Re: Blank lines in template
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Adam [A] wrote:'
A How would you see blank space?
A Could you load a character set that turns spaces into dots?
I select the text with the mouse.
You can try it with my signature delimiter. You'll see the extra
space after the double dash is preserved.
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Re: Blank lines in template
Hello Allie, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:07:53 -0500 GMT (01/01/03, 12:07 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: TF TB's editor will cut off any trailing blanks at the end of the TF line (with the exception of the one after the two dashes in the TF sig delimiter), and any trailing lines at the end of the text. Actually, this doesn't happen. Allie, I just sent a message to myself. It contained several empty lines at the end. When I received it, there were no empty lines at the end. (Checked this by marking with the mouse.) I did the same on TBOT, again the trailing empty lines are gone. Easy to see, as tehre is a Yahoo-footer. And here is the surprising part: When I check my Sent folder, the message there has no trailing empty lines either. So they are cut off by TB even before the message is sent. It's the GnuPG plug-in that specifically does this stripping of trailing blank lines. Signing with GPG Shell leads to preservation of blank spaces. I don't pretend to know the difference between the GnuPG plug-in and the GPG Shell, but maybe the former signs after TB's editor has cut off the empty lines, while the latter does the signing before saving (and thus, when TB's editor saves the message, the empty lines are not trailing any more but followed by more characters, namely the sig). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Bureaucrats do not change the course of the ship of state. They merely adjust the compass. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank lines in template
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
Actually, this doesn't happen.
TF Allie, I just sent a message to myself. It contained several
TF empty lines at the end. When I received it, there were no empty
TF lines at the end. (Checked this by marking with the mouse.)
TF I did the same on TBOT, again the trailing empty lines are gone.
TF Easy to see, as tehre is a Yahoo-footer.
TF And here is the surprising part: When I check my Sent folder,
TF the message there has no trailing empty lines either. So they
TF are cut off by TB even before the message is sent.
Ok, I now see where you're coming from and in that case, I do agree
with you. This does occur when nothing else is done with the message
text prior to being actually sent by TB!. However, we're not
referring to this.
We're referring to what happens to those extra line feeds when
the message is being signing by the PGP/GnuPG plug-in.
TF I don't pretend to know the difference between the GnuPG plug-in
TF and the GPG Shell, but maybe the former signs after TB's editor
TF has cut off the empty lines, while the latter does the signing
TF before saving (and thus, when TB's editor saves the message, the
TF empty lines are not trailing any more but followed by more
TF characters, namely the sig).
If you put line feeds after your signature and manually sign with
the GnuPG plug-in the extra line feeds are stripped. This is without
even hitting the send key. However, if I sign with GPG Shell, the
line feeds inserted by my signature template are preserved.
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Re: Blank lines in template
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tom, @1-Jan-2003, 17:33 +1100 (06:33 UK time) Tom Sadler [TS] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: TS Is this problem limited only to gnupg plugin or does it extend TS to pgp also? Just GnuPG. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+EtTdOeQkq5KdzaARAkFbAJ4g41U9JhAbEWCYFiHlDQX0W2DFPwCg9DoT tI5VTyGyUE/LniqWaSobqA8= =w9oY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank lines in template
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Tom Sadler [TS] wrote:'
TS I'll use a line separator. Is this problem limited only to gnupg
TS plugin or does it extend to pgp also?
Even if you manually sign with the PGP plug-in, extra line feeds
will be stripped. However, the PGP plug-in will leave or insert a
line feed before it's signature insertion.
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Re: Blank lines in template
Hello Allie, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 07:18:20 -0500 GMT (01/01/03, 19:18 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: TF And here is the surprising part: When I check my Sent folder, TF the message there has no trailing empty lines either. So they TF are cut off by TB even before the message is sent. Ok, I now see where you're coming from and in that case, I do agree with you. This does occur when nothing else is done with the message text prior to being actually sent by TB!. However, we're not referring to this. I think we are. I think the plug-in kicks in after the save action of TB, which cuts off the extra empty lines. the shell version does its action before that. We're referring to what happens to those extra line feeds when the message is being signing by the PGP/GnuPG plug-in. Yes, I agree. But I believe it's the when the signing is done. If you put line feeds after your signature and manually sign with the GnuPG plug-in the extra line feeds are stripped. While I am repeating myself, I don't think it's the GnuPG plug-in that strips the extra line feeds. Read on: This is without even hitting the send key. What if TB executes a save, which strips the extra lines, and the result is what the plug-in is executed on? *This is my point.* However, if I sign with GPG Shell, the line feeds inserted by my signature template are preserved. The shell (which is external) won't execute the save first, so the extra lines are not cut off. Remark: I don't know whether this is what actually happens, but it does make sense from a programmer's POV. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank lines in template
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
If you put line feeds after your signature and manually sign with
the GnuPG plug-in the extra line feeds are stripped.
