DEAD HORSE (was Re: Multiple email everything.)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Elden, On 13 January 2001 at 22:31:53 -0800 (which was 06:31 where I live) Elden Fenison wrote and made these points: ME They won't, because they don't allow relaying. You need to ME set up you own mail server. MDaemon (software) or Cobalt Cube ME (hardware) or Linux sendmail. EF My two cents on this... So far, the bill's up to about ten thousand bucks on this topic and it hasn't been about The Bat! for a lng time. I have to scare it off-list. Sorry Olivier - I realize you don't have a complete answer yet, but I have already killed this thread once on the 7th. Can I recommend that you take it to TBOT for further discussion? For those who don't know about it: - -8- TBOT is The Bat Off-Topic discussion list. It is a list set up by one of our members on egroups which takes the "overspill" conversations from TBUDL and TBBETA. Here is the segment of the TBUDL welcome message which tells of its' existence and of how to join: == TBOT - The Bat off topic discussion list == One of our members has created a list for those occasional off topic discussions of public interest. Please feel free to join this list, where many of our readership currently participate. Addresses: Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -8- So, as far as this topic goes on *this* list it's a DEAD HORSE (that means *no* more traffic here). I will be getting tough next! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA+AwUBOmAqLDnkJKuSnc2gEQLMEQCfR3vb4gYOf/MDjwAAB5A3KcHfCPgAl072 eoMQabXzlPnkh2erxYlCsRk= =2/lL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello Jannik. On Friday, January 12, 2001, at 16:51:47, you wrote about: "Multiple email everything." Hello Olivier and other TBUDL's, On Friday, January 05, 2001 at 00:03:12 GMT +0100 Olivier Reubens wrote on "Multiple email everything.": OR 1) If I have received an e-mail into one of the mailboxes of an OR account which ISP I'm not connected to at the moment, I CAN OR retrieve the mail, but when replying it'll fail (relaying denied). OR I can solve this from the mail-edit window via Options, Active OR account, but I need to change it for each message. Is there a way OR to "lock" which account to use for sending messages. I don't mind OR the originating address to mismatch the "from" address which they OR will reply to. Most aren't smart enough to figure out how to OR obtain the real originating address anyway :-) Can I set an SMTP settings to a folder within an account so I can force the messages to be sent from that specific folder through a specific SMTP server ? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:31:53 -0800, you wrote: customers), against a table of allowed IP addresses. I really don't think the from email address on the email makes any difference here, but rather the IP it originates from. At least one of the ISP's I'm using checks the "from" and just denies any mail that doesn't have a valid address, and it doesn't only check the domain, it checks the mailboxname too. Apparently (so they claim) they do this as a means of making sure users of their services have set up their mail client properly. Can't really say this is bad practice, I'm getting LOTS of mails where a reply will return with "mail address unknown" or something similar. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
ROTTING CORPSE (was Re: Multiple email everything.)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Olivier, On 13 January 2001 at 13:38:25 +0100 (which was 12:38 where I live) Olivier Reubens wrote and made these points: OR On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:06:27 -0800, you wrote: No no no! A DEAD HORSE is a DEAD HORSE. No more on this topic here please. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmBP1DnkJKuSnc2gEQJaCgCfaxJ7Mdr1mkWoW8CT/rHONWJTuC8An1xt uhMIzA35yQiPoX3auuXnyeOi =24GG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
FOETID REMAINS (was Re: Multiple email everything.)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Olivier, On 13 January 2001 at 13:50:41 +0100 (which was 12:50 where I live) Olivier Reubens wrote and made these points: - -8- Stop this conversation NOW please I first asked four days ago. You've had enough time to take it off list or wind it down. If you ignore this final demand I will have no alternative but to evict you from this list. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmBX4znkJKuSnc2gEQIHuACfRnbBQIl4CSwJ1prkDCfy49fF0D8AoNqM pto6RXNCIMJklvsrEIA+oy3Z =RxgV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
BLEACHED BONES (was Re: Multiple email everything.)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tim, On 13 January 2001 at 15:54:09 -0500 (which was 20:54 where I live) Tim Musson wrote and made these points: TM Hey Olivier, Tim has already apologised off-list for this posting, having read my DH announcements after hitting "send". Olivier - if you want to respond - OFF-LIST please! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmDQuDnkJKuSnc2gEQKMtQCeIH2DpN+c32uFTQ8y00LG57I/30AAniN+ jTTmmUKI9aQMISiZukByrGiz =nLbY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello Olivier and other TBUDL's, On Friday, January 05, 2001 at 00:03:12 GMT +0100 Olivier Reubens wrote on "Multiple email everything.": OR 1) If I have received an e-mail into one of the mailboxes of an OR account which ISP I'm not connected to at the moment, I CAN OR retrieve the mail, but when replying it'll fail (relaying denied). OR I can solve this from the mail-edit window via Options, Active OR account, but I need to change it for each message. Is there a way OR to "lock" which account to use for sending messages. I don't mind OR the originating address to mismatch the "from" address which they OR will reply to. Most aren't smart enough to figure out how to OR obtain the real originating address anyway :-) I've finally managed to read my way through the complete thread, but I still don't understand why you can't use the SMTP-server of one of the web-mail providers offering SMTP-by-login and then 1) set up TB with only *one* account or 2) set up TB with just as many account as *you* want (not as many as the amount of your ISP's dictate!) and then use only this *one* SMTP-server for your account. Both of these solutions would allow you to send from *one* SMTP-server no matter where you were connected, and would thus save you the trouble of 1) Changing smtp-servers when changing connection 2) Setting up filters, columns etc. for more than *one* account! Have I missed something?! If I haven't - and this looks like a solution for you - , you could use the SMTP-server of webmail-providers like www.myrealbox.com , www.gmx.net , www.yahoo.com or www.operamail.com . Since all of these services also offer POP/IMAP-retrieval from TB, you can collect all your mail-traffic on one of these accounts, and, thus, enjoy the additional bonus of being able to read all your mail where ever you have access to the web - not just on your TB-PC! Best regards, Jannik -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:51:47 +0100, you wrote: I've finally managed to read my way through the complete thread, but I still don't understand why you can't use the SMTP-server of one of the web-mail providers offering SMTP-by-login and then 1) set up TB with only *one* account I need to be able to distinguish OUTGOING mailboxes. When customers write to say [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a reply is sent by me or my colleagues, it should have [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the "from" so when customers in turn reply, it nicely arrives in the support inbox again and so on. Same for info@... sales@... and several others. I need this for multiple domains, which are (unfortunately) hosted at different ISP's. This is a cost issue. I'm currently using a somewhat awkward setup of different ISP's and stuff, but I'm paying less than a third of what the cheapest single ISP could offer. (if they COULD offer each of the items I need in the first place). In US currency, the total budget I'm paying NOW for all our internet requirements is a 4 figure sum aching to a 5 figure one each year. Paying 3 times as much is TOO much. To make matters worse, I need to be able to do all this from various places. Connecting to the server of a different ISP depending on where I'm connecting from. And I'm changing locations at least 3 times a day. (can you see me changing account info for 6-7 accounts, 3+ times a day)... sigh. it's depressing... 2) set up TB with just as many account as *you* want (not as many as the amount of your ISP's dictate!) and then use only this *one* SMTP-server for your account. The ISP's don't dictate it, I'm dictating it onto myself because I have no viable alternative. If I really really could, I'd have an in-house server (or servers) taking care of everything we need, but alas, that WOULDd cost a hefty 5 figure sum. Both of these solutions would allow you to send from *one* SMTP-server no matter where you were connected, and would thus save you the trouble of I have at current not found an SMTP server which I can access, from wherever I connected from (i.e. whatever ISP's I'm using). and send the mails through with any of 20 or so different "FROM" addresses (which include several different domains, most of which are ".be" domains). If you know of any, It'd probably solve most of my problems. 