Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
Hello Allie, On Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 08:21:39 -0500, you wrote concerning 'The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library': ... > I learnt the hard way when I provided the mailto link for my PGP > public key. :( Oh that's probably the reason that I receive spam on my mailinglist-only addresses and even tbudlist-only addresses. :( I always wondered why I received spam on this addresses. Until a few months ago I used to sign my messages too with PGP and I also provided my mailto link in the PGP signature. I think I'll remove it right away. -- Best regards, David ** The mind is the standard of the man. ** [TB! 1.61] [Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marck D Pearlstone [MDP] wrote:' MDP> This site advised the use of addresses in the attribution line. I MDP> recommend that you *don't* follow this advice. With messages MDP> appearing in web based archives, it won't be long before the MDP> address is sucked up by an address harvest-bot and that person's MDP> spam exposure is back in the "extreme" list. You took these words right out of my mouth. I intended to write an adendum to my original comments on the page concerning this issue of including e-mail addresses in the message body. I learnt the hard way when I provided the mailto link for my PGP public key. :( - -- Cheers, | List Moderator Allie C Martin | TB! v1.62/Beta1 | Windows XP Pro ..:.. PGP/GPG Key: http://pub-key.ac-martin.com ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE9VmTjV8nrYCsHF+IRAmg/AKD0O5mQSSX/srHYiagQmwlyBwYwSACg0c/P JuTIa751o6iEYWcA7uikCek= =YIwB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paul, @11 August 2002, 08:39 -0400 (13:39 UK time) Paul Cartwright [PC] said to Marck D Pearlstone: MDP>> For the same reason, it's also a good idea to modify TB's MDP>> default templates to remove your email address from the MDP>> signature area. PC> maybe they shouldn't be in the templates to begin with ? Well, it is the *minority* of users that involve themselves in discussion lists with on-line archives or whose emails end up posted somewhere on the web. In that context, signatures containing email addresses are safe and sound. I was addressing my remarks to a closed audience who *are* in that minority. Should they be in the default templates? Probably not. The problem with changing defaults mid-stream is that there are behavioural expectations - existing users expect their new account templates to have a certain format and content and may not be pleased by so fundamental a change. Version 2 is another story though and I intend to campaign for a change there. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9VmE5OeQkq5KdzaARAgqlAKCjBmtlWwxD+NCYevvrCMh+TrkanQCg9hua JkAW1goQuCYpd6Q9KA1f9jE= =8FDd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Urban Ek [UE] wrote:' UE> For those seeking advice and/or inspiration, Sven Guckes has a UE> couple of nice pages: UE> http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/elm.sig.etiquette.html Good information. UE> http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/faq/attribution.html Again, a nice resource though I can't agree with the mid link in the context of this list. TB! *can* use the mid links to find the original message for the user. The user just clicks on it. This isn't the same with the examples and clients that he sited. - -- Cheers, | List Moderator Allie C Martin | TB! v1.62/Beta1 | Windows XP Pro ..:.. PGP/GPG Key: http://pub-key.ac-martin.com ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE9VlyuV8nrYCsHF+IRAn+GAJ9EZjp+3AjGQUPR8nAOz4DzWmQ1bACdHjYL PReTOqGeLEMqqRT+Z2Cv3Fs= =jVr8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
On Sunday, August 11, 2002, 7:18 AM, you wrote: MDP> For the same reason, it's also a good idea to modify TB's default MDP> templates to remove your email address from the signature area. maybe they shouldn't be in the templates to begin with ?I never thought about that before, but I surely agree with you and I removed MY EMAIL from those templates in all my accounts. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Urban, @11 August 2002, 03:17 +0200 (02:17 UK time) Urban Ek [UE] said to Allie C Martin: E> http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/faq/attribution.html This site advised the use of addresses in the attribution line. I recommend that you *don't* follow this advice. With messages appearing in web based archives, it won't be long before the address is sucked up by an address harvest-bot and that person's spam exposure is back in the "extreme" list. For the same reason, it's also a good idea to modify TB's default templates to remove your email address from the signature area. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9VkfwOeQkq5KdzaARAu6rAJ9P1YR+eo870x/AnsbO2VxRwUKtKgCfY3uV t4AGeCRDLj+YnGPo4Boiavk= =zdTM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
