Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-27 Thread Allie C Martin

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Jan Rifkinson [JR] wrote:

JR   NOD32 stopped TB! in it's tracks by waiting for a user
JR   response to TB's infected temp file.

That's terribly unusual.

I've downloaded quite a few viruses with Amon running and TB! has
never been stopped.

OTOH, I got this machine with NAV2002 and I soon after detected its
presence when it did stop TB! during an infected message download.
Since I knew about the temp file problem (reported on this list), I
just excluded the temp file from real time scanning and that stopped
the problem.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-27 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Allie.

At 4:39 AM on Thursday, June 27, 2002 you wrote the
following about [Mail downloading problems]:

ACM [...] Since I knew about the temp file problem
ACM (reported on this list), I just excluded the temp file
ACM from real time scanning and that stopped the problem.
ACM [/...]

 I think, but I'm not sure, that I had NOD32 set to wait for
 a user response rather than automating NOD's work when it
 spots a virus. That would explain it. OTOH, if it starts up
 again, I'll remember to exclude *the* .tmp file but I was
 under the impression that TB! numbers it's temp files so
 the names vary.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-27 Thread Allie C Martin

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JR  I think, but I'm not sure, that I had NOD32 set to wait for
JR  a user response rather than automating NOD's work when it
JR  spots a virus. That would explain it. OTOH, if it starts up
JR  again, I'll remember to exclude *the* .tmp file but I was
JR  under the impression that TB! numbers it's temp files so
JR  the names vary.

You shouldn't have to exclude the temp file from scanning when using
NOD32. I don't and have no problems. It's likely to be the fact that
you configured it to prompt for action.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-27 Thread tracer

Hello Allie C Martin,
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:27:03 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, June 28, 2002, 3:27:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Allie C Martin wrote:


 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Jan Rifkinson [JR] wrote:

JR  I think, but I'm not sure, that I had NOD32 set to wait for
JR  a user response rather than automating NOD's work when it
JR  spots a virus. That would explain it. OTOH, if it starts up
JR  again, I'll remember to exclude *the* .tmp file but I was
JR  under the impression that TB! numbers it's temp files so
JR  the names vary.

 You shouldn't have to exclude the temp file from scanning when using
 NOD32. I don't and have no problems. It's likely to be the fact that
 you configured it to prompt for action.

I set all my customers up as clean if possible and if not quarantine.




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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-26 Thread Tim Musson

Hey tracer,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60m) Personal
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on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 8:28:12 PM.

t Cleanout your tempdir
t It could be full

Not in Windows...  The temp directory is a directory, and if it is
full, then the disk is full and Joyce has already indicated that there
are GB of free disk space (003501c21b99$98513400$920e08d5@joycesala">mid:003501c21b99$98513400$920e08d5@joycesala).

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-26 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Daniel,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Business
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 8:43:44 AM.

DvRC Run MSConfig.exe (rightmost tab), to temporarily stop NAV from
DvRC launching at startup.

What is this tool? Where do you find it? I did a search on my system
and didn't come up with it...

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-26 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Daniel,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Business
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 9:55:34 AM.

DvRC I think it comes with Win98.

That would explain it, I have 2k.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-26 Thread tracer

Hello Tim Musson,
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:07:12 -0400 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 9:07:12 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Tim Musson wrote:


 Hey Daniel,

 My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Business
 to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 9:55:34 AM.

DvRC I think it comes with Win98.

 That would explain it, I have 2k.

I have a hacked version somewhere which works under 2000...



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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-25 Thread Joyce Sala



Joyce Sala wrote in
 003501c21b99$98513400$920e08d5@joycesala">mid:003501c21b99$98513400$920e08d5@joycesala
  Do you have write priviliges to that directory?

  Nope.

 You don't? Isn't that a problem in itself?

