Re: Outgoing attachments are also saved in Attach folder?!
Hallo Mic, On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:11:11 +0800GMT (10-7-2004, 6:11 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MIC I'm a sports journalist, and I need to file word docs to my MIC editor on the buzzer. Can I set up the Bat so I can just tell it MIC to send the email with file already attached as soon as I've MIC finished and saved the doc? No, I need to save the doc, attach it MIC and then send it. It might not seem like a lot, but when you're MIC VERY pressed for time, and using a laptop, it's a lot. I understand what you want and there are ways almost what you wish. They have to do with templates, but I suppose that won't be no problem for you. The first way is to create a QT (quick template) with the the text %Attachfile=MyPath\MyFile with MyPath\MyFile directing to the document you're editing. Call the QT 'attach' Write a nice polite mail to your editor When your mail is done (without the attach) write the word 'attach' in it, no quotes and separated from all other text with spaces Place the cursor at the end of the word 'attach' Edit your document, finisah it, save it Go to the edit mail screen with your message Press Ctrl-space (that executes the QT, as they're executed by typing their name followed by Ctrl-space) Press F2 and the message is on its way. The other way is to write a nice message to your editor and save it as a text file This way has two varieties, either you write the text as a template, with besides the necessary text also these macros: %AttachFile=MyPath\MyFile%- %To=%To='My Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED]'%- %Subject=Recent sports tournament%- Now you create a batch file With two commands saying: c:\progra~1\thebat~1\thebat.exe/mailu=MyAccount;t=MyPath\MyTemplate c:\progra~1\thebat~1\thebat.exe/send* Save the batch file to your desktop as sendnow.bat When you've finished and saved your article you double click on the sendnow icon on your desktop and everything gets executed. The other variety of the batch file way is to write a simple message to your editor, save it as text, but don't use any macros Create a batch file with a slightly more complicated first command: c:\progra~1\thebat~1\thebat.exe/mailu=MyAccount;[EMAIL PROTECTED];a=MyPath\MyFile;c=MyPath\MyMessage;s=My Tournament c:\progra~1\thebat~1\thebat.exe/send* For the rest it's the same as the first variety Note that for both of the batch files you don't need to use quotes except for those parameters that include spaces. MIC Even Agent, brain-dead as it sometimes is, allows you to do the above. TB has its own ways to enable this. MIC My point here is that everybody has different needs, and are not MIC necessarily idiots for wanting something different from someone MIC else. I've never said anything that could interpreted as that. The only thing I said was that you're an idiot when you're expecting a feature to do something else than it says. Though I didn't put it that harshly. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outgoing attachments are also saved in Attach folder?!
Hallo M, On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:36:32 +0800GMT (9-7-2004, 3:36 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MicCullen The email should note which attachments MicCullen were sent, but no more. Zonnet How would you do that? Reference by name and location? MIC Exactly. The most regular attachments I send are back-ups of a program. The directory info for those back-ups is important and since the protocols for attaching files don't handle directories, I'm archiving it with winrar and e-mail it. I do this in the explorer by selecting the directory and select in the context menu the option 'archive to whatever.rarand e-mail', now winrar creates an archive in the %temp% directory and picks TB via MAPI to attach the archive and offer me the option to put some text in the message body. When I press the send button, winrar closes and deletes the temp archive. Now according to you TB should link to a location that wouldn't be valid on the moment of sending, so whenever there were problems with the reception of the I couldn't start tracing the problem, because I'd never know whether my starting message was corrupted or not. Therefore TB has to keep records of outgoing messages and their attachments. I used Winrar in my example, but the same goes for about every program that uses MAPI to send its files. Apart from that you set an option 'Keep attached files in a separate directory ' Not 'incoming attached files' but 'al attached files'. Insert a feature request to make TB differ its behavior for incoming and outgoing attachments, but don't complain that it does exactly as it says. Zonnet Better yet, have younoticed that the copy is made the moment you attach Zonnet the file? If it is attached you can not change it anymore by changing the Zonnet original. You will have to delete it and re-attach. MIC Yeah, another complete pain. If I want Outlook behaviour, I'll use Outlook... Here you're not being very realistic either. TB (or whatever program you pick) can't read your mind. So when you say 'attach this file' it does so. It doesn't send the file as it was five minutes ago, nor the file it'll be in five minutes or ten days. No it'll send the file as it is on the moment you give the command, because that's what you said. All those other files are just what is says 'other files'. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outgoing attachments are also saved in Attach folder?!
