Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-22 Thread azrael


On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 10:33:23 PM, Nick Andriash thoughtfully wrote:

NA Michael, the reply template I gave you will work just fine. I do note
NA however that you have two blank lines at the beginning. When you look
NA at the reply template, make sure there is no white space at the top.

There was white space now corrected.

NA On %ODATE, at %OTIMELONG, %OFROMNAME wrote:

NA The above line should be the very *first* line in the template,
NA and doing
NA that will eliminate any blank lines.

NA %WRAPPED="%QUOTES"

NA Don't forget that the above macro combination will only wrap
NA the first
NA paragraph. For all other quote paragraphs, you will have to
NA highlight and
NA use Utilities/Format Block/Left to wrap them properly.

Ouch.  Highlight / F4 wraps the first but with sequential paragraphs I
should be highlighting / (and what?, Format Block / Left) each time?

NA If you want a signature, then my suggestion would be to define
NA one, then
NA save it as a text file on your HDD. Then, add this line to your
NA template:

NA %PUT="C:\My Documents\My Signature.txt"

NA if that is what you'd name it, and where you would put it. It
NA doesn't
NA matter where it is, as long as you define that in the macro.
NA Then follow
NA up with:

NA %SINGLERE

NA as the last line in your reply template.

I'll try it shortly. "Shortly" is looking like tomorrow. Again, everyone's
help is much appreciated.

I am fuzzy on one thing. Shouldn't a reply template with a signature line
be issued in idiot-proof form for folks like me? I realize e-mail can be a
serious tool but ease of use for the entry lever user could pad the TB
accounts.

musn't grumble g

How many coronaries if I try Utilities/Format block/Alt+R ?






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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-22 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Dwight!

On Sunday, April 22, 2001 at 9:18:21 PM you wrote:

 Knowing many on this list are improving their English writing skills
 as a bonus here, here is a picky English lesson about a tricky set of
 words.  This should be (not too difficult)

Thanks for the tip. Really like that, especially since I do earn some
of my money with writing English. Rest assured *this* mistake was
a typo, others may not. :-)



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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-22 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Ottar!

On Sunday, April 22, 2001 at 8:53:55 AM you wrote:

   Of course that is possible, but I think it will just complicate
   things for now. It works very well just having the signature in the
   templates. If you use many different templates and often wants to
   change your signature, then I think this apporoach is very nice, but
   I have never found it necessary to do it myself.

You're right here for beginners or someone who uses only one (not to
difficult) signature.

If you sometimes have to change the signature and you have a lot of
templates, Nick's way is far easier.

Although I prefer the QT variant.

For Azrael: If you want a proper greeting, insert a line like Hello
%OFromFName! (without quotation marks) two lines above your date
line. And if you don't want to manually insert a blank line after
quotations put a blank line by hitting Enter between the %QUOTES and
the %CURSOR macro.

See, that was the point why I posted my complete reply template for
you.



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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-22 Thread Nick Andriash

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On April 21, 2001, at 9:18:25 PM, azrael wrote:

 There was white space now corrected.

Not quite... You still have one empty line before the On April 21
Re-check your template: There should be *no* empty line at the top of the
template, and if you take a close look at your template, I am sure you
will find one there. Put your cursor at the beginning of the first line,
and keep hitting the backspace button until you are sure there are no
spaces left.

 Ouch.  Highlight / F4 wraps the first but with sequential paragraphs I
 should be highlighting / (and what?, Format Block / Left) each time?

Yes, and it will result in nicely formatted replies. :o)  Take a look at
your message I'm replying to, and note the nicely wrapped first paragraph.
Now take a look at the remaining paragraphs and how broken the sentences
are. They are that way because you didn't highlight and reformat the
blocks as I indicated. It really doesn't take much time... and we really
should be taking more time on our replies not only to make sure they are
wrapped properly, but also to make sure we are not over quoting.

 I'll try it shortly. Shortly is looking like tomorrow. Again, everyone's
 help is much appreciated.

Our pleasure.

 I am fuzzy on one thing. Shouldn't a reply template with a signature line
 be issued in idiot-proof form for folks like me? I realize e-mail can be a
 serious tool but ease of use for the entry lever user could pad the TB
 accounts.

