Re[2]: PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat!
Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 12:14:57 AM, you wrote: MP Hello John, MP Tuesday, June 3, 2003, 11:39:36 PM, you wrote: JM Hello Daniel, you wrote: JM I would recommend switching to Kerio Personal Firewall and AntiVir JM antivirus. More than likely ZoneAlarm is causing your problems. As Martin mentioned, there is a problem with one of Windows XP update patches. And, it can affect firewalls and/or virus scanners. Laurence is not the first one to encounter this problem. JM That still doesn't change my original recommendation! MP Can we deduce from Laurence's mail that this setup was identical before and MP after the HD-crash: MP ,- [ ] MP | Am running Zone Alarm Pro v3.7.159 in the background with Kasperky v4 MP | anti-virus. MP `- MP This was written in Laurence's mail too: MP ,- [ ] MP | Have tried disabling both these to see if it makes a difference but still MP | very slow and lock ups still happen. MP `- MP In some places on this earth you might find some people confirming that a MP particular Microsoft patch for XP slows down the computer. Probably a MP conspiracy, but they're getting well organised and they succeeded to post MP something about their mean lies on the internet: :-) MP http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Apr/gee20030425019740.htm MP http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110385,00.asp MP It was even on this same list. MP Now didn't Laurence mention something like: MP ,- [ ] MP | I'm using Windows XP Pro SP1 with all patches up to date.??? MP `- MP Laurence probably has cured the problem, while we're still discussing it. MP BTW: you probably won't be able to persuade me to ever install Antivir MP on one of my computers anymore. But if you and many other people are MP happy with it: why not? Thanks to all for the advice. system still not responding to The Bat! and still slow despite: a) removing ZA Pro b) removing AV c) removing the offending patch Have wiped HDD, re-installed XP Pro and again patched to SP1 + latest patches (- 811493 security patch). On a plain system - No AV or Software firewall - it is still slow and locking up the PC. Any chance that it could be that my mail file is on another disk drive (although it has always been there)? -- Best regards, Laurencemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat!
Hello Mark, On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, at 01:14:57 GMT +0200 (6/3/2003, 6:14 PM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MP Can we deduce from Laurence's mail that this setup was identical before and MP after the HD-crash: ... I don't think you can make this deduction unless the recovery was from an drive or partition image. MP In some places on this earth you might find some people confirming that a MP particular Microsoft patch for XP slows down the computer. See Martin's message at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] about the MS patch 811493 which has been confirmed. Since the MS link is either invalid or the site down IIRC the patch slows applications on startup. I would suggest a complete wipe of ZA from Laurence's PC, and install another FW. When I upgraded my OS from Win98 to WinXP Pro and did a complete clean install using ZA my browser, IE, and TB slowed to a crawl. I wiped the HD installed Kerio and my problem vanished immediately. I'm not saying ZA is the problem. Given my experience and others I would start with replacing ZA. I use to be a ZAP advocate from version 1 on, but it will be awhile before I even try it. Obviously from others posting positive experiences with ZA or ZAP, everyone seems to have their own opinion. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat!
On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 12:00:56 PM, you wrote: GS See Martin's message at mid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] about the MS patch GS 811493 which has been confirmed. Since the MS link is either invalid or GS the site down IIRC the patch slows applications on startup. The link isn't invalid, it unfortunately included the right parentheses from the parenthetical comment it was sitting in. Use this link: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;819634 [the original was this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;819634). which doesn't work] And yes indeed, microsoft suggests removing the patch, and using their updated version or not using it all. looks like for the average user with a one person computer, that patch (not even the updated one) isn't needed anyway. -- David One's first step in wisdom is to question everything and one's last is to come to terms with everything. Georg Christoph Lichtenberg Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat!
Hello Laurence, Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 5:55:26 PM, you wrote: LE Have wiped HDD, re-installed XP Pro and again patched to SP1 + latest patches (- 811493 LE security patch). On a plain system - No AV or Software firewall - it LE is still slow and locking up the PC. LE Any chance that it could be that my mail file is on another disk LE drive (although it has always been there)? Does everything work at a normal speed whenever The Bat! isn't running? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat!