Actually, i think I misunderstood Lars... If the question meant
whether I can write into the Temp directory, then the answer is
yes: all my other software does it. What I meant was, that *I*
didn't do anything to preclude access (nor would I know how
to:(

 Please do not quote signatures and footers when replying to the
list.

 Please use quote marks on text to which you are replying.

a. If you are referring to the signatures of the people I'm
responding to, then I certainly will pay attention to that; if
however you are talking about MY signature, then I'm confused: you
seem to have some sort of signature. What am I missing here?

b. Quoting marks: my good ol' Netscape had that feature and it
worked.
Here, in this awful OE6, it is checked on the plain text format,
but though I'm writing to you in plain text (at least, I think I
am...) it doesn't show it to you.

A, I wanna outta here of this junk program a.s.a.p.!!

 All I'll say is don't do that here!
Got it: each list and their preferences...;)

To those who asked: yes, I'm using Win98se. I use NAV 2002, daily
updated, and yes *normally* it download the infected message
directly into its Quarantine directory and opens a window with the
warning. This is why I'm also baffled. One tip: I have no problem
downloading messages with OE or with Opera, so the problem really
seems to be TB! related, and not message/server/virus related.

In deference to the old PC (primitive computer: solve by re-set)
tradition, maybe it's simpler if I uninstall and reinstall TB!
altogether?

What do you guys say?

Thanks for your patience and amicability.

Joyce


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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-25 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Joyce,

@25 June 2002, 13:05:27 +0200 (12:05 UK time) Joyce Sala wrote in
00c401c21c38$37359540$920e08d5@joycesala">mid:00c401c21c38$37359540$920e08d5@joycesala

 What I meant was, that *I* didn't do anything to preclude access
 (nor would I know how to:(

Good - okay that's clearer.

 Please do not quote signatures and footers when replying to the

 list. Please use quote marks on text to which you are replying.

 a. If you are referring to the signatures of the people I'm
 responding to,

I am.

 then I certainly will pay attention to that;

Thank you - you have :-).

 if however you are talking about MY signature, then I'm confused:
 you seem to have some sort of signature. What am I missing here?

No problem with *your* signature - it's fine :-).

 A, I wanna outta here of this junk program a.s.a.p.!!

LOL! Let's try to get you moved then!

 To those who asked: yes, I'm using Win98se. I use NAV 2002, daily
 updated, and yes *normally* it download the infected message
 directly into its Quarantine directory and opens a window with the
 warning. This is why I'm also baffled.

Okay - this is the problem. Such behaviour badly interferes with the
way TB works and actually stops it working. It's a case of NAV pulling
the rug from under TB's feet.

 One tip: I have no problem downloading messages with OE or with
 Opera, so the problem really seems to be TB! related, and not
 message/server/virus related.

It is almost certainly virus related. You have to stop NAV
quarantining the virus infected email in temp. It's killing TB to have
the file it was working on and in the middle of using suddenly locked.

 In deference to the old PC (primitive computer: solve by re-set)
 tradition, maybe it's simpler if I uninstall and reinstall TB!
 altogether?

No, that won't help. Uninstall NAV and use a less violent AV solution.
That will help. TB has plug-ins available for many of the more popular
brands.

Disable NAV while you download your mail with TB. That will help.

TB will *not* let you get unwittingly infected by simply receiving a
virus. Let TB download all of your mail unimpeded by NAV *then* turn
NAV back on and you'll be perfectly safe.

 What do you guys say?

 Also: I went into the dispatcher and there is no mention of
 viruses.

It won't. It just shows you a list of the messages on your server. You
can then use it to manually remove (without downloading) any message
that looks like it may contain a virus infection. KLEZ is the main one
going round at the moment. A KLEZ infected message will often come
from someone you don't really know and is 120kb to 200kb in size.

Once you have removed the infected message, it will be like pulling
the cork from a bottle and the mail will then download smoothly.

