Re[2]: Compressing/Purging folder window

[tracer]

Monday, December 13, 1999

Hello Paula,

Monday, Monday, December 13, 1999, you wrote:

Paula> On Saturday, December 11, 1999, tracer wrote:

>> As far as I am concerned any menu SHOULD have a cancel button.
>> Just in case one wants to stop a process the program should provide a
>> way to do that (without pressing the powerswitch on the modem!!)

Paula> Normally, I agree, but cancelling out of the purging of a database can
Paula> be a very tricky business.
ok, exceptions always exist...
On the other hand if the process is well written, it shouldnt destroy
the original database before the purge is succesfully done.
I cannot imagine anyone writing a database program  doing a purge on
the real data  which is stored. If it does I would recommend getting
another program because is you crash



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Re[2]: Compressing/Purging folder window

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi Paula Ford,

On Montag, 13. Dezember 1999 at 9:41:26 you wrote:

PF> On Monday, December 13, 1999, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

PF>>> Normally, I agree, but cancelling out of the purging of a database
PF>>> can be a very tricky business.

>> That may be. So, how about this: when you hit the Cancel button, the
>> current purge will still be performed and the "cancel" effective right
>> after?

PF> The original posters didn't want to wait for the purging to end. That
PF> was the point. :)

I'm the original poster and that isn't quite true ;) I had the purging
configured  to  run  automatically  at program end, but as it took too
much  time,  I  switched  it  off again. I don't really care, as I can
easily  start  the process manually every one or two days. My question
was  just whether there is any rational explanation of why the process
window  has  to be system modal (above all other windows), which keeps
me from continuing to work with other programs.


As to the difficulty of stopping the process... Some arguments:

1) I can even stop the defragmenting of my disc nowadays.
2) I hope there is some mechanism in the purging process that protects
   me  from complete data loss in the event my computer crashes during
   the  process.  Maybe  there isn't, but then there should definitely
   be,  given  the amount of time the process takes. So this mechanism
   could be used to make cancel the process anytime, too.

Oliver Sturm

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Re[2]: Compressing/Purging folder window

[Roel]

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Hello Paula,

PF> Normally, I agree, but cancelling out of the purging of a database can
PF> be a very tricky business.

easily solved & error-free:
use a temporary file, if no cancel occurs => delete the original one &
rename the temporary one...

further: if your pc freezes during the clean-up, you won't have any
problem... (except for a non-cleaned folder that is...)


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Re[2]: Compressing/Purging folder window

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Paula,

on Monday, December 13, 1999, 4:41:26 PM GMT+0800, Paula Ford wrote:

PF>>> Normally, I agree, but cancelling out of the purging of a database
PF>>> can be a very tricky business.

>> That may be. So, how about this: when you hit the Cancel button, the
>> current purge will still be performed and the "cancel" effective right
>> after?

PF> The original posters didn't want to wait for the purging to end. That
PF> was the point. :)

I don't think you use the purging facility of TB.  Each folder
purging takes a long time. So if I cancel now and then only this
folder will be purged instead of the other 27 folders as well, it
would already help tremendously.

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Re[2]: Compressing/Purging folder window

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Paula,

on Monday, December 13, 1999, 1:20:51 PM GMT+0800, Paula Ford wrote:

>> As far as I am concerned any menu SHOULD have a cancel button.
>> Just in case one wants to stop a process the program should provide a
>> way to do that (without pressing the powerswitch on the modem!!)

PF> Normally, I agree, but cancelling out of the purging of a database can
PF> be a very tricky business.

That may be. So, how about this: when you hit the Cancel button, the
current purge will still be performed and the "cancel" effective right
after?

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Re[2]: Compressing/Purging folder window

[Alexander Drunin]

Hi all!

TF> Furthermore, the "cleaning up" (purging and compressing folders) takes
TF> ages (sometimes 10-15 minutes). Does that have to be so slow?

Even in case when some folder has just been compressed, deleting single message
and recompessing seems to be a function of a number of messages in the folder -
and I am afraid, not linear.

Well, it looks like a common scale-up problem for app' efficiency. We want to
introduce some functionality, so we implement it in a way that it works somehow,
not the best or fastest way -- but works. After customers've become outraged by
app's results in theirs particular conditions, much stronger than developer's
ones - developers start to think what to do.

It is normal for any software development process - but in the case of RIT we
have rather large quality assurance team - that list for releases and TBBETA for
betas (though releases often looks like GA).

Linux testing looks like that -- but it is a very different domain and bugs like
one described by Thomas are fixed faster, even if fix requires re-design.

Let's wait for TB! 2 - I wish TB! all the best!




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Re[2]: Compressing/Purging folder window

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Christopher,

On Saturday, December 11, 1999, 6:30:34 AM (GMT+0800), Christopher J. Trybowski wrote:

>> I agree with you, it shouldn't stay always-on-top.

>> Furthermore, the "cleaning up" (purging and compressing folders) takes
>> ages (sometimes 10-15 minutes). Does that have to be so slow?

CJT>  Agree,  and  have  to add one thing: could it have "cancel" button? I
CJT>  have cleaning up configured to run on exit, but sometimes I just want
CJT>  to quickly restart TB...

Yes, I'm missing the Cancel button as well. I switch a lot between
applications, and when I want to close one or the other, I sometimes
close the wrong one - out of unimitable stupidity, sure, but it does
happen. If that happens with, say, Excel, it's no big deal, but TB
will "boot down" for a quarter of a century before I can restart it.
:-(

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