On Friday, July 9, 2004 @ 6:26:57 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: [snips] Zonnet Better yet, have younoticed that the copy is made the moment you attach Zonnet the file? If it is attached you can not change it anymore by changing the Zonnet original. You will have to delete it and re-attach. MIC Yeah, another complete pain. If I want Outlook behaviour, I'll use Outlook... Roelof Here you're not being very realistic either. Perhaps not for your particular situation - my point is that there a lot of differing situations. Roelof TB (or whatever program Roelof you pick) can't read your mind. So when you say 'attach this file' it Roelof does so. It doesn't send the file as it was five minutes ago, nor the Well, my point is that that is *exactly* what it does. Roelof file it'll be in five minutes or ten days. No it'll send the file as Roelof it is on the moment you give the command, because that's what you Roelof said. All those other files are just what is says 'other files'. That's a bizarre interpretation. If I want it to send a particular file, I want it to send that file. Doing as you declare above makes it impossible to set the program up to be able to used quickly. Seeing as it seems that personal examples prove things beyond doubt, here's mine. I'm a sports journalist, and I need to file word docs to my editor on the buzzer. Can I set up the Bat so I can just tell it to send the email with file already attached as soon as I've finished and saved the doc? No, I need to save the doc, attach it and then send it. It might not seem like a lot, but when you're VERY pressed for time, and using a laptop, it's a lot. Even Agent, brain-dead as it sometimes is, allows you to do the above. My point here is that everybody has different needs, and are not necessarily idiots for wanting something different from someone else. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them. Caron de Beaumarchais Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outgoing attachments are also saved in Attach folder?!
On Wednesday, July 7, 2004 @ 11:11:50 PM, Zonnet wrote: [snips] MicCullen Attachments should stay exactly where they were before being Zonnet attached - ie, where I put them to begin with. Zonnet The original stay were it was and a copy of the send attachment is stored Zonnet by the BAT. Yes, annoying. MicCullen The email should note which attachments were sent, but no more. Zonnet How would you do that? Reference by name and location? Exactly. Zonnet But what if I make changes in a spreadsheet. I can never verify what I Zonnet have send anymore. Save versions, which surely should be the responsibility of the person wanting to refer to old versions, not the responsibility of the method for sending it. Zonnet Better yet, have younoticed that the copy is made the moment you attach Zonnet the file? If it is attached you can not change it anymore by changing the Zonnet original. You will have to delete it and re-attach. Yeah, another complete pain. If I want Outlook behaviour, I'll use Outlook... -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) I love being married. It's so great to find that one special person you want to annoy for the rest of your life. Rita Rudner Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outgoing attachments are also saved in Attach folder?!
Hello Mic, On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:54:03 +0800GMT(07.07.2004, 00:54 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Roelof The only way this is possible is by having a copy somewhere. Therefore Roelof just as TB saves the messages it sent, it also saves the attachments Roelof it sent. Anything else wouldn't be acceptable. Attachments should stay exactly where they were before being attached - ie, where I put them to begin with. The email should note which attachments were sent, but no more. I cannot agree. I'm using Outlook for work and it behaves the same as TB. The message sent is saved completely. This enables me to verify which version of a file was sent at a certain date. Helpful when you deal with files that are changed continuously. -- Kind Regards :Feli: The Bat! 2.12 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outgoing attachments are also saved in Attach folder?!
Hallo Mic, Mic to Roelof: the bottom line is that it's a really bizarre behaviour for an email client to have. Thank you for your support. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw all the attachments I myself had sent stored in Attach. Attachments should stay exactly where they were before being attached - ie, where I put them to begin with. The email should note which attachments were sent, but no more. I completely agree. -- Best regards, Britt Henrikson Using TB! 2.10.03 on Win2000 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outgoing attachments are also saved in Attach folder?!