I would seriously reconsider the use of NAV though. It's not one for
the less technical because of the other problems it causes. Also, the
developers take no responsibility for the aftermath of false
positives - when, through a mistake they have made in the
identification database - their software deletes and corrupts
perfectly innocent files, damaging other software installed on your
computer. This really happened with NAV! They released an update on a
Friday night with a bad ID in the database and switched the phones off
for the weekend. My disgust knows no bounds.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-25 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Daniel,

@25 June 2002, 13:04:59 +0200 (12:04 UK time) Daniel van Rooijen
[CopyCats] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 is there any way at all that an incoming message could have its
 attachment executed, or trigger a macro?

Not without the user double-clicking the attachment, ignoring the huge
warning box that comes up, clicking on a Go on - hurt me bad button
and generally submitting to a death-wish. IOW No. Not without doing so
longhand. Nothing automatic.

 Could The Bat's functionality be abused by a third party program to
 spread worms (that is: is the Outbox etc protected from outside
 meddling)? I'm not worrying, but if there's any vulnerability, it
 would be good to be aware of it.

There was a vulnerability at one point where a specially constructed
header could exploit a loophole and maybe save a file on the hard
disk. Nothing would have made it execute that file automatically and
the hole has long since (18 months?) been plugged. It was fixed within
24 hours IIRC.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-25 Thread Thomas F

Hello Daniel,

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:04:59 +0200 GMT (25/06/02, 18:04 +0700 GMT),
Daniel van Rooijen [CopyCats] wrote:

MDP They released an update on a Friday night with a bad ID in the
MDP database and switched the phones off for the weekend. My disgust
MDP knows no bounds.

DvRC Hear, hear! That type of behavior seems typical of the major
DvRC publishers.

I cannot confirm this for Trend Microsystems, whose PC-Cillin I use.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-25 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Tuesday, June 25, 2002, 5:38:29 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

 To those who asked: yes, I'm using Win98se. I use NAV 2002, daily
 updated, and yes *normally* it download the infected message
 directly into its Quarantine directory and opens a window with the
 warning. This is why I'm also baffled.

 Okay - this is the problem. Such behaviour badly interferes with the
 way TB works and actually stops it working. It's a case of NAV pulling
 the rug from under TB's feet.

 One tip: I have no problem downloading messages with OE or with
 Opera, so the problem really seems to be TB! related, and not
 message/server/virus related.

 It is almost certainly virus related. You have to stop NAV
 quarantining the virus infected email in temp. It's killing TB to have
 the file it was working on and in the middle of using suddenly locked.

Sorry, but you are wrong on this one. The business about false
positives is pretty outrageous, but NAV does not stop TB! when it
finds a virus. It puts up a dialog window asking what you want done
with the virus, and goes on and processes mail. This weekend my
computer ran for several hours unattended, and NAV detected three
viruses, at various times during mail checks, left me with three
different windows asking what to do with each virus, and downloaded
mail as it came in. (I haven't had a temp file problem for months
either).

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-25 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Dwight,

@25 June 2002, 09:19:34 -0500 (15:19 UK time) Dwight A Corrin wrote in
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 It is almost certainly virus related. You have to stop NAV
 quarantining the virus infected email in temp. It's killing TB to have
 the file it was working on and in the middle of using suddenly locked.

 Sorry, but you are wrong on this one. The business about false
 positives is pretty outrageous,

Isn't it though! :-).

 but NAV does not stop TB! when it finds a virus. It puts up a dialog
 window asking what you want done with the virus, and goes on and
 processes mail.

Okay, but this is reported behaviour. I'm only repeating previous
advice and commentary. I think it may be a matter of configuration and
response. There is something you can do at the point of notification
that *does* stop TB in its tracks. It doesn't happen to everyone but
it seems that it *does* happen. I believe it is happening to Joyce.

