Re: Help with View Modes
On Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 23:31 (which was Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 17:31 where I am) Thomas Fernandez wrote: I don't know other software with view mode capabilities like this new version of TB, so I'll pass. I do. Novell's GroupWise has something similar, but the implementation is different and does not have a 'global' setting. Actually, TB! way of doing things has much more options than the way it is done in GroupWise. GroupWise only knows about folder-specific and named settings. There is no 'account default' or 'parent' setting available. Also, there is no way in GroupWise to apply a certain View mode to multiple folders at once, one needs to open the folder properties of each folder, switch to the correct tab, and select the view mode manually. Now, that doesn't mean there is nothing that is good about GroupWise's way of handling this feature. Instead of a context menu that selects a global viewmode, the context menu of the message headings allows changes to the configuration of the currently selected viewmode or folder specific settings such as adding new columns by selecting them from the drop-down menu (limited set with all others available through 'other columns' which invokes GroupWise's equivalent of the View mode configuration dialog). Also, in GroupWise it is possible to drag and drop the column headings to re-arrange them or remove them from the list of visible columns. If this were implemented instead of the dropdown with the globally applied View mode that is so easily misunderstood, the feature would gain useability while reducing the confusion thus killing two birds with one stone. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.03.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hi Ken, I got the view settings to work trying your method. However, if I right click in a folder, it will show it is using a different view mode to what it should be, so I think that the whole view modes thing in The Bat! is a little buggy... Thanks, Chris Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hello Chris, On Sunday, December 14, 2003, 11:00:39 AM, you wrote: However, if I right click in a folder, it will show it is using a different view mode to what it should be, so I think that the whole view modes thing in The Bat! is a little buggy... Same here, the view that the folder shows when right clicking on it is not the one that the folder properties will show. (in my case the right click will show none) -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.02 CE, Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Pleasure and joy are deceptive To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hello Edgar, On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:14:58 +0100 GMT (14/12/2003, 17:14 +0700 GMT), Edgar wrote: Same here, the view that the folder shows when right clicking on it is not the one that the folder properties will show. (in my case the right click will show none) Doesn't none mean use the default as set under View / View Mode? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Man kann es neun Wochen ohne Essen aushalten, aber dann ist man natuerlich tot... Message reply created with The Bat! 2.02.3 CE under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hello Thomas, On Sunday, December 14, 2003, 4:10:25 PM, you wrote: Same here, the view that the folder shows when right clicking on it is not the one that the folder properties will show. (in my case the right click will show none) Doesn't none mean use the default as set under View / View Mode? If it does it's still wrong because it does not use that one but a created one called mailinglists -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.02 CE, Windows 2000 5.0.2195 The vermine is a small black and white relative of the lemming, found in the cold Hublandish regions. Its skin is rare and highly valued, especially by the vermine itself; the selfish little bastard will do anything rather than let go of it. -- Terry Pratchett To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote:
Same here, the view that the folder shows when right clicking on it
is not the one that the folder properties will show. (in my case the
right click will show none)
TF Doesn't none mean use the default as set under View / View Mode?
This is my take on things.
There are some who prefer to keep things simple and they may wish to
work globally with a particular view mode.
The view mode settings invoked via the main window's message list header
bar are global. Selecting a particular view there leads to the view
being applied on all folders across all accounts. It does seem to
over-ride all other folder specific settings.
However, if you wish to be more complicated, i.e., use specific view
modes for specific folders etc., then you can't apply a global view and
instead have to set that global view mode to 'none'.
IMO, this setup seems reasonable to me, except that from a user
interface standpoint, it's misleading and far from intuitive in design.
I have a problem with such a global setting being accessible from the
message list header bar. Intuitively, one would assume that the menu for
the message list header bar would apply to that particular folders
message list. Every other View Mode menu does this, so it only
follows
What do you think?