Hello Greg, Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 6:00:56 PM, you wrote: MP Can we deduce from Laurence's mail that this setup was identical before and MP after the HD-crash: ... GS I don't think you can make this deduction unless the recovery was from GS an drive or partition image. Yes, of course, if Laurence had had a drive image there probably wouldn't have been a problem. I suppose you understood I was merely referring to the combination XP + ZAP + Kaspersky. GS Obviously from others posting positive experiences with ZA or ZAP, GS everyone seems to have their own opinion. As on most things :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat!
Hello TBUDL, Just started to use the Bat in prefernece to MS Outlook Express. When I first loaded it everything fine and worked a treat - very fast. However, after suffering a system crash (HDD failure) I have had to replace the HDD (with same type and manufacturer) and re-install the OS. The Bat! now is very slow - even on a completely fresh install of Windows XP. It constantly locks up the PC requiring a soft restart. I'm using Windows XP Pro SP1 with all patches up to date. Have 512Mb RAM, 1.33 MHz AMD processor and The Bat! v1.62r. Am running Zone Alarm Pro v3.7.159 in the background with Kasperky v4 anti-virus. Have tried disabling both these to see if it makes a difference but still very slow and lock ups still happen. I have a 1Mb broadband connection to my mail servers and 4 different accounts set up. Can anybody help with a possible reason for the locks ups and slowness please? -- Best regards, Laurence mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat!
Hello Laurence, you wrote: Am running Zone Alarm Pro v3.7.159 in the background with Kasperky v4 anti-virus. I would recommend switching to Kerio Personal Firewall and AntiVir antivirus. More than likely ZoneAlarm is causing your problems. -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello The Bat! Users, Tuesday, June 3, 2003, 9:57:11 PM, you wrote: LE snip...is very slow - even on a completely fresh install of Windows XP. LE It constantly locks up the PC requiring a soft restart. LE I'm using Windows XP Pro SP1 with all patches up to date...snip Have you applied the (old) 811493 security patch to XP? If so, you may want to remove it (see http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;819634). M - -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ iQA/AwUBPt0PmVv+PP8p0/caEQL8XACglZoCSLlVxHC8/j1gh2wGgJeSUKEAoOWj cqGhHlZZ/kthI7RQa3McrpSj =5ynQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat!
Hello John, Tuesday, June 3, 2003, 6:14:09 PM, you wrote: JM Hello Laurence, you wrote: Am running Zone Alarm Pro v3.7.159 in the background with Kasperky v4 anti-virus. JM I would recommend switching to Kerio Personal Firewall and AntiVir JM antivirus. More than likely ZoneAlarm is causing your problems. As Martin mentioned, there is a problem with one of Windows XP update patches. And, it can affect firewalls and/or virus scanners. Laurence is not the first one to encounter this problem. -- Best regards, Daniel Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat!
Hello Daniel, you wrote: JM I would recommend switching to Kerio Personal Firewall and AntiVir JM antivirus. More than likely ZoneAlarm is causing your problems. As Martin mentioned, there is a problem with one of Windows XP update patches. And, it can affect firewalls and/or virus scanners. Laurence is not the first one to encounter this problem. That still doesn't change my original recommendation! -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat!
Hello John, Tuesday, June 3, 2003, 11:39:36 PM, you wrote: JM Hello Daniel, you wrote: JM I would recommend switching to Kerio Personal Firewall and AntiVir JM antivirus. More than likely ZoneAlarm is causing your problems. As Martin mentioned, there is a problem with one of Windows XP update patches. And, it can affect firewalls and/or virus scanners. Laurence is not the first one to encounter this problem. JM That still doesn't change my original recommendation! Can we deduce from Laurence's mail that this setup was identical before and after the HD-crash: ,- [ ] | Am running Zone Alarm Pro v3.7.159 in the background with Kasperky v4 | anti-virus. `- This was written in Laurence's mail too: ,- [ ] | Have tried disabling both these to see if it makes a difference but still | very slow and lock ups still happen. `- In some places on this earth you might find some people confirming that a particular Microsoft patch for XP slows down the computer. Probably a conspiracy, but they're getting well organised and they succeeded to post something about their mean lies on the internet: :-) http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Apr/gee20030425019740.htm http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110385,00.asp It was even on this same list. Now didn't Laurence mention something like: ,- [ ] | I'm using Windows XP Pro SP1 with all patches up to date.??? `- Laurence probably has cured the problem, while we're still discussing it. BTW: you probably won't be able to persuade me to ever install Antivir on one of my computers anymore. But if you and many other people are happy with it: why not? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