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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-25 Thread Daniel Grunberg

Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:15:03[GMT -0500]   (4:15 PM EDST) Allie C Martin
wrote:
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Daniel
 Grunberg [DG] wrote:

DG 1. I used my browser to go to http://www.e-mailanywhere.com/, a
DG Web-based site for accessing an existing pop-based e-mail account
DG that I had read about.

 You do realize don't you, that you could have used TB!'s own message
 dispatcher to do the same thing.

I do now, although I didn't then.


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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Marcus Ohlstrm


On Monday, June 24, 2002, 17:20, Joyce Sala wrote:

 A week later - that is today - I came back to TB and suddenly I have a
 very strange problem that prevents me from downloading my mail.

 It recognizes the server and even tells me how many messages it's
 going to download. Then during the actual process, it tells me:
 Received message from X, subject Y, etc. etc.
 Could not store message (file name: C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp)

Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?

Do you have write priviliges to that directory?

Is there space available on the C: drive?

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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Joyce,
On Monday, June 24, 2002 at 17:20:47 [GMT +0200], you wrote:

 It recognizes the server and even tells me how many messages it's
 going to download. Then during the actual process, it tells me:
 Received message from X, subject Y, etc. etc. Could not store
 message (file name: C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp) Where X  Y are
 precise details of the message (i.e. it reads the message properties),
 and 123 is a serial number for the message.

TB! stores downloaded messages in a temporary file before actually
importing it into its message base. This is the
C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp file you are referring to. It seems that
something prevents TB! from creating this file.

One common reason for such behaviour is that one message in your mailbox
is infected with a virus and a virus scanner prevents TB! from creating
the temporary file. That way, the infected mail is never deleted from
the server (because the deletion takes only place after successfully
importing a message to the message base) and is downloaded again every
time you check your mail. Try the mail dispatcher (Account - Dispatch
messages on server - All messages) to have a look at your messages on
the server.

BTW, the users on this list are usually very kind and help each other
without shouting in the subject or setting messages to high priority.
:-)

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Joyce Sala

Hi Marcus,

Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?
Yes, with all the temp files it made from TB.

Do you have write priviliges to that directory?
Nope.

Is there space available on the C: drive?
Yep! 15GB free...

Any ideas?

Joyce



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Sent: June 24, 2002 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS



 On Monday, June 24, 2002, 17:20, Joyce Sala wrote:

  A week later - that is today - I came back to TB and suddenly
I have a
  very strange problem that prevents me from downloading my
mail.

  It recognizes the server and even tells me how many messages
it's
  going to download. Then during the actual process, it tells
me:
  Received message from X, subject Y, etc. etc.
  Could not store message (file name:
C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp)

 Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?

 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?

 Is there space available on the C: drive?

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RE: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Weaven, ChristopherX

 Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?
 Yes, with all the temp files it made from TB.
 
 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?
 Nope.
 
Looks like you'll be needing write access to that directory, as it needs to
create the temp file.

 Is there space available on the C: drive?
 Yep! 15GB free...


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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Monday, June 24, 2002, Joyce Sala wrote...

 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?
 Nope.

Then find out how to get write privileges to it... Then hopefully this
should go away.

 Is there space available on the C: drive?
 Yep! 15GB free...

 Any ideas?

Also when quoting, you appear not to put in any form of identification
to show the difference between your quote, and your reply.  This gets
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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Marcus Ohlstrm


On Monday, June 24, 2002, 18:10, Joyce Sala wrote:

 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?

 Nope.

 Any ideas?

Yes. If you do not have write privileges to your temp directory then TB!
can't write anything there which prevents it from processing your mails
(as Lars Geiger pointed out TB! always writes the message to your temp
directory before importing it to your message base).

Try giving yourself write privileges to that directory and see if it
works better.

I'm however a bit suspicious, C:\Windows\Temp is normally only found on
Windows 9x systems and if I remember correctly you can not restrict
access privileges on those systems. I might be wrong here, it's been a
while since I last used Windows 9x. Maybe someone else could straiten
this out. And it would of course help if you told us which Windows
version you are using.