Saturday, August 10, 2002, Allie C Martin wrote: > There are restrictions on overly long signatures, i.e., the 4-6 line > limit. I guess there must be some discretion exercised with the > excessive salutations with every message to the list. For those seeking advice and/or inspiration, Sven Guckes has a couple of nice pages: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/elm.sig.etiquette.html http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/faq/attribution.html -- Urban Ek, happily swinging to "Värttinä - Sanat" Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
Good evening Dwight, It was foretold that on 10-8-2002 @ 16:17:41 GMT-0500 (which was 23:17:41 where I live) Dwight A Corrin wrote and spread these wise comments on "The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library": DAC> I'm guessing he means it's too long, it's redundant, and causes one to DAC> not read it at all. Why does it need to have the subject when the DAC> subject line is right there. Well, i got that from the posts on this list when i joined. Since nobody had taken offence to those and neither (untill today) to my using it, i thought it was no big deal. DAC> ? Do you change the header when you are replying because someone said DAC> something really stupid? Most of the time i don't reply to stupid things ;-) -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.61 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 and using the best browser: Opera. "If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?" Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
Good evening Luc, It was foretold that on 10-8-2002 @ 23:10:05 GMT+0200 (which was 23:10:05 where I live) Luc wrote and spread these wise comments on "The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library": L> What do you mean Allie? Aahh, got ya. You mean in my replies. Well, actually, i got the inspiration from the posts on this list ;-) -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.61 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 and using the best browser: Opera. "EGOTIST: A manwho is always "me deep" in conversation." Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
On Saturday, August 10, 2002, 4:10:05 PM, Luc wrote: > What do you mean Allie? I'm guessing he means it's too long, it's redundant, and causes one to not read it at all. Why does it need to have the subject when the subject line is right there. What's wrong with just passing the necessary information instead of all the filigree and empty compliments. Are the remarks to which you reply always > wise comments ? Do you change the header when you are replying because someone said something really stupid? -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60i on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
Good evening Allie, It was foretold that on 10-8-2002 @ 10:52:58 GMT-0500 (which was 17:52:58 where I live) Allie C Martin wrote and spread these wise comments on "The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library": ACM> What does get my attention is your amazingly long introductory ACM> statement. What do you mean Allie? -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.61 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 and using the best browser: Opera. "Ignorance, forgetfulness, or contempt of the rights of man are the only causes of public misfortunes and of the corruption of governments." - Declaration of the Rights of Man - French National Assembly 1789 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
Good evening Roelof, It was foretold that on 10-8-2002 @ 18:01:35 GMT+0200 (which was 18:01:35 where I live) Roelof Otten wrote and spread these wise comments on "The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library": RO> But I've got a slight problem with your message stating 'Good RO> evening' while it isn't 18:00 yet, so technically it's still RO> afternoon. Oops, technical a problem indeed. I'll change my QT (have 17 instead of 18 for the "evening" bit. -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.61 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 and using the best browser: Opera. "Always try to drive so that your license will expire before you do." Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:52:58 -0500 Allie C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What does get my attention is your amazingly long introductory > statement. It's like a paragraph. I agree ;-) > Me thinks that's going a tad overboard, especially in the interest of > our recurring theme of avoiding unnecessary bandwidth wastage. My point is not bandwidth waste, but because no "greetings delimiter" available ...but I am glad "selective reply" features already available in TB! :-)` -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