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Re: Help with View Modes
Hello Allie, On Sunday, December 14, 2003, 4:48:07 PM, you wrote: The view mode settings invoked via the main window's message list header bar are global. Selecting a particular view there leads to the view being applied on all folders across all accounts. It does seem to over-ride all other folder specific settings. However, if you wish to be more complicated, i.e., use specific view modes for specific folders etc., then you can't apply a global view and instead have to set that global view mode to 'none'. IMO, this setup seems reasonable to me, except that from a user interface standpoint, it's misleading and far from intuitive in design. I have a problem with such a global setting being accessible from the message list header bar. Intuitively, one would assume that the menu for the message list header bar would apply to that particular folders message list. Every other View Mode menu does this, so it only follows This is explaining the behavior of the menu items and looking at it with this in mind, almost sounds logical ;-) -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.02 CE, Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Crying is the refuge of plain women but the ruin of pretty ones. - Oscar Wilde To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hi Thomas, on Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:10:25 +0700GMT (14.12.03, 16:10 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Same here, the view that the folder shows when right clicking on it is not the one that the folder properties will show. (in my case the right click will show none) TF Doesn't none mean use the default as set under View / View Mode? I have it here that none uses the option set in folder properties. -- Cheers Peter Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Winamp currently playing: Enzo Stuarti - O Come All Ye Faithful Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hello Allie, On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:48:07 -0500 GMT (14/12/2003, 22:48 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: IMO, this setup seems reasonable to me, ACK. except that from a user interface standpoint, it's misleading and far from intuitive in design. Once I grabbed the concept, it suddenly became clear. I have a problem with such a global setting being accessible from the message list header bar. I think it is the right place for them. Intuitively, one would assume that the menu for the message list header bar would apply to that particular folders message list. Every other View Mode menu does this, so it only follows I don't know other software with view mode capabilities like this new version of TB, so I'll pass. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I'm in favor of love as long as it doesn't happen when 'The Simpsons' are on TV. (Anita, 6) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.02.3 CE under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hello Chris, On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:46:16 +1100 GMT (12/12/2003, 13:46 +0700 GMT), Chris wrote: Does anyone else have a problem with not being able to apply the view modes properly? In my case, I can apply a view mode to my whole set of folders, but I cannot apply a different view mode to single folders. Have you tried right-clicking on the folder and choosing Folder View Mode? I understand any mode set there is valid only for that folder. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Schule (Tollwut! Gefahrteter Bezirk.) * Message reply created with The Bat! 2.02.3 CE under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hello Thomas, Friday, December 12, 2003, 9:22:48 AM, you wrote: Have you tried right-clicking on the folder and choosing Folder View Mode? I understand any mode set there is valid only for that folder. You are correct. But the result with view modes is not predictable, the view mode settings are not respected or sometimes saved properly. Here a some examples: - selected columns are no longer selected or size down to 0 - column size wider then defined, yet they come back to the correct size after going into the view mode editor and clicking on OK to exit, without making changes. And, if you select Use Folder Specific Settings and use Setup Columns in the drop-down menu when right-clicking on the columns headers, the columns settings do stay as predicted. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Senior Software Developer ACCRA Group Inc. (www.accra.ca) ACCRA Med Software Inc. (www.filopto.com) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hello Chris, Thursday, December 11, 2003, 10:46:16 PM, you wrote: C Does anyone else have a problem with not being able to apply C the view modes properly? In my case, I can apply a view mode to my C whole set of folders, but I cannot apply a different view mode to C single folders. I can see when I go into that folder, that the C different view mode is indeed checked (which means that the C different columns should be showing), but the columns shown are of C the view mode that is applied to all folders. Using v2.02.3 I read this whole thread, and then played around, and here is what I found: - As someone stated, View-View Mode must be none. - Setup *everything* in Manage View Modes (which can be found in Options-Preferences-Messages-View Modes. - Setup each individual view mode - Then, go into the Use By and click on all the folders that should use each view mode (I think you need to also click the Account as well) I have found that the Folder Properties View Mode setting does not work. -- Cheers, Ken Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
