - Backup Then a fresh install of the Bat IIRC there is an option on the fresh install to use a TB backup. There is. Then Tools - Restore from the backup If my memory is correct on the install options, then this wouldn't be necessary. For me, The Bat! would not restore properly, so I copied that data directory over, exported the registry, modified the registry, re-imported it on the new computer, and then everything worked. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Synthetic natural gas pgp6hWIPdDlWd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to anew pc
Hello Alexander, On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:26:31 +0200 GMT (21/08/2005, 22:26 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK So, don't create a primary partition on the second HDD, but only an ASK extended partition, and the drive letters won't change. Thanks to all. -- Cheers, Thomas. What to not say to the nice policeman: So, uh, you on the take or what? Message reply created with The Bat! 3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