TF While I am repeating myself, I don't think it's the GnuPG
TF plug-in that strips the extra line feeds. Read on:
This is without even hitting the send key.
TF What if TB executes a save, which strips the extra lines, and
TF the result is what the plug-in is executed on? *This is my
TF point.*
You may very well be right on this since signing with either the PGP
or GNUPG plug-in immediately after composing and without hitting the
send key does strip the extra line feeds at the end. Extra line
feeds are stripped even when not signing so the plug-ins may very
well be just innocent bystanders.
I do concede your point Thomas. :))
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Re: Blank lines in template
Hello Allie, Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 1:37:53 AM, you wrote: AM Actually, this doesn't happen. It's the GnuPG plug-in that AM specifically does this stripping of trailing blank lines. AM Signing with GPG Shell leads to preservation of blank spaces. AM See my signature below. How would you see blank space? Could you load a character set that turns spaces into dots? -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank lines in template
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Tom, TS How do I add extra blank lines at the bottom of templates? I'm using TS GNUPG and the signature ends hard up against the taglines One hard return at the end of your template and then space one time. - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPhJlq13LB35+TCg0EQLxoACeNXk2ZbAMrlP3pGOmjx0aOEDwDqoAn3gO zqEsdXeEeeId41+gCxT4vaXS =IyQR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank lines in template
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tom, @1-Jan-2003, 14:47 +1100 (03:47 UK time) Tom Sadler [TS] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: TS How do I add extra blank lines at the bottom of templates? TS I'm using GNUPG and the signature ends hard up against the TS taglines ... The only thing that works is to put a printable TS character eg: . at the bottom to separate the two. I've TS obviously missed something - Actually, you haven't. Your choices are: use the plugin and be forced to choose a line separator (see my sig) because all trailing blank lines are stripped or to use the GPGShell tray tool and allow it to do your clearsigning for you (in which case spaces are preserved) - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+EmizOeQkq5KdzaARAgJLAJ960kHhekILeJ4PmdULFixktYo1UQCfauPG z6Wb4DFVzO1rq+uWTrArDHU= =lMQd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank lines in template
Hello Tom, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 14:47:01 +1100 GMT (01/01/03, 10:47 +0700 GMT), Tom Sadler wrote: How do I add extra blank lines at the bottom of templates? Do this: signature. The only thing that works is to put a printable character eg: . at the bottom to separate the two. TB's editor will cut off any trailing blanks at the end of the line (with the exception of the one after the two dashes in the sig delimiter), and any trailing lines at the end of the text. Sorry, I don't know any other way. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. When they broke open molecules, they found they were only stuffed with atoms. But when they broke open atoms, they found them stuffed with explosions. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blank lines in template
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF TB's editor will cut off any trailing blanks at the end of the
TF line (with the exception of the one after the two dashes in the
TF sig delimiter), and any trailing lines at the end of the text.
Actually, this doesn't happen. It's the GnuPG plug-in that
specifically does this stripping of trailing blank lines.
Signing with GPG Shell leads to preservation of blank spaces.
See my signature below.
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Re: Blank lines in template
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gi'day All, It is established that on Wednesday, 1 January 2003, at 04:04:02[GMT +](which was 3:04 PM where I live) you wrote: MDP Actually, you haven't. Your choices are: use the plugin and be MDP forced to choose a line separator Thanks for the replies. It's reassuring to know I didn't miss anything - I spent about an hour this morning trying to solve it :-( I'll use a line separator. Is this problem limited only to gnupg plugin or does it extend to pgp also? - -- Cheers, Tom Sydney, Australia And now for some feedback: EEE ___ Proudly using The Bat! Version 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE+Eous6o4HvAGcunkRAkDnAJ9q6JlqTzA/H0J0WkQDkmygNERZBwCglrcP 2ZUKM9H5as0Qi47TL7dm1l4= =q2Ih -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