I agree. However, you now have a basic yet well formatted reply template
that will serve you well until such time you feel more comfortable with
macros, and can design a template of your own.

 How many coronaries if I try Utilities/Format block/Alt+R ?

Alt+R is the keyboard equivalent of using your mouse to access the Message
Editor Toolbar at Utilities/Format Block/Right, so why would you want to
confuse/combine the two? Format you text blocks *left* using one method or
the other... but not both at the same time. ;o)


Nick

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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread azrael




On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 8:37:00 AM, Dierk Haasis thoughtfully wrote:


DH OK, for the processing of the macros (specifically those that do not
DH position anything, like %SIGNCOMPLETE) it is irrelevant where they are
DH put, i.e. the %SINGLERE does work regardless if you put it at the top
DH or bottom of your template.

DH The glitch is, put at the top it will result in a
DH blank line. I think
DH it will also generate one at the bottom, *but there
DH you can't see it*
DH because afterwards is nothing to show it.

DH That's why I - who has made the same mistake out of
DH a logical process
DH when I started with TB! - now advise to put in such
DH macros at the
DH bottom.

DH My greeting is right in the first line, so no blank
DH lines will result.

DH Concerning your sig: When it is gone now, you may
DH have changed
DH something in your template or are using the wrong
DH template.

DH BTW, I am not a programmer or software engineer but
DH also of the
DH "creative" brood. And I can assure you that TB!
DH looks at the beginning
DH much more intimidating than it is. especially
DH templates are easily
DH understood in a few weeks (or days, according to the
DH time you spend
DH with TB!).

It seems today won't be a very productive day for Bat-Mods. I've
messed up everything I've touched thus far.

On %ODATE, at %OTIMELONG, %OFROMNAME wrote:

%WRAPPED="%QUOTES"
%CURSOR

%SINGLERE

The above seems correct as per your description. Please advise
me if you see a tweak I'm missing.

I believe my reply template is the correct one but I'm
noticing that a change in one set of properties seems to
sometime bollix up another set. I fear the decongestants are
affecting my judgements.

   Nice to hear I have left-brained company here. :  ) There
   is something beautifully creative about assembling a
   complex personalized tool.

  ./michael

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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello azrael!

On Saturday, April 21, 2001 at 4:22:13 PM you wrote:

 On %ODATE, at %OTIMELONG, %OFROMNAME wrote:

 %WRAPPED="%QUOTES"
 %CURSOR

 %SINGLERE

I can't see something leading to the blank lines, but I can see where
your sig is. There is none defined.

Here is my suggestion:

- -Begin template---
Hello %OFromFName!

On %ODateEn at %OTimeLongEn you wrote:

%Quotes

%Cursor

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%WRAPPED='%COOKIE="E:\Online\Bat\Sentenzen.txt"'
%LANGUAGE="BR"
%SINGLERE
- End template---

It' my own for TBUDL. You see the signature is defined in the template
(notice the sig delimiter).

The two lines after my PGP mailto denote what I use as software (see
the TBUDL communique).

Then I define the file to look for tag lines in, the spell checker's
language definition and the macro to use normal "RE:".

As indicated by my separating lines above and below there is no blank
space at the top or bottom of my reply template.


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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread azrael


On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 10:46:01 AM, Dierk Haasis thoughtfully wrote:


DH I can't see something leading to the blank lines, but I can see where
DH your sig is. There is none defined.

   Under Accounts, Properties, Templates, Reply both the %FromFName and
   %FromAddress  remain listed.


DH Here is my
   suggestion:

DH - -Begin template---
DH Hello %OFromFName!

DH On %ODateEn at %OTimeLongEn you wrote:

DH %Quotes

DH %Cursor

   Sorry Dierk. I don't understand the suggestion. It's
   likely me, not you. I'm still in a fog.

  ./michael

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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread azrael




On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 11:22:58 AM, Ottar Grimstad thoughtfully wrote:


OG  Only if none of these templates have been made, is the generic reply
OG template for the account used.
  

Hello %OFromFName,

%ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you kindly wrote:

%Quotes
%Cursor

-- 
Best regards,
 %FromFNamemailto:%FromAddr

   This is the template I found my TBUDL folder using.