1) Changing smtp-servers when changing connection I'm currently _STILL_ using Forte Agent because that one allows me to automatically set the SMTP servers depending on what account I used to make the connection with. The bad news with Forte is that I need to launch an instance for each account. That alone fills up the entire taskbar, takes a lot of switching windows, making it less than optimal to work, and a real hassle if I need to move/copy a mail to another account. 2) Setting up filters, columns etc. for more than *one* account! I can set the filters to distribute incoming mail into separate inboxes (the way I'd like it anyway) and automatically set the "from" address. However, at current with TheBat! I would need to manually change the "Account" for each mail I'm sending. I need "instant" send (so can't save up, call the provider and send mail in batch). And I'm doing several handfulls of mails a day (all accounts mixed). Have I missed something?! If I haven't - and this looks like a solution for you - , you could use the SMTP-server of webmail-providers like www.myrealbox.com , www.gmx.net , www.yahoo.com or www.operamail.com . I'll check them and see if they allow me to SMTP send using the from-addresses I need. Since all of these services also offer POP/IMAP-retrieval from TB, you can collect all your mail-traffic on one of these accounts, and, thus, enjoy the additional bonus of being able to read all your mail where ever you have access to the web - not just on your TB-PC! GETTING the mail isn't a problem. All of the ISP's I have mailboxes at allow me to get pop access and retrieve the mail in the mailboxes, but I can't SEND mail through an account which ISP I'm not directly dialed into. And doing this from multiple PC's isn't a problem either. Olivier Reubens. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On 13-01-2001 at 02:43:24GMT +0100 (which was 1:43 where I live) Olivier Reubens wrote regarding the subject of "Multiple email everything." Hello Olivier, Have I missed something?! If I haven't - and this looks like a solution for you - , you could use the SMTP-server of webmail-providers like www.myrealbox.com , www.gmx.net , www.yahoo.com or www.operamail.com . Olivier I'll check them and see if they allow me to SMTP send using the Olivier from-addresses I need. They won't, because they don't allow relaying. You need to set up you own mail server. MDaemon (software) or Cobalt Cube (hardware) or Linux sendmail. Regards -- Manfred ___ [ TheBat 1.49c (FE1905D5), Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 ] Dubious metrics: 10**15 coats = 1 petacoat -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Manfred, On Friday, January 12, 2001, 6:37:27 PM, you wrote: ME They won't, because they don't allow relaying. You need to ME set up you own mail server. MDaemon (software) or Cobalt Cube ME (hardware) or Linux sendmail. My two cents on this... I work for an ISP, and true, no reputable ISP will allow relaying. If they do, they will be blackholed in fairly short order. Normally, the ISP restricts this by only allowing mail to be sent if it originates from one of their own IP addresses, (ie the pool used for their dialup services or dsl connections). Essentially, sendmail checks all mail being relayed, (not destined for the account of one of the ISP's customers), against a table of allowed IP addresses. I really don't think the from email address on the email makes any difference here, but rather the IP it originates from. -- -=Elden=- http://www.moondog.org -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Jannik, On Friday, January 12, 2001, 9:45:30 PM, you wrote: JL But, nothing I suggested will prevent you from this. Simply JL set up as many mailboxes as you like and let each have it own JL "From" and "Reply"-name - but let all have *the same* JL smtp-settings. I promise you, that this will work, as I am JL doing it currently! The from email address has no bearing normally... the important thing is that you send email using the server of the ISP you're connected to. They will know by that that you are one of "theirs" and allow you to send anything you like. This assumes that there is no authentication on the SMTP connection... perhaps an ISP could allow authenticated users to send regardless of their IP, and I would imagine some do. -- -=Elden=- http://www.moondog.org -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD HORSE (was Re: Multiple email everything.)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrey, On 07 January 2001 at 07:39:36 +0300 (which was 04:39 where I live) Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) wrote and made these points: AGSAA just consult an appropriate (E)SMTP-related RFCs found AGSAA on the 'net. We've gone Wyyy off topic (The Bat) here and people are unsubscribing in their droves! Although this has been a riveting discussion from my POV, I have to call a DEAD HORSE. Please take any further discussion on this subject Off-List. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOlhPFDnkJKuSnc2gEQKxGgCgg52staiMHD5VcNW5nSDyhaYSyBYAn1Gt irRRtAAl0xDSitlf003CnvFZ =Mh6E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hallo Andrey, On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 06:57:01 +0300 GMT (07/01/2001, 11:57 +0800 GMT), Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) wrote: AGSAA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.48f) [...] AGSAA If you're on *NIX (as me now), Wow. wine? -- Cheers, Thomas. From a Japanese information booklet about using a hotel air conditioner: Cooles and Heates: If you want just condition of warm in your room, please control yourself. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hallo Andrey, On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 07:39:36 +0300 GMT (07/01/2001, 12:39 +0800 GMT), Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) wrote: [...] TF What is RCPT TO: ? The recipients? AGSAA It's the command sent to an (E)SMTP server by the connection originator AGSAA containing the so-called "envelope" address of the recipient. For AGSAA further information just consult an appropriate (E)SMTP-related RFCs AGSAA found on the 'net. Thanks. You've answered all my questions. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. What happens if you get scared half to death twice? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Friday, January 05, 2001, 10:06:24 PM, Olivier Reubens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OR Why does no e-mail client have an option to deliver sent mail OR directly to the addressed person's SMTP server. Am I missing an OR obvious "NO" here, or have I just thought up a totally new type of OR internet application (Maybe I should file a patent for it right away OR grin) I use sendmail under Linux (OT but I'll carry on) this sends mail straight away wihtout using a smtp server. It integrates with my mail client (KMail) so Kmail effectivly has a smtp server built into it. No patents here grin too. And the answers to your question is quite easy: 1. There are MUAs that allow user to deliver e-mail messages directly to the SMTP server of some addressee. 2. This delivery scheme is unusual at the user's end and isn't appreciated by the ISPs. Remember that user != server :-) Who cares about what your ISP thinks. It's not that unusual and many people run their own smtp server. I run one at work to ave having to use the demon one. 4. We're living in the world of spam. Let the servers do their work perfectly. But they don't do their work perfectly and it is simple for a spammer to set up their own smtp server. Disallowing relaying is a poor system. As is blackholeing. -- Jamie Dainton -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT, STOPPED (Was: Re: Multiple email everything.)
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 9:03:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bdou I use sendmail under Linux (OT but I'll carry on) this sends mail bdou straight away wihtout using a smtp server. :-) You may wonder a bit but the sendmail program is a quite perfect example of the SMTP server. Qmail, Exim and Postfix also falls to this category. 2. This delivery scheme is unusual at the user's end and isn't appreciated by the ISPs. Remember that user != server :-) bdou Who cares about what your ISP thinks. It's not that unusual and bdou many people run their own smtp server. I run one at work to ave bdou having to use the demon one. My ISP (hoping that yours too) is a right ISP :-). It doesn't restrict me on what SMTP/POP3/whatever server I can connect to - I'm speaking about the ability to connect to the servers that are outside of my ISP's IP address block. My actions is only and only my actions so I'm fully responsible for them. 4. We're living in the world of spam. Let the servers do their work perfectly. bdou But they don't do their work perfectly Well, if they are badly administrated :-) bdou and it is simple for a spammer to set up their own smtp server. Agreed, but please don't forget the fact that sooner or later this server will be filtered by the most ISPs and corporate clients. Have you heard about MAPS RBL/RSS/etc., ORBS, DRBL? bdou Disallowing relaying is a poor system. As is blackholeing. I'll tend to completely disagree. Note: since we're going into the strict offtopic here I decided that all replies to this message regarding non-TB! related stuff will be made off-list to my address. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 8:29:02 PM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGSAA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.48f) TF [...] AGSAA If you're on *NIX (as me now), TF Wow. wine? Not now ;-). The sentence you've quoted was related to the mail server software, not MUA. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT, STOPPED (Was: Re: Multiple email everything.)