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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Joyce Sala

Hi Lars,

Sorry for the caps I was just too tired fighting TB to notice.

One common reason for such behaviour is that one message in your
mailbox is infected with a virus and a virus scanner prevents TB!
from creating the temporary file. That way, the infected mail is
never deleted from the server (because the deletion takes only
place after successfully
importing a message to the message base) and is downloaded again
every time you check your mail. 

I think that's quite unlikely, as I have Norton updated *daily*,
and when ther is a virus (such as our *beloved* klez) it
quarantines it on my PC.
Or are you saying it's a virus attacking my ISP server?? For Two
Weeks?? (msgs are since Jun 14), hardly: this ISP is the biggest
in the country!


Try the mail dispatcher (Account - Dispatch messages on
server - All messages) to have a look at your messages on the
server.

I did that now: but other than being able to read the contents, I
cannot save nor can I see any virus notification. What was I
supposed to glean from that?

Excuse me for my ignorance...

Joyce


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From: Lars Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 24, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS


 Hi Joyce,
 On Monday, June 24, 2002 at 17:20:47 [GMT +0200], you wrote:

  It recognizes the server and even tells me how many messages
it's
  going to download. Then during the actual process, it tells
me:
  Received message from X, subject Y, etc. etc. Could not
store
  message (file name: C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp) Where X  Y
are
  precise details of the message (i.e. it reads the message
properties),
  and 123 is a serial number for the message.

 TB! stores downloaded messages in a temporary file before
actually
 importing it into its message base. This is the
 C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp file you are referring to. It
seems that
 something prevents TB! from creating this file.

 One common reason for such behaviour is that one message in your
mailbox
 is infected with a virus and a virus scanner prevents TB! from
creating
 the temporary file. That way, the infected mail is never deleted
from
 the server (because the deletion takes only place after
successfully
 importing a message to the message base) and is downloaded again
every
 time you check your mail. Try the mail dispatcher (Account -
Dispatch
 messages on server - All messages) to have a look at your
messages on
 the server.

 BTW, the users on this list are usually very kind and help each
other
 without shouting in the subject or setting messages to high
priority.
 :-)

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Joyce Sala

Hi Weaven,

You are the 2nd person telling me that but I don't have ANY
access limitation on ANY of my directories! So how can that be?

Frankly I'm groping in the dark.

Help!

Joyce

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 24, 2002 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: Mail downloading problems


  Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?
  Yes, with all the temp files it made from TB.
 
  Do you have write priviliges to that directory?
  Nope.

 Looks like you'll be needing write access to that directory, as
it needs to
 create the temp file.

  Is there space available on the C: drive?
  Yep! 15GB free...

 
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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Joyce,

@24 June 2002, 18:10:00 +0200 (17:10 UK time) Joyce Sala wrote in
003501c21b99$98513400$920e08d5@joycesala">mid:003501c21b99$98513400$920e08d5@joycesala

 Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?

 Yes, with all the temp files it made from TB.

 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?

 Nope.

You don't? Isn't that a problem in itself?

Please read Lars' reply carefully. I think it may also have a bearing
on the issue.

moderator

Please do not quote signatures and footers when replying to the list.

Please use quote marks on text to which you are replying.

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is called top quoting and means that you let the quotes appear at
the bottom and type your reply at the top.

I have many reasons to *not* prefer the top quoting method...
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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Thomas F

Hello Joyce,

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:20:47 +0200 GMT (24/06/02, 22:20 +0700 GMT),
Joyce Sala wrote:

JS It recognizes the server and even tells me how many messages it's
JS going to download. Then during the actual process, it tells me:
JS Received message from X, subject Y, etc. etc. Could not store
JS message (file name: C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp) Where X  Y are
JS precise details of the message (i.e. it reads the message
JS properties), and 123 is a serial number for the message.

