Re: Backup and restore question
Saturday, December 22, 2001, 3:42:14 PM, Thomas wrote: TF I wonder when they will finalise the Backup functionality. I am TF not using nor recommending it, because my old batch file is fast TF and backs up everything. Backup should be able to backup TF everything, shouldn't it? I sure agree there. As far as I'm concerned, a backup utility on an e-mail client is just bloat, and especially so if it can't easily and immediately lay down a clone of the program, including all registry keys, etc. But backups are a function separate from e-mail, and with all the very good and cheap ways to do them, comprehensively, I can't imagine relying on an e-mail client to simply keep the mail database backed up. For anyone interested, Drive Image Pro 5 (I have no association at all with the folks that make this.) has got it down really pat now. Especially if you are using something like Norton Ghost, you really want to look into this, as it has truly become a Ghost-killer. You can image a partition so quickly now, and even without (yes, without) floppy disks. Scheduling, the works. And even if you're not into imaging partitions (I keep the images on other physical drives in my system.) you can back up an entire directory tree to another location with the command: xcopy m:\2000ap~1\foo /c /h /e /r /k /y i:\foo-target This command will backup the entire tree under 'foo', no matter what you have in there. It will get it all, and copy it exactly as you have it to foo-target. You can set this up as a .bat or .cmd file, and hang an icon on your Quick Launch tool bar, or put it on your desktop if you like. One click from the QL tool bar, and it's done. I my case, foo and foo-target reside on different physical drives, and I'm willing to gamble that both drives won't crash at the same time. I use tape, too, but it's slower than either batch files or imaging, it's advantage being that you don't need to reboot the system to do it, as you need to with imaging. But imaging is the way to go if you are into speed and completeness. You can image, for example, a 3-gig partition in about 10 minutes. The image file will compress down to about 850 mb, depending of course on how full the partition is. With drives so cavernous and cheap these days, I can't imagine why people don't use them for backups, or even do mirror sets, etc. You know your hard drive will crash; it's only a matter of when, not if, so be ready with multiple drives already in the system. Hope this helps those who rely on TB for backing up. There are much, much better ways to handle this than letting TB handle it. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Backup and restore question
@ 14:42:14 +0800 [ Sat, 22 Dec 2001], Thomas F [TF] wrote these words of wisdom: ... TF I wonder when they will finalise the Backup functionality. I am TF not using nor recommending it, because my old batch file is fast TF and backs up everything. Backup should be able to backup TF everything, shouldn't it? If you're restoring to the same system, fine, and your way is the way I use as well since I can automate it. However, I needed to move TB! from my desktop to my new laptop. On the desktop TB! was installed on Drive L: and most of the account files were on Drive M:. I needed to move my installation to my laptop which has only one partition, Drive C:. :-) Using one of my backups would be possible but a hassle. I just did a TB! backup, installed TB! on my new machine and did a restore. TB!'s restore just placed the account files in the default locations when the former locations weren't available. The only settings lost were those in the preferences dialog which I sorted out in less than a minute. I do agree that this part should be backed up but it certainly wouldn't make me not recommend using it. I've used it twice with great results, it's fast, and your backup will work, easily, where ever you choose to restore it. -- | ©Allie Martin - Moderator o|--- | TB! v1.54 Beta/18 WinXP Home PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Backup and restore question
@ 19:26:34 +0900 [ Sat, 22 Dec 2001], Yuki Taga [YT] wrote these words of wisdom: ... YT I sure agree there. As far as I'm concerned, a backup utility on YT an e-mail client is just bloat, and especially so if it can't YT easily and immediately lay down a clone of the program, including YT all registry keys, etc. But backups are a function separate from YT e-mail, and with all the very good and cheap ways to do them, YT comprehensively, I can't imagine relying on an e-mail client to YT simply keep the mail database backed up. It not only backs up your mail, but it also backs up your address book, templates, filters, editor settings, hotkey settings, message list color settings and folder settings, falling short with only some of the preferences which are easily sorted out. It will restore that backup without user intervention, on any system where you install TB!, no matter the source installation's configuration in terms of installation location, account home directory locations. For those not in the know and who don't know how to fiddle with the registry and deal with the issues of moving to a different environment, then it's a good tool. Even *I*, who had backups chose to just create a TB! backup and restore it on my new system, i.e., from an installation spanning partitions, to a single partition installation. It was definitely easier than having to restore to this new environment from a mirror type backup which would involve some registry editing and manual movement and relocating. It's easier to just reset the preferences. However, I fully agree with you on the routine backup of an installation where the backups will be used to restore the same system. An automated solution is far better and you don't even have to by software for that. :-) A batch file used with the system scheduler is just fine. If you happen to have an archiving tool like WinRAR that has CLI support then you can create compressed, self-executing archives with preserved relative paths. To restore your backup, you simply double click the archive, type in or browse to the parent folder and go. -- .-.-. ( : ) ©Allie C Martin .-.\ ' /.-. List Moderator and fellow end user (_.. 'Y' .._) TB! v1.54 Beta/18 WinXP Home ( /|\ ) - '-' | '-' PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Backup and restore question