On 08-01-2001 at 04:00, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) kindly wrote: Note: since we're going into the strict offtopic here I decided that all replies to this message regarding non-TB! related stuff will be made off-list to my address. Erm, you can't ;-) No matter how you set the reply-to, the list software will override your settings. - K - -- [She was] a beautiful neurotic who clung to her beauty as if it were a chance piece of debris keeping her afloat on a violent sea. - Mary Gaitskill: Two Girls, Fat and Thin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT, STOPPED (Was: Re: Multiple email everything.)
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 6:18:11 AM, Karin Spaink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: since we're going into the strict offtopic here I decided that all replies to this message regarding non-TB! related stuff will be made off-list to my address. KS Erm, you can't ;-) KS No matter how you set the reply-to, the list software will KS override your settings. :-) I know. This was an attempt to stop overflooding the TBUDL with unrelated postings like "what is RBL and how do I stop a guy named mailer-daemon from reading and returning my postings" very big G -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT, STOPPED (Was: Re: Multiple email everything.)
Hello Karin others on TBUDL following this thread, Sunday, January 07, 2001, you stated regarding : replies to this message regarding non-TB! related stuff will be made off-list to my address. KS Erm, you can't ;-) KS No matter how you set the reply-to, the list software will KS override your settings. Using Cntrl+F4 is what he means, I assume. DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT, STOPPED (Was: Re: Multiple email everything.)
Hi Andrey, On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:00:52 +0300GMT (08/01/2001, 11:00 +0800GMT), Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) wrote: AGSAA Note: since we're going into the strict offtopic here I decided that all AGSAA replies to this message regarding non-TB! related stuff will be made AGSAA off-list to my address. I find this thread interesting and would prefer if you continued this on TBOT ([EMAIL PROTECTED] for those who are not subscriubed to the TB User's Off-Topic List yet), rather than PM. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hi Andrey, On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:03:17 +0300GMT (08/01/2001, 11:03 +0800GMT), Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) wrote: AGSAA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.48f) TF [...] AGSAA If you're on *NIX (as me now), TF Wow. wine? AGSAA Not now ;-). The sentence you've quoted was related to the mail server AGSAA software, not MUA. Ach so. ;-) What mail server software are you using, and how does it interface with TB: you can't be running two OS's at the same time, can you? And to create messages in TB, then reboot with anotehr OS to send the message out, seems tedious. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 7:21:48 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TF What mail server software are you using aernet.ru is my private domain. The mail subsystem on it is hosted by a Communigate Pro POP3/SMTP/IMAP4/List server (http://www.stalker.com/CGatePro.html) running on Sun machine under Sun Solaris OS. The machine itself is located physically at my ISP (Zenon N.S.P., http://www.zenon.net/) datacenter. I'm also have some number of mailboxes on other servers (the total number of accounts is 14 - 12 real, 2 virtual). My secondary most used e-mail account which belongs to my work is served by a FreeBSD 4.2 machine with Sendmail 8.9.3 and QPOP 3.0.2 installed. TF and how does it interface with TB: Notning new: at home I'm using an ordinary DUN service while at work I'm using the corporate LAN. I hope that I'll get the 256 K leased line to my flat that year so I could easily forget the terms like 56K and v.90 :-). -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hallo Olivier, On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 22:29:07 +0100 GMT (06/01/2001, 05:29 +0800 GMT), Olivier Reubens wrote: OR OK.. If that can't be done.. How can installing my own SMTP server OR work I think Hamster does what you need. I don't have the URL, but somebody else in this list will. OR According to that other mail, If I would install a SMTP server on my OR own PC, I can have that one send the messages to the target SMTP OR server, .. to the target POP server. You don't touch the recipient's SMTP server. OR but when I'd install a mailer, It wouldn't be ? No, a mailer delivers mail to an SMTP server. Differnt functions. OR Sorry but that makes no sense. What's preventing an e-mail client OR from having the same send-engine as a SMTP server on the same OR computer would do. Bloat. OR I really don't see why that wouldn't work. It would. I wouldn't want it, because it is faster and easier for me to just deliver to my ISP's SMTP server and let it do the rest while I'm offline. You see, if you need to connect to the recipient's POP server, that probably on another continent, and depending on your bandwidth (average 1.5k/s over here) that takes expensive on-line time. If the POP server is down or unreachable for some reason, you have to try again later - something I don't worry about when using my ISP's SMTP server. That's about all I know about it. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. In a Rhodes tailor shop: Order your summers suit. Because is big rush we will execute customers in strict rotation. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On 06-01-2001 at 16:09:24GMT +0800 (which was 8:09 where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote regarding the subject of "Multiple email everything." Hello Thomas, Thomas I think Hamster does what you need. I don't have the URL, but somebody Thomas else in this list will. http://home.knuut.de/tgl/own/hamtools.htm Regards -- Manfred ___ TheBat 1.49 (FE1905D5), Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 "Bother," said Pooh as the Alien burst out of his chest. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 10:06:24 PM, Olivier Reubens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OR Why does no e-mail client have an option to deliver sent mail OR directly to the addressed person's SMTP server. Am I missing an OR obvious "NO" here, or have I just thought up a totally new type of OR internet application (Maybe I should file a patent for it right away OR grin) No patents here grin too. And the answers to your question is quite easy: 1. There are MUAs that allow user to deliver e-mail messages directly to the SMTP server of some addressee. 2. This delivery scheme is unusual at the user's end and isn't appreciated by the ISPs. Remember that user != server :-) 3. Many SMTP servers are using DUL (http://maps.vix.com/dul/) to prevent direct connections from the non-local dial-up users (if any). 4. We're living in the world of spam. Let the servers do their work perfectly. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 11:31:46 PM, Abigail Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OR Actually.. Why does no e-mail client have an option to deliver OR sent mail directly to the addressed person's SMTP server. Am I OR missing an obvious "NO" here, or have I just thought up a totally new OR type of internet application (Maybe I should file a patent for it OR right away grin) AM You don't know what your addressed person's SMTP server is - there is AM no way to know except by looking at RFC headers of mail they have sent ^^ AM you, Partially correct. The mail routing is controlled by the MX records in the DNS, by internal tables on some relays and so on. AM and then if they are using multiple ISP's like you, it would mean AM nothing. Agreed. BTW the same mailbox owner could use different SMTP servers for sending and receiving mail (the word "receiving" has nothing to do with POP3 and/or IMAP4 - a client-side protocols - here; it stands for an incoming mails going to this mailbox via SMTP). AM Not all servers with POP accounts have SMTP; web-based email such as AM yahoo or hotmail doesn't provide an SMTP that is associated with the AM domain name; One remark: all of these online services are using SMTP internally. AM and the SMTP doesn't always match the domain name. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 10:20:18 PM, Manfred Ell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GFS I have also seen smtp servers that can be installed in 98/NT/2K. Have GFS yet to try one But they must work. Thomas Isn't Hamster one of those? ME Yes, SMTP, POP3 and NNTP server. ME I'm using this myself. Recommended. If you're on *NIX (as me now), use whatever you like :-) ; if you're on Windows, I strongly suggest MDaemon (http://www.mdaemon.com/). Personal experience: more than 2.5 years without serious outages, 4 domains, up to 70 users per domain, strong load. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 9:19:54 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (A notice to the list members and moderator: the next message could be easily treated as offtopic (Marck, your comments please :-). Anyone interested in additional technical details should contact me off-list). TF It is not an "open" line if you are connected to it. AGSAA Hmm... Didn't catch the point, could you please explain? :-) TF The same as you say below, using the more correct term "third party TF relay". What I mean is, it does not mean it's open to third parties if TF you can use it while being logged in through the same ISP. OK here :-) TF Relaying would be if I used an SMTP server in Germany for an account TF in Thailand while having dialled in through an ISP in Taiwan. If I use TF the SMTP server of the ISP I dial in through, it is not relaying, TF never mind the From address. AGSAA Sorry, but you're wrong here. TF I meant "third-party relaying". The SMTP server error "sorry, we don't TF relay", which I have seen at times, also refers to third-party TF relaying, wouldn't it? In general, yes. However there are some cases (badly administered servers etc.) when you'll see this reply from the server you're absolutely authorized to use :-). AGSAA Generally, all SMTP servers are "relays". But the actual server AGSAA behaviour can significantly vary. You can use ORBS, RBL, DRBL, RSS AGSAA whatever databases to prevent spammers from sending your their crap, you AGSAA of course should use some kind of ACL (access.db on sendmail) etc. TF GMX has, for example, POP before SMTP. So, you POP nad then you can TF use their SMTP server, never mind through which ISP you are logged in. Correct. But the more convenient scheme is to install some kind of SMTP authorization on the server. The added benefits are TLS support etc. The next two ways to prevent unauthorized third-party relaying are: - separate user-side SMTP server and the core relays (MXers). Good for the most situations and sites. - use newly introduced RFC 2476 to completely separate traffic from the users and servers. The summary of this RFC is: users aren't allowed to use SMTP servers completely, they submit their mails via a special port on the relay. Look for an original RFC text on any server (http://www.rfc-editor.org/ would be great) and also check out this URL: http://sendmail.net/?feed=rfc2476. I consider this to be a future in the way users will send their mails. AGSAA Here is the example. Imagine that one of my SMTP servers acts as a relay AGSAA for the following domains: TF [...] AGSAA EHLO hostname.client.net.ru AGSAA MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AGSAA RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TF Is there a way we can see which commands TB actually sends to the TF server? Yes, by installing a so-called SMTP proxy with logging enabled. The perfect examples known to me are the SMTPepd (http://www.kanargh.force9.co.uk/smteepd/smteepd.exe) and The Sleepwalker SMTP Proxy (http://www.thesleepwalker.com/software/). TF What is RCPT TO: ? The recipients? It's the command sent to an (E)SMTP server by the connection originator containing the so-called "envelope" address of the recipient. For further information just consult an appropriate (E)SMTP-related RFCs found on the 'net. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello Olivier Reubens, On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 00:03:12 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 04, 2001, 23:03:12 (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time, Olivier Reubens wrote: OR None of the Belgium ISP's however support relaying. I get OR 'Relaying Denied' messages if I try. which brings me to problem Obtain an old pc. E.g. a P90. Install a *nix/*BSD on it and use it as a smtp server. This solution works very well if your ISP has a dodgy mail server (e.g. Lineone). When I'm on the internet in Linux I use sendmail and have no need for a smtp server. A more windows orientated solution is to install NT and a windows based smtp server. Apart from BackOffice server I've never tried this method. The third solution is to find an anonymous smtp server which allows relaying. Such lists can be found at astalavista.box.sk -- Jamie Dainton On Friday, January 05, 2001 at 08:06:01 The Bat! 1.48 Beta/12 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey I thought I had a back-up, but she refused to type it in again. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hi Jannik, On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:20:42 +0100GMT (05/01/2001, 16:20 +0800GMT), Jannik Lindquist wrote: j I don't know of any mail program that has a provision to switch j servers on an account for sending. JL Is it something like this that is on the wish list IIRC the wisher wished that we could define more than one SMTP server for each account. If the mail doesn't get sent through the first, then TB will try and send through the second, etc. JL (the link to the JL wish list on the FAQ-site seems to be broken)? Has been for a while. Konstantin, are you still reading this list? JL Apparently TB already *has* something like the last of these options - JL the "Send Mail from All"-option (accessible via the main toolbar). But JL how does this work? Competely different thing. If you hihlight an account and click on Send, all messages in the Outbox will be sent. If you click on Send All, messages from all Outboxes in all Accounts will be sent (unless you have disabled execution of this command in the Account Properties). JL I seem to be unable to get TB to do this (though I JL must admit I haven't tried for a couple of versions!). If you have ticked Account / Properties / Options / Ignorem 'Check all' request, than it won't work. Otherwise, it has worked since I use TB (v1.34). -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48g under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On 05-01-2001 at 03:54, Olivier Reubens kindly wrote: Contrary to what someone else suggested, xs4all.be is also a member of the ISPA and doesn't have an open SMTP server. I suggested that XS4all.be probably uses SMTP authentication - which is not the same as an open SMTP. But from a later post of yours I gathered that you do not want a new account, so that solution is out anyway. - K - -- When I get my hands on some money, I'll kiss it's green skin And I'll ask it's dirty face: "where the hell have you been?" - Swans: Failure -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hallo George, On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:23:11 -0800 GMT (05/01/2001, 21:23 +0800 GMT), George F. Schoelles wrote: GFS I have also seen smtp servers that can be installed in 98/NT/2K. Have GFS yet to try one But they must work. Isn't Hamster one of those? -- Cheers, Thomas. "The tides are a fight between the Earth and moon. All water tends towards the moon, because there is no water in the moon, and nature abhors a vacuum. I forget where the sun joins in this fight." Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
OR None of the Belgium ISP's however support relaying. I get OR 'Relaying Denied' messages if I try. which brings me to problem Obtain an old pc. E.g. a P90. Install a *nix/*BSD on it and use it as a smtp server. This solution works very well if your ISP has a dodgy mail server (e.g. Lineone). When I'm on the internet in Linux I use sendmail and have no need for a smtp server. And if I had a 24/24 line to the internet, I'd get my own domain registered, set up my own server(s) over here and get ALL of my internet problems finally finished, alas this is not the case, and I really don't see how you would install an SMTP server on a non dedicated line. 24/24 lines with a fixed IP are however still too expensive for my budget, I can't afford to hand over about 1000 Euro each month. I am currently FORCED to use multiple ISP's because none of them can solve all of my needs at an affordable price. The real problem is that depending on where I am, I will dial in to different ISP's. Setting the same "SMTP" server in all the accounts would require me to change all of them each time I connect from another location, which happens at least 3 times dayly. sigh -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:27:07 +0100, you wrote: On 05-01-2001 at 03:54, Olivier Reubens kindly wrote: Contrary to what someone else suggested, xs4all.be is also a member of the ISPA and doesn't have an open SMTP server. I suggested that XS4all.be probably uses SMTP authentication - which is not the same as an open SMTP. But from a later post of yours I gathered that you do not want a new account, so that solution is out anyway. If I could get an ISP that can do ALL of the things I need at an affordable price, I'd kick out all the rest and go with just the one, but this isn't the case at the moment. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hallo Olivier, On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 19:23:54 +0100 GMT (06/01/2001, 02:23 +0800 GMT), Olivier Reubens wrote: OR And if I had a 24/24 line to the internet, I'd get my own domain OR registered, I believe with 24 hours on 24 days a week, you could do a lot more than that. ;-) OR set up my own server(s) over here and get ALL of my OR internet problems finally finished, alas this is not the case, and I OR really don't see how you would install an SMTP server on a non OR dedicated line. There are servers you can install on your PC. Of course, they will be only active when you are currently connected, but I tried one once, and it sent the messages directly to the recipient's POP server. I uninstalled it again, because I found it awkward, and in addition, I have only PC's, no laptop, so I can use my ISP's SMTP at home, and my company's SMTP in the office (which has a 24/7 ISDN connection to the internet, which I can use via the LAN). But for you, it might be a solution. Another idea would be to connect via attglobal.net (formerly ibm.net) or Compuserve, they have dial-in numbers in many places, and you can use either their SMTP server or connect through them to your respective SMTP servers. I haven't used either of them for a while, so I don't don't whether it still works. It does not work with AOL, though. OR The real problem is that depending on where I am, I will dial in to OR different ISP's. See above. Try an ISP that has dial-up numbers everywhere you go. Another solution (my boss does this) is to dial long-distance to your home ISP every time. :-( OR Setting the same "SMTP" server in all the accounts OR would require me to change all of them each time I connect from OR another location, which happens at least 3 times dayly. sigh Feature request: Set SMTP server for all accounts to: Preferrably with a "location" list, wheere you just choose the lace where you are, and the SMTP server details are stored. -- Cheers, Thomas. A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hallo Olivier, On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 19:25:59 +0100 GMT (06/01/2001, 02:25 +0800 GMT), Olivier Reubens wrote: OR If I could get an ISP that can do ALL of the things I need at an OR affordable price, I'd kick out all the rest and go with just the one, OR but this isn't the case at the moment. What are your requirements that no single ISP can satisfy? -- Cheers, Thomas. -There is no gravity. The Earth sucks. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello Olivier Reubens, On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 at 19:23:54 GMT +0100(which was 1/6/2001 1:23 AM where you think I live) you told to the list : Obtain an old pc. E.g. a P90. Install a *nix/*BSD on it and use it as a smtp server. This solution works very well if your ISP has a dodgy mail server (e.g. Lineone). When I'm on the internet in Linux I use sendmail and have no need for a smtp server. OR And if I had a 24/24 line to the internet, I'd get my own domain OR registered, set up my own server(s) over here and get ALL of my OR internet problems finally finished, alas this is not the case, and OR I really don't see how you would install an SMTP server on a non OR dedicated line. OR 24/24 lines with a fixed IP are however still too expensive for my OR budget, I can't afford to hand over about 1000 Euro each month. Ahem...I am running MDaemon with Personal Dial Up Connection (dynamic IP) since 1997 here in my office. In December 1999, for 3-days the list (TBUDL and TBBETA) servicing by my office Server (the Dial Up one) due my Full On-line Server having outage problem :-) On this vacation period (I am still on vacation right now :-)), I have been testing some Freeware Mail Server, most running on Windows base, and running well on Personal Dial Connection in my PC (P-166, 64 MB RAM, 4 GB IDE HDD). If you want to know the details, drop me message privately. OR I am currently FORCED to use multiple ISP's because none of them OR can solve all of my needs at an affordable price. :-) -- Best regards, - Syafril - ..Opinion expressed are only mine * Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : http://www.dutaint.co.id * Created : Saturday, January 06, 2001, 1:23:31 AM GMT +0700 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:41:46 +0800, you wrote: There are servers you can install on your PC. Of course, they will be only active when you are currently connected, but I tried one once, and it sent the messages directly to the recipient's POP server. Actually.. Why does no e-mail client have an option to deliver sent mail directly to the addressed person's SMTP server. Am I missing an obvious "NO" here, or have I just thought up a totally new type of internet application (Maybe I should file a patent for it right away grin) I uninstalled it again, because I found it awkward, and in addition, I have only PC's, no laptop, so I can use my ISP's SMTP at home, and my company's SMTP in the office (which has a 24/7 ISDN connection to the internet, which I can use via the LAN). H I see your point. I would only need the SMTP server the short moment I'm sending the mails. Don't have to make it manage the mailboxes. Another idea would be to connect via attglobal.net (formerly ibm.net) or Compuserve, they have dial-in numbers in many places, and you can use either their SMTP server or connect through them to your respective SMTP servers. I haven't used either of them for a while, so I don't don't whether it still works. About all of the ISP's I use have POP's all over Belgium, some even have access from other countries in Belgium. That however isn't the problem. When I'm home, I'm using ADSL, at the office, we have ISDN, and when I'm on the road I use GSM. The ISP I use at home doesn't provide an ISDN service like the one we have in the office. That one in turn doesn't provide access through ADSL. The "on the road" is a special case again, since dialing either provider would be costly, and it's cheaper per minute to use the internet provided by the company I get my GSM line from... Starting to see the picture here... :-( I really wish I could get it all done via just one, but either they don't provide the service I require or the cost to get it done is too high. I'm not even going to get started as to why I need the other 2 ISP's for :-) Olivier Reubens -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:44:11 +0800, you wrote: What are your requirements that no single ISP can satisfy? 1) Access via ADSL or Cable at home. This is where I do most of the management from so the speed needs to be high, I often need to make several MB's worth of changes to the dbase mentionned in 3). 2) Access via GSM at an affordable price/min. 3) ISDN access from the office with "notification" when mail is there (basically the provider calling the office to drop of mail packets). it's a little more complex than this but it is the core of it. 4) Site hosting with semi-large dbase (around 3Gb dbase getting) with remote management of the DB (which we currently take care of via 5) because no adequate alternate was available). 5) Access to Windows NT Terminal server via the internet for around 25 on-the-road users, although rarely more than one or two at any one time. Olivier Reubens. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On 05-01-2001 at 23:19:00GMT +0800 (which was 15:19 where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote regarding the subject of "Multiple email everything." Hello Thomas, GFS I have also seen smtp servers that can be installed in 98/NT/2K. Have GFS yet to try one But they must work. Thomas Isn't Hamster one of those? Yes, SMTP, POP3 and NNTP server. I'm using this myself. Recommended. Regards -- Manfred ___ using TheBat 1.48h (FE1905D5) on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 I'm not fast but I'm not slow, I'm kinda half fast. g -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello Olivier Reubens, On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 at 20:16:55 GMT +0100(which was 1/6/2001 2:16 AM where you think I live) you told to the list : What are your requirements that no single ISP can satisfy? Well, perhaps you can consider using Host Colocation Service, means you put your own Server on ISP site ? OR 1) Access via ADSL or Cable at home. This is where I do most of OR the management from so the speed needs to be high, I often need to OR make several MB's worth of changes to the dbase mentionned in 3). You can choose any connection as you want to connect to your own server (some ISP on my country allow this). OR 2) Access via GSM at an affordable price/min. Install WAP Web interface engine :-) OR 3) ISDN access from the office with "notification" when mail is OR there (basically the provider calling the office to drop of mail OR packets). it's a little more complex than this but it is the core OR of it. See above OR 4) Site hosting with semi-large dbase (around 3Gb dbase getting) OR with remote management of the DB (which we currently take care of OR via 5) because no adequate alternate was available). Just add so many HDD as you want, upgrade the RAM or processor if needed :-) OR 5) Access to Windows NT Terminal server via the internet for OR around 25 on-the-road users, although rarely more than one or two OR at any one time. Use W2K Advance Server or run Citrix Winframe on NT4 :-) -- Best regards, - Syafril - ..Opinion expressed are only mine * Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : http://www.dutaint.co.id * Created : Saturday, January 06, 2001, 2:56:35 AM GMT +0700 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello Abigail Marshall, On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 at 11:43:05 GMT -0800(which was 1/6/2001 2:43 AM where you think I live) you told to Andrey G. Sergeev on the list : AGSAA Sorry, but you're wrong here. AGSAA Generally, all SMTP servers are "relays". But the actual AGSAA server behaviour can significantly vary. You can use ORBS, AGSAA RBL, DRBL, RSS whatever databases to prevent spammers from AGSAA sending your their crap, you of course should use some kind of AGSAA ACL (access.db on sendmail) etc. It depends, as we say here in AGSAA Russia :-). AGSAA So we're speaking about so-called "third party relaying" in AGSAA this thread. This relaying occurs when someone connects to a AGSAA SMTP server which is serving some number of domains (the AGSAA actual number doesn't matter here - it can be 1, 2...) and use AGSAA the the domain _names_ not known as "local" by this server as AGSAA an argument in the MAIL FROM: _and_ RCPT TO: commands. Andrey, perhaps you forgot that for most ISP around the world only protect base on IP addresse on his MTA RCPt-Host. As far as the sender using trusted IP, it will allow to relay. AM Andrey, this would be the case if I set the SMTP to my own AM company's server (dyslexia.com), but set the mail from/reply-to AM for something else, AND if I used an authentication scheme other AM than POP-before-send. But in those cases I am still accessing from AM an unrelated dialup - my company's server does not provide dialup AM access. This is the case for company or Mail Provider who does not have Dial Up Services. I do as yours for my Server, I can Relay to my SMTPServer even connect using any other ISP. I am using combination of POP Before SMTP and SMTPAuth and Domain Name Authentication. AM The difference with the dialup is that - at least in the US - most AM MAJOR service providers use an authentication routine that allows AM anyone who has dialed up via their lines to use the SMTP without AM limitation, assuming they have passed the authentication required AM at log in. Correct. AM I have found that the