Do you have an antivirus software running? I suspect that mail
contains a virus. The mail gets downloaded into the C:\Windows\temp
directory and will be quarantined right away. TB cannot import it, of
course.

In that case, you have to use the mail despatcher and delete the
message without downloading it. Unless you want to download the cirus,
in which case you have to disable your AV software instead.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Joyce,

My MUA believes you used Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.
to write 004101c21b9c$31751500$920e08d5@joycesala">mid:004101c21b9c$31751500$920e08d5@joycesala
on Monday, June 24, 2002 at 12:28:36 PM.

 One common reason for such behaviour is that one message in your
 mailbox is infected with a virus and a virus scanner prevents TB!
 from creating the temporary file.

JS Or are you saying it's a virus attacking my ISP server??

Close, he is saying that the first msg TB is trying to DL is possibly
infected, so NAV is locking the temp file.  Now TB is stuck...

JS For Two Weeks?? (msgs are since Jun 14), hardly: this ISP is the
JS biggest in the country!

yep, the msg will sit there until you remove it... Try using the
dispatcher to delete the first msg, or possibly set up another test
account at one of the free mail services (for example
www.myrealbox.com).

 Try the mail dispatcher (Account - Dispatch messages on
 server - All messages) to have a look at your messages on the
 server.

JS I did that now: but other than being able to read the contents, I
JS cannot save nor can I see any virus notification. What was I
JS supposed to glean from that?

JS Excuse me for my ignorance...

We are here to help g

btw, you said in a previous msg see 003501c21b99$98513400$920e08d5@joycesala">mid:003501c21b99$98513400$920e08d5@joycesala
that you did not have access to your c:\windows\temp dir. If this is
the case, are you having other problems too? Lots of programs use
it...

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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@24 June 2002, 18:31:13 +0200 (17:31 UK time) Joyce Sala wrote in
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 You are the 2nd person telling me that but I don't have ANY
 access limitation on ANY of my directories! So how can that be?

 Frankly I'm groping in the dark.

1. Disable your virus checker.
2. Download your mail with TB
3. Re-enable your virus checker.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Joyce,
On Monday, June 24, 2002 at 18:28:36 [GMT +0200], you wrote:

 One common reason for such behaviour is that one message in your
 mailbox is infected with a virus and a virus scanner prevents TB! from
 creating the temporary file.

 I think that's quite unlikely, as I have Norton updated *daily*,
 and when ther is a virus (such as our *beloved* klez) it
 quarantines it on my PC.
  ^^^

That is exactly where I suspect the problem. As I've written in my first
mail, TB! tries to download every message from your ISP into a temporary
file on your computer (one for each message) and then imports the
messages into its message base from those temporary files. Only if these
steps take place without interruption, TB! will delete the corresponding
message from the server (to prevent that messages are lost).

Now, let's say that one of the messages in your mailbox (at your ISP) is
infected with, for example, KLEZ. TB! tries to download this message and
stores it in a file $TEMP$\bat456.tmp. This is intercepted by NAV, so
TB! has no way of importing this message into its message base. It then
leaves the message on the server (not knowing about the virus), so you
don't lose an important mail.

 Or are you saying it's a virus attacking my ISP server??

No, I really don't think so.

 Try the mail dispatcher (Account - Dispatch messages on server -
 All messages) to have a look at your messages on the server.

 I did that now: but other than being able to read the contents, I
 cannot save nor can I see any virus notification. What was I
 supposed to glean from that?

With the dispatcher, you can have a look at the messages on the server.
If you find one containing a virus, you can uncheck the 'Receive' box
for this message and then start downloading (and deleting) all messages
except the infected one by clicking on the left most button.

Another possibility would be to disable NAV's real time scanning and see
if this makes it possible for you to download the messages. Don't be
afraid, as long as you don't start attachments from the messages, you
are safe without NAV. TB! doesn't execute any code from incoming
e-mails (but make sure to re-enable it before using Oulook Express
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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Monday, June 24, 2002, Lars Geiger wrote...

