Re[2]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
On Sunday, September 17, 2000, 11:12:31 PM, you wrote: TF Wait a minute. Whether I get a link sent to me whcih points to a file TF or I get the file as an email attachment, is the same security risk: TF either I click on it or not. I thought you were advocating sending a 'hollow' message with only a link, then TB AUTOMATICALLY gets the content and opens/executes it with no operator intervention. This would make it look to the operator as though the link were the message. Convenient and transparent, but a hazard. As long as the viewer knows that it is a download and can intervene, it is essentially the same as what TB does now. Not a problem. TF Only, with the FTP, I have to download (duplicate) it onto my TF designated drive first. Best for checking the file. TF No, the link idea is good. I have never seen it work, but I like it TF and see no special security reasons to forbid it. As long as it is not opened/executed automatically. Probably was not as clear as I could have been on the objection. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Curtis! Saturday, September 16, 2000, 11:45:22 PM, you wrote: E-mail has little to do with survival. It has more to do with a convenient way of corresponding. Although, mind you, society is getting sophisticated to the point where e-mail is considered a need for 'survival' as things are now. :-) As you presumedly guessed my comment was mainly ironic. Since I am subscribed to more than one mailing list - and one of them is for Fortes Agent - this discussion tends to come up every two days. And no one seems to see the futility of exchanging the same (individualistic) arguments over and over again. I myself use the HTML viewer as default for some newsletters. And they actually *are* easier to read and use (they use a TOC with links to the news, where one finds another link to the homepage, use it or not). The technical problems I described BTW stand - and you did not argue against them. What also stands are my arguments about misuse, which you supported. Rather sadly I receive especially at work a lot of e-mail as HTML without any sense. You will remember that I made it into a joke the last time this theme came up: We standardly use in our agency OE. Every mail sent is totally unformatted but comes in HTML - sometimes the whole message is already contained in the subject header. One good thing is that we can send links for documents on a remote hard drive to someone, who can then just double click it to open the doc. You will find a request by me in the archives if this feature can be put into TB! since links send with it are just files with no use. Oh yes, one more thing, I sometimes send HTML e-cards ... ;-). - -- Using The Bat! 1.46 under Windows 95 4.0 Build 1212 C Dierk Haasis The great tragedy of science - the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. (T.H. Huxley) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOcS3Y/To1oA8g8dLEQIm7QCZAd4x61MCXRR2hU0i0a9r44oQCn8AnRyk nUm9/iPewLveb2tVVF/AQoyc =vM9x -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! Sunday, September 17, 2000, 5:44:58 PM, you wrote: Links as in hyperlinks? Is an HTTP seerver a remote drive? I mean, you can place a URL into a TB text message, like this: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com, and it's clickable. Or do you mean something else? No. Links as in Windows 9x. The company I write for wants us to send just links to documents and not the documents itself to hold net traffic down (good idea). With OE and Outlook you can choose to "Send file as link" when you attach it. It becomes a link file (extension lnk) just like the links on a Windows desktop. Quite a nice feature. Problem with TB!: It is handled just as another file, if you double click it, it does not do anything since it is actually just a dummy file (May be there comes a message telling me that there is no programme associated, I can't remember.). - -- Using The Bat! 1.46 under Windows 95 4.0 Build 1212 C Dierk Haasis Wenn man arbeitet, hat man keine Zeit, Geld zu verdienen. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOcT4KfTo1oA8g8dLEQLR5QCgw2FsX8fpVMNCz0Q1HAqjQicXdqcAoJOx X2bygyEKhdkimKik+mFF0af3 =/qkV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! Saturday, September 16, 2000, 6:39:08 AM, you wrote: Spare me. :-( Even if I had an email client who could read this, I would not want to receive any emails with Flash components. For all those who support the idea of HTML in e-mail: With it the possibility exists to incorporate things like Flash, MPEG other multimedia crap (sorry) and even orders to open up external programs. Isn't it funny that most people are happy with OE/IE/NN and are always wondering why there are so many security holes? And - to round out my Flash statement from before - why should we stop at HTML? Why not DHTML, XML or even ActiveX for e-mail? Can anybody tell me how humans survived so long without all this - on normal paper with nothing else but a pen or pencil? Has anybody ever thought why the basics of the Latin/Greek alphabet are so successful all over the world while picture based "alphabet" are relatively few and not widespread? Just look in a good linguistics book and the possibilities of the symbolic representation (as in letter based alphabets) become obvious. One for the road, it is very easy to highlight words in plain text, either by style (that is especially word order) or by symbols like * or ". - -- Using The Bat! 1.46 under Windows 95 4.0 Build 1212 C Dierk Haasis America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization. (Georges Clemeceau) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOcOxx/To1oA8g8dLEQIWQACgwP8/jsZ4bisMEV+YGsTcGs79l2UAmQFI H/bOX7io4VJjjKw3TJmRRC96 =LIxw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
Hello Thomas, Thursday, September 14, 2000, 11:41:45 PM, you wrote: TF Email is a medium to communicate facts and ideas. A presentation is a TF sales tool. See: Powerpoint. See: Powerpoint or SPAM. The majority of the SPAM I get is in HTML. That makes it easier to filter. All my personal mail is in plaintext. -- Cheers, Cricket EMAIL - when it absolutely positively has to get lost at the speed of light. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
Hello Steve, Thursday, September 14, 2000, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote: SL On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 12:55:09PM -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote: And why shouldnt email be presentable? SL Email /is/ presentable. It doesn't need HTML for that. Who says? Who is the leading authority on what email needs or doesn't need? What is it about HTML that scares people so much. SL The fact there is no standard for displaying it, what standard does exist SL is for browsers and no two browsers display correctly. True .. there is no 'definitive' standard. But 99% of HTML (not dhtml, xhtml etc) is compatible. SL On top of that 99% of the time it is completely annoying because SL it overrides how /I/ like to see my mail. I don't want to see it SL in someone else's preferences, I want to see it in mine. I'm not sure what this means. Do you mean if i write a letter and format it as i desire (using regular underline, bold etc) the Having the ability to send a message to our users with a toc at the beginning of the note and links to other spots in the note is a great feature. SL Search does that just fine. So is USPD but .. SL Please, why do people insist on trotting out this tripe? It is the top SL /NOW/ because it works nicely as an email /CLIENT/, not as a browser, not as SL an html page editor. Tripe .. that's a fish isn't it? -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 12:55:09 PM, you wrote: DTS What is it about HTML that DTS scares people so much. Doesn't scare me at all - just a PITA :-). DTS It does not mean that I could put a jscript in DTS a message and nuke your system (well unless you run a windows product DTS :-). Security is a big issue for me - hard to put something bad in just text :-). Can't wait for all the new extensions - neither can the hacker kid down the streetg. DTS I cant understand the bandwidth argument. I store messages of interest in a data base. Adding 12,000 bytes to a 970 byte message (the REAL content) takes up a lot of space. DTS Having the ability to send a message to our users with a toc at the DTS beginning of the note and links to other spots in the note is a great DTS feature. Why not put in a link as text - works OK. DTS So why not just have it optional. Do you think that because some TB DTS users don't like HTML it will stop? Of course not - there are way too many people who value flash over content. Besides, as we dumb-down the population, the pictures will become even more important :-). "Mommy, what's a book?" DTS Isn't going to happen. AND if you want TB to be successful and always DTS be at the top of the reviews it will be an important add-on. If you want flash, get another product. I abandoned them to get TB because it concentrates on things relating to CONTENT, not 'flash'. Keep improving that, and keep security in mind, and it will be an even better product. DTS In fact DTS .. maybe it could be a add-on. I'd rather the developers concentrate on things relating to CONTENT, not 'flash'. No bloatware, please. DTS I do have one question though. When email started there was no bold, DTS underline etc. Should these simple features be removed? Naaahhh - just use *this* for emphasis :-). I take it you understand what that means, no? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