companies offering free or very low cost AM access do not work that way, so perhaps in other countries it may AM be a problem. Obviously, I don't know what the procedures are in AM Belgium or Russia. IMHO, it just the same, at least in my country (Indonesia). -- Best regards, - Syafril - ..Opinion expressed are only mine * Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : http://www.dutaint.co.id * Created : Saturday, January 06, 2001, 2:46:44 AM GMT +0700 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Well, perhaps you can consider using Host Colocation Service, means you put your own Server on ISP site ? We have one server running at a provider (the one that has the site and database). OR 1) Access via ADSL or Cable at home. This is where I do most of OR the management from so the speed needs to be high, I often need to OR make several MB's worth of changes to the dbase mentionned in 3). You can choose any connection as you want to connect to your own server (some ISP on my country allow this). That's the prob, the ISP we host our server at and does it at a very nice price only has modem dial-in. no cable or DSL, so it's too slow to be usefull, I'll need another ISP to get faster connection so I can access my own server over the internet at a faster speed. OR 2) Access via GSM at an affordable price/min. Install WAP Web interface engine :-) Not viable for what we need to do. We need the GSM to provide regular dial-up access. OR 3) ISDN access from the office with "notification" when mail is OR there (basically the provider calling the office to drop of mail OR packets). it's a little more complex than this but it is the core OR of it. See above "it is a little more complex than that". I really don't want to go into all the details about it, it has nothing to do with The Bat! anyway :-) What we REALLY need is permamnent connection in the office, but it's not affordable at the time, and since the amount of traffic isn't very high, this suits us fine for the moment. OR 4) Site hosting with semi-large dbase (around 3Gb dbase getting) OR with remote management of the DB (which we currently take care of OR via 5) because no adequate alternate was available). Just add so many HDD as you want, upgrade the RAM or processor if needed :-) Still need to put it online somewhere, where providers ask money for, server hosting is expensive, we got a special deal at this particular provider, but can't use him for dialin since he only has regular modem access. OR 5) Access to Windows NT Terminal server via the internet for OR around 25 on-the-road users, although rarely more than one or two OR at any one time. Use W2K Advance Server or run Citrix Winframe on NT4 :-) It's NT4 TSE now, W2K would do also, but it was installed like this before W2K became available and I see no reason to pay for a W2K upgrade when it offers nothing we can't already do now. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hi Olivier I'm not sure if this will work, but it seems to be working fine for me. Go to mailandnews.com and set up an account with them (it's free). Now go into TB and set up your SMTP server to mailandnews.com. Then select "Authentication", tick "Perform SMTP Authentication" and "Use specific settings". Enter your userid and password for mailandnews.com, and you should be able to send emails (no matter where you are logged in from). I don't know if this is "supposed" to work, but it does. Perhaps they've left it open by mistake, or perhaps it's permissible since you have an account there. I suspect lots of the other free web based providers are the same. It may not be super quick (certainly not as quick as using your ISP's SMTP server), but it may resolve the problem. Good luck Austin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
-- On Thursday, January 04, 2001, 3:03:12 PM, Olivier Reubens wrote: OR 1) If I have received an e-mail into one of the mailboxes of an OR account which ISP I'm not connected to at the moment, I CAN retrieve OR the mail, but when replying it'll fail (relaying denied). When you set the account options for that account, don't specify that ISP's outgoing mail server. Under Account Properties, "Transport", simply specify the SMTP server of whichever ISP you have that DOES allow relaying is most reliable. The ONLY problem with this is that if you receive mail via a pop server attached to domain1.com, and your mail is sent out via domain2.com, this will appear in the RFC headers in the body of the message, and it is possible that your mail could be rejected if the intended recipient has filters that would block out mail from unknown ISPs, or specifically domain2.com ISPs. OR I don't mind the originating address to OR mismatch the "from" address which they will reply to. Most aren't OR smart enough to figure out how to obtain the real originating address OR anyway :-) The "from" address will still be whatever you set it - the domain2.com address will only be seen in the RFC headers. If you look at the headers of this email, you will see that my email is at "dyslexia.com", but this has been transmitted via ogopogo.flash.net - I always do this. OR But, how do I define how to set another "From:" address when I reply OR to a mail from any of said inboxes. I don't see a way to do this. OR When writing a mail, I can change the "From" to any of my account OR names, but I can't add my other mailboxes to it. OR Am I supposed to make a new mail account for each of my mail accounts OR (which I get via one and the same POP3 loginname) OR I haven't found an alternate way to make other "from" mail names. Just right click on the folder where you are replying from, and choose "Properties" - you can set everything under the tab marked "Identity". -Abigail -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
This came in with my first batch of messages, I just bought the program and subscribed today. But your situation matches mine, so I'll tell you how to set it up like mine. 1. Set up a separate account for each email address you use. 2. Set each of the accounts up with the appropriate POP3 server info, including username and password. But, for the SMTP (send) server, enter in the server at the ISP you are connected to. This way you don't have to filter the mail. The 'From' will have the correct address. Works OK. --John-- Thursday, January 04, 2001, 6:03:12 PM, you wrote: ** ORIGINAL MESSAGE Hi, I asked this via information request, but haven't gotten any response to it yet, maybe some of you have faced similar situations and found a way to work with them... I've been looking for a new e-mail client for quite a while, and having tried and rejected many, it seems like The Bat! comes very very close to what I've been seeking. If there's a way to solve the following 2 issues. I checked the TBUL archive but couldn't really find what I was looking for... I have e-mail accounts at more than one ISP (5 of them, made accounts in The Bat! for each). Ok, no problem, The Bat! can make handle multiple accounts, I found this already, and it is working just fine to retrieve mail from all of them. None of the Belgium ISP's however support relaying. I get 'Relaying Denied' messages if I try. which brings me to problem 1. 1) If I have received an e-mail into one of the mailboxes of an account which ISP I'm not connected to at the moment, I CAN retrieve the mail, but when replying it'll fail (relaying denied). I can solve this from the mail-edit window via Options, Active account, but I need to change it for each message. Is there a way to "lock" which account to use for sending messages. I don't mind the originating address to mismatch the "from" address which they will reply to. Most aren't smart enough to figure out how to obtain the real originating address anyway :-) 2) I have multiple mail names at several of my mail accounts (ex. [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] When checking mail, I can neatly put mail for each mail name into it's own "inbox" (inbox sales, inbox support...) folders with a filter, haven't done that yet, but I guess it's easy enough. But, how do I define how to set another "From:" address when I reply to a mail from any of said inboxes. I don't see a way to do this. When writing a mail, I can change the "From" to any of my account names, but I can't add my other mailboxes to it. Am I supposed to make a new mail account for each of my mail accounts (which I get via one and the same POP3 loginname) I haven't found an alternate way to make other "from" mail names. Olivier Reubens -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:36:43 -0800, you wrote: -- On Thursday, January 04, 2001, 3:03:12 PM, Olivier Reubens wrote: OR 1) If I have received an e-mail into one of the mailboxes of an OR account which ISP I'm not connected to at the moment, I CAN retrieve OR the mail, but when replying it'll fail (relaying denied). When you set the account options for that account, don't specify that ISP's outgoing mail server. Under Account Properties, "Transport", simply specify the SMTP server of whichever ISP you have that DOES allow relaying is most reliable. NONE of the ISP's in Belgium allow relaying. Any Belgium ISP allowing relaying will get fairly high fines for doing so. It is a way to avoid someone using their server for spamming, and I understand why this is so. Even though I still think they could solve it easy enough if they used authentication. but what is little me going to do against big corporations :) If you know of a provider /smtp server that I could use for relaying, it may be a solution... The ONLY problem with this is that if you receive mail via a pop server attached to domain1.com, and your mail is sent out via domain2.com, this will appear in the RFC headers in the body of the message, and it is possible that your mail could be rejected if the intended recipient has filters that would block