ON Wednesday, July 7, 2004, 12:54:03 AM, you wrote: MicCullen Attachments should stay exactly where they were before being attached - ie, where I put them to begin with. The original stay were it was and a copy of the send attachment is stored by the BAT. MicCullen The email should note which attachments were sent, but no more. How would you do that? Reference by name and location? But what if I make changes in a spreadsheet. I can never verify what I have send anymore. Better yet, have younoticed that the copy is made the moment you attach the file? If it is attached you can not change it anymore by changing the original. You will have to delete it and re-attach. To me it makes perfect sense :-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= What a shame to waste those great shots on the practice tee. Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outgoing attachments are also saved in Attach folder?!
Hallo Britt, On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:46:31 +0200GMT (6-7-2004, 14:46 +0200, where I live), you wrote: BH But all the attachments that I myself send are also saved in that BH folder?! I don't want them there, I have them elsewhere on my PC, BH and I don't see why TB should save them on the hard disk at all. That's easily explained. Suppose you're collecting stamps and you've got a list with stamps you're looking for. You send that list to a friend, meanwhile you add stamps to your collection and delete them from your list. Some time later you'd like to check how many changes you've made to the list you sent in order to decide whether you should post a new one. The only way this is possible is by having a copy somewhere. Therefore just as TB saves the messages it sent, it also saves the attachments it sent. Anything else wouldn't be acceptable. BH Is there a way to turn this feature off? No. However there is a work around. Create an outgoing fiter. Check for '.' in kludges (or anything else that always matches) At the 'advanced' tab: check 'message has attachments' At the 'options' tab: check 'continue processing with other filters' At the 'actions' tab: Export message to file Select a file called 'getrid.bat' in your attachments directory (You might need to create the file first) Check 'overwrite existing file' Export as text Set the export template filter to this single line: del %Attachments Now you also choose the next action: Run external command Browse for (and select) the getrid.bat file in your attachments directory This will get rid of your sent attachments except when you're sending multiple attachments with one message. As a general rule that's a bad habit, so this will force you to behave properly and send one file per message. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outgoing attachments are also saved in Attach folder?! - thanks!
Hi again Roelof, Suppose you're collecting stamps and you've got a list with stamps you're looking for. You send that list to a friend, meanwhile you add stamps to your collection and delete them from your list. Some time later you'd like to check how many changes you've made to the list you sent in order to decide whether you should post a new one. The only way this is possible is by having a copy somewhere. That's exactly my point: I have a copy of it *myself*, TB doesn't have to create one for me. Therefore just as TB saves the messages it sent, it also saves the attachments it sent. Anything else wouldn't be acceptable. Well, it *is* acceptable in other mail clients. TB is the only one I've tried that does this. However there is a work around. Thanks very much for your long and detailed explanation! I'll try the method out when I have more time. Until then, I'll just continue to open the Attach folder and manually delete my own attachments. At least I know now that there isn't anywhere I can just easily turn this function off. -- Best regards, Britt Henrikson Using TB! 2.10.03 on Win2000 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outgoing attachments are also saved in Attach folder?!
On Wednesday, July 7, 2004 @ 12:09:29 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: [snips] BH But all the attachments that I myself send are also saved in that BH folder?! I don't want them there, I have them elsewhere on my PC, BH and I don't see why TB should save them on the hard disk at all. Roelof That's easily explained. Suppose you're collecting stamps and you've Roelof got a list with stamps you're looking for. You send that list to a Roelof friend, meanwhile you add stamps to your collection and delete them Roelof from your list. Roelof Some time later you'd like to check how many changes you've made to Roelof the list you sent in order to decide whether you should post a new Roelof one. Roelof The only way this is possible is by having a copy somewhere. Therefore Roelof just as TB saves the messages it sent, it also saves the attachments Roelof it sent. Anything else wouldn't be acceptable. Roelof, that's a terrific explanation, but the bottom line is that it's a really bizarre behaviour for an email client to have. Keeping a list of stamps and making a copy of them is completely different. Attachments should stay exactly where they were before being attached - ie, where I put them to begin with. The email should note which attachments were sent, but no more. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) The Coors beer slogan used in the USA Get loose with Coors, became, Get the runs with Coors upon translation into Spanish. They decided to go with a different slogan. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