On Saturday, December 22, 2001, 07:42:14, Thomas F wrote: I wonder when they will finalise the Backup functionality. I am not using nor recommending it, because my old batch file is fast and backs up everything. Could you post the file here, please? Thanks! Merry Xmas to everyone, Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany The key to keeping a thread going is saying something evocative enough with each statement that the other person(s) feel like they have to respond with 1) a retort, 2) a reply, 3) a reference, 4) a rejoinder, or 5) a rhyme. -- Adam Rifkin -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Backup and restore question
Hello Yuki! On 22 Dec 2001 at 14:09:38 you wrote: Not true, Dierk. If you image the partition, you get it all, registry, kitchen sink, microbes, and anything else living on your partition. When I image my C: partition I will get the whole enchilada, right. But TB! resides on G: ... So I'd at least have to backup the RIT key inside my registry. To be honest, the only partition (a separate HD, TW) I regularly image is C:. Additionally I manually copy the registry to another HD (both go to E:), particularly after software install/de-install. The best way for any programme would be a built-in backup function that includes everything needed - INI's, registry settings and all. Which again leads us back to another long standing wish: Please, developers, flush the registry and put the settings into an INI file, which should reside in TB! working directory like Opera does it. After years of working with Win9x I am deeply convinced that the theoretically good idea of a central registry is bad. It makes absolutely everything quite complicated, unstable and slow. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/19 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Absurdity: A statement of belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. (Ambrose Bierce) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Backup and restore question
Hello Roman, On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:21:14 +0100 GMT (22/12/2001, 21:21 +0800 GMT), Roman Katzer wrote: my old batch file is fast and backs up everything. RK Could you post the file here, please? This file was written by Januk Aggarwal, who kindly posted it to this list some time ago: QUOTE @echo off cls echo Welcome to your The Bat! Registry Backup program. echo. echo ___ echo * * echo *1. Back up my registry NOW!! * echo *2. Don't you dare! Get me outta here! * echo * * echo *___* echo. choice /c:12 if errorlevel 2 goto end if errorlevel 1 goto begin :begin echo. echo Good choice noble user, I'm just checking for previous echo backup attempts. echo. echo. if not exist TBbckup2.reg goto continue echo Your previous backup is being stored in TBbckup2.reg echo. if exist TBbckup1.reg del TBbckup2.reg :continue if exist TBbckup1.reg rename TBbckup1.reg TBbckup2.reg start /w regedit /e TBbckup1.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! echo. if not exist TBbckup1.reg echo Error! Something went wrong. Backup not successful. if exist TBbckup1.reg echo Success! Your registry entries for The Bat! are backed up! echo. :end echo. echo Thank you for using this backup utility. echo. UNQUOTE Put this text into a batch file, which on my computer is called januk.bat. It is located in my The Bat! directory. I run this file, and the reg key will be in my TB directory as well. Then I zip the whole directory into my backup drive. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. How can I miss you if you won't go away? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Backup and restore question
Hello Allie, On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:27:14 -0500 GMT (22/12/2001, 19:27 +0800 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: ACM If you're restoring to the same system, fine, and your way is the way ACM I use as well since I can automate it. ACM However, I needed to move TB! from my desktop to my new laptop. On the ACM desktop TB! was installed on Drive L: and most of the account files ACM were on Drive M:. The backup routine I have is just a backup. It assumes you want to restore TB in the same directories. If you want to move some directories, your way is truly better. ACM The only settings lost were those in the preferences dialog ACM which I sorted out in less than a minute. Surely faster and easier than moving the data to other locations manually, I agree. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Backup and restore question