   ./michael



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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello azrael!

On Saturday, April 21, 2001 at 5:57:38 PM you wrote:

Under Accounts, Properties, Templates, Reply both the %FromFName and
%FromAddress  remain listed.

Here you got me totally wrong.

What I meant was, TB! does not use the usual extra signature
definition like let's say Agent or OE does. You have to put in your
signature into the templates.

Maybe we mean something different by "signature". I mean the part you
will find at the end of this message starting with "-- ", next line
being my name.

My own signature is complicated because I also use PGP signing, which
denotes something completely different (it's like real signature only
not by hand and ink but electronically). To see what I mean I won't
PGP-sign this message.


Sorry Dierk. I don't understand the suggestion. It's
likely me, not you. I'm still in a fog.

Just compare my template with yours, I explained the lines (some of
them) at the end of the mail. It may help you in understanding
templates.

BTW, how come you have so much indentation for your text?



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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread azrael




On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 1:04:06 PM, Dierk Haasis thoughtfully wrote:


DH Here you got me totally wrong.

DH What I meant was, TB! does not use the usual extra DH signature DH
definition like let's say Agent or OE does. You have DH to put in your
DH signature into the templates.

 Using Compuserve rather than IE, OE or Agent I have little to no
 experience with these entities.

DH Maybe we mean something different by "signature". I
DH mean the part you
DH will find at the end of this message starting with
DH "-- ", next line
DH being my name.

I took sig to mean :regards, azrael and my accompanying address.


  DH My own signature is complicated because I also use
DH PGP signing, which DH denotes something completely different (it's
like DH real signature only DH not by hand and ink but electronically).
To see what DH I mean I won't DH PGP-sign this message.

  This was what I received;

Dierk Haasis

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 That's pretty much what I thought a sig was as opposed to a sig file
 which I think usually means a corporate identifier or a personal
 quotation.

Sorry Dierk. I don't
 understand the suggestion. It's
likely me, not you. I'm still
 in a fog.

DH Just compare my template with yours, I explained the
DH lines (some of
DH them) at the end of the mail. It may help you in
DH understanding
DH templates.

DH BTW, how come you have so much indentation for your text?

  Probably because an auto indent button I thought might be a good move
  was not such a good move.

  There are simply too many settings here for one as untutored as I to be
  trusted with experimenting. I fully expect to need to nuke this install
  of The Bat and start afresh. Before I do I need to learn enough not to
  screw up that install.

 I appreciate your patience but think we don't have a common set of
 references. The templates seem all the more confusing now that I
 realize each folder can have it's own reply template. While that
 makes sense, it complicates the concepts.

   ./michael

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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:39:45 -0400, azrael graced us with these comments:

a There are simply too many settings here for one as untutored as I to be
a trusted with experimenting. I fully expect to need to nuke this install
a of The Bat and start afresh. Before I do I need to learn enough not to
a screw up that install.

Why would you need to nuke the installation? I doubt very much that you'd
have to do that.

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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread azrael


On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 1:57:22 PM, Ottar Grimstad thoughtfully wrote:

OG  Check the Reply template in the address book entry for this list.

OG   Check that the text starts on the very first line.

OG   Add the following to the bottom of the template:

OG "--
OG Best regards,
OG  %FromFNamemailto:%FromAddr"

OG  There should be a space after the two hyphens

OG  And I think you should have got your signature back

 Voila!  (sort of)

 Your post put the hyphens above the 'Best regards, line but it seemed in
 mentioning a space after you wished it all on the same line.

 Except for an unnecessary quotation mark it looks fine here.  There is
 the small matter of it not having an address but I need the practice of
 cleaning it up. g

 What symbols are necessary for this line?
 Using The Bat! 1.51 on Windows 98 version 4,10

 I tightened everything vertically. Should I tighten horizontally as well?

 I appreciate your kind help.

  ./michael
 



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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread azrael


On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 1:58:29 PM, A Curtis Martin thoughtfully wrote:

ACM Why would you need to nuke the installation? I doubt very much that
ACM you'd have to do that.