out mail from unknown ISPs, or specifically domain2.com ISPs. uh huh Possible, although why would they do that ? OR I don't mind the originating address to OR mismatch the "from" address which they will reply to. Most aren't OR smart enough to figure out how to obtain the real originating address OR anyway :-) The "from" address will still be whatever you set it - the domain2.com address will only be seen in the RFC headers. If you look at the headers of this email, you will see that my email is at "dyslexia.com", but this has been transmitted via ogopogo.flash.net - I always do this. All I care about is that if they hit "reply" it will return into whatever mailbox I sent a mail out of. and as I said, I doubt any of them is smart enough to figure out the real RFC (?) address. ANd if they do, well, just as long as Reply will get it where it's supposed to. A reply to a mail sent from support should arrive into the support inbox. OR But, how do I define how to set another "From:" address when I reply OR to a mail from any of said inboxes. I don't see a way to do this. OR When writing a mail, I can change the "From" to any of my account OR names, but I can't add my other mailboxes to it. OR Am I supposed to make a new mail account for each of my mail accounts OR (which I get via one and the same POP3 loginname) OR I haven't found an alternate way to make other "from" mail names. Just right click on the folder where you are replying from, and choose "Properties" - you can set everything under the tab marked "Identity". The inbox, outbox, sent... only has a "general" tab. Is it something only available in the registered version ? Olivier Reubens -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:03:28 -0500, you wrote: This came in with my first batch of messages, I just bought the program and subscribed today. But your situation matches mine, so I'll tell you how to set it up like mine. 1. Set up a separate account for each email address you use. 2. Set each of the accounts up with the appropriate POP3 server info, including username and password. But, for the SMTP (send) server, enter in the server at the ISP you are connected to. This way you don't have to filter the mail. The 'From' will have the correct address. Works OK. Well, it will work if the ISP remains the same forever. But this isn't the case. It depends where I am which ISP I'll connect to. Having to go through all the accounts to change the settings doesn't seem like a very good way to go about this. --John-- Thursday, January 04, 2001, 6:03:12 PM, you wrote: ** ORIGINAL MESSAGE Hi, I asked this via information request, but haven't gotten any response to it yet, maybe some of you have faced similar situations and found a way to work with them... I've been looking for a new e-mail client for quite a while, and having tried and rejected many, it seems like The Bat! comes very very close to what I've been seeking. If there's a way to solve the following 2 issues. I checked the TBUL archive but couldn't really find what I was looking for... I have e-mail accounts at more than one ISP (5 of them, made accounts in The Bat! for each). Ok, no problem, The Bat! can make handle multiple accounts, I found this already, and it is working just fine to retrieve mail from all of them. None of the Belgium ISP's however support relaying. I get 'Relaying Denied' messages if I try. which brings me to problem 1. 1) If I have received an e-mail into one of the mailboxes of an account which ISP I'm not connected to at the moment, I CAN retrieve the mail, but when replying it'll fail (relaying denied). I can solve this from the mail-edit window via Options, Active account, but I need to change it for each message. Is there a way to "lock" which account to use for sending messages. I don't mind the originating address to mismatch the "from" address which they will reply to. Most aren't smart enough to figure out how to obtain the real originating address anyway :-) 2) I have multiple mail names at several of my mail accounts (ex. [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] When checking mail, I can neatly put mail for each mail name into it's own "inbox" (inbox sales, inbox support...) folders with a filter, haven't done that yet, but I guess it's easy enough. But, how do I define how to set another "From:" address when I reply to a mail from any of said inboxes. I don't see a way to do this. When writing a mail, I can change the "From" to any of my account names, but I can't add my other mailboxes to it. Am I supposed to make a new mail account for each of my mail accounts (which I get via one and the same POP3 loginname) I haven't found an alternate way to make other "from" mail names. Olivier Reubens -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On 05-01-2001 at 01:38, Olivier Reubens kindly wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:36:43 -0800, you wrote: When you set the account options for that account, don't specify that ISP's outgoing mail server. Under Account Properties, "Transport", simply specify the SMTP server of whichever ISP you have that DOES allow relaying is most reliable. NONE of the ISP's in Belgium allow relaying. Any Belgium ISP allowing relaying will get fairly high fines for doing so. It is a way to avoid someone using their server for spamming, and I understand why this is so. Even though I still think they could solve it easy enough if they used authentication. but what is little me going to do against big corporations :) If you know of a provider /smtp server that I could use for relaying, it may be a solution... Have you thought of switching to xs4all.be? They are good and solid, and probably they *do* use authentication for their users and thus allow relaying. They are the most reliable Dutch ISP (*) and set up a branch in Belgium a few years ago. (*) as in: both technically and politically - they have been doing more than any other Dutch provider to protect freedom of speech, digital civil rights etc. - K - -- Before relationships, men and women had flings, quick ones, dirty weekends and marriages. If they wanted a relationship, they had it with their mother or a friend. - Julie Burchill: Sex and Sensibility -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 3:41:32 AM, Olivier Reubens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Set up a separate account for each email address you use. 2. Set each of the accounts up with the appropriate POP3 server info, including username and password. But, for the SMTP (send) server, enter in the server at the ISP you are connected to. This way you don't have to filter the mail. The 'From' will have the correct address. Works OK. OR Well, it will work if the ISP remains the same forever. But this isn't OR the case. It depends where I am which ISP I'll connect to. Having to OR go through all the accounts to change the settings doesn't seem like a OR very good way to go about this. Then ask one of your ISPs for the so-called SMTP authentication on one of the SMTP servers. After that you just need to enter the server name and the related auth data (username and password) into the account properties - as many as you need. Be sure that no one of the domains you're using for you e-mail aren't blocked at this SMTP server. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello Olivier, On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 at 00:03:12 GMT +0100 (which was 3:03 PM where I live) witnesses say Olivier Reubens typed: I've been looking for a new e-mail client for quite a while, and having tried and rejected many, it seems like The Bat! comes very very close to what I've been seeking. Welcome. I hope you enjoy your experience with TB. I have e-mail accounts at more than one ISP (5 of them, made accounts in The Bat! for each). snip 1) If I have received an e-mail into one of the mailboxes of an account which ISP I'm not connected to at the moment, I CAN retrieve the mail, but when replying it'll fail (relaying denied). I can solve this from the mail-edit window via Options, Active account, but I need to change it for each message. Is there a way to "lock" which account to use for sending messages. You have a couple of options. Probably the best is to use templates for this purpose. For an excellent introduction to Quick Templates, check out the FAQ entry at: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/templates.html I will assume you know something about templates in the following. If this is a bad assumption, please let me know and I'll be more specific. Create a Quick Template to change accounts. Then include this Quick Template into any other Templates you define. Now when you connect with a different ISP, you just need to change the Quick Template and all mail will be sent through the appropriate ISP. Ok, now you're saying, "That's great, but how do I do that?" Here is the step by step guide: 1. Create the Account Quick Template: a) Copy the following template fragment into your clipboard --- Begin Fragment --- %ACCOUNT="Connected Account" --- End Fragment --- Replace Connected Account with the account name of the account you want to use. This should be the name you see in TB in the Folder List pane. b) Options - Quick Templates - New c) Paste in the fragment (use Ctrl-V, right click won't work.) d) Give the Quick Template a name like "Account" e) Make sure "Share with Other accounts" is enabled Note: It might be wise to define all templates you will use in Quick templates. This will make all template management tasks easier in the future. 2. Include the Account Template into all your templates a) Use %QINCLUDE="Account" in your templates to include the Account quick template into the template. Note: You can include any Quick Template into any other Quick Template using the macro: %QINCLUDE="QT Handle" Just be careful to avoid creating infinite loops. 