 Now, let's say that one of the messages in your mailbox (at your ISP) is
 infected with, for example, KLEZ. TB! tries to download this message and
 stores it in a file $TEMP$\bat456.tmp. This is intercepted by NAV, so
 TB! has no way of importing this message into its message base. It then
 leaves the message on the server (not knowing about the virus), so you
 don't lose an important mail.

It depends on which version of NAV she's using.  The latest version
does a pop/smtp check for you, and replaces infected attachments with
a nice warning, so that wouldn't be the problem here.

 Another possibility would be to disable NAV's real time scanning and see
 if this makes it possible for you to download the messages. Don't be
 afraid, as long as you don't start attachments from the messages, you
 are safe without NAV. TB! doesn't execute any code from incoming
 e-mails (but make sure to re-enable it before using Oulook Express
 again)!

That would be a good idea, so that you can get an idea of what is
causing the issue.  Older version of NAV may not work the same way as
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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Lars,

on Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:24:24 +0200GMT (24.06.02, 16:24 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

...

LG BTW, the users on this list are usually very kind and help each other
LG without shouting in the subject or setting messages to high priority.
LG :-)

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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Thomas,

In Reference to your Posting on Monday, June 24 2002 at 08:23 AM PDT,

 Do you have an antivirus software running? I suspect that mail
 contains a virus. The mail gets downloaded into the C:\Windows\temp
 directory and will be quarantined right away. TB cannot import it, of
 course.

Are you suggesting that if NAV detects a virus in one of the messages to
be downloaded, that none of the remaining messages will be downloaded by
TB? 

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread David Elliott

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Hello Joyce

On 24 June 2002 at 18:10:00 +0200 (which was 17:10 where I live) Joyce Sala
thoughtfully wrote the following

 Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?
 Yes, with all the temp files it made from TB.

 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?
 Nope.

with out write privileges it can not write. :)

 Is there space available on the C: drive?
 Yep! 15GB free...

 Any ideas?

Do you have a Virus checker ?

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread David Elliott

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Hail Marcus

On 24 June 2002 at 17:12:25 +0200 (which was 16:12 where I live) Marcus
Ohlström wrote and made these points

 I'm however a bit suspicious

So am I.

 C:\Windows\Temp is normally only found on Windows 9x systems and if I
 remember correctly you can not restrict access privileges on those
 systems. I might be wrong here, it's been a while since I last used
 Windows 9x.

Correct, and your are not wrong.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Jonathan,
On Monday, June 24, 2002 at 11:09:11 [GMT -0500], you wrote:

JA It depends on which version of NAV she's using. The latest version
JA does a pop/smtp check for you, and replaces infected attachments
JA with a nice warning, so that wouldn't be the problem here.

I silently assumed that it wasn't the latest version of NAV, because
Joyce would surely have realized a virus warning whenever downloading
mail, don't you think? And if it was NAV 2002 (with its transparent pop3
checking), the problem could be solved easily, because you are asked how
to handle infected attachments.

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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Nick,

On Monday, June 24, 2002 at 9:08:13 PM you [NA] wrote (at least in
part):

NA Are you suggesting that if NAV detects a virus in one of the messages to
NA be downloaded, that none of the remaining messages will be downloaded by
NA TB? 

It's not 'NAV' it's The Bat!. If one mail fails to become imported
(which is the case if NAV quarantines it) the process of fetching mail
is interrupted and The Bat! stops. It does not know WHY the mail can't
be imported and therefore assumes there's a serious problem, maybe
with disk space or other permissions blocked by the system.
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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Allie C Martin

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DG 1. I used my browser to go to http://www.e-mailanywhere.com/, a
DG Web-based site for accessing an existing pop-based e-mail account
DG that I had read about.

You do realize don't you, that you could have used TB!'s own message
dispatcher to do the same thing.

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