Hallo Luc, On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:24:35 +0200GMT (10-8-02, 17:24 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: L> Good evening Sudip, L> SP>> Just a suggestion that it's not considered an apt netiquette to use SP>> greetings such as good afternoon, evening, etc. because of various SP>> time zones email traverses. L> Well, that's the first time i get that suggestion. Any one else L> having problems with it on the list? I'm happy to oblige. Problems? No. After all you're in the same time zone as I am. ;-) But I've got a slight problem with your message stating 'Good evening' while it isn't 18:00 yet, so technically it's still afternoon. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Luc [L] wrote: L> Well, that's the first time i get that suggestion. Any one else L> having problems with it on the list? I'm happy to oblige. It doesn't really matter either way to me. What does get my attention is your amazingly long introductory statement. It's like a paragraph. Me thinks that's going a tad overboard, especially in the interest of our recurring theme of avoiding unnecessary bandwidth wastage. Not to mention poor Miguel having to wade through it to find the real reply text. I'm here shaking my head in awesome wonder. ;) But that's just me. I'm not making any moderatorial declarations. There are restrictions on overly long signatures, i.e., the 4-6 line limit. I guess there must be some discretion exercised with the excessive salutations with every message to the list. I do agree that it can be entertaining with private messages. - -- Cheers, | List Moderator Allie C Martin | TB! v1.62/Beta1 | Windows XP Pro ..:.. PGP/GPG Key: http://pubkey.ac-martin.com ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE9VTbbV8nrYCsHF+IRAhM7AKCWtq/hXG5Wk4dH84BQpxk2xhMc2ACeIWbn WcgPWey13uw4WOHvGd/43PU= =kPwh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Luc, @10 August 2002, 15:15 +0200 (14:15 UK time) Luc [L] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Has anyone else experienced this? Just checked it and it's working fine. For the edification of the other members here present I shall formerly announce the presence of the new Library in a separate posting. Hitherto it has only been discussed on TBTECH. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9VTVgOeQkq5KdzaARAjucAKCvPC+TBvLd4oB976UTR91yqUUN7gCdF4QB C/+F4XdMc832E16+WAIavlw= =oNWE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
Good evening Sudip, It was foretold that on 10-8-2002 @ 20:54:19 GMT+0545 (which was 17:09:19 where I live) Sudip Pokhrel wrote and spread these wise comments on "The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library": SP> Just a suggestion that it's not considered an apt netiquette to use SP> greetings such as good afternoon, evening, etc. because of various SP> time zones email traverses. Well, that's the first time i get that suggestion. Any one else having problems with it on the list? I'm happy to oblige. -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.61 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 and using the best browser: Opera. "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde (1854-1900). Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:54:19 +0545 Sudip Pokhrel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just a suggestion that it's not considered an apt netiquette to use > greetings such as good afternoon, evening, etc. because of various > time zones email traverses. You wrote this message from Belgium at > 3:15 afternoon, which is 7 in the evening here and 9:15 morning in New > York ! But if you read or replied it tomorrow afternoon, it should be match your local time ;-) -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
Hi Luc, On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:15:44 +0200 GMT (Aug 10, 19:00 my local time), you [L] wrote: L> Good afternoon list Just a suggestion that it's not considered an apt netiquette to use greetings such as good afternoon, evening, etc. because of various time zones email traverses. You wrote this message from Belgium at 3:15 afternoon, which is 7 in the evening here and 9:15 morning in New York ! -- Cheers,Sudip Pokhrel Sudip Kathmandu-NP. PGP Key ID: 0xD93F5185 /Attachments/ http://pgpkeys.mit.edu <> TB! v1.61 -- XP Pro 5.1 | P4-1.6GHz 256MB _.. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
Hi Luc, @Saturday, August 10, 2002, 15:15 +0200 (9:15 AM here) Luc [L] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: L> I implemented the ReWrap template posted on the site by Marck. L> Unfortunately, upon tetsing it, it frozes up TB! Has anyone else L> experienced this? No. I use it in my attribution line above (which Marck so graciously helped me with) and it works fine. -- Regards, Ron Secord Using TB! v1.62/Beta1 Under Win 2K (SP2) Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