3. Change the Account QT at any time, and the change will be reflected next time you use any of your templates (ie, next time you reply). Now, this method has one drawback, your outgoing messages will be distributed in various Sent folders depending on which Account you're using. You can use Outgoing filters to sort out the mess. Again, let us know if you need help setting up this part. 2) I have multiple mail names at several of my mail accounts snip But, how do I define how to set another "From:" address when I reply to a mail from any of said inboxes. You can edit the folder properties or create templates to do this. I'm partial to templates since they can be more flexible, especially with Quick Templates. If you go the template route, the macros you're looking for are: %FROM="You [EMAIL PROTECTED]" %REPLYT0="You [EMAIL PROTECTED]" When writing a mail, I can change the "From" to any of my account names, but I can't add my other mailboxes to it. What do you mean "add my other mailboxes" ? Am I supposed to make a new mail account for each of my mail accounts That is an option since filtering can occur across accounts within TB. However, it depends on how you want the folders to be organised. With Templates and filters, you aren't *forced* to make new accounts within TB. You can accomplish this within one account. I haven't found an alternate way to make other "from" mail names. I think I answered this above. Let me know if I misunderstood. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.48f under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello Olivier, On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 at 01:38:09 GMT +0100 (which was 4:38 PM where I live) witnesses say Olivier Reubens typed: The inbox, outbox, sent... only has a "general" tab. Is it something only available in the registered version ? Inbox, outbox, Sent and Trash are system folders. They do not have all the options that other folders have. These folders use most of the account defaults only. You need to create a new folder to see the options which are being discussed. Oh, and here might be a good place to note that you should *not* remove the system folders. You should also make sure that you keep them at the same folder level as they are currently. If TB doesn't find folders with these names where it expects them, there will be errors. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.48f under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 00:03:12 +0100, Olivier wrote these words of wisdom: [..trimmed..] OR None of the Belgium ISP's however support relaying. I get OR 'Relaying Denied' messages if I try. which brings me to problem 1. OR 1) If I have received an e-mail into one of the mailboxes of an OR account which ISP I'm not connected to at the moment, I CAN OR retrieve the mail, but when replying it'll fail (relaying denied). OR I can solve this from the mail-edit window via Options, Active OR account, but I need to change it for each message. Is there a way OR to "lock" which account to use for sending messages. You could use the %Account macro in your templates. If you wish to always reply using a particular account, then in your reply template, place at the end %Account="desired account's name" Since you can define different templates for different folders, you can be very flexible and versatile and yet maintain automaticity with the %Account="" macro. OR I don't mind the originating address to mismatch the "from" OR address which they will reply to. Most aren't smart enough to OR figure out how to obtain the real originating address anyway :-) Sure. :=) You can define the from or Reply-to address on a per-folder basis and via templates as well. %FROM="" and %Replyto="" OR 2) I have multiple mail names at several of my mail accounts (ex. OR [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] When OR checking mail, I can neatly put mail for each mail name into it's own OR "inbox" (inbox sales, inbox support...) folders with a filter, haven't OR done that yet, but I guess it's easy enough. OR But, how do I define how to set another "From:" address when I reply OR to a mail from any of said inboxes. The template macros as above. Or via each folders identity settings found in each folders properties. [..rest trimmed for brevity..] - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ __ TB! v1.48h | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender and message authentication. iQA/AwUBOlUjfVfJ62ArBxfiEQIrWwCgg8tXEbOKdS50Xg3OK8W2UDpNgisAn1GK d8A1Xg2Rmj8kSRLHCFVZ7R+7 =3VJF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hi Olivier, On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 03:54:25 +0100GMT (05/01/2001, 10:54 +0800GMT), Olivier Reubens wrote: It doesn't matter what account you are using on TB, what matters is what CONNECTION you have. Choose whichever ISP is the most reliable for you to connect to, and then use that one for all SMTP. When you are logged on, it is not considered relaying. What is a problem if your connection is with ISP-1 and you try to send mail to the SMTP for ISP-2. OR Well a ruling of the ISPA (www.ispa.be) (belgium organisation OR regulating ISP's in belgium) stipulates that no SMTP server should OR have an "open" line. It is not an "open" line if you are connected to it. OR In short, ISP's are only allowed to give SMTP OR access to users that reach them from withing their own dial-ins/leased OR lines/DSL..., but not to someone connecting to it via some other OR location on the internet. That's what Abigail is saying. For example, your From address is @gmx.be, but you are logged in through @abc.be, i.e. dial in through them. Then use the SMTP serever of abc.be. That's what I doing here: look at my From address and my SMTP server in the headers. I never use the GMX SMTP server; in fact I use the same local SMTP server for all my five accounts across three countries. Relaying would be if I used an SMTP server in Germany for an account in Thailand while having dialled in through an ISP in Taiwan. If I use the SMTP server of the ISP I dial in through, it is not relaying, never mind the From address. And the recipient will reply to the Reply-To address, or if there is none or they use a non-RFC compliant mailer, to the From address. they will never know who you were logged in through, or whose SMTP server you used; as you desire. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48g under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 6:26:39 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't matter what account you are using on TB, what matters is what CONNECTION you have. Choose whichever ISP is the most reliable for you to connect to, and then use that one for all SMTP. When you are logged on, it is not considered relaying. What is a problem if your connection is with ISP-1 and you try to send mail to the SMTP for ISP-2. OR Well a ruling of the ISPA (www.ispa.be) (belgium organisation OR regulating ISP's in belgium) stipulates that no SMTP server should OR have an "open" line. TF It is not an "open" line if you are connected to it. Hmm... Didn't catch the point, could you please explain? :-) OR In short, ISP's are only allowed to give SMTP OR access to users that reach them from withing their own dial-ins/leased OR lines/DSL..., but not to someone connecting to it via some other OR location on the internet. TF That's what Abigail is saying. For example, your From address is TF @gmx.be, but you are logged in through @abc.be, i.e. dial in through TF them. Then use the SMTP serever of abc.be. That's what I doing here: TF look at my From address and my SMTP server in the headers. I never use TF the GMX SMTP server; in fact I use the same local SMTP server for all TF my five accounts across three countries. TF Relaying would be if I used an SMTP server in Germany for an account TF in Thailand while having dialled in through an ISP in Taiwan. If I use TF the SMTP server of the ISP I dial in through, it is not relaying, TF never mind the From address. Sorry, but you're wrong here. Generally, all SMTP servers are "relays". But the actual server behaviour can significantly vary. You can use ORBS, RBL, DRBL, RSS whatever databases to prevent spammers from sending your their crap, you of course should use some kind of ACL (access.db on sendmail) etc. It depends, as we say here in Russia :-). So we're speaking about so-called "third party relaying" in this thread. This relaying occurs when someone connects to a SMTP server which is serving some number of domains (the actual number doesn't matter here - it can be 1, 2...) and use the the domain _names_ not known as "local" by this server as an argument in the MAIL FROM: _and_ RCPT TO: commands. Here is the example. Imagine that one of my SMTP servers acts as a relay for the following domains: - besta.aernet.ru - schastya.net - athome.net.ru There will be no problems when sending messages to, from or across these domains. But if a client connects to this server and says EHLO hostname.client.net.ru MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] then after the last command the server would reply 550 Relaying denied because none of the domains used by this kiddie are "local" to the server. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hi John, On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:39:04 -0500GMT (05/01/2001, 12:39 +0800GMT), jdanforth1 wrote: j I don't know of any mail program that has a provision to switch j servers on an account for sending. But it's in tghe wsih list for TB. ;-) j Sorry, but that's all this newby can do (it's my first day with j this thing!) Well done, and welcome to the list. :-) PS: we don't usually quote the whole original message here, but only the parts we are replying to. Saves bandwidth. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48g under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