@ 17:48:33 -0800 [ Fri, 21 Dec 2001], Joe Finocchiaro [JF] thoughtfully wrote the following: ... JF Does fully restoring The Bat! (e.g., after a crash, etc.) consist of the JF following: JF Assumptions are, the old Bat! was backed-up in toto, i.e., Account JF Data, Mail folders, Address Books, User Preferences, Attachment Files, JF etc., and then saved to disk. (What do Trusted Root CA and JF Intermediate Root CA mean? And do those boxes also need to be JF checked?) Those address books have to do with S/MIME and if you use S/MIME. No, you don't have to back them up since they are installed by default when you reinstall TB! JF 1. Download another copy of The Bat!, install it (after locating your JF old key and password, insert them, etc.) JF 2. Access Tools|Restore JF 3. Point to the file where the backup was stored (e.g., on a Zip disk) JF 4. Select the file JF 5. Click Okay. JF Is that pretty much the process? Indeed it is. Nice and simple. :-) I restored my setup just a couple days back in this way. You don't have to worry about where your account folders reside on disk when doing the backup. The accounts will be restored using the default locations. JF Will that completely restore a new copy of The Bat! to the *exact* JF condition of the old version? It wouldn't appear that the preferences in the Options/preferences dialog are retained. I can see with the window size and ticker location settings not being retained. However, there are other preferences that aught to be backed up and restored. Thankfully, it isn't much of a hassle to reconfigure these options. The important options, settings and data are restored just fine. -- | ©Allie Martin - Moderator o|--- | TB! v1.54 Beta/18 WinXP Home PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Backup and restore question
On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:16:47 -0800, Joe Finocchiaro [JF] graced us with these comments: ... JF Allie, I'm confused (nothing new there, eh?). How could the new JF copy of The Bat! have my old Personal Address Book files already JF installed? + It can't. :-) You were asking about trusted root ca and Intermediate Root Ca. You can select those for backup if you made changes to them. Otherwise, TB! will recreate those as it did with mine. Usually, the only address books you need to backup are the personal ones. The others may be backed up if you've made changes to them which makes them now differ from the default. JF There apparently are a few contacts that are inherited by JF default (about The Bat!) when you first install The Bat!, but I'm JF talking about my *own* Personal Address Book. By default, it JF appears to come with a check in the Personal Address Book check JF box. Well yes. The check has to be there because TB! cannot restore your personal addresses unless you back it up. On the other hand, those other address books you see are normally installed when you install TB!. I backed up only my personal address book and this is how my address book looks after I installed and restored TB!. As you can see, TB! installed all the other address books with addresses. http://www.geocities.com/acmartin.geo/address.png JF And what do Trusted Root CA and Intermediate Root CA mean? These have to do with S/MIME and S/MIME key verifications/certification. -- ©Allie C Martin -- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 [MUA: TB! v1.54 Beta/18 (*) OS: WinXP Home] ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Backup and restore question
@ 20:15:45 -0800 [ Fri, 21 Dec 2001], Joe Finocchiaro [JF] thoughtfully wrote the following: ... JF Okay. I'm in deep doo doo, I think. :-)) JF I deleted those items from the address book I inherited in my JF new copy of The Bat! Ok. You very well may not suffer especially since you didn't know what they were about. g But then, as you said, you may need them some day. I think a reinstall of TB! should restore them for you. The reinstall will not affect any of your data and settings. Those other address book folders apart from the trusted and intermediate Root Ca folders are for doing LDAP searches for addresses. Each address book represents a different LDAP server. Pity that you don't have any of them left to examine the properties of one of them. You can do searches for e-mail addresses that are stored on these LDAP servers. They're like directories. Well yes. The check has to be there because TB! cannot restore your personal addresses unless you back it up. On the other hand, those other address books you see are normally installed when you install TB!. JF Is that what the Trusted Root CA, etc. stuff is? Yes. JF Yes, that's about what I want it to look like. Unfortunately, I JF deleted them (Trusted Root CA, etc.)from the address book. Hopefully JF they're not needed, eh? JF :( This is no great loss if you don't care for S/MIME. You can look in the help at what S/MIME is about. It would take some reading to really grasp what it's about, especially if you aren't familiar with PGP. JF I have a funny feeling I've deleted that something I may need/want someday. Perhaps. Don't worry too much. :-) JF Now I'm going to have a drink of bourbon. Maybe a couple of JF drinks. That would surely relax you. g JF Geez, every time I try to tidy things up a bit, I end up deleting JF the wrong things. Don't spring clean too much. Let the sleeping dogs lie. Wake them only if you know what they're about, then they'd never bite you. Cheer up and happy drinking. :-) -- ©Allie C Martin -- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 [MUA: TB! v1.54 Beta/18 (*) OS: WinXP Home] ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Backup and restore question
Hello Allie, On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:30:21 -0500 GMT (22/12/2001, 08:30 +0800 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: ACM It wouldn't appear that the preferences in the Options/preferences ACM dialog are retained. I can see with the window size and ticker ACM location settings not being retained. However, there are other ACM preferences that aught to be backed up and restored. Thankfully, it ACM isn't much of a hassle to reconfigure these options. The important ACM options, settings and data are restored just fine. I wonder when they will finalise the Backup functionality. I am not using nor recommending it, because my old batch file is fast and backs up everything. Backup should be able to backup everything, shouldn't it? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