   My experience setting up my first LAN required several scorched earth
   installs of W2K before I was password free.




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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Ottar,

On 21 April 2001 at  22:41:44 +0200 (which was 21:41 where I  live)
Ottar Grimstad wrote to azrael and made these points:

a  Except for an unnecessary quotation mark it looks fine here.  There is
a  the small matter of it not having an address but I need the practice of
a  cleaning it up. g

OG   I just put in those hyphens so the editor should not think it was my
OG   own signature. Sorry, I should have told that. Just remove the
OG   hyphens.

Better yet, the exact description of the "cut mark" for a signature is
newlinedashdashspacenewline.

I cannot show you this because I sign my messages with PGP. PGP adds
and extra dashspace at the fron of any line beginning with dashes.

I put mine *before* my name because there is no need for that to be
quoted at the end of a reply which bears it at the top and in the
address already.

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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread azrael


On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 4:41:44 PM, Ottar Grimstad thoughtfully wrote:

OG I just put in those hyphens so the editor should not think it was my
OG own signature. Sorry, I should have told that. Just remove the
OG hyphens.

I like them. I just wish I could get azrael back. Perhaps I'll feed it
./michael and see if it approves.






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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread azrael


On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 4:51:41 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone thoughtfully wrote:

MDP Better yet, the exact description of the "cut mark" for a signature
MDP is newlinedashdashspacenewline.

Thought I'd try that approach to perhaps recapture azrael.

- - Best regards,- - mailto:@dtsnia.net

It likes hyphens.

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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread azrael


On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 6:42:14 PM, Ottar Grimstad thoughtfully wrote:

OG You see that I just write out all personal information in full without
OG using macros. It is only me using this mail program so I do not have
OG to use macros to identify myself.

OG This way you can write ./michael or azrael or your full
OG name and
OG proper mailaddress and whatever

OG On the last line I use macros to identify my Bat! version
OG and
OG windows version - but that is really not necessary.

OG I very much recommend though that you start the signature
OG with --  (two
OG hyphens space and newline) because that is the norm that
OG most
OG mailprogramsuse to differentiate between message text and
OG signature when
OG quoting.

Quite the improvement Ottar.G

 Two hyphens/space/new line and I'm in business.

Since TB edited out Azrael it saves me from typing ./michael too.

I can tell there is something going on with the line spacing though. It
wants to jump up a line unless I drop down two lines to start a new
sentence.

No one yet confirmed that my indenting had improved. If that's been
repaired it's been a fruitfull day

Again Ottar, most kind.







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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:13:24 -0400, azrael thoughtfully wrote the
following:

a No one yet confirmed that my indenting had improved. If that's been
a repaired it's been a fruitfull day

BTW, Michael, TB!'s editor is truly WYSIWYG in nature. Therefore the
formatting that you see before you hit send is what everyone else will see
when they receive your message.

If you see indenting in front of you while you're composing, we'll see the
same thing when we get it. This offers you a great deal of control and
confidence in your message formatting.

IOW's, there's no need to ask us if the indenting is gone or still there.
You can see for yourself. ;=)

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Re: Blank lines at the top of a message

2001-04-21 Thread Nick Andriash

On April 21, 2001, at 9:18:03 AM, azrael wrote:

   Yes Ottar, Use a specific template for replies is checked and I'm
   using the Reply Format Nick gave me.

Michael, the reply template I gave you will work just fine. I do note
however that you have two blank lines at the beginning. When you look at
the reply template, make sure there is no white space at the top.

On %ODATE, at %OTIMELONG, %OFROMNAME wrote:

The above line should be the very *first* line in the template, and doing
that will eliminate any blank lines.

%WRAPPED=%QUOTES

Don't forget that the above macro combination will only wrap the first
paragraph. For all other quote paragraphs, you will have to highlight and
use Utilities/Format Block/Left to wrap them properly.

If you want a signature, then my suggestion would be to define one, then
save it as a text file on your HDD. Then, add this line to your template:

%PUT=C:\My Documents\My Signature.txt

if that is what you'd name it, and where you would put it. It doesn't
matter where it is, as long as you define that in the macro. Then follow
up with:

%SINGLERE

as the last line in your reply template.


Nick

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